Clan Guide Discussion

[Unhit]

Yay. Cool. Good idea, and thanks also to Labratkid :)

[Chiyu]

Oh by the way in case you didn't know, Anakin lost his JJ2 GameLeadership a few weeks ago. Vegito's the new gameleader with Scare(crow) as vice.

[R3ptile]

I'll update it, thanks.

Edit: Updated.

[Unhit]

Heh btw the comment on TF rocks =P
And I'm active!!!! :p

[Tubz]

This is good, very good, nice work :D.

[Enigma]

Please add my fellow vice-<s>tyrant</s>leader Flash to the TF leadership.

[$tilettø]

sure you are unhit, .. at wc3 that is =p

this is nice. =)

[ChavRashGPW]

Dude, get your facts right. "Can I join GpW???" is rejected, every request will be rejected, its simple - we invite. And currently we DONT recruit. Members are requesting a new war-team, but so far there are no plans for that. If we do decide to fight in clanwars, we would need a couple of new members, but currently we dont.

Thats all, thanks.

[DoubleGJ]

http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/

[cooba]

http://www.jsz-clan.republika.pl/
hppt\\www.clan[ClaN].jaz2websit.geocity.omg

[DoubleGJ]

OK, what for did you post this?

[cooba]

Radium's clan entitled [ClaN] is open for new members, that's why.

And, to join [si], you have to beat BlurredD at least 10-1 in Semi. I know few nu who did not read [si] rules, and asked:
*this is taken from a play on a server yesterday*

DarkPlant RF : blur si tryout?
(silence)
DarkPlant RF : blur
DarkPlant RF : si tryout
Blur [si] : Read rule #7.
(some time passes)
DarkPlant RF : blur
DarkPlant RF : si tryout
DarkPlant RF : ?
Blur [si] : Read rule #7.

And so on...
(if you don't see purpose of this post, I posted it because R3p did not say about test.)

[MaGoo]

I'm not on that much anymore, but I'm still more active than a few of the DM members you mentioned.

[R3ptile]

Oh, sorry. Just forgot you.

[Strato]

You forgot [MT] and [ClaN]

[Unhit]

I doubt Reptile would forget MT. Hehe :P

[Tubz]

Dude, get your facts right. "Can I join GpW???" is rejected, every request will be rejected, its simple - we invite. And currently we DONT recruit. Members are requesting a new war-team, but so far there are no plans for that. If we do decide to fight in clanwars, we would need a couple of new members, but currently we dont.

Thats all, thanks.

Just curious, who is the newest member of GPW, and when did he join (Month, Year)?

[R3ptile]

Tublear: Although I'm not sure, I guess ChavRash is their newest member. He joined a while ago and already count himself as one of the oldies, or something. =P

Strato: Come on, [Clan] doesn't really exist. I didn't forget [MT], I just don't list it because of my own reasons.

[ChavRashGPW]

For the second time R3ptile 8D, get your facts right. I've been in GPW for like 6 months (Jan/Feb 2004). Why did I join? Because I wanted to, and met the requirements. And I'm not the newest member, I know that me and snooz joined then, although I applied before, and Ninja rejoined after, which still counts as a new member, alot of things happened and Im sure I'm not the newest member.

So please just confirm your information with a GPW member if it's to do with the clan, before posting your "pretty sure" 'facts'.

*EDIT: Oh and about the oldies... Im not a oldie, although I've been playing Jazz for sometime now, I still do not count as a GPW oldie, and I still have a long way to go, but Im just proud that Im in GpW. ;)

I hope thats all. Thank you. ;)

[R3ptile]

You are the newest member, since Snooze left. Who is newer than you?

[R3ptile]

Radium's clan entitled [ClaN] is open for new members, that's why.

And, to join [si], you have to beat BlurredD at least 10-1 in Semi. I know few nu who did not read [si] rules, and asked:
*this is taken from a play on a server yesterday*

DarkPlant RF : blur si tryout?
(silence)
DarkPlant RF : blur
DarkPlant RF : si tryout
Blur [si] : Read rule #7.
(some time passes)
DarkPlant RF : blur
DarkPlant RF : si tryout
DarkPlant RF : ?
Blur [si] : Read rule #7.

And so on...
(if you don't see purpose of this post, I posted it because R3p did not say about test.)
Blur was kidding, I guess. Anyway, that guy also wanna join [MT]. :lol:

[ChavRashGPW]

Just because SnooZe left doesnt mean I'm newest... Ninja rejoined and left, Newspaz rejoined (Though still before), So if Gummi, Shadow, Pyro, Superjazz, and the oldies leave, I become a oldie? I dont think so. ;)

[R3ptile]

You are the newest member, aren't you?

[ChavRashGPW]

How deep do I have to explain to you for you to understand? Im not the newest member, unless you exclude rejoiners and leavers. :-)

[cooba]

Anyway, that guy also wanna join [MT].:lol:Now, he uses XSD tag again and says:
*server chat ripoff again*

Cooba : Change your tag
Error XSD : no
Error XSD : xsd is back again
Cooba : ?
Error XSD : jippo is a leader now
Error XSD : me and jippo are coleaders
Cooba : yes, sure.
Error XSD : xsd is back

...I'm not sure that is he right or he lies.

[ChavRashGPW]

Now, he uses XSD tag again and says:
*server chat ripoff again*

Cooba : Change your tag
Error XSD : no
Error XSD : xsd is back again
Cooba : ?
Error XSD : jippo is a leader now
Error XSD : me and jippo are coleaders
Cooba : yes, sure.
Error XSD : xsd is back

...I'm not sure that is he right or he lies.

Ok I've confirmed it with senior XSD'ers, including Jippo, and they confirm that the information above ("XSD is back", "Me and Jippo are co-leaders") is FALSE. So he's lying. ;)

[cooba]

Ok I've confirmed it with senior XSD'ers, including Jippo, and they confirm that the information above ("XSD is back", "Me and Jippo are co-leaders") is FALSE. So he's lying. ;)Guess what?

Cooba : Genesis, you lie.
Error XSD : why i lie?
Cooba : Chavrash and Jippo confirm that XSD is not back.
Error XSD : ah
Error XSD : cooba off
(ban.)

[$tilettø]

hmmz, he told me that he is in TF. but just uses the XSD tag, oh and btw.. all of this guide isnt true.. this is just the opinion of one guy, ( reptile ) .

still nice tho ! yet false. cc isnt even the most active clan for example.

[cooba]

Aren't you TF, or you weared false tag?

I agree, though.

[ChavRashGPW]

hmmz, he told me that he is in TF. but just uses the XSD tag, oh and btw.. all of this guide isnt true.. this is just the opinion of one guy, ( reptile ) .

still nice tho ! yet false. cc isnt even the most active clan for example.

Good man Stiletto - "just the opinion of one guy, ( reptile )". Highly agreed. ;)

[$n00z]

Ehm. XSD is not back, and i don't think this guy "ErroR" or whatever can bring it back without one of the leaders. ;|

[ChavRashGPW]

Ehm. XSD is not back, and i don't think this guy "ErroR" or whatever can bring it back without one of the leaders. ;|

Indeed, and nice signature. ;)

[R3ptile]

hmmz, he told me that he is in TF. but just uses the XSD tag, oh and btw.. all of this guide isnt true.. this is just the opinion of one guy, ( reptile ) .

still nice tho ! yet false. cc isnt even the most active clan for example.
It was, two weeks ago. Now half of them left and another half doesn't play anymore.

[Sasik]

I don’t know why you forgot VS in your Clan Guide >_< We are more active than majority clans from here. Don’t you know us ? We are the best polish clan :P Here is our website:
<a href="http://www.vs-clan.prv.pl" target="_blank">http://www.vs-clan.prv.pl</a>
I know it is in polish, but there are too many texts to translate into English ( laziness rox xD )

You forgot also XD ( :D ), BoD, THC…

I have sent a PM to you with description of my clan.

[$tilettø]

yea, i am in TF cooba. BoD isnt really active.. =P havent seen an member from bod in months =P

[cooba]

We are the best polish clan :PArrogance is yours.

[$n00z]

You forgot also XD ( ), BoD, THC…

uhm, as far as i know, XD is dead, and i haven't seen BoD/THC players for months. ;o

[R3ptile]

I'll add BOD.

[MaGoo]

You might want to add Bobby also, he's one of our most active members.

[R3ptile]

He is already in, read the "Leadership" line.

[cooba]

JSZ > VS
Pageclaim.

[Sasik]

Thx for added VS to the list :-)
Hm….XD….In practice you can say: “it is dead”, but formally XD has one active member :P ( Yum :D :D :D ).

BoD is quite active I think ( for example like FoR ), they played cw against CC a few weeks ago.

About THC I don’t know good, but I see sometimes someone with this tag.

Originally Posted by <b>Cooba</b>
Arrogance is yours.
Not arrogance, only the thruth.

Originally Posted by <b>Cooba</b>
JSZ > VS
Nonsense! I can’t agree :p Even JSZ Members won’t say that. Look for example here:
<a href="http://www.versus.neostrada.pl/vs_jsz_2.html" target="_blank">http://www.versus.neostrada.pl/vs_jsz_2.html</a>
Even if you don’t know polish you can see who won cw :)

[cooba]

<a href="http://www.versus.neostrada.pl/vs_jsz_2.html" target="_blank">http://www.versus.neostrada.pl/vs_jsz_2.html</a>>OOOO...

[Stijn]

I am active, naab. Add me to the TF active list PLZ!

[R3ptile]

You are a vice leader then I wrote you at the "Leadership" line!!

[rÎpTèÁrRåßbÏt]

and my clan UCN???/

[NeoBlaze]

I haven't been on these forums for a while, now people are talkin trash about my clan behind my back. Fix the following please:

TcM - The Chaos Magisters
IRC Channel: N\A

Look closer and see that we have an IRC channel on irc.gamesnet.net

Active members: EvilMonkey, KillerBoy, Shader
Don't mix clan and level making group.

Overall skill: Low
That changes. Maybe in comparison with you it is low, but look at my jdc rank...

New member strictness: Low \ very low
Comments: I recommend newcomers to join this clan, TcM is accepting low-skilled members, I'm not trying to insult, but... This is a perfect clan for newcomers IMO.
HUH??????
Did you read our rules? I only accept high skilled players. I don't have noobs in my clan, as you might have mentioned.

If you fix all above, I would appreciate it.
Thank you.
Regards,
NeoBlaze [TcM]

Derby: Content clearance. Some filtered expressions were removed or replaced.

[$tilettø]

jdc says like nothing about your skill, and its the clans skill in overall.. not just 1 persons skill.

[Stijn]

You should add to your post that people in the "Clan leadership" also count as "Active players"

[ShadowGPW]

I think you should remove the skill rating. It's kinda uncompareable, baised and based on 1 person's opinion.

[Stijn]

That's true.

[ChavRashGPW]

I agree, removing it would also save arguements and complaints from clan members/leaders. :)

[MoonBlazE]

I think it is funny.

[Unhit]

I don't think it's too bad now. <s>Maybe we should order a committee to rate all the clans.</s>

[NeoBlaze]

Semi-idle - [Si]:
...
New member strictness: Very high

Huh?
Any player who wishes to tryout for [si] must pass The Test. The Test requires the player to play against BlurredD in a duel to 10 on Happy Semiconductor CTF in Bobby aka Dizzy's server. The player must defeat BlurredD 10-1 or better or else that player cannot be admitted into [si]. No exceptions.

[Strato]

because obviously that is very lenient.

[NeoBlaze]

P.S. Thanks R3ptile.

BTW, maybe you should make same thread, but about level making groups?

[R3ptile]

There are only three levelgroups, I'm not that bored.

[DoubleGJ]

Nonsense! I can’t agree :P Even JSZ Members won’t say that. Look for example here:
http://www.versus.neostrada.pl/vs_jsz_2.html
Even if you don’t know polish you can see who won cw :)
There was also one clanwar that we won and it's not there, though both are old. We can do another one or at least a duel to see who currently is more powerful... As soon as I get the new monitor.

[Blackraptor]

JDC says barely anything about your skill, or else bob would probably be near first. JDC is based more on participation then skill.

Edit: Neo, good luck trying to pass that 'test'.

[NeoBlaze]

JDC says barely anything about your skill, or else bob would probably be near first. JDC is based more on participation then skill.

Edit: Neo, good luck trying to pass that 'test'.
Umm... What test?

[Blackraptor]

The one which you say is lenient without even playing a match with blur in semi. or something.

[Odin]

THE test. Test with a capital T.

-ThO

[NeoBlaze]

Oh, that. Of course, it is easy to defeat blur while he is semi-idling. And I've never seen him not to, so...

[Blackraptor]

Oh, that. Of course, it is easy to defeat blur while he is semi-idling. And I've never seen him not to, so...

I don't think anyone would semi-idle in the middle of an important duel....;\

[R3ptile]

--Semi-idlers. Semi-idling is bad. VERY BAD. I can accept total-idling, but SEMI-IDLING IS JUST BAD. Period.

[$tilettø]

beating blurred, 10-1 would be very easy, for me atleast. in b1. =P

[Stijn]

BTW R3ptile how about adding how long a clan already exists?

[R3ptile]

NeoBlaze is banned me from his server because "I was talking too much". Oh well, his clan doesn't exist anymore and he is dead now. Have fun.

[NeoBlaze]

What a lie. What I said, was that I banned him because my computer was freezing, and that after that I stopped the server... Also, I did say sorry so I am clear. But nooooo, R3ptile did not pay any attention cause he was busy yelling. Oh well.
Just for information, my clan still exists, and I don't really care if it is not in a guide. Altho I would appreciate it if it was.

Regards,
NeoBlaze

[R3ptile]

You banned me for no reason, now you are just dead. Have a nice day, mr. ghost.

[NeoBlaze]

There was the reason - you gave me false answers to my questions twice during the same day, in my servers... And you did that for no reason at all as well!

The "You are dead" statement makes no sense at all, because if is like saying that water is dry or that I have 6 fingers on my left hand or that a turtle can talk human, or a clock goes counter clockwise with a speed of 2 hours per second or that reptile is a green kind of cockroaches etc... And thus, as long as I am entitled ghost, one of my nonsense statements is true.

[blurredd]

Rep, if you got "banned for no reason," you shouldn't have sunk down to his level and done something entirely unnecessary as removing his clan from the Clan Guide. Those are just my thoughts.

[Sasik]

Originally Posted by <b>Flash</b>:
how about adding how long a clan already exists?
GooD Idea :) I support it :P

[ShadowGPW]

Date of creation: 10 sept 1997
Date of Jazz: ?? Jul 1998

[SteelTalon]

Just for the heck of it here's BW. Feel free to put it in the main post if you'd like to make a dead (or legendary?) clans section. ;)

BW - Black Wolves
Leadership: SteelTalon, MErlin
Website: N\A
IRC Channel: N\A
Active members: SteelTalon
Overall skill: Extremely high
Player activeness: Extremely low
Clan activeness: Dead
New member strictness: Extremely high
Comments: BW was the first clan ever for JJ2, and probably also the best (especially for its time). Assembled by MErlin and Dethman, the two biggest legends in JJ2 history, the clan roster went like this:
MErlin
Dethman
Koopa
WiZard
SteelTalon
The BW were so elitist that only these five ever made the clan. They were known for decimating their opponents and never taking one loss in their entire history. Sadly though, they rarely fought and the clan died relatively quickly because nobody was ever good enough to replace those who had left. SteelTalon still lurks around but is not seen often and is only a shadow of his former glory. ;)

[Stijn]

I think it's not really useful to have dead clans in the list.

[blurredd]

I would have to agree, especially since there are more dead clans than ones that are still alive, and the infomation isn't too useful to new JJ2 players.

[Tubz]

Just for the heck of it here's BW. Feel free to put it in the main post if you'd like to make a dead (or legendary?) clans section. ;)

BW - Black Wolves
Leadership: SteelTalon, MErlin
Website: N\A
IRC Channel: N\A
Active members: SteelTalon
Overall skill: Extremely high
Player activeness: Extremely low
Clan activeness: Dead
New member strictness: Extremely high
Comments: BW was the first clan ever for JJ2, and probably also the best (especially for its time). Assembled by MErlin and Dethman, the two biggest legends in JJ2 history, the clan roster went like this:
MErlin
Dethman
Koopa
WiZard
SteelTalon
The BW were so elitist that only these five ever made the clan. They were known for decimating their opponents and never taking one loss in their entire history. Sadly though, they rarely fought and the clan died relatively quickly because nobody was ever good enough to replace those who had left. SteelTalon still lurks around but is not seen often and is only a shadow of his former glory. ;)

Yo ST, I got a couple questions. When in the hell did I say that quote in your sig. Another thing, is Dethman still alive in the community or left, because if he is still alive or has some kind of contact, I'd like to talk to him.

[blurredd]

No idea (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?p=230231&highlight=dead#post230231) where ST got that quote from.

[Tubz]

MWAHAHA, how the hell did that text in that post turn red.

[Unhit]

"highlight=dead" in the URL. (sry for offtopic)

[Stijn]

pageclaim

[BoArDeR]

HiY! Its me, Bder. :oDDDD How is everyone doing? I'm sorry I have been so inactive, it really SUXORZ to grow up. Hehe. I have 3 jobs and barely have anytime. BUT!!!!!!! THERE IS GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!

MOST OF U KNOW I HAVE A 26K CONNECTION.... Well, FINALLY there is another service available where I am at. It looks pretty good and I might get it, which in turn means I will play MORE!!!! YAY ...

Anyway, that isnt why I posted. Why I posted was that I was playing the <b> ROXEREST UR B0XEREST GAME CALD JJ2</b> today and our newest member SkulL was talking to me and he told me that he didn't even know I was a leader of FoR, and he led me to this link.

I'm not sure who you asked about the leaders Reptile, but TURTLE YOUR IN TRUBBLE MISTER!!! The clan was both thought up and brought to life by Turtleslayer and I. I've never read anything about idleness impeaching a leader and I'd like everyone to know that <b>I'm still here</b>, and I'm still proud of our clan.

IM NOT DED! IM NOT DED! .... I am alive, and I am Bder, and I will FoRever co-lead the greatest clan IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!... Hehe.... :oP ..... end sappy public service announcement.

*Wonders off to find Turtle and DS and give them a beating for not correcting the mistake themselves* :oP ..... Hehe..... GOTTA GO TO WORK! LOVE YA ALL! ......... And Long Live FoR!!!!!!!!!!!

-Bder

[R3ptile]

Hi. =)

[Unhit]

Hey Boarder :>

May I suggest something? I'd purge this topic each couple of weeks, so people can post their change suggestions for the clan list, but as long as there's a list of hundred pools behind the actual topic, I think it gets a bit unhandy to keep the overview.

[GuMmYBeAr!]

st. <3

and i love gpw. forever.

woww.

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

Sick!

[NeoBlaze]

Looks like the TcM profile is kinda outdated...

[Anakin[CC]]

lol again one of reptile's guides is incorrect. CC's skill should atleast be very high and DT should be high, as we beated DT

[R3ptile]

Not really.

[Chiyu]

Just ignore those ratings given, Anakin. They're based on Reptile's own judgement. No wonder he'd give his overrate his own own clan and give it a "Very high" rating, even when it's not worth a "Very high" rating. One person doesn't have the right to say things like that about other clans. That's why this post is too subjective to be a real guide.

[R3ptile]

Ok, then you are trying to start another flame war.
CC is full of newbies and unskilled players while DT was only recruiting the best and the most active we could. Now is it clear?

P.S: The guide is very outdated. I will update it again after Jazz Jackrabbit 2 World Championship.

When will CC stop bothering us about that unfinished clanwar? :H
And Elmer sounds like you really beat us. So you beat us in DW, but we owned in Semi.
We also played with a weaker warteam than our currently one, don't forget!

[SkulL]

If CC is so good as you are saying why didn't you register them to JJ2WC CB/elmer ?

[ShadowGPW]

If CC is so good as you are saying why didn't you register them to JJ2WC CB/elmer ?


scared to lose, just like in ut xD

btw the ClanGuide is baised especially the rating over clans. I would remove that..

[Enigma]

Agreed. The overall skill thing is something subjective (even if you let a clanless person write it), and it makes people unhappy. Maybe clan guides are better off without that kind of editorials.

[Stijn]

maybe we'd be better off with just a list of clans and their websites so there wouldn't be any flamewars at all :H peace

[R3ptile]

I am biased :H

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

:H :H :H :H :H :H

[Tubz]

Just ignore those ratings given, Anakin. They're based on Reptile's own judgement. No wonder he'd give his overrate his own own clan and give it a "Very high" rating, even when it's not worth a "Very high" rating. One person doesn't have the right to say things like that about other clans. That's why this post is too subjective to be a real guide.


Ok, then you are trying to start another flame war.
CC is full of newbies and unskilled players while DT was only recruiting the best and the most active we could. Now is it clear?

P.S: The guide is very outdated. I will update it again after Jazz Jackrabbit 2 World Championship.

When will CC stop bothering us about that unfinished clanwar? :H
And Elmer sounds like you really beat us. So you beat us in DW, but we owned in Semi.
We also played with a weaker warteam than our currently one, don't forget!

Simple logic for both sides. Anything made by a person with no llinks to facts is opinion. Therefore, every clan guide in this forum is an opinion, end of discussion.

I didn't realize how annoying that really is, until it was been brought up. That whole skill guide thing should really be removed, like what everyone else is saying.

[NeoBlaze]

This is not kool... If reptile is not keeping this list up to date, maybe we should start a different list on a separate page, and run it by someone who would update it?

[R3ptile]

Yes, hax my post and update it.

[Chiyu]

R3ptile -> No, I'm not trying to initiate a flamewar. Like more people in this topic, I'm just stating that this is not a real guide, just your own opinion. And we're not bothering you with anything.

For all I cared, CC could have participated in JJ2WC, I'm not even active in JJ2 division anymore, it's not my business. It's just that Anakin, and some others, refuse to play in a tournament organised by R3ptile. The clan is still having clanwars, but outside of this tourney. This tournament is not neccesary, the team is not obligated to participate in this to "prove how good CC is". Furthermore, I think that this won't be as succesful as planned anyway. I think there's a high chance this won't be completed as planned (like some matches being delayed or not played at all or some clans stepping out of the tournament), or that there will be flamewars. I think it's wise that Vegito and Anakin are not letting CC play, we're not looking for flames.

ShadowGpW -> CC scared? Most of these clans have already been challenged or battled by CC before, and some (like GpW) refused the challange. In your logic, that would mean GpW was scared too? Please explain.

Enigma/Fl@sh -> agreed.

[ShadowGPW]

ShadowGpW -> CC scared? Most of these clans have already been challenged or battled by CC before, and some (like GpW) refused the challange. In your logic, that would mean GpW was scared too? Please explain.

most of those wars are already overdated because its more then a year ago when they where played sweetheart (Kiss) :x - your still proud of that? Pityfull...

Besides we are playing in the tournament, your not :)

[R3ptile]

Yes :)

[BlazinDragon]

Dont forget to add DR in there ;p

DR is recruiting members, so the list WILL get bigger

[Anakin[CC]]

R3ptile -> No, I'm not trying to initiate a flamewar. Like more people in this topic, I'm just stating that this is not a real guide, just your own opinion. And we're not bothering you with anything.

For all I cared, CC could have participated in JJ2WC, I'm not even active in JJ2 division anymore, it's not my business. It's just that Anakin, and some others, refuse to play in a tournament organised by R3ptile. The clan is still having clanwars, but outside of this tourney. This tournament is not neccesary, the team is not obligated to participate in this to "prove how good CC is". Furthermore, I think that this won't be as succesful as planned anyway. I think there's a high chance this won't be completed as planned (like some matches being delayed or not played at all or some clans stepping out of the tournament), or that there will be flamewars. I think it's wise that Vegito and Anakin are not letting CC play, we're not looking for flames.

ShadowGpW -> CC scared? Most of these clans have already been challenged or battled by CC before, and some (like GpW) refused the challange. In your logic, that would mean GpW was scared too? Please explain.

Enigma/Fl@sh -> agreed.

coudnt agree more, Reptile's tournament simply never arent fair, he is to baised idd, im not starting any discussion with this reptile n00b anyway just because he and skull cant accept it we are better and own them, and some of you guys...are really sad.

[R3ptile]

Anakin is so pathethic. :H

[Enigma]

*sweeps Elmer and Rep under a carpet*

None of that here please. Use the eighth world wonder called "private messages" if you don't mind.

[ShadowGPW]

']coudnt agree more, Reptile's tournament simply never arent fair, he is to baised idd, im not starting any discussion with this reptile n00b anyway just because he and skull cant accept it we are better and own them, and some of you guys...are really sad.

DUH, Any tournament on this planet will always be baised when there is a human involved with it. Thats the most lamest excuse ever. Don't tell me i dont know nothing because ive been involved with tournaments as a player or admin/supervisor then anyone else here... no it's not arrogantie but plane facts. Could give you my CV of every tournament ive been active as as an head admin / supervisor..

~ins0mnia out

[Chiyu]

most of those wars are already overdated because its more then a year ago when they where played sweetheart (Kiss) :x - your still proud of that? Pityfull...

Besides we are playing in the tournament, your not :)
Right, you are playing in the tournament. And CC is not, so we're 'scared to lose'.
How about a (friendly, but official) clanwar GpW vs CC then? I basically stopped playing JJ2 and doing clanwars, but I can prove you that we're not scared to lose, and if we lose, that we'll just accept it...

[Tubz]

^^^

Maybe I'll actually bother to be in this one, if the timing is ok with my schedule.

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

>>>>>>>>>>I predict that FoR will win this tournament<<<<<<<<<<

[ShadowGPW]

Right, you are playing in the tournament. And CC is not, so we're 'scared to lose'.
How about a (friendly, but official) clanwar GpW vs CC then? I basically stopped playing JJ2 and doing clanwars, but I can prove you that we're not scared to lose, and if we lose, that we'll just accept it...

Just enter a tourny (clanbase soon perhaps?) and we will meet.

btw how can you do a friendly but offical. it's friendly (outside leagues) or offical (inside leagues).

[Chiyu]

With official but friendly I mean an official war, but without flamewars. That we'll somehow stay 'friends' after the war. :P

Nah we're not doing any tournaments unless there are admins and rules we agree with.

All I want is a single clanwar against GpW.. Accepting or not?

[Newspaz]

Just enter a tourny (clanbase soon perhaps?) and we will meet.

btw how can you do a friendly but offical. it's friendly (outside leagues) or offical (inside leagues)....

[ShadowGPW]

naw, as i've said we will meet each other in a tournament. :)

Everything played outside a tournament is a PCW/Friendly war for me.

[Stijn]

That's weak. Why don't just do a normal friendly war?

[Chiyu]

Well, don't call us scared then when you don't even want to play a single clanwar against CC. :)

Point proven, case closed.

[ShadowGPW]

That's weak. Why don't just do a normal friendly war?

whats so weak about it? because we don't play outside tournaments? Do you see top players from CS, WC3, D3 etc etc etc are doing that and hype it up? nope, only in jj2 they do that. And we never liked it and never will.

CraccoBoy if you actually readed it before, we called you scarred because when we challanged (Via ClanBase or just a practice/mix war in UT). You always refused, even a 2on2. 2nd is we said you are to scared to join a tournament. So you just changed the subject :lol:

[Rýû]

Wow, its cool to see that some things haven't changed, CC still thinks they are the Shiznick, while GpW IS the Shiznkick (still) Fo Shizzle, and they get people like CC to bug them about it, like be4, Other thing I noticed is...you guys need english classes :p , all of you, i mean if you guys are from holland :roll: (all of you) why not talk dutch? instead of a messed up english,huh 8D ? mah nizzles? 8D

[Enigma]

The American and German people tend to form angry lynch mobs with torches when dutch is being spoken on these forums. And not all of them are from Holland.

[Chiyu]

Welcome back Ryu. No I don't think CC is the "shiznick", whatever that may mean. For all I know, GpW is better. What do I know, I'm not active in JJ2 anymore. I'm challenging them for a different reason.

Oh by the way Shadow, it's not the tournament itself that bugs us. CC signed up for the tournament you were trying to organise a few months ago. We would've played in yours. It's just that a lot of our members "don't really like" Reptile and no alpha warteam member is willing to play in a tournament in which he's a host or a supervisor. Sorry, can't help that.

[Unhit]

WB. But what you said about language is among the dumbest things I heard on this forum lately. So what, English maybe (only maybe, since they're Dutch and I think children are first taught Dutch there usually) isn't there mother tongue. Maybe their English is not perfect. But at least they do speak a foreign language in a comprehensible way, don't they?

No offence, but I just found that statement a bit offending.

[ShadowGPW]

Welcome back Ryu. No I don't think CC is......... Sorry, can't help that.

I still have the plans for my own tournament (hosted via clanbase), he just toke the name/rules away. Thats fine but he won't get the planned prizes.

Ryu, we are all glad that you never make mistakes and that your english is perfect.

[snzspeed]

Pageclaim. 8D

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

Snooze theft part of my sig

[R3ptile]

Hey. Yeah, CC just love me so much... that's why they decided to do not join the tournament. ;P

I am not hosting the matches, other people with faster connection are doing that...
Speaking about tournaments, what's going on with our upcoming Clanbase ladder? =o

ShadowGPW\Fl@$h\just a note: many "pro-gaming" clans do friendly clanwars, but they are not taking it so seriously... people here should just understand that those clanwars are played for fun or for trying tactics, and their score doesn't really matter.

Ryu: Our English sucks, yours is really perfect though. GG.

[SkulL]

Ryu, Go learn english nab =D
Just kidding.
Really what about clanbase ladder did clanbase cancelled it or something please we NEED to know :P
*Points at Shadow aka Ins0mnia *

[ShadowGPW]

Ryu, Go learn english nab =D
Just kidding.
Really what about clanbase ladder did clanbase cancelled it or something please we NEED to know :P
*Points at Shadow aka Ins0mnia *

As told 10.000 times before JJ2 has no priority at ClanBase, but we have the go. From my side all is done already (rules etc)

[Anubis]

Boris started JOL again, who said BC is a new JOL? well, BC merged with TcM and became LR

[$tilettø]

i never see 4K and all those pro-gaming clans do friendly wars @ wc3.. only for MCL other leagues etc

[ShadowGPW]

i never see 4K and all those pro-gaming clans do friendly wars @ wc3.. only for MCL other leagues etc

Hah, I do though. But your not active at the proscene close enough. Ive played 4kings.intel in RTCW and Call of Duty. But Grubby and formal 4k player Myth go alot to lans and a small over-run by them against me happens alot.

[MoonBlazE]

whats so weak about it? because we don't play outside tournaments? Do you see top players from CS, WC3, D3 etc etc etc are doing that and hype it up? nope, only in jj2 they do that. And we never liked it and never will.You're asking for a lot from a game that is nearly dead, ShadowGPW. CraccoboyCC is just challenging you to a friendly war, nothing more. Why do you need such a fuss just to join a simple game? I think it says more about your clan than it says about the game. Top or not, you're being a sissy like that.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Some points, that I disliked in this debate:
-alot of comparison between jj2 and serious games, thats like really unnecessary
- CC's argument about jj2wc. Who cares if r3p organised it? he can't decide about anything but the time of the match. The levels(we voted 4 em...)are chosen by both teams, so it all bloody fair, and if say, CC beat the heck outa DT r3p couldnt say a thing against it...(skull could be the supervisor to make it fair fo example)
- Ryu, uhm, at least they try(I should say we, though I aint Dutch)

As for the CC vs GpW, well we'd have 2 talk about it with the team, but it definetly won't be as long as we're playing in jj2wc (GG reptile, u r teh ownage).

Derby: Content clearance. A filtered expression was replaced.

[Rýû]

No my english ain't perfect, *raises eyebrow*, and umm i just made that comment because i was pretty bored at the time, and in case any of u is wondering if the great one is going to be back at jazz thats a no, im about to be a daddy so, no time i will just check this board once in a blue moon

[$tilettø]

itsssssss ryu .. old times --'

[[GpW]Urbs]

wow, congratulations Ryu!

[SkulL]

This guide seriously needs Update... ;P

[Nielsje]

Indeed!

[White Rabbit]

Yes, place TF in fourth slot now. :p And get DT off the list.

Actually, place ALL of the clans in their respective order in the JJ2WC.

[NeoBlaze]

I vote place all clans alphabetically.

[Chiyu]

Bad idea, since not all clans on the list participated in JJ2WC.

Alphabetically would be best, but it doesn't matter much. ;p

[R3ptile]

Alphabetically would be the best indeed, and I would also add a JJ2WC ranking.
I will update this tommorow.

[White Rabbit]

The clans that didn't participate are the worst ones, so it's not a bad idea although sorting them alphabetically would be fair to all clans.

[R3ptile]

[si] isn't worse. :(

[White Rabbit]

Si didn't participate??!!?

[Chiyu]

The clans that didn't participate are the worst ones
Lies, you are basing that on nothing. The clans which didn't participate aren't neccesarily all the worst ones. For example, I know a 'certain clan' that beated your own clan in a cw, and didn't participate in JJ2WC.

How rude... and offending.

[Enigma]

*throws a blanket over WR and CB to make them fall asleep*

Hush, none of that here. I'm not having us getting into fights with other clans. And I think we agreed that we shouldn't sort clans by skill in this list a long time ago. Clans are free to participate in tournaments, but not obliged to. CC is free to play or not to play.

Which isn't to say that I feel like standing for talk like "WE BEAT U IN CLANWAR SO U SUX AND WE PWN SHUP K THX". If I recall correctly, that clanwar was decided on a single point, and might just as well have turned out the other way. So you'd do me a big favour by cutting out this "best clan" nonsense. And Rep: better make it alphabetical before the people eat each other here. ;-P

[R3ptile]

Si didn't participate??!!?
Indeed, it didn't. :rolleyes:

Edit: The guide is finally updated.

[SkulL]

I think u forgot Boarder.

[Sasik]

Add Ice and Yum to our lineup, plz thx.

[Nielsje]

Seems like the guide is a lot smaller then before... perhaps add some extra things to it?
For now: good job.

[Chiyu]

Hmm. Good job Rep, I like the guide much better now; more neutral.

Could you add Alex (not to be confused with LR's alex!), ÄÉæÛÕ, Shiverz, Catz, Tman, Dx, Link, HellBound, Sk8terboy, Neo, UnknownFile and Tidus to CC's line-up? They're quite active and/or important in our JJ2 division. Thanks ;P

[R3ptile]

If you could order all your members alphabetical, I would.

[Unhit]

Nice. Additional info...hm
The ranks of several players in JDC? I think that'd be quite interesting (although there are probably complaints again). Have no other idea what could be listed =P

[Enigma]

Besides the complaints, it probably wouldn't be all too accurate anyway. Despite considerable improvements in the scoring system over the years, JDC still lends itself to certain abuses.

[Unhit]

Yeah. You see, I desperately tried to save my post ;P

[NeoBlaze]

Good job reptile.
Hmm very interesting..
[si] has like 12 people in the lineup, and LR that has maybe 6 to 8 best members, is too long to list. Nice.

[R3ptile]

Good job reptile.
Hmm very interesting..
[si] has like 12 people in the lineup, and LR that has maybe 6 to 8 best members, is too long to list. Nice.
LR has too many players. If you could order ALL of them alphabetical, I would add their lineup to the list. Is it clear now? :D

[Chiyu]

Ok here ya go Rep:
(note: these aren't all of CC's players in JJ2, just the most known ones)

ÄÉæÛÕ
Alex
Anakin
AngerFist (friend from LR)
Catz
CraccoBoy
Dx
Grytolle (friend from LR)
HellBound
Link
Neo
Scare
Sephiroth (friend from LR)
Shiverz
Sk8terboy
Tidus
Tman
Tublear
UnknownFile
Vegito
Warrior
Yasco (friend from LR)

[Enigma]

Well yeah, but that's the CC part of it, isn't it? Doesn't LR have about two dozen more members besides those?

[Chiyu]

I'm not talking about LR, I'm talking about updating the CC crew. Not all CCers are in LR, and the ones who are are just helping them out untill they're good enough on their own.

[SkulL]

Hmm w00t .. Squirrel joined FoR! yey
he managed to do pretty well in all of his tryouts and he seems to be very good and nice .. all members accepted him (expect bder and ds they barley sign on)
so add him to the active member list m00!

[Violet CLM]

Krolikus Marhewus - KM
Leadership: ???
Lineup: Czari, Moody, senad, Soldier, tala
Website: N\A
IRC Channel: N\A

[Grytolle]

Legends Reborn
Leadership: Grytolle, NeoBlaze, Sephiroth
Lineup: Alex, Anakin, BattleSpaz, CraccoBoy, CrashMash. Dark Lord, Darky, Grytolle, JJBynny, Krappulski, NeoBlaze, Puffy40, Sephiroth, Skilledplayer, SonGohan, Vegito
Website: http://lr-clan.fragism.com/
IRC Channel: N\A
Notes: 7-8 @ JJ2WC

Others:
Catscan [Unactive]
Criss [Unactive]
Dayanne [Unactive]
Dingo [Unactive]
Jedi [Unactive]
Zeus [Unactive]

I am not sure if you wanted the unactive ones too Rep, so I put them in just to make sure:) Maybe you should list catscan nomatterwhat just because he's good...

[maverick]

Krolikus Marhewus - KM
Leadership: ???
Lineup: Czari, Moody, senad, Soldier, tala
Website: N\A
IRC Channel: N\A

Hm...It should be leader of a clan...Eh....I think it's next clan from Poland which members are all from Poland and created a clan because Sasik didn't let them to be in VS(You were right Sasik 8D)...They haven't passed easy VS TEST map,and they use only TSF version of jj2...
Btw:Carrot in polish is"marchewka' not'marhewka' xDDD

[cooba]

Carrot in polish is "marchewka" not "marhewka"Blame the ortography cretins. ;)

[DoubleGJ]

Soldier and Senad = BAHAHAH. I never met the others.

[Violet CLM]

Yeah, it's a TSF-based Polish clan. All I know is that I met two of their members, and they gave that spelling for the name, and that memberlist.

[White Rabbit]

IMO, BOD is dead. Umba hasn't played for years (he has recently come back) and I haven't seen a shadow of Elrick. The clan has disbanded, its members lost interest in JJ2 and the clan was seriously weakened when Sharky and Super Saiyan quit.

[Grytolle]

I've seen all of BOD's active members recently (Umba, Eagle, Elrick), I even played a few 2vs2s with a few of them. And also, Umba offered me to join them, so I think they are alive.

[DoubleGJ]

They're probably quite like Scion. They don't show up until you call them out. (Yu-Gi-Oh?)

[White Rabbit]

Hmpf. BOD is getting shy. The last time I saw Elrick was 2 years ago. Is he playing under a different name? When did you play with him? Which server? Did he host?

[Grytolle]

It was a CW BC vs BOD
Umba, Elrick, Eagle vs Yasco, Grytolle, Seph/Jurgen (cant remember:P)
Anayway...the CW was never played. Umba flamed Yasco too much:P

[Grytolle]

oh, btw...Our roaster is a lot shorter now:

Legends Reborn
Leadership: Grytolle
Lineup: Alex, BattleSpaz, Catscan, Dark Lord, Earl, CrashMash, Darky, Grytolle, JJBynny, Jurgen, Krappulski, NeoBlaze, Puffy40, Skilledplayer, Sephiroth
Website: http://lr-clan.fragism.com/
IRC Channel: N\A
Notes: 7-8 @ JJ2WC

[Grytolle]

oh, btw...Our roaster is a lot shorter now:

Legends Reborn
Leadership: ???
Lineup: Alex, BattleSpaz, Catscan, Dark Lord, Earl, JJBynny, Jurgen, Krappulski, NeoBlaze, Puffy40, Skilledplayer, Sephiroth
Website: http://lr-clan.fragism.com/
IRC Channel: N\A
Notes: 7-8 @ JJ2WC

Me and CrashMash joined CC.

[cooba]

Leadership: ???Now LR will die.

[Nielsje]

If you double-post it, it's still a long list ;)
Anyway, whatever happened to LR?

[Olsen]

Grytolle is the leador of LR now (grytolle told me on MSN)

[NeoBlaze]

Shup, cooba.

[Chiyu]

Actually, Cooba is right. According to Sephiroth, LR is dead.

[Sasik]

Clans born, clans die. Nothing new.

[Olsen]

According to grytolle, sepiroth left the leadershp to grytolle.

[Grytolle]

And then I left LR olsen;(

[DoubleGJ]

Clans born, clans die. Nothing new.
There's a present simple form for "born". And even if nothing lasts forever, it's better that it stays as long as possible. If it is suffering, tho', that's a different story.

[CrashMash]

IMO. Without Grytolle [LR] isn't that gine of cool. Most ppl are a bit inactive, or never come/answerr on MSN. I like [CC] cuz i'm (going to) play(ing) like all their clan-games :)

[Chiyu]

And according to NeoBlaze and Grytolle, Jurgen is the new leader now.

[Grytolle]

Yes, w/ Alex and NEoBlaze as co-leaders.

[[GpW]Urbs]

nice 2 see sedish people playing jj2:)

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

Jurgen is the new leader now.

LR - death

"it was a gg :D"

[Grytolle]

;p .

[CrashMash]

LR - Alive

It was gg

[[GpW]Urbs]

gry, you sedish? *hint*

[NeoBlaze]

Yo plant are you kidding me? Ima kick ya (-). Well I would if you were local...
LR alive and I think I will be the leader cause of the votes.

[Grytolle]

btw:P I AM swedish:D

[White Rabbit]

Hey, the TF info needs to be updated. Cooba, Skulg and Slaz are all in TF and active. :p

[[GpW]Urbs]

ya but u still havent changed the sig:)

[blurredd]

How active is Skulg anyway? I haven't seen her in a while.

[White Rabbit]

That's because you're not a TF member. :p She posted about a week ago at the TF forums (forums.totalfreaks.com)

I claim the 200th post and the 6th page!!!! :D

[MaGoo]

You know what? Nevermind.

[R3ptile]

#203

Revived! This thread is still alive!

BG.

[SkulL]

CrashMash and Messiah joined [GpW] afaik you should update it.

[CrashMash]

true =) wich m' proef of =)

[[GpW]Urbs]

yup i confirm that

[ChavRashGPW]

[GpW] CSS!

[[GpW]Urbs]

yup, true skill, true power:)

[CrashMash]

I gonna get CS:S soon =)

[Grytolle]

Cracco Clan - CC
Leadership: Anakin(CoLeader), Chiyu (Leader), Grytolle (JJ2 Vice-GameLeader), Vegito (JJ2 War Arranger), Yasco (JJ2 GameLeader)
Lineup: ÄÉæÛÕ, Alex, Anakin, Catz, Chiyu, Criss, CrushWurst, Dx, ET, GoldenBoy, Grytolle, Hazel-rah, IronLight, Kill, Link, MattW, Nunez, OLsen, Scare, Sephiroth, Shadow, Shiverz, Sk8terBoy, StarFox, Tman, Tublear, Vegito, Warrior, Yasco
Website: http://www.craccoclan.com/
IRC Channel: #craccoclan @ quakenet

[Superjazz]

You are the newest member, since Snooze left. Who is newer than you?

I don't remember that Snooze would have ever been in GpW. When was that?

[R3ptile]

I don't remember that Snooze would have ever been in GpW. When was that?
ChavRash and Snooze joined together, but then Snooze left after couple of days.

[Superjazz]

When? (Month) 2004

[Nielsje]

I guess around April

[snzspeed]

ChavRash and Snooze joined together, but then Snooze left after couple of days.

not after couple days, more like couple of months..

[Superjazz]

Why did you leave then, Snooze? o.O

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

Maybe because.... nah can't even be bothered....

[snzspeed]

Who cares. :Z

[DarkSonic]

I don't remember that Snooze would have ever been in GpW. When was that?
Read the textstring in Clipboard Chaos. That means he made that level when he was in [GpW]

[CrashMash]

LB!!

[CrashMash]

Hey, I just made a beta of the 8D clansite, thanks to myself for doing this in my freetime while in a busy business.
Chip uploaded it, its the very first beta, better work following soon.

Visit -> http://8d.ncmv.net

BTW : Want me to make a site? Contact me, I do it 4 free.

[Grytolle]

You might wanna change your custom title, Crash;P

[Ragnarok!]

++8D

[[GpW]Urbs]

this is somewhat pointless but still, we have a new lineup. I'll give the names of the active players, plus any of the less active players i can remember.

[GpW]- Gurus of Proactive Warfare
Leader: Shadow AKA Insomnia
JJ2 Gameleader: [GpW]Urbs_aka_Popey
War Arranger: Messiah
Councilor:) : Newspaz
Members: Snooze, Satan, Stunner, Aqrash, Messiah, Urbs, Pyromanus, Newspaz, Gummi, Ryu and others. The 1st 8 are the only ones active atm, that will change during the JDC though.

[Grytolle]

http://jj2wc.ncmv.net/ben.gifCracco Clan - CC
Leadership: Anakin, Chiyu, Grytolle, Neo, Vegito.
Lineup: Alex, Anubis, BattleSpaz, BlastFire, Catz, Criss, Crusader, Dx, EarlyBirdPie, ElfPudding, GoldenBoy, Gr33nPl4nt, IronLight, kyrsiN, Link, Nat, OLsen, Predator, Puffie40, Saddam, Scare, Shiverz, Snooze, Spybunny, StarFox, Stickgo, Tman, Tublear, Warrior
Unactive members: Kill, Sk8erBoy
Website: http://www.craccoclan.com/
IRC Channel: #craccoclan

[Chiyu]

At the moment, he is not. But he'll come back once he's done with his exams. And then you have to put him at "leadership", because he's the CoLeader.

[Grytolle]

Fixed.

[Nielsje]

8D - The 8th Dimension

Leadership: ChippieBW (Main Leader), Ragnarok, Yasco (Council Members)
Lineup: ChippieBW, Ragnarok, Yasco, DarkSonic, Sephiroth, Sonyk, Sperry, Squirrel, SuperJazz/Vivando.
Website: http://8d.ncmv.net/
IRC Channel: #[8d]

[Sasik]

If you update the clan guide, update also the part about [VS]...

[VS] – Versus
Leadership: Sasik, Maverick
Lineup: Avenger, Barret, Cloud, DeDe, Eminey/Nunez, Ice, Majorek, Maverick, Pepper, RooNe, Sasik, Sylver, Yum
Website: http://www.versus-clan.tk
IRC Channel: N/A

Thank you.

[snzspeed]

Cracco Clan - CC
Leadership: Anakin, Chiyu, Grytolle, (Neo), Vegito
Lineup: ÄÉæÛÕ, Alex, BattleSpaz, BlastFire, Catz, Criss, Crusader, Dx, EarlyBirdPie, ElfPudding, GoldenBoy, Hazel-rah, IronLight, Kill, kyrsiN, Link, Nat, OLsen, Predator, Puffie40, Saddam, Scare, Shiverz, Sk8terBoy, Spybunny, Stickgo, Tman, Tublear, Warrior
Website: http://www.craccoclan.com/
IRC Channel: #craccoclan

33-34 members, (since I am not sure if Neo is in CC&nbsp;JJ2;P).
GP and i joined too 8D

[White Rabbit]

Clanhoppers..

[maverick]

BG.

[snzspeed]

Clanhoppers..
you meant ur mom ? lolz

[Grytolle]

Updated.

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

This clan guide is absolutely useless now

[blurredd]

It's not too surprising though. Topics like this one are almost always neglected in the long run. I guess we'll all have to bug R3ptile until he decides to update the Clan Guide continually again.

[R3ptile]

.. UPDATED.

[Chiyu]

You forgot to add Neo to C'C leaders, Rep. ;(

[R3ptile]

You forgot to add Neo to C'C leaders, Rep. ;(
I only mentioned the active ones.

[BoArDeR]

FoR Leadership: Boarder and Turtle (as it always has been)

New Member: Shn00ze!! :oDD ...... YaY. Welcome Shn00ze to his stay in FoR, FoRever! ... I smell loyality.

Muahaha... FoR w00lz so g00d.

[Grytolle]

Snooze gives rep a hard time keeping the guide updated.

[Vegito]

and he gives himself a hard time (reputation)

[White Rabbit]

Boarder, yeah right you smell loyalty.... :(

[BoArDeR]

I really do. Sn00ze is better than leaving FoR. :oP I'll put some money on it that he stays, and fights, FoRever. (Where is he? He's spos to stand up FoR himself 2)... Hehe

Welp, I'm leaving for college today ... :o[ ... Without a computer ... So I'll somehow check back once and awhile!! BYA!

[snzspeed]

I will stay in FoR FoRever. :)

oh and WR, stop spamming this guide without no reason + annoying me. ok?

[Nielsje]

I will stay in FoR FoRever. :)


Hmm, where did I hear that before?

I will stay in XSÐ forever. :)


I will stay in TF forever. :)


I will stay in GpW forever. :)


I will stay in C'C forever. :)


I will stay in [si] forever. :)


I will stay in every clan forever. :)


:rolleyes:

[White Rabbit]

ROFLMBO. :lol:

[snzspeed]

never said those but k

[Grytolle]

lol

[White Rabbit]

Well, I guess I have to admit that Snooze WILL probably stay in FoR forever. No point in joining JJ2 clans when not playing JJ2.

[Grytolle]

True, but there are already rmours that he will return soon.