Problems with Michael (not a flame/attack thread)

[LittleFreak]

First of all, this was not meant to attack Michael.

It seems many people have problems with Michael, mostly 'caused by misunderstandings. That results in flames, personal attacks, and even threads against him. However, I think it does not have to be this way. Most of us might be old enough to solve that problem in a reasonable way.

So, the best way to start is probably searching the reason why we always get conflicts with him.

Some hours ago, I PMed him as I felt insulted because he used the word "Nazi-Germany" in a post. Later on, he said he didn't want to say that he thinks Germans are all nazis or something, actually he meant the part of Germany which was ruled by Hitler, at the time Hitler ruled there. So what? It was actually a misunderstanding. Like most of the times.

What could we do to solve it?

Note: Please do NOT flame, personal attack, etc. in this thread. If you feel you cannot try to solve this problem normally, just ignore this thread. Thank you.

[R3ptile]

JCF is getting worse..

[LittleFreak]

JCF is getting worse..

If you feel you cannot try to solve this problem normally, just ignore this thread. Thank you.

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[Nitro]

Before I read this topic or anything I would just like to say that I am so flattared and feel awesome about all these topics being made about me here in the last day or two.

PHT:
Misunderstandings is the ONLY problem with Michael, well you can sum the small ones up to that at least. <s>Tell them the example how we worked it out like ment about that thing in the PM about Nazi-Germany.</s> I deleted that line but left it in just to let you know that it's just what I was thinking too, might I add though that by "later on" PHT means in reply to his PM. (:
I really like the idea of solving problems like this, (useless example- my dad got really mad and yelled for a whole hour cos I didn't have a shower, i kept saying the same thing till he got it through: stop yelling i get the message also if you say it quietly, and this won't help so let's make a deal on when i'll take my shower everyday from now on).
Also I wanna say what I told PHT in them private messages, that I value him for coming to me to work out his problem and our misunderstanding, that's cool if you ask me.

[LittleFreak]

It's just that I find flamewars and such pretty useless, it doesn't help anything at all. I also often have arguments with my dad, and I learned, that it helps only if you tell your opponent your problem, and discuss it normally.

I guess we can all be friends and leave in peace, we just need to at least try it. ;-)

[Nitro]

Agreed 99%, I do find a certain slight enjoyment in the flames or debates or whatever we call them though.

[Fawriel]

I do my best to overlook any possible misunderstandings and I still don't like a lot of what he says. =P
I don't hate Michael, really. He's just annoying to me. Like some kid who keeps asking for the same thing at the same time every day. "Nerd". "Geek". "Get a life. d:". "Don't get smart". ...that one especially. =P
It's getting old.

I have to agree though that some people DO overinterpret what he says. For example when Trafton argued about Michael having said or implied something discriminatory about girls and beauty and came up with the subject of eating disorders.
Of course, he would be entirely correct with this is Michael HAD actually stated anything like that, but in fact, he proclaimed that he thinks that many girls are beautiful the way they naturally are, which is not what I'd call degrading.
I think Trafton's arguments were inspired by Michael posting pictures of <s>sex0r</s> attractive ladies, which can easily be interpreted as treating girls like objects. Which I have to agree with. Ladies != objects.
But as I said, it was overinterpreted as Michael never actually stated anything that degrades women as a whole.

...yeah.

++girls

[Stijn]

I used to pretty much hate you, Michael, but despite your (in my opinion) problems such as the everlasting "gay stuff", I'm being more and more positive about you, maybe because you are one of the few people around that are pretty much like me in the sense of interests. Anyway, this forum is becoming worse and worse :(

[Violet CLM]

I have two problems with Michael.

One: He has stated that he does not care about anyone other than himself.
Two: He does not believe in equal opportunity for women.

[Tubz]

First of all, this was not meant to attack Michael.

It seems many people have problems with Michael, mostly 'caused by misunderstandings. That results in flames, personal attacks, and even threads against him. However, I think it does not have to be this way. Most of us might be old enough to solve that problem in a reasonable way.

So, the best way to start is probably searching the reason why we always get conflicts with him.

Some hours ago, I PMed him as I felt insulted because he used the word "Nazi-Germany" in a post. Later on, he said he didn't want to say that he thinks Germans are all nazis or something, actually he meant the part of Germany which was ruled by Hitler, at the time Hitler ruled there. So what? It was actually a misunderstanding. Like most of the times.

What could we do to solve it?

Note: Please do NOT flame, personal attack, etc. in this thread. If you feel you cannot try to solve this problem normally, just ignore this thread. Thank you.

Talk to him privately and try to solve the problem. Numerous times this has happened to people like me and Michael. It is annoying.

[URJazz]

I just find that me and michael have conflicting ideas on several topics and the way he tries to argue them sometimes annoys me. He just assumes he is right and won't even try to look from the other persons perspective so pretty much whatever you say doesn't mean anything, and thus I just stopped arguing. I don't post much and when I do I try to make them meaningfull and I don't think I've ever flamed anyone and thats the way I intend to keep it.

[Nitro]

Faw it's also getting old that people pretend to be ignorant and try and be all smart and stuff.
Good that you standing up about that with Trafton. (:
Women are a bit inferior actually to men, but I'm sure there is stuff they do better than men.

Flash, the time you hated me must have been when you were behaving like a nerd too much. d: Maybe, in that case, you are also one of the few people aronud here who are not lame too. What do you mean by interests? like skating? or just our attitude.
And the forum always was worsT, we are just getting better. [:

Unknown Rabbit, I do care for other people, but about the small things, those are where I come out conciderate and a good person more. I think it's sort of hard to explain.
Women don't deserve an equal opportunity, why do you think they do? I think they deserve a near equall opportunaty, but for instance a woman can't be a soldir, it just doesn't suit them or work out since they are physically weaker and can't carry those loads of what 40kg that male soldiers carry. But if for instance a woman would pass the tests to become a soldier, with the criterions of male soldiers, she can be a soldier I guess.
It's not that I am a shovinist, I simply HATE feminists, for the reasons that they do feministic stuff, I find it super retarded to like say "I am going to become the first woman astronaught JUST BECAUSE ONLY MEN HAVE BEEN ASTRONAUGHTS SO FAR".

Deriv, why should he talk to me privatly? this is a deal between me and pretty much everyone else around here.

URJazz, I looked from their perspective and didn't see anything right. I might have extreme opinions, but when we debate them and you fail to stand up for your side or opinion, it's your problem mate.

[Tubz]

Boy you and Velk stay making those huge posts.

[Violet CLM]

Women don't deserve an equal opportunity, why do you think they do?
Maybe because they're human and have brains.

I think they deserve a near equall opportunaty, but for instance a woman can't be a soldir, it just doesn't suit them or work out since they are physically weaker and can't carry those loads of what 40kg that male soldiers carry. But if for instance a woman would pass the tests to become a soldier, with the criterions of male soldiers, she can be a soldier I guess.
So, let me get this straight. You're saying, a woman can not be a soldier, UNLESS she passes the tests to become a soldier.
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Males are just automatically let into the army with no questions asked?

I simply HATE feminists, for the reasons that they do feministic stuff,
=D Good choice on their part.

I find it super retarded to like say "I am going to become the first woman astronaught JUST BECAUSE ONLY MEN HAVE BEEN ASTRONAUGHTS SO FAR".
(This is, by the way, where the dictionary you don't care about comes in handy.)
I'm curious if you would support a male astronaut if all the previous astronauts had been female. Or is it that once one gender does something, it is off limits for the other gender?
Meanwhile, if you're just complaining that they have no reason other than it not having been done before... you know, a lot of great advancements are made for just that reason. I don't really know what the world would be like today if nobody did anything that they had no reason to do other than that nobody else had done it.

[URJazz]

URJazz, I looked from their perspective and didn't see anything right. I might have extreme opinions, but when we debate them and you fail to stand up for your side or opinion, it's your problem mate.

Maybe you think you're, or maybe you actually are looking at the other persons perspective but you sure don't show much evidence of it when you post. And when we did 'debate' I just ended it because I know that it was useless, no matter what you said I wasn't going to change, and no matter what I said you weren't going to change, so I ended it, this is one of the many ways I avoid flame wars etc.

And I completely agree with Unknown Rabbit.

[Kaz]

I believe the problem with Michael is that he isn't mature enough for this board yet and he doesn't know what foolishness he posts.

We must learn to accept people that do not have the same insights as we do because they probably can't do any better.

Derby: Personal attack removal.

[Fawriel]

Full agreement to Unknown.
Or, as Rad put it while explaining a game idea to me "Of course a creature with highly raised senses has to be female, because that's the only way to raise common sense". Whee!

[FreeLance]

My personal belief is that many people misunderstand Michael because he speaks flippantly and does not think about what he's saying before he says it, nor does he strive to say what he means or mean what he says. (for instance, mass-labeling peoples as 'geeks' if they're not him)

[MoonBlazE]

Michael is one of the reasons for I hardly browse this part of the forum. His posts are often offending and he appears as a very naive person. If he wants to solve it on his own, he should start thinking about the following things before posting a post:

1) Does your post contribute to the discussion? Could you express your opinion in a more constructive way?
2) Could it be that your post would offend other people? No matter what opinion you may have about a certain kind of people, you must also understand that those kind of people (like homosexual people) also browse the forums and feel attacked by reading your post.
3) Is it worth posting? Just replying with a rant tends to be more annoying than helpful.

[Odin]

As stated before, he has this huge obsession with gay people.

Also, even though everyone and their brother beat me to it, I think Micheal isn't mature enough for online discussion. Frank Zappa (look him up, he was a great composer/songwriter) once said, "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's not open."

I, for one, believe that he's the metaphorical person falling through the troposphere because his parachute's not open. Maybe that's because of his culture, I don't know, but when you join a large group of people, you need to listen to ideas open-mindedly, respect other's opinion to an extent, and, above all, when you have an opinion, back it up with solid reason.

Also, i'd like to know why this thread lives while my thread concerning Tubs' posting career was closed and thrown out faster than bad fish.

[Nitro]

Deriv:
What huge posts?

Unknown Rabbit:
Yes they are but that doesn't allow them to do any job yet, there are human men with brains too. Being humand and having a brain are only two simple low criterions you are checked for when getting a job.
Most women would make bad soldiers, and I personally would make the army one gender, but if there is some stuborn woman who isn't doing it for ONLY feminist reasons then she can try pass the same tests as males get.
There are questions and interviews for males before the army..why did you think otherwise heh.
Michael: I simply HATE feminists
UR: =D Good Choice
Dude don't quote half a sentance of mine end it with a comma and post something just to try make me look like an idiot, cos I am not the one who can't come up with a proper debate against that.
I wouldn't have to support a male astronaught, because there wasn't ever an "all woman astronaught" time, and it's not a likely or reasonable scenario cos apparntly they don't fit the job..I don't know much about these things but isn't there all these like pressures and efects and thrust and who knows what which a male body with stands way better.? It's been proved that males bodies are physically stronger and it's an abvious know fact you can't argue with.
A woman being an astoronaught is not an advancment, men have done it, they can go to something else useful then. I don't want the think what the world would be like today if everything a guy did a woman would want to do too, we'd be primative and the woman would prolly be chasing after a crooked wheel she made! d:

URJazz:
That's gay, and why are you so negatvie don't give up keep trying, reach an understandment.

Kaz:
Why do you think I am not mature? am older than plenty people here and am mature, just who says mature people should have a certain opinion or talk a certain way? that's conformity bullcrap.
I accept people, why can't they do better? should try harder cos I doubt they are retards or paralized, only lazy.

Faw:
That's the way to influance common sense wrongly, and it's probably for example like only putting the female character in the game so the feminist game reviewers will be pleased.

Freelance:
I think before each word I chose, rest of your post is nonsense.

MoonBlaze:
Have you got a mental type of illness or something? how could you take my posts to heart and be offended? and why care over the ineternet about someone you don't even like? you make me saddddd. Naive? to the contrary.. where do you think I seem naive?
1) It contributes to the discussion alot more than those gay ++ things and it contributes to the discussion by sharing an opinion and commmenting on other peoples' opinions. You can't tell me how to express my opinion and I take offense from you saying I should.
2) Yes it could be that my post and belief on common truth offends other people, that is a good way to get a message through since it get in them and gives them more reason to debate it, understand why it was right, and maybe adopt it. And where does the part come in that I care about how they feel?- when I am saying my opinion I won't lie or kiss it up just not to offend a homo, if anyone does that kind of rubbish then THEY are the shallow person and very weak, say your true opinion and what you think, some people these days make me sad how they lie just to sound all kissed up. It's lame.
3) Worth posting? is it worth living? you'll only die in 90 years. is it worth playing the game? you'll only lose interest in it one day. worth skating? you'll be to weak to do it in 30 years prolly or kill ya self doing it. worth.....I can go on forever. Bottom line- it's worth posting, if it wasn't I would be here, that is a pretty silly question now that we think about it eh. I don't reply with a rant, you find my opinions annoying cos you cannot counter them perhap, and maybe find truth in them but are scared to follow cos of conformity and kissed up opinions. How is any opinion 'helpful' anyway?
I hope those answer your three things I think about alot before I post.

[Nitro]

Odin what obsession are you on about? I call people gay not as homos, if you wanna be ignorant go to the topic about the meaning of it.
A wise person called what ever said something once about equality and letting immature boys on the internet! haha. [: what's your point of shoving a cheesey quote into your post Odin? makes you feel smart? I guess, I would too. Check the last two in my signature oh and you could take a look at number three aswell.
Yuo are saying it as if I don't do all that stuff- I listen open mindedly to ideas, then I got the choice and I disagree with most of the ideas you guys have. I back up my reasons on common sense, why do you want something solid? I don't worship books like you geek. I respect other peoples opinions, I also give me opinion on their opinion though.
You post was a personal attack or something, this is a genuine and very good idea of PHT's to solve our problems, you should try solving yours too.

[NinJazz]

PHT2 has got my post in his sig???? thanks, what a honour! ok, so, Michael has problems with others? I thought it is my fault, didn't I start fighting with him, why nobody is angry to me??? anyway, Michael has few rude ways to use with humans, but there is no human without "mistakes" or "bad ways" or what can it be said... I have been alot of not so much time on here now... if Michael is speaking about Nazi-Germany (sorry for all germans now) he actually is also speaking normally, some people will say Germans as nazis, sometimes because their own people were killed couples of couples of couples of years ago when hitler got mad. but hey! in other lands don't you hear much of nazi-racism? for example, my friends alot (my finnish friends!) about germans as nazis, and that's really gets me mad... so, it was wrongdoing, but some humans (not meaning just 5%, I mean alot of people) are actually blind to see words are filled with understanding, they are not flat things those will make eachother understand. some humans are actually then living by seeing words un-filled... that's Michael... sorry!

[Odin]

Odin what obsession are you on about? I call people gay not as homos, if you wanna be ignorant go to the topic about the meaning of it.
A wise person called what ever said something once about equality and letting immature boys on the internet! haha. [: what's your point of shoving a cheesey quote into your post Odin? makes you feel smart? I guess, I would too. Check the last two in my signature oh and you could take a look at number three aswell.
Yuo are saying it as if I don't do all that stuff- I listen open mindedly to ideas, then I got the choice and I disagree with most of the ideas you guys have. I back up my reasons on common sense, why do you want something solid? I don't worship books like you geek. I respect other peoples opinions, I also give me opinion on their opinion though.
You post was a personal attack or something, this is a genuine and very good idea of PHT's to solve our problems, you should try solving yours too.

One at a time, now!

Odin what obsession are you on about? I call people gay not as homos, if you wanna be ignorant go to the topic about the meaning of it.

Whenever Nimrod, or some other homosexual comes and posts, it seems like every time they post, you refer to their sexual orientation. Also, you really like to participate in conversation about homosexuals.

I know what the meaning of gay is, so does everyone else on this board. We just don't like that you have to use it as an insult.

A wise person called what ever said something once about equality and letting immature boys on the internet! haha. [: what's your point of shoving a cheesey quote into your post Odin?

The quote was in their as an example.

I believe in equality, however you don't, seeing as you degrade women all the time. If you want to do that, then go somewhere else. We're trying to run a nice site here, we don't need your trash here.

makes you feel smart? I guess, I would too. Check the last two in my signature oh and you could take a look at number three aswell.

I guess you're too good to post that in your post. You need to use your signature.

Yuo are saying it as if I don't do all that stuff- I listen open mindedly to ideas, then I got the choice and I disagree with most of the ideas you guys have. I back up my reasons on common sense, why do you want something solid?

It seems to me like you're just disagreeing because you can, much like Maddox. Maddox invented being angry!

And common sense is often not enough for backing up opinions. Besides, most of your opinions don't make much sense now. Not letting women into the army unless they pass certain tests, whereas letting men in free (presumably) is not common sense.

I don't worship books like you geek.

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Since when is liking to read bad? You're reading right now, admit it.

I respect other peoples opinions, I also give me opinion on their opinion though.

Respect? More like "Hey fag you suck geek lol." Get off my Internets.

You post was a personal attack or something...

Of course. Using that logic, you could say this whole THREAD is full of personal attacks. Therefore, I aks why this wasn't closed.

...this is a genuine and very good idea of PHT's...

More like "would've been trashed if Derby woke up."

...to solve our problems, you should try solving yours too.

While I do have problems, I do not treat women or minorities (race, sexual preference, etc.) differently, nor do I degrade them. You do. Guess who's more messed up.

Your turn.

[Nitro]

I didn't really understand you Ninjazz, but from what I did I will tell you that YOU didn't understand the thing about Nazi Germany, it's PHT who thaught I meant it against all germans, whilst I meant it as "germany 50 years ago"... hmmm I can't comment on anything else cos I didn't understand it bro, try to retype it and I'd like to see what you wanna say!

[NinJazz]

hey guys count me in as judge or something! Michael isn't so bad human as I know, you should keep him in honour, he is my worst enemy, and that's great thign :D someguys need to have a rival, I have many of them from JCF and that's important for me, because rivalry can be seen as kind of friendship...

[Nitro]

Yeah I got respect for enemies too, but we ain't that serious as Rivals. My only prob wit Ninjazz is how you like japanise stuff too bloody much- drives me mad! (:

[Odin]

hey guys count me in as judge or something! Michael isn't so bad human as I know, you should keep him in honour, he is my worst enemy, and that's great thign :D someguys need to have a rival, I have many of them from JCF and that's important for me, because rivalry can be seen as kind of friendship...

what

[LittleFreak]

If you use gay as an insult, homosexual people will probably feel attacked, and so get problems with you. Get it? Well, of course, why should those people care about what someone they don't even like says?

There are two different kinds of people. There are those dudes, which don't feel offended too easily, and the sensitive ones. The sensitive ones feel attacked very easily, and they mostly can't even help it. I'm one of the sensitive guys, so I know that. So if you use gay as an insult, even though you don't want to attack homosexuals a sensitive homosexual will feel insulted.

Oh, and there were many women who were astronauts. :P

For the thing about women, I agree an army should better consist of males, because they are better in fighting and such, but the other way around it's the same. Women are better than males in other things, and that was actually meant with equality.

[NinJazz]

Michael shut up (can't say am I serious) or you drive rivalry to friendship... (and sorry about that shut up)

[LittleFreak]

I guess this thread wasn't closed so far, because the reason I made this thread was NOT to attack Michael personally. If I did, the thread was closed. If others flame here, that's not the reason why the thread must be closed. Get it? ;)

[NinJazz]

PHT2

Location... Germany! I got it...

so? this may not be flaming or anything, but Michae lhas power to change it as... and as there reads in your sig (my wise words) flaming needs lighter!

[Fawriel]

Whee!
I forgot what I was going to say.
Uhm.
Where was I.
Ah, yes.
Odin, that wise quote goes into my signature.
Michael, what you said about women sucks. Aadsadsa
And what Radium said about his game idea was a joke. Not meaning that it has no meaning. Sheesh, like you don't understand the concept of ironical jokes.
There is simply too much to reply to here. =P
I guess Michael's reply to Odin is a good point to start.
You labelled Odin as a geek and said he worshipped books. I don't think you know Odin. I don't know whether he reads a lot, either. You assumed that he's whatever you understand under the term "geek" because he happened to come up with a pretty and intelligent quote.
The meaning of quotes is not "to feel smart". Not to mention that your usage of the word "smart" is starting to annoy me more than any obsession with Japanese stuff ever could, people use quotes like that one because they DID understand them and DID agree with them. And someone has always formulated something you want to say in a more pretty and compact way, and if you have a well-known and intelligent person on your side, it makes more of an impact. That's the soul of debating. It's not much different than science. You could run around yelling that the earth is a disc swimming around in space on a giant turtle and people would think you're either insane, retarded, or advertising a famous book. But if you actually had someone like Albert Einstein back up that "theory", they'd at least listen. It has nothing to do with "look at me i kno a quote i so smart =D", it's a matter of convincing the other. And providing food for my signature.

I wonder why the heck I'm replying anyway. Guess I'm bored, too. Whee!

EDIT:
Oh, and in reply to PHT's post, I'm.. a rather extreme case of sensitive people. I even feel offended if something is attacked that doesn't even even have anything to do with me. *cough*

[NinJazz]

this is cool fight... I think between Odin and Michael... and, Michael, (now I don't want in any kind be mean or racist) but you are Israeli? I can say if you are tellin' Germans as nazi you can go look mirror if you want see human you have good reason to be rude to...

[LittleFreak]

Ninjajazz, actually Michael did NOT say Germans are nazis. First I thought he did, but he meant the part of Germany which was ruled by Hitler 60 years ago by the time it was ruled by Hitler. He does NOT say Germans are nazis. Also, I don't see a reason why Israelis should be nazis either.

Oh, and I put that quote of you into my signature because I like to put quotes into my signature for now reason. xD

And actually, this should not be a fight at all. The topic was meant to solve problems, not fight with Michael. ;-)

[Nitro]

PHT, There is no reason why homos will feel attacked if I call someone gay. How does it effect them when someone says gay as in happy? anyway they should put up with it or make up with it since that's one of it's common uses today, if they think it's bad then they should first concider what they are doing.
The sensitive people are gay. They have a problem about feeling offended, they got to deal with it and become less sensitive and more logical like (me) or someone who doesn't care or take offense over a computer. You could concider them nerds too for caring too much over the comp. They have a problem and should help it, "can't help it"? that's a problem too- check out my quote about problems in my sig. ((: You are one of the sensitive ones? surprises me, but I won't change what I said, none the less.
Yeah I am sure woman do plenty stuff better than men, I am reasonable, and wouldn't think there is nothing a woman can do better, and I am not talking JUST about alot of the house work, like a guy wouldn't be good at switching nappies or whatever.

Ninjazz, I didn't understand the first post, but about the second- I got no interest in starting fights, only fighting them. [:

Faw, I find it annoying how people are always trying to be smart and pretend they don't understand one either.
About the quotes it's pretty right but he stuck in into the debate and it just looks silly.
I think that it sucks that if you have an insane or retarded theory then nobody will listen unless you got Einstein or someone behind you...I didn't understand what that part had to do with it, but since ya typed it I just said my opinion about it.

Ninjazz, I lived in Israel from age 7 (came from Englang). I ain't Jewish like most Israelis, nor am I very patriotic. Nor does the Holocaust bug me much, sure it sucked and those people did terrible things, but I find it boring going to it's memorial ceremony every year and I find it boring studying about it or haveing to do a school assignment on it. So that's just me saying how me living in Israel hasn't got anything to do with me saying Nazi-Germany however I would or could have meant it. (:

[Nitro]

PHT, yeah solve problems I agree too that's what I am trying to do too. Ninjazz meant that as an Israeli I could be like generalizing and emitionally hating all germans and like being impulsive and stuff cos we got a big connection to the holocaust.....but no he was wrong. (:

[Stijn]

Flash, the time you hated me must have been when you were behaving like a nerd too much.

One of the things I still dont like about you ;)

[Nitro]

What don't you like there? (;

[R3ptile]

Keep calling them gays\nerds. I'm sure they'll love you.

[NinJazz]

we will love Michael? tell me have you been playin' baseball ever (maybe you have got few strikes with bat to head?)

[R3ptile]

we will love Michael?
That's called sarcasm. :rolleyes:

[Stijn]

It's pretty annoying when whenever someone brings up a topics that requires some intellectual knowledge or is about science he/she is called a nerd.

[cooba]

tell me have you been playin' baseball ever (maybe you have got few strikes with bat to head?)Sig.

Michael you must be a nerd if you can make such long gay rants d: I claim this gay page as well nerd d:

[Fawriel]

I'll just say that most people here aren't trying to be smart; they actually are. DRAMA!
( When they act like they don't understand something, they probably want to show you how ridiculous something you said actually is. )

Done already! Whee! =D

[Tubz]

It's pretty annoying when whenever someone brings up a topics that requires some intellectual knowledge or is about science he/she is called a nerd.

No one does that here. But I just decide to refrain from posting in those kinds of topics, because I can't stand then.

[Alister]

Come on. If someone in real life was behaving the way Michael behaves, for this long, you'd probably just ignore them.

Now, three guesses. What are you not doing?

The evidence suggests that there's no point in discussing anything with him until his attitude has changed. The people arguing, for whom he displays very little respect, are not going to bring this about.

If you didn't keep trying to correct him, he wouldn't keep posting his retorts, and then you wouldn't have to correct him again, and then he wouldn't post more retorts, etc.

It takes two to tango. Michael is not the only one responsible for the shoddy quality of discussion on this board.

[Tubz]

This takes me back to the Neo vs. the state of the JCF case in the topic "Warez Discussion" and of course numerous other topics.

Right, everyone involved is responsible, there is no right or wrong people, It's a bunch of opinions and basic thuganomics (arguing).

[Fawriel]

Halleluja! =D

[Nitro]

Rep I am not looking for their love, just having my fun I guess.

Lol Ninjazz ((:

Glad to be annoying then flash... |:

Cooba I dunno what to say to that, I guess it's one of my pleasures though arguing with you guys about stuff.

Faw you misunderstanding me here mate, I would type smart and the three letter word for backside, but it gets blocked, so I gotta just write smart. and smart+backside gives it the other meaning I guess.

Toxic you could slap them up too hehe.
My attitude stays, it's perfectly fine, people just have problems with my opinions apparntly.
If my retorts means telling people they are acting like a smarta then you got that so right there man, thanks.
And you third point there is also a nie defense for me mate, thank you.

[Tubz]

Conclusion: This is how I would end my essay. It would be childish to say in conclusion, so I will just sum it up the best way I can.

[Insert 5 spaces/tab key]Michael is someone who likes arguing; like just about everyone else on this board. No one has freedom of speech completely, but to a great extent or mostly; however everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Of course, I would probably get a bad grade since that is not five to eight sentences.

[Nitro]

I'd accept that and not fail you on that Deriv.

[Tubz]

You are a great teacher. Lol, oh you know what owns. I have one teacher who doesn't believe in tests.

Unfortunately, he is not a teacher of any major class. He is my Aesthetics of Film teacher. A class where you watch movies and answer questions either individually and as a group. Electives own, period.

[Nitro]

That's how it is- best teachers in the useless subjects, and a senile pain in the butt for your most important classes... \:

[Tubz]

Yep. My English teacher is pretty annoying.

[Chiyu]

Despite I don't always agree with his ideas, I get along with Michael pretty well. : )

[Derby]

A significant number of personal attacks was posted in this thread and has heated this topic up. If such discussion continues, those who post offensively beyond this post will have the offensive content removed with the equivalent amount of warnings attached. If this is too difficult, the topic will be closed.

[NinJazz]

woah, even Cooba is using my quotes in sig...

[Nitro]

CB, I agree but we will get along worse now since I will give you alot of crap about you changing to a japanise name.
Ninjazz, yeah, the people who quote us feel like they make a fool out of us, but usally it's just flattaring and good to see our name in their sig.

[Chiyu]

Chinese name, actually.

[LittleFreak]

Michael, really, it's not possible to change that. I've tried many times, but I am sensitive and will ever be. What your sig says is good, but only if it's possible to solve something. Someone who has no legs anymore can't walk, can he? Same with sensitive people, they can NOT help it. They are like they are, which you must accept, otherwise you will get problems again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again ... you know what..

Besides that, I don't consider being sensitive a problem. Girls like that. xD

[Fawriel]

My hero! =D

[Nitro]

CB, japanise, chinese, same thing you know what I mean.
PHT, I ain't a negative person, and I don't believe a problem can't be solved, somehow. No legs? so he has a problem, but he can get around with his wheelchair and still do certain other things.
Yeah but you wanna be liked by guys as well as girls...next to a girl I will also act sensitive and stuff cos that's how they are and that's what they like.

[Fawriel]

Yeah but you wanna be liked by guys as well as girls...next to a girl I will also act sensitive and stuff cos that's how they are and that's what they like.
Good job for always acting like yourself.

[Nitro]

What ya mean Faw.

[Odin]

I had a talk with one of my friends on IRC.

[19:19:12] (helo hep c) I don't think he'll actually get a g/f with that attitude.=P
[19:19:28] (ThO_Odin314) yeah
[19:19:36] (ThO_Odin314) He says he doesn't act like that in real life
[19:19:44] (helo hep c) lol?
[19:19:47] (ThO_Odin314) yeah
[19:19:52] (ThO_Odin314) lol indeed
[19:19:53] (helo hep c) Then he should act like how he acts irl on the forums.;l
[19:19:57] (ThO_Odin314) yeah
[19:20:09] (helo hep c) I mean, I act like how I am, not as another personality.
[19:20:37] (ThO_Odin314) yeah

Think it fits well.

In other news, GOD EXISTS.

[NinJazz]

Chiyu?????? Chinese!? I am not sure... but japanese and chinese are not in anyway same thing!!!!! for example, in chinese the words feng shui means stormy waters/ocean but in japanese it is fu mizu or kaze mizu, because in japanese ng is not usual as in chinese!!!! (teehee, I did it again!)

[LittleFreak]

As it seems Michael got banned, this topic can be closed. It's sad that we never got to solve that argument.

[Tubz]

Now I wonder who the real bad guy was, or maybe everyone was good and bad, so basically everyone results to neutral status.

[LittleFreak]

EDIT: I heard it's only his second ban, so he will probably come back sooner or later. The sad thing is, until that the topic will be gone and it was all for nothing.
:-(

For Deriv's question, I'd say "both sides" had good and bad points. Michael often acted/acts ignorant and disrespecting. However, some people seem to take everything he says as an attack/disrespecting/insult/whatever, which is not always the case.

[Blaze The Movie Fan]

(FTR) Actually some people wants but real anti-spammers don't want you back!!!!

[Flame tag removal. Don't attack people. - FQuist]

[Tubz]

Eh yea, I feel sorry for you TBM.

Right, and now Michael will get flamed a whole lot in the mean time, real nice.

[LittleFreak]

Blaziken, Michael is maybe annoying sometimes, but he does not spam more than others do. There's a difference being ignorant and spamming. Also, you cannot speak for others, if what you say isn't true.

[Blaze The Movie Fan]

At least the Punishment in the memory Michael thread is now actived!

[Torkell]

*munches popcorn*

[Blaze The Movie Fan]

At least the Punishment in the memory Michael thread is now actived!

Too bad that FQuist dis-actived that!

[aokmaniac13]

Holy *explitive deleted*!
I've seen far worse than this, without anyone becoming banned (though grudges form that last a lifetime.)

I'd better watch what I post...

In the meantime for those who are ok with ok with the occasional (*explitive deleted* loads of) curse words, this is what I'm used to seeing.
http://ddm.i-xcell.com/features/gohanteaser.html

This conversation occurred after a long flamewar about how a group called MREV (Mugen Revolution) supposedly claim themselves as the gods of mugen (never happened)

Derby: Notation clearance. The notation was bolded because it was otherwise difficult to note within the post.

[Blaze The Movie Fan]

Derby: Notation clearance. The notation was bolded because it was otherwise difficult to note within the pst.

Hmm, that's wierd, why can't I see italic "This post has been edited by Derby" under a line of your sig?

[LittleFreak]

Blaziken, no offense, but if you are not willing to solve the argument with Michael, leave this topic please.

For what Derivate said, yes, it's sadly true.

[Tubz]

Ok, all I have to say at least, goes out to TBM and Odin. Did you guys even bother to listen to what CT said in her topic? I guess not, because apparently you both want to still want to create more fights.

[FreeLance]

I think Michael's job here is done. Lots of posts about him, lots of people knowing who he is. Way to play into his hands, everyone.

[FreeLance]

Page claimed for great justice.

[Tubz]

You could have just edited your post, pfft.

Lance'o'lot good job on figuring out the game. Haha, yep so true, how did you know?

[Odin]

That's what i've been saying ALL ALONG.