JJ2 Bug Trivia

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

After a random incident when playing on JJ2 today BlurredD and I (mostly BlurredD) figured out a way for people to capture their own team's flag. Just for kicks I was wondering if people were able to come up with how this is done. :)

If no one can come up with a solutionin a few days, I'll post the answer - but it's really not that hard. Oh, and BlurredD, no giving it away please.

[blurredd]

http://www.jazz2online.com/d3/wrongflags.jpg

I wonder if this counts as giving it away.

[Olsen]

CooLNesS

[Violet CLM]

Blur looks funny with red shoes. I'll grab someone for experimentation later.

Edit: Oh, wait! It's an edited version of Tubelectric, with switched red and blue colors, and your fur colors are actually set to red, and those flags in the upper left are fake, and you have colored names! Except no.

[White Rabbit]

Aren't those red socks? :p

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

Please note that no cheating or hacking was required to get to the situation I descibed above and seen in BlurredD's picture.

[cooba]

Hmm... neat.

There's always that rare JJ2 bug, which gives you the flag of opposite team instantly when you join the server. So when you have a lag copy of yourself, it gives you red flag when you're red and vice versa?

[Pyromanus]

http://users.pandora.be/pyromanus/JJ2/TeamFlagCariers.gif
I know how =)

[blurredd]

Maybe it isn't the best idea to reveal how to do it.

[Radium]

I got it =D

http://foxmage.com/Raddywinsagain.gif

[White Rabbit]

Gasp! But how! ;) :p

[Tubz]

I give up, bleh forget CTF and It's many bugs.

[blurredd]

Heh, nice try Radium.

[Hybrid]

that was annoying
it messed up the whole game

personally i like battle mode better

[blurredd]

Annoying fun that is. And I personally prefer Jailbreak over all other gametypes.

[White Rabbit]

Would it be possible to start a battle game using a CTF lvl, make someone with a red name and red clothes join and make your own name blue with blue clothes (i.e. blue head-band, backpack, socks, guns, etc.). Then, use Controller to change the game mode to CTF and voila! You can, sort of, capture your own team's flag. ;P Well, ok, you're still capturing your opponent's flag, but it looks as if you've done the opposite.

[blurredd]

Yes, that would be possible.

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

However it's still possible without memory editing through programs like Controller.

[White Rabbit]

Is there a deadline for the answer?

[cooba]

Give it out already >O.

[Violet CLM]

I watched Pyro doing it so I am exempt. Kind of fun, though, and strangely logical.

[blurredd]

Fast fire seekers.

http://www.jazz2online.com/d3/ffseeks.jpg

http://www.jazz2online.com/d3/ffseeks2.jpg

Here's something that should be easier to figure out. Maybe too easy...

PS: I wonder if anyone is annoyed by all these huge images.

[Hybrid]

not be baby!
i got broadband! whooha!!!

that last question is easy, just get a gamepad with rapidfire.

[blurredd]

Okay, it's not that easy. Anyone can do it and without using a gamepad.

[Blackraptor]

A random guess for the first one, if its w/o using progs, then I'm guessing splitscreening or something?

[Violet CLM]

I get an effect like that when the game is really lagged. Show us your FPS.

[Pyromanus]

I know how =D
http://users.pandora.be/pyromanus/JJ2/BuggyFrozenSprings.gif

[White Rabbit]

Hm...I can easily do that with Gamehack...but I'm assuming you mean within JJ2 itself.

EDIT: I know Pyro is trying to help us with his hints, but I don't understand them? :(

[cooba]

Toaster + tnt + frozensrpings = lotsofun...;)

[Tubz]

Blah

That's so easy, how is that a bug?

[cooba]

That's so easy, how is that a bug?It is a bug because you can do it without hacking and/or lag so =D.

[Monolith]

I'm not actually answering BlurredD's post, but his screenshots reminded me of back in the day when I had to clear out ammo from Battle3 in the Battle Server.

<center><img src="http://madskills.org/temp/pic00006.gif"></center>
Ah, memories.

[blurredd]

I need to find more bugs and to screenshot them.

[Ragnarok!]

=OO

[Tubz]

Ergh, It's not a bug. Seekers are meant to be the most rapid fire button mashing weapon.

[blurredd]

Just to clear things up, I (and presumably Pyro) only had to press the fire button once for it to work. And it's a bug because I'm fairly sure that frozen springs were never meant to be used to make weapons fire rapidly. Sooner or later I'm going to incorporate that bug into one of my levels.

[Tubz]

Hmm. After much careful observation of everyone's shots. I have to say that yours and Monolith's look easy to do. Pyro's looks like a bug. I didn't exactly see what frozen springs had to do with any of your screenshots. And what do you mean pressing fire once? I don't believe that.

[cooba]

Pyro's looks like a bug.Maybe because this is a bug?I didn't exactly see what frozen springs had to do with any of your screenshots.Did anyone "exactly see" what did unmasked level borders to do with flagbug? JJ2's bugs are incredibly twisted. And what do you mean pressing fire once?That he pressed "fire" button once and loads of seekers were shot out.

[Tubz]

Yeah pr3tty much right on anything. I don't know anything about masks and tilesets...

[White Rabbit]

Solved seeker bug, solved flag bug.

Btw, the seeker bug works with ANY ammo, not just seekers. Frozen springs are essential. Big hint: they have to be pre-frozen. ;P

[blurredd]

True, but fast fire seekers are the coolest.

[White Rabbit]

I like fastfire RFs too. :p It makes more noise and it disturbs the neighbours.

I claim page 2.

[Nielsje]

Anyone knows something about this?

http://xlm.ncmv.net/huh.JPG

It seems like the bases are missing but scoring/capturing still works.

[White Rabbit]

:O *phones up Eagle*

[Blackraptor]

I've had that once or twice.

Sprites/Anims misplaced or something?

[White Rabbit]

But how do you get that bug?

[blurredd]

That's what happens when you play Security Breach v2 too often.

Edit: Actually, I got the same bug just now when I joined the LB server. I would assume it has something to do with what the server is using, since I've never seen this bug with this level anywhere else.

I also found a floating dot (it looked like the light from a speed trail but in one spot), which was what my red arrow was pointing to instead of the red flag:

http://www.jazz2online.com/d3/nobases.jpg

By the way, some springs seem to be missing as well. My only guess as to why this is happening is because the server is using the ghost thing that comes with PC4, but I somehow doubt it.

[White Rabbit]

I don't trust Blur's last comment at all. ;P Not after his tricks in my server last time...

[blurredd]

Heh, I think I would need to know exactly what's causing it first.

[Unhit]

I just discovered this thread right now. Neat stuff :D

[White Rabbit]

*Just*? Well, ok. :p

[blurredd]

I was undecided between this thread or a more recent one, but it felt more appropriate here even if it meant a revival (although this thread isn't that old). Anyway, below I posted a semi-ambiguous screenshot. It could be easy to figure, or it could take a while. And DizBob can't guess because I said so.

http://www.jazz2online.com/d3/anotherbug.jpg

[Blackraptor]

The part of the small pillar where you are is in layer 3, and the part where the pepper spray is is in layer 5?

[blurredd]

Nope. That's not it at all.

[White Rabbit]

I don't quite understand the screenshot...are you stuck in the wall or something? Or is it the way that black mass of tiles cover about 2/3 of a tile?

[Alex]

some wearder bug, when you get the flag in some servers, you lose it somehow, not by scoring or dieing, explain plz.

[blurredd]

Alex: In a word, lag. You've actually died but, because of lag you don't notice it. It usually only happens in really laggy servers.

As for my screenshot, I took it in Sacrifice in case you were wondering.

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

*wishes he could guess*

[White Rabbit]

YES! I'VE SOLVED IT NOT!

I have worked out where exactly in Sacrifice the bug happened, so I wonder if it HAS to be there or if it can take place anywhere? Oh, and it seems to me as if Blur's JJ2 screen has not been squeezed/compressed but has simply been made much thinner, while the heiht, I think, remains the same. Could be some kind of next lvl or death bug. NEED. MORE. DETAILS.

[blurredd]

I'm split between giving you 2 hints or not.

[fiendmm++]

I'm confused on the flag bug...... But, the seeker bug thingy is old news.

[White Rabbit]

You shouldn't have changed your signature, Blur. It just doesn't fit into the default JCF theme.

Hint: give me 2 hints.

[Stijn]

And the links blend into the background.

[blurredd]

I'm confused on the flag bug...... But, the seeker bug thingy is old news.How that flag bug is achieved might be better off left unrevealed since it could disrupt CTF games if it's abused. Then again, you can always kick/ban those who abuse it. Try figuring it out for yourself. And the seeker bug (although it works with any weapon) is indeed old, but I wanted to see who would get it.

To White Rabbit, I'm not giving you any hints but I will give you some advice. What you should do is find someone you know to work with, split up your resources, then together screen through all possible solutions.

And sers, what theme are you using that the links blend into background? I checked all of them and the closest ones that might cause a problem are the themes where the links are blue, but it's not that hard to read them.

Back on topic, I already have the next bug ready for posting once this one is solved.

[minmay]

I'm surprised nobody solved this. I didn't want to spoil it even though I knew it from the start, but here goes.

Blur is using splitscreen. He presses F3. That happens. Simple, no? Try it yourself.

[cooba]

He presses F3. That happens. Simple, no? Try it yourself.Last time I checked, F3 was not a JJ2 bug.

[minmay]

However, it will cause that if you are using splitscreen. Therefore, I win.

[Blackraptor]

However, it will cause that if you are using splitscreen. Therefore, I win.

You mean it will cause the pepper spray to be in front of layer 3?

[blurredd]

Minmay has got most of it. He's just missing one small part. And Blacky, in the screenshot, Spaz appears to be behind a background layer.

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

I think Minmay is close enough - the last part of the bug is easy to see when you actually try to splitscreen there.

[minmay]

*does a stupid victory dance*

[blurredd]

On to the next bug:

http://www.jazz2online.com/d3/flagcapture.png

Another easy one, but it isn't general knowledge. The level is 20x15, uses just one layer, and has only two events. And in case you're wondering, the start position is where the blue Jazz is.

So, the question is, how was the flag captured?

[Nielsje]

Ehm... the red rabbit kiled the blue rabbit at the point where the red rabbit is located, and the blue rabbit warped back to the start position. During this warp he grabbed the flag :p


...just an idea :)

[blurredd]

That's one method, but not how it was done. I probably should've been more specific, but instead I'll just say who's right and who's wrong.

[minmay]

Eh, I don't feel like answering any more. I'll just let other people get them.

On a side note, I know this isn't the right answer but they could have wallclimbed.
Of course, then they'd have to use Spaz...

[Ragnarok!]

You used a megawarp or cheat file ;)

[cooba]

Come to think of it, there must be a reason why are the names set not to show up.

[KRSplat]

First Bug: The same way how when you die at a flag, you might be regenerated with the flag. Except you die at your own flag.

[blurredd]

I updated the screenshot (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=286074&postcount=72) for my latest bug so it's less deceptive. Try figuring it out now.

[Ragnarok!]

I still think that one is too hard. I think its a splitscreen game though.

[blurredd]

No splitscreens were used, Ragnarok. Try recreating the level and conducting some tests if you think it's too hard.

[blurredd]

I was hoping that more people would try to figure out the latest bug since it exposes a flaw present in most TB levels and gives attention of another flaw. But, since EvilMike knows what it is, and Dizzy figured it out (it's not that difficult really), I might just post the answer soon.

[CrimiClown]

I don't have a clue... :confused:

[blurredd]

It helps to do some testing first, and it has a somewhat similar answer to the first bug in this thread.

[blurredd]

Since no one else has the answer, I'll explain the bug. The first thing you need to know is how JJ2 handles player positions for clients that join or rejoin a server. Better yet, I'll just focus on rejoining players. So it's known that the server stores positions of players after they leave, as seen in the seeker hole problem. And most people would assume that the player position (where you could see a "lag clone") simply moves from where the first client left to where the new player starts in the level. That's not the case since there's an extra path in the middle, which is one to the top left, and then to the start position. I'm not sure exactly why it happens, but it does. In case you got lost in my explanation, here's an image that should help:

http://www.jazz2online.com/d3/flagcapture2.png

Capturing a flag on rejoin isn't as much of a problem as capturing a flag through death (not necessarily dying on the flag) or through warping since these last two cases can happen often within a single game. Fixing all of these problems isn't needed for a normal CTF level, but should be a concern in making levels for gametypes such as Team Battle and Assassination. My solution (for TB) looks something like this:

|| BB-W1 RB-W2
||
Playing ||
area ||
||
WT3 WT4 || W3-WT1 W4-WT2

BB=Blue Base System
RB=Red Base System
W=Warp
WT=Warp Target

The "base system" (as I'm calling it) is just two bases for the same team properly set up within tubes going to the right. All of the bases are placed at the top right of the level (the higher the better). The pipes divide the two areas of the level, and each dash indicates the two should be connected (most likely with tubes). The start positions and the Jail 2 concept should be placed to the left of each base system. I highly recommend aligning the warp from the base system with the warp target below, and making that warp target as close to the bottom as possible. WT3 and WT4 in my example can be placed just about anywhere in the playing area (I also recommend using different ID's for the warp targets that lead to the arena, but it is optional). Of course if you understand everything I've mentioned and can see why I designed my system that way, you can just use whatever system you feel like using without having any problems. This is all I have to say on this subject for now.

[White Rabbit]

Couldn't you just physically avoid the problem by building your TB level so that no matter where you die, you cannot possibly capture the flag by going, via the shortest route, I presume, to the top-left corner? If you, for example, are planning to build a rectangular level, you could just place both bases in the top-right corner instead, because that's the opposite direction in which people leave/rejoin.

[EvilMike]

<a href="http://www.evilmike.mynuts.org/jj2/TurboTurtle2.avi">click here</a>

Just found this out by accident today. Pretty fun, although not that easy to use practically. The link will lead you to a small avi file which demonstrates the turbo turtles.

I'll post the j2l file I recored this in once someone figures out what I did.

[White Rabbit]

I don't have the right codecs. What did you use?

[EvilMike]

Spotty did the encoding for me, since I don't have the right software. He used a very common one though. I'll tell him to post here.

[Stijn]

Without looking at that movie I predict that it contains Tuf Turtles that were given hyper walking speed by damaging (but not killing) them with TNT. Am I right?

[White Rabbit]

Does TNT then have a damaging radius, as in, the closer enemies are to it, the more damage they receive?

[EvilMike]

Without looking at that movie I predict that it contains Tuf Turtles that were given hyper walking speed by damaging (but not killing) them with TNT. Am I right?

Correct. Also works with skeletons.