Slight problem with text

[Violet CLM]

<img src="http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/GiantBees.png">
...huh? Anyone know what's going on here? They used to be quotation marks, of course.

[Fawriel]

=D=D
...well, that's interesting.


....And how did you make that fog appear?

[blurredd]

Slight problem or potentially useful discovery? I've been wanting to use giant letters for a long time. It might've helped if you posted exactly what you used for the text string. But anyway, it looks like it's time for testing.

[Violet CLM]

Well, I was trying to duplicate it by adding a few more characters, but then the B's stopped appearing, and they still weren't there when I tried again. In any case, here's what I have for the text string now, which I think is identical to what it was then but doesn't seem to be working anymore:
@@@@@WARNING! WARNING!@@Intruder Alert!@@@@# So much for "without Devan noticing"....
(The effect was indeed reproduced multiple times after first showing up, but it got lost when I tried to edit the level. Should have made a backup...)
Let's see, random bits of information... prior to the incident, I had gone through three different texts, none of them set to Vanish, and none containing character problems. I had one heart, and at one point a bubble shield but not anymore. That's probably all that might have any impact... my only notion is that it might have something to do with the numbers employed by the shield, but I don't really know.

[LittleFreak]

:-O

[Olsen]

Wicked!1

[Violet CLM]

http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/giantbees.j2l

Ok, there's the level it's happening in (yes, it's happening again, it works). To view the text, reach the battleship and stomp inside. If the B's don't show up when you first enter, go over to the right for a bit and come back. If they still don't show up, exit and try playing the level again. I don't really know what factors make them appear or not appear.
(You may comment on the level if you want, but keep in mind it's still heavily in progress.)

[blurredd]

I can't get the B's to show up, but I do like the idea the level uses.

Edit: I couldn't get anything on 1.23, but this is what I got for TSF: http://www.jazz2online.com/d3/missingletters.jpg

[LittleFreak]

http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/giantbees.j2l

Ok, there's the level it's happening in (yes, it's happening again, it works). To view the text, reach the battleship and stomp inside. If the B's don't show up when you first enter, go over to the right for a bit and come back. If they still don't show up, exit and try playing the level again. I don't really know what factors make them appear or not appear.
(You may comment on the level if you want, but keep in mind it's still heavily in progress.)

I don't have the tileset. :-(

Can you give me a link where to download it?

[Fawriel]

....And how did you make that fog appear?
;_;

[LittleFreak]

....And how did you make that fog appear?

Maybe with lighting over 100%? I'm not sure though.

[Stijn]

Search for "Project Hog" or "Project Fog" by n0b0dy, faw.

[Fawriel]

Yay! Thanks.

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

Hmm, not able to make the big B's show up after trying your suggestions, Violet.

[White Rabbit]

They look like the kind of giant letters you see when the text zoom in/spiral into the screen in JJ2's menu. At first the letters are gigantic but when they start to spiral in, they get smaller until they reach normal size. Could just be more faulty coding, which makes the lvl "borrow" the giant letter effect from JJ2's menu.

[LittleFreak]

They look like the kind of giant letters you see when the text zoom in/spiral into the screen in JJ2's menu. At first the letters are gigantic but when they start to spiral in, they get smaller until they reach normal size. Could just be more faulty coding, which makes the lvl "borrow" the giant letter effect from JJ2's menu.

Yeah, just like the "weird water effect" or whatever it's called Violet discovered a while ago.

[Violet CLM]

It's just getting the wrong sprites from the library. The font comes in several different sizes, and it's using the wrong ones.
TSF shot: Huh... weird. That text is just messed up in general somehow.
Faw: Probably something like Intensity30 and Red1, I forget the exact numbers, plus some pulze lights. It's all in the level.
Littlefreak: http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=2223
(*tries to remember discovering a "water effect"*)

[LittleFreak]

(*tries to remember discovering a "water effect"*)

http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/articles/view.php?articleID=255

Oh, and I'll check out the level soon, thanks for the link to the tileset.

[Violet CLM]

I don't know if that's really a water effect... and that article sucks anyway. It's woefully inaccurate and there's a lot of stuff I didn't say in it.

[blurredd]

I finally got the B's, but it was after running through the level with the "jjgod" cheat.

On second thought, I'm still lost.

[Olsen]

Hum, the B´s doesnot appear for me. Everything is normal.

[LittleFreak]

I don't know if that's really a water effect... and that article sucks anyway. It's woefully inaccurate and there's a lot of stuff I didn't say in it.

It looks a bit like water imo. I found the article pretty interesting to read.

A question, how can there be stuff in the article you didn't say, does that mean someone else wrote it? I'm kinda confused. :-O

EDIT:

You may comment on the level if you want, but keep in mind it's still heavily in progress.

I've played it. It's not much yet (like you said it's still in progress) though I liked the start. The idea with the bubbleshield was pretty original and fun. It took me a while untile I figured out I had to "follow" the pepperspray ammo. The B's didn't appear for me. But maybe it has something to do with that invisible hurting events used outside the space ship.

The level was not much so far, but what I've seen I liked a lot. Maybe later add some asteroids in the background if the tileset features them (didn't look at it yet).

[Violet CLM]

A question, how can there be stuff in the article you didn't say, does that mean someone else wrote it? I'm kinda confused. :-O

I wrote it, but I have since learnt more about it, and it is thus incomplete.

[LittleFreak]

I wrote it, but I have since learnt more about it, and it is thus incomplete.

Ah, understood. :)

Still I liked it.

[Violet CLM]

<img src="http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/giantb!!.PNG">
(Screenshot by Cooba, used with permission.)

Odd as it seems that this should happen twice within a small time frame, here's another example of the B's. It looks like an edited screenshot, based on the x position, but Cooba says it's because the rest of the number is missing... which suggests a reason that this happens. (And I guess the hearts are also missing?)
I'm guessing this is basically the same thing as when you host a big level, and people have various letters missing when they join the server, which is later fixed when they rejoin as they're not downloading anymore. (See also: MCE's in multiplayer.) So, when the level is really big (as Cooba says this Raging Inferno level is), or just is somewhat straining (lighting more than 100% has been known to cause problems for JJ2 before), sprites can occasionally go missing or get replaced. Oddly, it was again quotation marks that were replaced by the B's, suggesting that maybe some other characters would create other giant letters?

[cooba]

Plug to the level (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=3469)

You can check it by yourself now, gg. ;p

[Fawriel]

=D=D

[Nielsje]

Ah, it happened to me too in the Battleships level. But not the first time.

First time: normal letters
Second time: normal letters
Third time: some letters missing like in BlurredDs shot
Fourth time: some letters missing like in BlurredDs shot
Fifth time: Big B's.
All later checks: Big B's.

[Ðx]

It happend to me in The Lost World Episode

[LittleFreak]

It did not happen to me in Fawriel's "Fragile Existence" (the shot Violet posted), nor in The Lost World Episode.

If it happened in LWE, over-lighting or big sized levels can't be the source of the problem, as LWE does not have lighting over 100%, nor really big levels (if you ask me).

Fragile Existence is fairly big (at least it took me some time to play), about lighting I don't think (though I'm not sure).

[Stijn]

[screenshot of fragile existence]

What I wonder is why the horizontal position seems to be 0 while the rabbit is standing in the middle of the screen.

[cooba]

@Flash
I'm guessing this is basically the same thing as when you host a big level, and people have various letters missing when they join

[Violet CLM]

Semi-pointless revival, but look, it works in multiplayer!
<img src="http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/bees1.jpg">
<img src="http://www.tachyonlabs.com/sam/bees2.jpg">

This was after I changed the gamemode to Single Player and people were firing lots and lots of weapons. Various characters were no longer showing up (x, y, w, 6, 7, 8, 9, and most of the special ascii letters), and obviously quotation marks got switched to B's again. It's fun to be able to type them.
Interestingly, at one point I got killed, and the BUMMER DUDE text appeared. However, the B in it (which should be standard large size, inbetween chat and giant) was chat sized. Odd. The other letters in the message were fine.

[Blackraptor]

I wasn't even in the screenie either though I was there =(.

This happend sorta like what happens in a big level and characters dissapear and you have to rejoin, maybe cause there's too much stuff ot handle. Lots of people in the server began using cheat codes (gametype was SP) like jjfire and stuff, and loosing a huge amount of ammo, so first some characters slowly started dissapearing (the o with the two dots above it, lower case w, y and z, numbers 6 - 9 etc) and the " marks turned to big Bs. was pretty cool, I have a few screenies of it too.

[Sonyk]

If I may add to that, it seemed to be dependent on the current player. When I saw the giant "b's" and lack of characters, others did not, and vice-versa. It seemed to be caused when in the vicinity of a person who used "jjfire."

[Blackraptor]

If I may add to that, it seemed to be dependent on the current player. When I saw the giant "b's" and lack of characters, others did not, and vice-versa. It seemed to be caused when in the vicinity of a person who used "jjfire."

I doubt that. everyone was in a small box. I think it was caused mroe by the gametype. In Treasure mode I couldnt see it, when I rejoined under SP and did the cheats myself i did.

[Sonyk]

Actully, that was my point, although not everyone was in the small box, some of us were also playing with cheats until someone used a laser shield (I think).

[Blackraptor]

personally, I didnt see anyone outside the box =P, or anyone using a laser for that matter (server couldve crashed because of excess lag from all the ammo discharge)

[Tubz]

I've seen this before a lot, It's caused by a variety of things such as version conflicts, game types, hex editing, etc...

[WaterRabbit]

Sorry for reviving this thread, but today while playing Rebirth of Evil I saw the giant B's in the level devres18. Sadly, I don't have a screenshot though, because I went to the next level before I could. You will just have to believe me.

[minmay]

Bad revival. Bad.

[NovaStar]

PAGECLAIM

Same as minmay. And what if I don't believe you? I'll be too fast if you try to capture me and throw me in a pit of... goo. =D But goo... I'll just say "maybe that's bad, maybe it's good =/". No off-ness intended.

[Camou]

PAGECLAIM

Same as minmay. And what if I don't believe you? I'll be too fast if you try to capture me and throw me in a pit of... goo. =D But goo... I'll just say "maybe that's bad, maybe it's good =/". No off-ness intended.

You fail.

Just something, once I joined a server, but upon joining the names disappeared, the menu missed letters and I couldn't talk, as like a CTO, but I still saw them. Whenever I got shot nothing worked, but I could kill other people and turn into a jumble of symbols... I couldn't see the .pos numbers, the people in the sever or the bauds and stuff.

And yes, the screen was cut off like that.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8613/jj2bug10ct.png

[CrimiClown]

If you look at the menu in that screenshot for a while, it moves. ^__^

[cooba]

Sorry for reviving this thread, but today while playing Rebirth of Evil I saw the giant B's in the level devres18. Sadly, I don't have a screenshot though, because I went to the next level before I could. You will just have to believe me.Thanks for the useful information man!!