Karol Wojtyla died

[DanYjel]

Be sad, everyone. One of the greatest people in whole history gone. But gone to the Jesus. Hope, and pray for him, everyone.

[Hybrid]

its sad. hopefully well get another pope like him. he was truly a great man.

[Nielsje]

Indeed, it's a sad day. The man had his good sides and his bad sides, but it's sure that someone died today who was of great importance for the recent human history.

[DarkSonic]

Oh, man. So sad.
I don't watch the news alot, but this is something that's... sad.
Anyone knows how old he was?

[DanYjel]

Oh, man. So sad.
its sad. hopefully well get another pope like him. he was truly a great man.
Nobody will be like him.

Indeed, it's a sad day. The man had his good sides and his bad sides, but it's sure that someone died today who was of great importance for the recent human history.
What bad sides on John Paul II do you think?

Oh, man. So sad.
I don't watch the news alot, but this is something that's... sad.
Anyone knows how old he was?
84 years.

[Fawriel]

84 years. And btw, what bad sides on John Paul II did you think?
Against birth controls. Did not really help HIV positive 3rd world people.
Also ( translated by me, so might not be 100% accurate ):
"A woman is supposed to listen and obey. I do not permit any woman to teach or to raise herself over a man. After all, Adam was created first."-John Paul II, 1988

I sincerely apologize to anyone who might be offended by the lack of sympathy in this post.

[Blackraptor]

Even though I'm not religious, I've been hoping for him to get better. When I opened MSN, the first thing I saw was a picture of him looking cheerful, so I thought he got better, but then I scrolled down and it said he died D=.

May he rest in peace.

[GuMmYBeAr!]

He was human.

A thousand other humans died at the same time as he did.

[MaGoo]

That doesn't mean we shouldn't care.

[Kaz]

I will miss him for what he did for everybody I know...

... wow, I was done before he died.

That's human nature, you're not going to miss anybody that hasn't had an influence on you. If some child in Africa dies, the Media will make it a sad story, but you really aren't sad for that child, but only because the Media expects you to be sad.

[Monolith]

...Karol who?

[LittleFreak]

Against birth controls. Did not really help HIV positive 3rd world people.
Also ( translated by me, so might not be 100% accurate ):
"A woman is supposed to listen and obey. I do not permit any woman to teach or to raise herself over a man. After all, Adam was created first."-John Paul II, 1988

I sincerely apologize to anyone who might be offended by the lack of sympathy in this post.

Not to forget he's been a homophobe.

[sproedel]

Be sad, everyone. One of the greatest people in whole history gone. But gone to the Jesus. Hope, and pray for him, everyone.

i don't get this pope-thing. even tho i'm absolutely not religious, i think it's blashpemical to say that someone's the world's representative of god.

[Trafton]

May he rest in peace.

[Enigma]

I did not have a great deal of sympathy for this man really, and that won't change just because he's dead now. But I do hope he died with the least amount of suffering possible under the given circumstances.

[Nitro]

I don't care for him more than any other old geezer...I don't see the big deal either, he's no more than any other human.
What are the good things you speak about that he has done?

[Sasik]

He was the greatest man in the world and no one is able to just 'replace' him.
[']...

[cooba]

I just can't scream out loud how calling Him a homophobe stupid is.

Also ( translated by me, so might not be 100% accurate ):
"blablah"-John Paul II, 1988Guess what? Not only it's not 100% accurate, it's 0% accurate.

Mono: Karol Wojtyla was his real name FYI.

[Trafton]

He was the spiritual leader of millions of people and, even though I disagree with him politically and believe he was wrong to claim that condoms do not prevent AIDS, he was a man who I believe truly believed what he was doing bettered people.

I think that's worth showing respect to, folks.

[LittleFreak]

I just can't scream out loud how calling Him a homophobe stupid is.

I just can't believe how you can say/scream that without a reason why he was not.

[cooba]

It's like calling every single christian a homophobe because christianity forbids homosexuality. But fine, I will let you go with your <retarded> views.

[LittleFreak]

Well, the pope stands for Christianity, right?

[Nitro]

Can someone answer my question please..?

[DanYjel]

Against birth controls. Did not really help HIV positive 3rd world people.
Also ( translated by me, so might not be 100% accurate ):
"A woman is supposed to listen and obey. I do not permit any woman to teach or to raise herself over a man. After all, Adam was created first."-John Paul II, 1988

I sincerely apologize to anyone who might be offended by the lack of sympathy in this post.

I think there is nothing so bad on that. When you want be Christian, you must keep some rules. This is one from them.

And his opinions were subjective. Nothing is strictly bad.

[DanYjel]

He was human.

A thousand other humans died at the same time as he did.

+Reply to Michael's post.
He was human, who helped to milions of other to freedom. Pray for other humans too, I don't say it's bad.

[DanYjel]

It's like calling every single christian a homophobe because christianity forbids homosexuality. But fine, I will let you go with your <retarded> views.

There's nothing bad on homosexuality. And I think he was not homophobe. He apparentely din't had anything against homosexuals... But he was for that [IT] is for [next generation]. That's all.

[NinJazz]

wew, who is this Karol Wojtyla ... I agree with Gummybear :)

[sproedel]

I think there is nothing so bad on that. When you want be Christian, you must keep some rules.

thus every woman with some sense of self-respect probably doesn't want to be a christian...

[DanYjel]

thus every woman with some sense of self-respect probably doesn't want to be a christian...
no no no no no. John Paul II wanted to make tradition alive. Woman cooks and man works. What's so bad on that? (It's okay when you do something what you don't 100% like and then you can go to Jesus for always, no?)

[Enigma]

Ah yes, but has anyone ever asked the woman if she wouldn't rather work than cook? These traditions were created in times where women didn't really have much say in these matters. There's nothing bad about breaking traditions when they obviously don't fit into the current times anymore. You know, like times in which men have come to the conclusion that women are more than brainless machines that raise children and cook.

[Nitro]

Danyjel what freedom are you on about? and who, which millions? wouldn't they have something about that on the news or something.
EDIT: if you mean missionary then that's not an objective view of freedom, that's like saying having free beliefs is being unfree, and being conformed to certain beliefs is free=very dumb. And how do you free people? by saying "join christianity or die"?

Women still are brainless machines the raise children and cook though, Enigma. They just let a few slip through to higher tasks to shut up the feminists.

[LittleFreak]

Women still are brainless machines the raise children and cook though, Enigma. They just let a few slip through to higher tasks to shut up the feminists.

That's the most stupid thing I've heard today.

[maverick]

He was the greatest person in this century.

May he rest in peace ...

[GuMmYBeAr!]

my god michael. haha. (FTR)

[Flame tag removal -FQuist]

[LittleFreak]

my god michael. (FTR)

I'd say forever. :P

[DanYjel]

Danyjel what freedom are you on about? and who, which millions? wouldn't they have something about that on the news or something.
EDIT: if you mean missionary then that's not an objective view of freedom, that's like saying having free beliefs is being unfree, and being conformed to certain beliefs is free=very dumb. And how do you free people? by saying "join christianity or die"?

Women still are brainless machines the raise children and cook though, Enigma. They just let a few slip through to higher tasks to shut up the feminists.

Communism in Poland, Czechoslovakia, whole Europe (+ capitalism).

[DanYjel]

Ah yes, but has anyone ever asked the woman if she wouldn't rather work than cook? These traditions were created in times where women didn't really have much say in these matters. There's nothing bad about breaking traditions when they obviously don't fit into the current times anymore. You know, like times in which men have come to the conclusion that women are more than brainless machines that raise children and cook.

okay i said it little (so not so little...) wrong. Of course, some women are good in working, some in cooking. That's okay. But what's bad on that women can't be priest?

[cooba]

wew, who is this Karol Wojtyla...>O

[LittleFreak]

But what's bad on that women can't be priest?

What's wrong with women being priests?

[MaGoo]

my god michael. (FTR)

(PA)

[Personal attack edit. Next time you do this you get a warning. And please refrain from quoting messages that are out of bounds. -FQuist

[R3ptile]

R.I.P. :(

[Nitro]

(-). And why do you think I care what I say on the forum, I don't say those things in real life infront of girls.

Danyjel you don't really answer me there..

[Too specific. - FQuist]

[DanYjel]

R.I.P. :(
you said rest in pieces?

[DanYjel]

...
Danyjel you don't really answer me there..
You don't understand? We here lived almost 40 years in communism, but that great pope (certainly not only he) saved our freedom. (Before WW2 we had the best living standard in the world, with communistics we lost that everything.) Of course, he had it easier than other people, he had respect. But he availd it. We fighted.

[R3ptile]

Women still are brainless machines the raise children and cook though, Enigma.
Oh shut up.
(Sorry, I couldn't resist..)

[cooba]

TBM >> Michael

[Fawriel]

Hmm.. looks like there was only one argument worth replying to.

Danyjel, I'm sorry if I am offending you. You have your reasons to greatly respect him, and you are also mature enough not to attack anyone who does not have that respect, and I appreciate that.
But being catholic does not have to necessarily make you narrow-minded. Why should a Pope not be able to think by himself? If each and every pope is supposed to think the same way, they might as well let a machine do the job...
What I mean to say is that a man with such power could do more good and less bad than he did. He did many good things, I'm sure, but most of us did, right? We just don't have the power this man had...
I apologize again. I can't think straight at the moment.
The bible is relative. It does not say "women are mindless tools made to have sex with". Or anything like it. A theologist has to interpret the bible in their own way.

I'll stop now and maybe say more when my head is clearer.
And Cooba, a reply of yours to this is not asked for.

[Newspaz]

Women still are brainless machines the raise children and cook though, Enigma. They just let a few slip through to higher tasks to shut up the feminists.

I've been wondering for months now, and just tell me. Is this an act you put up or are you actually being serious?

[Kaz]

I say we cut his right hand off. Since Michael is so narrow minded he won't know what to do with the other one.
I thought the right hand dumped him for somebody better ;|...

The Pope... sure, may he rest in peace. Expect spite from people because to them, the pope was nothing but a catholic politician, and expect love because to others, the pope was indeed a saving god.

[Monolith]

wew, who is this Karol Wojtyla...Mono: Karol Wojtyla was his real name FYI.Him being Pope John Paul II. (Thanks Cooba)

I really haven't known much about the pope, but it sounded like he was a pretty good leader.

[Trafton]

Women still are brainless machines the raise children and cook though, Enigma. They just let a few slip through to higher tasks to shut up the feminists.

This will come as a surprise to the millions of women who have and will continue to contribute more to society than you will ever. Also, many of them could beat you up and snap your skateboard in half rather easily.

If you think that women exist only to cook and are incapable of intellectual thought, you're the one who is acting like a brainless machine here.

[Stormie]

I'm not a girl, but man do I know some girls who could beat the crap outta me. And that's not the end of it.

Personaly I think that was one stupid thing to say.

[LittleFreak]

Gummy I beat it with my left hand haha, but you wouldn't know eh.

That is one of the things I did not want to know.

you said rest in pieces?

No no, he means Rest In Pain!

[cooba]

He was the best pope ever. There won't be any more people like him. ;(

[Fawriel]

They should so make the African guy the new pope. That would rock.

[DanYjel]

That is one of the things I did not want to know.



No no, he means Rest In Pain!
Uff... I shocked, because I thought they found only his head and rest was in pieces... ;p

[cooba]

Has anyone noticed how does number 13 relate to Him?

[LittleFreak]

No.

[DanYjel]

They should so make the African guy the new pope. That would rock.
Hardly not. I really want some European, and hardly not Italic (;p). Some Slavonian (by the way, from Europe candidates is one from hottest our Czech cardinal)... Worse thing is that it's real, hottest candidates are from Latin and South America and Africa. They have different culture, and... no.
I think I will never respect another pope than John Paul II...
By the way, don't you know when will be next council?

[Fawriel]

Has anyone noticed how does number 13 relate to Him?
Eh. I'm not sure about this at all, but I distantly remember having read that in hebrew, the numbers one and three spoken after another sound like the hebrew word for God.

[cooba]

It's not really what did I want, but... close.<hr>If Pope didn't he die, he'd be 85 in somewhere in May.

8 + 5 = 13<hr>He died on 37 past 21.

2 + 1 + 3 + 7 = 13<hr>He died on April 2nd, 2005.

2 + 4 + 2 + 5 (zeros skipped) = 13<hr>He was chosen for a Pope when he was 58.

5 + 8 = 13 (same story as in death age)<hr>April 2nd, 2005 was 13th Saturday of 2005.<hr>The last female who has seen God's Mother in Fatima died in 13th February.<hr>

And so on...

[DanYjel]

Has anyone noticed how does number 13 relate to Him?
Assassination, too

[Strato]

I apoligize. This thread was created to honor a great spiritual leader, and instead it has boiled down into a thread equally mixed with spam and attacks. I nearly joined in on this before I realized that what I was saying was in-appropriate for this topic, along with many of the replies here.

R.I.P. Karol

[NinJazz]

Cooba Guy is genious :S ... but I bet this Karol was just human as others :) anyway ,RIP (Rest In Pie :) , yummy pie )

[DanYjel]

I apoligize. This thread was created to honor a great spiritual leader, and instead it has boiled down into a thread equally mixed with spam and attacks. I nearly joined in on this before I realized that what I was saying was in-appropriate for this topic, along with many of the replies here.

R.I.P. Karol
Yes. I wanted to write it right now. Please offense him another time, John Paul II was great man, and I didn't create this for your fun by offensing him. Please... And thanx, Strato.

[Tubz]

Michael....Michael...Michael, man you really know how to speak your mind, dont you?

Anyway, R.I.P. John Paul our Pope the second, you will always be remembered for your benevolent actions throughtout your life.

[Nitro]

Jeez why do you jump on my shovinist humour and not on my proper arguments and points... Newspaz that is an act, or a joke, to answer your question.
Danyjel, the pope didn't stop communist, the allied forces did. Your pope still seems to me like an old man with too much bloody attension.
Stormie, if girls can beat you up then you are a wimp or are talking about women from like female boxing leagues and stuff.
Littlefreak nobody is forcing you to read my posts.
Tubz there is nothing to know about speaking your mind. All you need to do is say what you think, and it's so much easyer over the internet, but I do it in real life too- it's fun! unfortunatly, people don't accept half your opinions and delete/edit them, but that is another story.
In conclusion: just another 89 year old plant died, he is over valued, over rated, and I hope this doesn't count as a PA to the pope...but I don't think it counts anyway because he's dead.

[Nitro]

Oh and someone said something about chicks beating my up and break a skateboard...uhh what's that got to do with it, make sense please whoever it was.

[LittleFreak]

Littlefreak nobody is forcing you to read my posts.

I should've thought of that years ago.

[Stijn]

Sometimes I think that the way the pope suffered is proof God doesn't exist.

Oh well, RIP or something. Can't say I really care more than if for example Jiang Zemin, or whoever leads China at the moment, died. Though it's a lot closer seeing I was 3 metres away from John Paul II a few months ago, when he looked pretty okay, and now he's dead... But I guess it's always strange to know someone who you saw in real life died.

[Tubz]

I just want to know why the hell you said that about women, that was really uncalled for, like saying the pop was an old geizer. Calling any old person a geizer is kind of rude.

[LittleFreak]

I just want to know why the hell you said that about women, that was really uncalled for, like saying the pop was an old geizer. Calling any old person a geizer is kind of rude.

I agree it's rude, but remember we are talking about Michael.

[Tubz]

Right, and really maybe you guys should take this off the board. I don't care if your talking about Micahel, I'm just stating my opinion as well, and this topic is about the pope's death, not Michael.

[Nitro]

Calling him a geezer might be rude yeah. So cut the word geezer out of my post and you get "what's the differance between the pope dying or anyother old person?".
Instead of facing my point, and tryign to prove why the pope is so valued (or to my opinion; over-rated), you are flaming me over my choice of language and extreme opinions, which is just as bad...or fun. [:

[Stijn]

You got a point. It's easier to substract your actual message from your post if you use less "extreme lagnuage" though.

[Tubz]

Yes, Mikey you have to learn to cut harsh words out of your posts.

[Unhit]

Rest in peace. I'm atheist, but can understand it's a very sad time for many others :\

You don't understand? We here lived almost 40 years in communism, but that great pope (certainly not only he) saved our freedom. (Before WW2 we had the best living standard in the world, with communistics we lost that everything.) Of course, he had it easier than other people, he had respect. But he availd it. We fighted.

Eum where do you live :p? (sorry for the offtopic)

[DanYjel]

Rest in peace. I'm atheist, but can understand it's a very sad time for many others :\



Eum where do you live :p? (sorry for the offtopic)
Czech Republic (under Poland (I know you've known))

[Nitro]

Sers I talk how I talk, the problem is not with me since if I we're in there place I would probably stick in a come-back to any insult, but I also answer all their points, or all the points I don't agree with.
Tubz, it takes harsh words to convay harsh opinions, and it sometimes has to be more harsh since it's completely to the contrary of the full majority here.

[Unhit]

Lol "under" ;)
And yes I knew. =P

[DanYjel]

(didn't know this will be three-paged topic)

okay, not so under...

[Nitro]

I claim this page in the name of the anti-christ, I'm not on his side, but deffinatly not in your pope side. [:

[Tubz]

Man, make up your mind already. You said you are religious...

[Nitro]

Feels like your talking to me Tubz. But I'm doubting it because I never said I was religious...?

[MaGoo]

OMG MICHAEL UR SUCH A REBEL!!!! ;O ;O ;O

[Link]

Danyjel, the pope didn't stop communist, the allied forces did.

That's a completely incorrect and ignorant statement. "Allied forces" had nothing to do with stopping communism - in fact many of the Allied forces in WWII were communists. Communism in Europe ended in the 1990's, and though it's impossible to say exactly what ended it, many people attribute the pope as contributing (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/03/pope.gorbachev/index.html).

[Tubz]

Michael, wrong. You did say that you believed in God, thus, making you relgious.

[Nitro]

Link my bad, I meant the Americans stopped communism in the cold war I think, or it was later on actually, yeah. But what did or could the pope have done to stop commies?!

[Nitro]

Tubz,
Religious=someone who believes in a religeon, follows a religeon.
I don't follow a religeon so I am not religious.
I believe in god, and I ain't talking about your jeses' christian version of god, or the jews one, or all those greek guys, or some buddah-sumo dude in a orange dress. I simply believe that there's a higher power and creator of man kind. And religeon is a creation of mankind.