Jazz Jackrabbit 2 is disappearing.

[Taz]

Perhaps you know me, I think you don't. I'm that n00b of a Taz (I think I was noobish for about 6 years..) which couldn't speak proper English and made lame levels. Anyway, I stopped playing JJ2 after a while. After that, I just observed it but didn't play anymore. I saw it really disappearing. Fansites were gone, no new players, the old players stop, the game isn't in the shops anymore, things like that. I'm almost sure that the people who aren't playing now don't see that, but the game really is. Four years ago it was on a great level of community, using JCS, and just really many people were playing. Now, when I looked at random moments on a day, there were perhaps three servers and with almost nobody in it. I know I'll get comments that this is not true, but perhaps you should see that you CAN'T see in the past, how it was. Keep the game alive, people! Invite more people to it!

[MoonBlazE]

Welcome to last week, Captain Obvious.

The community itself is not dying. The game itself is just going very slowly down. Sponsored events, such as JDC, helps it stay alive by getting players' attention and bring the remaining active Jazzers together. Don't forget that ClanBase just granted the game a Ladder, which certainly will help keeping it more active.

Try to arrange games with some of your friends, rather than surf for games. It's much easier that way.

[Taz]

I know that's happening, but if someone stops he isn't going to join in anything like that. Most people aren't that emotional.

[R3ptile]

Hahaha no.

We just got a Clanbase ladder, which is a great step for the whole community.
There are still many players, clans and levels.

JJ2 is dead when JDC is not running. When there's JDC, you will find like 5 public servers with 8 players each. ;P

About JCS, people are making much better levels. You might want to go look at the downloads section and get shocked from OLC's new battle pack - the best battle pack I've ever seen.

"no new players" - You should visit this forum more often.
There are many new players, too bad most of them are disappearing after a few days, but then other people are coming. This game is about 6 years old, it can't be so popular, you know..

Oh by the way, are you Taz[GpW]?

Edit: I read Moonblaze's comment, he's quite right. When we really want to play this game, we usually call friends and go play organized matches. Public servers usually exist to find people and chat with them.

[Taz]

Lol, yes I am.

[R3ptile]

I remember you then, a bit.

[MoonBlazE]

Taz is old school. I remember playing with him far back, he was a gomu level designer too there. Too bad this computer fuxes too much to run such a simply game as Jazz2. >_>

[cooba]

<s>Three servers for me are much</s>

What R3ptile said.

[Taz]

The new player thing is hard. I found on Google that JJ2 isn't produced anymore, like I already said. You can call in friends, but then everyone has to have JJ2-loving friends and make sure nobody stops. You can't get the game without the internet. The most common way to start playing a way isn't a friend who's playing the game. It's when you see it in a shop and think that's a nice game..

[Taz]

Oh, please don;t remember me. Í was and am the weirdest player on any game. You surely dont want to remember me ;)

[cooba]

I found on Google that JJ2 isn't produced anymore, like I already said.As long warez sites exist, we will have more players. ;p

[Taz]

Are you sure that people really go search for JJ2 on the net? Anyway, you're a bit right. It's the best way because the producers already dumped JJ2.

[R3ptile]

Some stores are still selling it in Israel. Illegally or not.

[Stijn]

Epic dumped JJ2 4 years ago. Yet new players are coming. OMG

[KRSplat]

I agree with you, Taz. Although JJ2 still entertains me, it was so much better when there were pages of games listed to choose from, and they all had plenty of people in them.

[BlazinDragon]

Yeah, ive been playing for a very long 4 3/4 years, and the changes i've seen are dramatic: No updated J2C every few days, back then there also used to be usually between 6 or sometimes even 14 servers at a time! notn its like barely 1 server nowadays. Also i've noticed like taz said, alot of the oldies are dropping the game, but some of us are getting old and we have to continue with our life (like going into gr 11 biology which determines my life). Also, i've noticed that, yes, when JDC is on a few more players come back from the dead, but that shouldnt be an excuse to drop off for 10 months! I think we should play reugularily. Also, in schools and friends tell people about this new 2D sidescroller. Ive just told someone yesterday and he said he'd played it before (but said it didnt work which he needed patches) and he was INTERESTED to play the game again.

You see, if people just put in a little effort, JJ2 might start comming back from the dead.

P.S. that must have been the longest post i wrote in 5 minutes

[Doubble Dutch]

I have a certain morbid curiousity involving the death of fan communities, I watched the Cosmo, Jill of the Jungle and Biomenace fan communities all pass away, and believe me, Jazz is far from dead.

[$tilettø]

theres a small group that still plays.. and people like me would play this *.....* game when there are events like jdc etc but Yes.

[Tubz]

Hey, welcome back, unfortunately everyone has been known that, Taz.

[DoubleGJ]

As long as JCF, J2O and JDC exist, Jazz2 can't be dead.

[Iam Canadian]

Jazz is about middle-aged right now. Quieter, not as much excitement as there used to be (not even DDL is around anymore, although they were pathetic to begin with), just select group of people playing the game and chatting on the message board.

[Violet CLM]

I am sick of these topics. If it wasn't dead the last seven times, why would it be dead now?

[Tmansdc]

I know.


When I first started back in june 2002 I thought it was pretty active for an old game that was never real popular in the first place. But, it's lost a lot of activity in the last 28 months. And that's just sad.

[DoubleGJ]

Oh by the way, agreeing something's death really makes it closer to it.

[Ragnarok!]

Okay, maybe it is disappearing, but oldies go, newbies come. I dont exactly like to think it is disappearing, but IMO this is a pointless thread. I hate it when people say things like this. >(

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

I think, whatever happens, happens. I have discussed this with Ragnarok like 100 times (in each case he tells me to **** ;P). It will die one day, accept it. But ask yourself first, are you even playing it yourself that often? There are hundreds of players that still come on a weekly or monthly basis. I even posted a thread saying that I am leaving, but as Disguise miraculously pointed out, I am posessed by this game so I still come on weekly basis or every fortnight. If you don't want it to die, then contribute to it or play more often. I am not saying you have to. A lot of ppl have moved on because like Chavrash says : "OMG it's just a silly rabbit game!" but it probably the only existing decent online 2D game left.

[Tubz]

I especially don't play JJ2 much because everyone is obssessed with JDC. I say, hey want to duel. And they ask me what my quality. I'm like what the hell man, forget it then. Everything is too competitive all for a tournament that gives bragging rights only, especially JDC was never like that in the old days.

[FQuist]

This what was what they were saying 4 years ago, too.

http://web.archive.org/web/20001024233152/www.jazz2city.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=General+Jazz+2+Talk&number=13

[Iam Canadian]

Wow, seeing the JMMB takes me back. Although you can't read the topics, one gets the idea.
I'll close this post with a rather corny phrase I said a couple years ago: "Jazz will only die if we let it die".

[Trafton]

Wow, seeing the JMMB takes me back. Although you can't read the topics, one gets the idea.
You can actually read many of them. I'd say about 35%.

[Doubble Dutch]

"Jazz will only die if we let it die".

We are. Slowly, but we're getting there. "All good things come to an end."

[/morbid]

[Tubz]

I kinda like the theme better on JMMB. The bluish purple one at least. It would be cool if we could make that or soemthing. Well darn, none of the threads work, no memberlist either.

[NinJazz]

phew, I am just getting TSF, and now then Jazz2 has no players so what's logic of it?????? I dunno 'bout u guys but Jazz2 were my first comp game I have played (emulator roms not count) and it will always be in my comp...´Jazz Jackrabbit will of course die cus of our oldering... we get everyone older and then we start getting topics like "bye guys" or "I have left Jazz2" and like I said before, I can do my new logic to rabbits age limit:
Rabbits...........8 years old
Jackrabbits......dunno
We have sumtime stop this forum and forget Jazz2, but that time won't come soon, so we have to enjoy fun we have and not to cry pain we have, I wish more activae members would come on...

[Doubble Dutch]

Whinge whinge whinge. All everyone does around here is complain. These depressing threads accomplish nothing.

[BattleSpaz]

Ill think its true... Jazz really are disappearing... 3 of my friends wont play jazz with me anymore, there is only jazz 3 demo, then epic games just killed funny & great idea of 2D game Jazz Jackrabbit, they wont even say they had game like that!!! i sendet E-Mail (for a test) to Epic Games and asked for full list of Jazz Jackrabbit 2 cheats and they ansvered they dont even have made game named jazz Jackrabbit!!! and epic games stopped even jazz online server...

[Tubz]

Whinge whinge whinge. All everyone does around here is complain. These depressing threads accomplish nothing.

So what, I'd rather put up with these threads than those really dumb threads that people post in Miscellaneous Stuff. Whoa, what was the name of the last stupidest topic, hmm probably the German & Swahili Word Associations.

[Doubble Dutch]

Hmmm, good point. Then again, this forum is at least expected to act serious.

[Stijn]

Whoa, what was the name of the last stupidest topic, hmm probably the German & Swahili Word Associations.

Or maybe even "What's the worst car brand in the world?"!!1

[Tubz]

Or maybe even "What's the worst car brand in the world?"!!1

Or maybe all of your topics!

[Violet CLM]

Zing.

Seriously, you're more likely to find serious topics in General Jazz Talk than in Misc.

[KRSplat]

Or maybe all of your topics!
... Don't think you should go down that route.

[Stijn]

pageclaim

And the last thing I'll say about this is the same as KRSplat said :P

[Blade]

Very regrettable this is, if Jazz2 truly is slowly disminishing. I'll try do my part to keep it and the community alive with something I do better than talking :)

[Olsen]

Ill think its true... Jazz really are disappearing... 3 of my friends wont play jazz with me anymore, there is only jazz 3 demo, then epic games just killed funny & great idea of 2D game Jazz Jackrabbit, they wont even say they had game like that!!! i sendet E-Mail (for a test) to Epic Games and asked for full list of Jazz Jackrabbit 2 cheats and they ansvered they dont even have made game named jazz Jackrabbit!!! and epic games stopped even jazz online server...

Epic games only have the responsibility for the unreal games, what ive seen, but they let the old titles go to epic classics. although, then cant say that they never made jazz jackrabbit, cause they have.

[!Tman!]

Sorry community Im with Tazz we are going down hard.... Hopefully we can regain but inless some new jazz comes out were dead... Oh ya long live RAZZ lol And dont forget I love u all... lol I remeber TAZZ too

[cooba]

It's TAZ, not TAZZ. No double Z so you lose.

[!Tman!]

Whatever

[Trafton]

Jazz 2's community has been decreasing in size by about 15% in size every six months since about 2001. This sounds bad at first, but six months is a long time on the Internet and 10% isn't that much. In fact, mathematically, that would mean it is about 32% the size that it used to be, which is probably right.

The game is harder to measure. The amount of short-fuse n00bs really is what dictates how many people are playing, not the players that really count to the community. It is much harder to gauge.

But, the fact remains, as long as the community is living, the game probably will be, too. Even if it isn't as active.

[Gavie]

jazz 2 remains a classic
I know lots of people who played their dusty jazz cd again, and have those memories.. :P

[Stijn]

Jazz 2's community has been decreasing in size by about 15% in size every six months since about 2001. This sounds bad at first, but six months is a long time on the Internet and 10% isn't that much. In fact, mathematically, that would mean it is about 32% the size that it used to be, which is probably right.

The game is harder to measure. The amount of short-fuse n00bs really is what dictates how many people are playing, not the players that really count to the community. It is much harder to gauge.

But, the fact remains, as long as the community is living, the game probably will be, too. Even if it isn't as active.
That would mean it would eventually stop shrinking. Yay :)

[Trafton]

That would mean it would eventually stop shrinking. Yay :)
I didn't say the pattern was linear. It's been true thus far, but obviously when it gets down to about 10 people the game is functionally dead.

[DoubleGJ]

That would mean it would eventually stop shrinking. Yay :)
Yes. Logic agrees that the number can't go lower than 0.

[Doubble Dutch]

Actually logic suggests that it would never reach zero; there would always be a community out there.

I didn't say the pattern was linear.

Indeed, its exponential decay.

Now then, as an exponential decay curve, the current population is given by [origional population] x [1 - decay]^[current time/6 months]

As such, the community is now at 27% of the origional [or it will be at about december.] The community will require 37 months to reduce to 10%; 5 years to reduce to 5% and 10 years to reduce to 1% [about which time the game will become functionally dead.] You should be the last Jazz fan in about 20 years.

[Disguise]

Since the dawn of time there have been topics about JJ2 dying. Some things never change I guess.

Seriously, makes me wish this game was dead enough for people to actually stop posting them.

@R3ptile: 5 servers with 8 people in them each IS dead, back in the good old days there used to be pages of servers 24/7 (I know because I've spent many sleepless nights playing JJ2 for insane amounts of time.

[NinJazz]

yeah, it is, but I prefer it would be aliving more and this kind topics would be diappearing 8-)

[Anubis]

JJ2 is really dying. Nowadays you don't always see servers, I used to play JJ2 a lot, but now less people are playing online. I once saw 9 servers listed (I was bored cuz I didn't have 1.23). J2O, JCF and JDC are keeping JJ2 alive. I'm waiting for JDC where you can see many people. (heh) and I couldn't play in tournaments cuz I didn't have 1.23, next summer it'll be more fun cuz I now have 1.23 :D

[ShadowGPW]

Since the dawn of time there have been topics about JJ2 dying. Some things never change I guess.

Seriously, makes me wish this game was dead enough for people to actually stop posting them.

@R3ptile: 5 servers with 8 people in them each IS dead, back in the good old days there used to be pages of servers 24/7 (I know because I've spent many sleepless nights playing JJ2 for insane amounts of time.

can even remember the first few months that we had 3/4 pages long with jj2 servers. And when TSF came the same "problem" happend.

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

LR is the 3rd biggest clan

Really? What's the biggest? =/

[Tubz]

Let's just be happy. JJ2 gets a Nolia Clap for surviving 6 years!

[maniaxman]

still it is strange that a over hyped like hl & Q3 still owns a growing commuity.

[SkulL]

We have a lot of people in our community, it just that most of them are too lazy to play jj2 or can't because of router problems.

[White Rabbit]

Since the dawn of time there have been topics about JJ2 dying. Some things never change I guess.

Seriously, makes me wish this game was dead enough for people to actually stop posting them.

@R3ptile: 5 servers with 8 people in them each IS dead, back in the good old days there used to be pages of servers 24/7 (I know because I've spent many sleepless nights playing JJ2 for insane amounts of time.

You are so lucky to have seen the that. :p These days chances are, you won't see a single server.

I think it's inevitable that JJ2 is dying, and complaining about it won't help. Come on, nothing last forever. Bear baiting was popular but can you see it on TV now? :p I bet that some day, in the future, JJ2 will be banned because it's anti-turtle or something because the ruler of the world happens to have turtles for pets. But on the bright side, let's say that the ruler of the world doesn't have pet turtles althouh JJ2 will sooner or later turn into a shadow of its former shadow of its former self. Old games like Doom are still played, and even Pong and, correct me if I'm wrong, JJ2 is better than any other game oldie game and is the best platform game EVER. Ppl won't forget about it and therefore JJ2 will never die. Erm, hopefully.

[Anubis]

To Gr33n Pl4nt. VS is second biggest and CC is biggest.

[Tubz]

What the hell is bear baiting?

[White Rabbit]

It's when you tie a bear to a pole and release loads of hounds to kill it. The hounds will often get killed or mutilated because they're not strong enough to stand up to the bear so the bear is often disabled by cutting of his claws/breaking his jaw or something.

[Violet CLM]

These days chances are, you won't see a single server.
When I check gip, it is quite rare that there are no servers.

[White Rabbit]

@Unknown Rabbit.

Well, lately there seems to be a lot of idle servers where the host is gone and ppl just mess around in it. At least that's what I see when I check gip. Maybe you live somewhere fun like in America and play in servers when I'm asleep or something...

[Sonic_24]

Hey guys!
I want to know: Will it be an 1.25 Patch for Jazz2 TSF?????
Tell me PLIZZZZ!!

[Doubble Dutch]

We'd all like to see one, but I doubt it.

[!Tman!]

I think jazz's is going down... You guys can't face the fact that its going down so you keep creating more and more levels that are more stratagy than battling(The basic fundamental of jazz) Just the other day I was on jazz looking at some of the servers I went into it and it had everyone playing some stupid game where u bet money...I hope someone thinks of something better than that for jazz...

[Anubis]

I've seen a list of 10 servers. (most of them pinging) :P that's dead, but still a lot nowadays :(

[Stijn]

I think the focus of the community will eventually shift to Single Player.

[White Rabbit]

But playing vs other ppl will always be fun. Until TR 2 comes, if it ever will...

[Fawriel]

Or SCE 2. *nudgenudgewinkwinkwink*

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

I think the focus of the community will eventually shift to Single Player.

Really? I lost interest in Single Player in 1998 and actually started playing online in 2004.

[White Rabbit]

What did you do in the vacuum years between 1998 and 2004 then...? :p