Which weapon(s) do you concider useless?

[CrimiClown]

The title says it all. I was wondering which weapon(s) YOU'd never use. Explain and note single player or multiplayer.

I never use RF Missiles (5) in single player since I don't think they are very good, both at damaging and accuracy. Also, the explosion causes a bad on my walking habits... :p

In multiplayer, though, this weapon is quite useful if you have LOTS of it. ;)

[cooba]

All weapons find their inventive uses every now and then. Also, you forgot the Whammo Ammo ;<

[LittleFreak]

I use all weapons in single player. In multiplayer Freezer is useless (before you can freeze and kick someone he has already hit you with seekers), pepperspray has a too low range and TNTs don't do damage in multiplayer so aren't very useful either. I like to smash the ice crates in battle2 though, jump over the ammo and hear my friend curse me because he accidentally collected the stupid ice ammo. :P

[cooba]

In multiplayer Freezer is uselessStop limiting yourself to official gametypes and then call weapons "useless".pepperspray has a too low rangeYou seem not to have noticed that Pepper Spray's range is in fact the highest one in the entire game when you shoot it while running.TNTs don't do damage in multiplayer so aren't very useful either.Ground Force, sir. And One Spot (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=2993) is a good example of making TNT useful as well I think.

[Sasik]

Everything is useful, even in multiplayer ( like CTF ), it just depends on situation.

[LittleFreak]

And you please accept other people's opinions. Pepperspray might have the highest range when shot while running. The problem is though, that a multiplayer game (like battle) is fast paced and before I even have the time to select pepperspray my enemy has shot a few seekers and pawned me. RFs and seekers rule the game.

Besides, the question is "which weapons do you consider useless?". If I find them useless they are useless for me in the gametypes I'm playing. That does not mean they're not useful in ground force, but I'm not playing ground force at all.

[Fawriel]

Since I don't play multiplayer ( can't ) and I'm a terribly pennywise person in games ( I never use limited amounts of something unless I really have to ), all weapons except for the blaster and the occasional seeker and flamethrower.

[CrimiClown]

Besides, the question is "which weapons do you consider useless?". If I find them useless they are useless for me in the gametypes I'm playing. That does not mean they're not useful in ground force, but I'm not playing ground force at all.

He's right, you know...

[MaGoo]

I usually never use TNT and ice, but that isn't to say they don't come in handy once in a while.

[Xobim]

Let's see...
Blaster, yes, it has unlimited ammo and is one of the most powerful weapons in the game when powered up and maximum fastfire. (unless you cheat ofcourse, then the laser shield is best)

Bouncer, yes, it can be used to shoot downwards to kill baddies you can't reach and it travels furthest upwards, allowing it to shoot down floating objects you cannot reach.

Freezer, yes, handy for freezing springs and you can kill baddies with spectaculair fashion by running into them while frozen.

Seekers, YES, very handy for killing flying baddies and bosses.

RF Missiles, yes, good for destroying countdown blocks and loads of baddies on one spot.

Toaster, yes, has continuous flame and can seriously injure bosses and has a shot delayment that can kill upcoming baddies.

TNT, yes, can blow up loads of blocks in one shot and many baddies in one shot.

Pepper spray, no, has nearly the same function as the blaster, except that it fires diagonally when you suddenly try to shoot upwards.

Electro blaster, no, is extremely weak, even when powered up and has no special function except going through walls, which is not very usefull.

Trafton, YES!, wha?!?

This is my opinions about the weapons in SP mode. I have never played MP on the internet before, so I don't know.

[R3ptile]

Pepper Spray is useless when you get RF's.

[cooba]

Pepper Spray is useless when you get RF's.Not unless you're talking about powered up RF's.

[LittleFreak]

That's what I meant. You simply don't need pepperspray because powered RFs do the same job, but better.

Greater possibility to hit your opponent > higher range

[cooba]

Greater possibility to hit your opponent > higher rangeNot to mention that powered up RF's deal 2 damage and powered up Pepperspray does 1.

[CrimiClown]

:D A serious discussion about weapons in Jazz 2... *Sniff* I thought I'd never live to see this... :(

[R3ptile]

Not unless you're talking about powered up RF's.
I was talking about both. RF's have a bigger attack range.

[White Rabbit]

*whacks ppl on the head with Trafton*

I have changed my mind. He is indeed the most powerful weapon known to man.

Kind.

[CrimiClown]

:D Yay! I made a useful poll! :D

[Stijn]

<3 powered-up toasters.
Nothing more useful to guard a corridor in Assault!!!!

[White Rabbit]

Hmm..I personally like powered-up blasters because they have longer range and have unlimited ammo.

[Stijn]

hmkay but you need a lot of fastfire before it's really useful. Besides toaster flames stick around for a while.

[Radium]

Blaster, Electro Blaster, and Pepperspray are all quite useless to me. They actually require aiming, and I always miss. The blaster is only really useful to me if I have a lot of fastfire so I can plow through people, but that rarely happens.

I wouldn't say TNT and Ice are useless. They come in handy in custom gametypes, or getting places you aren't supposed to go.

[White Rabbit]

Pepperspray are great chase weapons, and you can just spam blaster bullets all over the place because you know why. ;)

Electroblasters aren't that great in fighting, unless lvls are specifically made for them, or have special gun9 areas.

[LittleFreak]

Besides toaster flames stick around for a while.

Which has no effect at all. Does powered up toaster even take off two hearts?

[cooba]

Does powered up toaster even take off two hearts?Yes... and it even triples the singleplayer damage if my memory serves me right.

[Murderbeam]

Seekers. I HATE THEM. they make N00Bs look like N00Bs and Pros look like N00Bs. :eek:
They Seek, When powered up they can kill in 2 shots in CTF, They are used in 99% of
All maps, Too many things to describe. I say Pepper spray Owns because it is a
good sneak attack weapon.


Then there's the RF's. I don't mind Them, Thought they can be Annoying.

I'm not taking sides or anything, I'm just giving My opinion.

BTW, i voted Seekers.

[R3ptile]

Which has no effect at all.
Lies. Play online and know.

[Stijn]

Which has no effect at all. Does powered up toaster even take off two hearts?

A blaster bullet disappears in less than a second. Even when it does not hit the wall, a toaster flame "lives" way longer.

[LittleFreak]

Yes, it lasts longer that's right. But the fire "sticking" to the environment doesn't hurt anyone as far as I'm concerned. At least not in single player or splitscreen.

[Stijn]

But I said "stick around", not "stick on a wall" ;)

[Tubz]

The whole Trafton thing is just becoming stupid. TNT and Frosbiter are garbage.

[blurredd]

Too bad there isn't an easy way to disable blaster shots, or else I would have made a TNT and Ice Team Battle level already.

[EvilMike]

In standard multiplayer, all of the jj2 weapons that you listed have merits, even if some of them are pretty limited. I consider no weapons in this poll to be useless. I still voted for ice, however, since I consider it to be the least useful out of all weapons.

The blaster is a terrible weapon with no powerups, but powered up and with fastfires it is effective enough to use over other weapons, due to the unlimited ammuniton.

Bouncers are great for attacking people below you, deterring chasers, and hitting people through walls.

Ice is generally only good for freezing springs, in the few levels where you can actually do something important by doing that. I'm talking about "normal" levels here, not levels where the goal is to push people off the platform or whatever.

Seekers are extremely powerful, and not terribly imbalanced if placed right in levels.

RF missles are an ok chasing weapon unpowered, and the best chasing weapon in the game powered up. Their range isn't as good as some people think, but their high speed makes up for it. Generally though, if the person you are chasing is off your screen, your missles won't reach them. The ability to RF jump is also quite handy, and the explosions of this weapon can damage people through walls.

Toasters are a great weapon, largely due to the fact that the flames stay in the air for so long. It's a good "suppression" weapon in that it can make it hard for an enemy to go near you without getting hurt. The high ammo capacity helps a lot.

TNT is not extremely useful, but it can be helpful in cases where you are being chased. Drop a bunch of TNT behind you and it's harder for the enemy to hit you. It also can kill people in CTF, but in practice this is not easy.

Pepper spray is a very good chasing weapon, since it moves extremely fast and has a much better range than rf missles. Unlike RF missles, you do not need to be close to your opponent to hit them. You'll have to jump a bit though, since pepper spray travels in a straight line. Still, this weapon is extremely useful, and quite underrated. I rank it above unpowered RF missles in terms of usefulness when chasing. Unfortunately, this weapon can only deal 1 damage.

Electro blaster is useful for shooting through walls, obviously. Otherwise it's not great, but in some cases it can be very useful. There are a lot of levels where players can entrench themselves and become hard to attack, but remain very vulnrable to this weapon. It also has a better range (at running speed) than the blaster, but travels slower.

Now I will talk about the shield weapons. I will talk about how useful the weapons are, and ignore the fact that you also get a protective shield.

Water shield bubbles are the best weapon in the game. They are insanely easy to hit people with, almost impossible to dodge, travel through walls, bounce everywhere, and deal 2 damage.

Plasma shield shots are ok, because they can deal two damage. Good if you don't have a powered up blaster, but otherwise not that great since this weapon travels slower.

Fire shield fireballs are almost completely useless. They replace your blaster, deal only one damage, travel slower, and don't work under water. What a ripoff. There's nothing useful about this gun at all other than the fact that it still deals damage.

The laser shield is a completely useless weapon in multiplayer because it crashes servers, and thus doesn't work.



Therefore the one true useless weapon is the laser.

[EvilMike]

I should also mention that TNT is a great way to 3hk people, since the damage it deals never registers. The only way to hit someone with TNT is if they are moving slowly or stopping though, since the explosion can't hit a person running at full speed.

[Grytolle]

Well, there isn't much to say except that TNT owns. Certain fake3 in CTF :)
Most useless would be frostbiter... that doesn't mean it's comepletely useless though.

[LittleFreak]

Wait, actually Ice and TNT rock in race levels...

So, none but the laser is useless. The fireshield ammo sucks, but still it gives you a shield for protection. And in Single Player you can melt frozen springs with it.

[cooba]

Oh yeah, the reason of why are Fire Shield's projectiles so weak is that the shield was originally planned to destroy scenery upon touch, much like a Sugar Rush. Explains why it's placed a while before Bubba in A Cold Day In Heck, no?

[LittleFreak]

Why would Mr. Cliff want the player be able to kill Bilsy with a few touches? :(

[cooba]

First of all, it's Bubba. ;P

Anyway I don't know. Just for the sake of having an overpowered secret nearby a boss, I guess =P

[Sasik]

Don't say that Ice is useless, I remember duels in DW, when I freezed my opponent in front of my base, and then I could score ;P

[White Rabbit]

I wonder what your opponent will blame it on. :rolleyes:

I claim page 2.

EDIT: Basically, I think that TNTs, ice and electroblasters are the worst fighting weapons and the only reason people use them is because of their special properties.