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Cpp
Aug 24, 2005, 11:05 AM
Heya! Look who I caught! :7
Recently I hosted an instagib server on jj2 with my Enhancement level pack. No, it wasn't Nimrod, it was me! Soon this so called hacker Orbitz joined and started to cheat with shields. So I banned him for that. Shortly afterwards he attempted to crash (maybe laser) the server but it was no-go due to my WPE filters. As he found out that he cannot crash it, he tried to mass-rename everybody in the server. It didn't work due to my cool program I used to host the server. Later on he attempted to mass-clone the server and that didn't work either due to my cool program. ;-)
But he just didn't seem to get it and he continued spamming with renames and chat. I found this as an opportunity to test the program I'm developing and it did its job pretty well considering the amount of hacks it logged. I had some problems with my server as I hosted custom tilesets and people who were downloading them caused my server to freeze a couple of times. Had to restart. Also, tests like this usually give me some ideas on what to put into programs and I got quite a few of them.
So if you've been in this server, let's talk about it. I wish to hear how it all appeared from the point of view of clients.And please do not even bother asking for this program as I am not going to give it to anyone... yet. It's still in pre-alpha stage. I may release it... some day.
And my message to Orbitz: You've made another enemy today.
Greetz!
~ Ol
Cpp
Aug 24, 2005, 11:06 AM
In the mean time take a look at the logs my program made:
LOG[20:23:02]: Waiting for Jazz Jackrabbit 2...
LOG[20:23:04]: Found Jazz Jackrabbit 2 v1.23
LMX[20:23:21]: Level Mixer adjusted next level (igs_012.j2l)
LMX[20:23:25]: Level Mixer adjusted next level (igs_028.j2l)
LMX[20:29:01]: Level Mixer adjusted next level (igs_043.j2l)
LMX[20:30:42]: Level Mixer adjusted next level (igs_006.j2l)
LMX[20:32:29]: Level Mixer adjusted next level (igs_007.j2l)
CKI[20:33:12]: Kicked a clone at slot 11 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:12]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:16]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:16]: Kicked a clone at slot 11 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:17]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:17]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:18]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:18]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:19]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:19]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:47]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:47]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:48]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:48]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:49]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:49]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:50]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:50]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:51]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:51]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:52]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:52]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:53]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:53]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:54]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:54]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:56]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:56]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:56]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:57]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:57]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:58]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:33:58]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
GBU[20:33:59]: A fake player at slot 13 ( Name ) has been removed.
CKI[20:34:00]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:00]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:01]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:01]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:02]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:02]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:03]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:03]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:04]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:04]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
GBU[20:34:04]: A fake player at slot 18 ( Name ) has been removed.
CKI[20:34:05]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:05]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:06]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:06]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:07]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:07]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:08]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:08]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
GBU[20:34:08]: A fake player at slot 22 ( Name ) has been removed.
CKI[20:34:09]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:09]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:10]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:10]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:11]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:11]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:12]: Kicked a clone at slot 10 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:12]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
LMX[20:34:31]: Level Mixer adjusted next level (igs_008.j2l)
CKI[20:34:53]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:53]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:55]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:34:55]: Kicked a clone at slot 12 () IP: 24.114.132.155
GBU[20:35:19]: A fake player at slot 12 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:35:20]: A fake player at slot 13 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:35:21]: A fake player at slot 14 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:35:22]: A fake player at slot 15 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:35:23]: A fake player at slot 16 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:35:24]: A fake player at slot 17 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:35:25]: A fake player at slot 18 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:35:26]: A fake player at slot 19 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:35:29]: A fake player at slot 3 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:35:31]: A fake player at slot 5 ( Name ) has been removed.
CKI[20:36:22]: Kicked a clone at slot 2 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:36:22]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:36:46]: Kicked a clone at slot 2 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:36:46]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
GBU[20:36:57]: A fake player at slot 4 (Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:36:58]: A fake player at slot 5 (Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:01]: A fake player at slot 8 (Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:02]: A fake player at slot 9 (Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:03]: A fake player at slot 10 ( Name) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:04]: A fake player at slot 11 ( Name ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:05]: A fake player at slot 12 ( Ne ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:06]: A fake player at slot 13 () has been removed.
GBU[20:37:07]: A fake player at slot 14 ( ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:08]: A fake player at slot 15 (nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:09]: A fake player at slot 16 (nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:10]: A fake player at slot 17 (yknso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:11]: A fake player at slot 18 (sucyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:12]: A fake player at slot 19 (ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:13]: A fake player at slot 20 ( ssuckyk nso) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:14]: A fake player at slot 21 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:15]: A fake player at slot 22 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:16]: A fake player at slot 23 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:17]: A fake player at slot 24 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:18]: A fake player at slot 25 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:19]: A fake player at slot 26 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:20]: A fake player at slot 27 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
CKI[20:37:21]: Kicked a clone at slot 3 () IP: 24.114.132.155
CKI[20:37:21]: Kicked a clone at slot 4 () IP: 24.114.132.155
GBU[20:37:22]: A fake player at slot 29 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:23]: A fake player at slot 30 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:24]: A fake player at slot 31 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
GBU[20:37:25]: A fake player at slot 32 ( ssuckyk nso ) has been removed.
USR[20:41:10]: Exiting program
blurredd
Aug 24, 2005, 11:11 AM
First post on JCF in over a year? Welcome back. I wish I could've been there to see that program in action. Glad to see it works though.
Cpp
Aug 24, 2005, 11:14 AM
Well I was gone for a longer period of time indeed. But Nimrod made me come back. I really wasn't very active but today I felt like posting this on JCF... after one year :+
Orbitz
Aug 24, 2005, 11:20 AM
More friends? YAY!..........whatever so you got me i was bored so i used a shield big deal so you banned me i wanted to be unbanned so i used asd then i got back in used shield (fire) and i was banned agian so i used asd once again but this time i was able to go in was still banned so i tried using asd more and more and more intill the server let me in but that didn't happen......so
..........well thats it................. i was just bored............
meh you got me fare and square fine ill stop BUT you gotta stop making those stupid servers that just ping for me and the rest can join it sucks the fun out of jj2 for me but hey u don't care so just stop ok?
ill stop then too
belive it or not i swear this day on word (for the 3rd /50 th time ) that i won't ok? ok.......... good by good night cy a ...........auravor astalivista..............BYE...
Nimrod
Aug 24, 2005, 11:23 AM
Yet even more proof that Orbitz is still active.
If only the other list server admins worked on deploying his ban faster.
Orbitz
Aug 24, 2005, 11:28 AM
yea yeah fine banning me would stop my addiction anyway
cooba
Aug 24, 2005, 11:28 AM
Blocking Orbitz with PeerGuardian seems to do the trick so far. He couldn't join my server nor asd it nor rename people and anything. (One wonders if he could see it in the first place.)
Anyway wb ;D
Orbitz
Aug 24, 2005, 11:31 AM
PeerGuardian? did i miss something? well i noticed some crashed sever that i didn't do
cooba
Aug 24, 2005, 11:32 AM
Hah! Didn't see my serv.
White Rabbit
Aug 24, 2005, 11:34 AM
I kept seeing a person named 'a' joining and leaving, and I did experience a lot of download troubles, but that's about it.
It was a kinda fun server though, especially with lots of ppl (but I didn't appreciate the toaster-only lvl, and the drop lvl :p).
...Vegito kept killing me while I was blinking. :mad:
Fawriel
Aug 24, 2005, 11:36 AM
*laughs at Orbitz*
*Welcome-Back-tackles Overlord*
Cpp
Aug 24, 2005, 11:42 AM
meh you got me fare and square fine ill stop BUT you gotta stop making those stupid servers that just ping for me and the rest can join it sucks the fun out of jj2 for me but hey u don't care so just stop ok?
So servers with high ping suck the fun out of jj2 for you but servers where you've been blocked don't? Fine. Let it be your way.
EDIT: Okay I seem to have missed the point. Apparently you already meant the pinging servers that ping because you've been blocked. As I haven't blocked you, I believed you were talking about the high-ping servers. Well now. See what this hacking has got you into?
Blocking Orbitz with PeerGuardian seems to do the trick so far. He couldn't join my server nor asd it nor rename people and anything. (One wonders if he could see it in the first place.)
Blocking him seems to be the best thing to do as he has a static IP. But as I always point out, this may not always be the case. If I wanted to block him, I only have to type the following command to my linux box and voila:
iptables -I INPUT -i ppp0 -s 24.114.132.155 -j REJECT
I kept seeing a person named 'a' joining and leaving, and I did experience a lot of download troubles, but that's about it.
Yea, I saw that too. it didn't seem to use orbitz's IP. At one point I even saw it talk in caps something about a problem or so. It kept CTOing. And it also spammed the chat a bit with JazzTool.
cooba
Aug 24, 2005, 11:44 AM
Yea, I saw that too. it didn't seem to use orbitz's IP. At one point I even saw it talk in caps something about a problem or so. It kept CTOing. And it also spammed the chat a bit with JazzTool.Yeah, I remember him/her complaining. WAT MOST I DO??
As for the Linuxbox command thing... =O.
Black Ninja
Aug 24, 2005, 12:08 PM
Yay, Overlord's back. WB, Overlord.
Boo, (he's) also posting on the JCF now. (Orbitz, not Overlord ;p)
OMG ROFL GUYS WE SHOULDN'T NOT BE SO MEAN TOO ORBITZ ROFL
[Hacker or not, PA's not allowed. Personal Attack edit - FQuist]
[Edit modification -Link]
White Rabbit
Aug 24, 2005, 12:30 PM
Hmm...how do you run that blocking command if JJ2 will only run with Windows, OL?
Cpp
Aug 24, 2005, 12:48 PM
Hey Black Ninja!
To WR:
Because linux really is my router. ;-)
Sasik
Aug 24, 2005, 01:14 PM
I wonder why Orbitz isn't banned from JCF and somehow from community.
White Rabbit
Aug 24, 2005, 01:23 PM
Because the JCF also has ex/non jazzers. Ppl follow JCF's rules here, not the online JJ2 code of chivalry. 8)
R3ptile
Aug 24, 2005, 01:26 PM
<gg>
n00b
Aug 24, 2005, 01:32 PM
[QUOTE=Orbitz]
ill stop then too
[QUOTE]
Hey (Orbitz), maybe you haven't realized, but you haven't stopped even though you have repeatedly told us you would. Maybe you haven't realized but it's your fault they are doing this. Maybe you haven't realised, but there is a community who actually wants to play a clean game, and not want to have some(one) screw it up for them. Maybe you haven't realised that we no longer trust you. Maybe you haven't realised you need to learn english.
Ok, I'm done venting. I still hate you Orbitz, and hey didn't you swear you had stopeed in Pyro's server a few weeks ago? You even got one person (Birdie) to belive you! Wow you must be getting better at lieing!
[Personal attack edit. -FQuist]
[Edit modification -Link]
Nimrod
Aug 24, 2005, 02:36 PM
Blocking Orbitz with PeerGuardian seems to do the trick so far. He couldn't join my server nor asd it nor rename people and anything. (One wonders if he could see it in the first place.)
He could see it on the Games in Progress bit in his client, but it would have appeared as pinging to him as his JJ2 client couldnt ping it (his IP being blocked)
PeerGuardian? did i miss something?
PeerGuardian is this nice IP block tool, I made a special version which blocks just you, because you cant be trusted in anyones online game :)
http://nimmy-online.com/jj2networkfilter/peer.zip for those who still don't have it.
shaney
Aug 24, 2005, 02:41 PM
orbitz your rih sometimes servers could just crahs due lag overdose so why you complain you mostly get the blame when a server with lag overdose crashed , you know why cause your the one crashin for fun i just hack servers that ban me for the reaspon they dont like me or just funny to kick me for no reason or in duel kickin me cause they can t beat me then onlyt then i crash i wont crash nimmy etc only these noobs that think they are everything i crash i think once a 2 months
FQuist
Aug 24, 2005, 03:39 PM
Just to be clear, we do not ban people from this site for misbehaviour on JJ2, no matter how much we dislike that - only violations against our rules count.
Tubz
Aug 24, 2005, 04:34 PM
More friends? YAY!..........whatever so you got me i was bored so i used a shield big deal so you banned me i wanted to be unbanned so i used asd then i got back in used shield (fire) and i was banned agian so i used asd once again but this time i was able to go in was still banned so i tried using asd more and more and more intill the server let me in but that didn't happen......so
..........well thats it................. i was just bored............
meh you got me fare and square fine ill stop BUT you gotta stop making those stupid servers that just ping for me and the rest can join it sucks the fun out of jj2 for me but hey u don't care so just stop ok?
ill stop then too
belive it or not i swear this day on word (for the 3rd /50 th time ) that i won't ok? ok.......... good by good night cy a ...........auravor astalivista..............BYE...
You have way too much free time. Go play Grand Turismo or something.
Spazzyman
Aug 24, 2005, 06:16 PM
lmbo
[acronym edit - FQuist]
Txl Kill
Aug 24, 2005, 08:58 PM
You could always just give it to me overlord. :-p
Orbitz
Aug 25, 2005, 07:46 AM
orbitz your rih sometimes servers could just crahs due lag overdose so why you complain you mostly get the blame when a server with lag overdose crashed , you know why cause your the one crashin for fun i just hack servers that ban me for the reaspon they dont like me or just funny to kick me for no reason or in duel kickin me cause they can t beat me then onlyt then i crash i wont crash nimmy etc only these noobs that think they are everything i crash i think once a 2 months
do you speak english or was that some finnish langague :lol:
ShadowGPW
Aug 25, 2005, 10:00 AM
do you speak english or was that some finnish langague :lol:
After that awesome sentance, is your mother now proud of you?
Vegito
Aug 25, 2005, 02:31 PM
I kind of have the feeling we have a 2nd n00b on jj2 who crashes and renames then.
Since I've been faked for a lot of times.. you know who's IP it was today? SuperJazz.
It was a 1.21 (edited 1.24) player. I even have the screenshot from it.
SuperJazz himself doesn't even have 1.21.
Didn't we have that problem earlier? If I remember once with DX's IP and someone else's?
There's still a faker at jj2... who changes IP into other jj2 players....
Tubz
Aug 25, 2005, 07:36 PM
do you speak english or was that some finnish langague :lol:
So man, why you want to always do illegal things on JJ2. What is your purpose?
Superjazz
Aug 25, 2005, 08:11 PM
I kind of have the feeling we have a 2nd n00b on jj2 who crashes and renames then.
Since I've been faked for a lot of times.. you know who's IP it was today? SuperJazz.
It was a 1.21 (edited 1.24) player. I even have the screenshot from it.
SuperJazz himself doesn't even have 1.21.
Didn't we have that problem earlier? If I remember once with DX's IP and someone else's?
There's still a faker at jj2... who changes IP into other jj2 players....
Could be possible though I do have 1.21(1.23), instead of 1.24. I've lost the cd again and comp got even rebooted once.
It is really annoying as you can just guess I feel the same as Veg felt once it was considered that Vegito had faked Saddam for LB's match in jj2wc2 though he hadn't. And although I consider it nearly impossible, there is a firewall in the shared internet of our neighbourhood(atm 6 houses(6 comps), which covers the real ip of any comp with a certain to all of them. I'm not sure at all do any of them own jj2, or tsf even, but there does live some teenagers indeed who might've been playing sometime to have the knowledge of things and are doing tricks against me even.
I guess the first one is way more possible still.
Txl Kill
Aug 26, 2005, 07:10 AM
what has jazz 2 hacking come to these days sheesh.
n00b
Aug 26, 2005, 10:44 AM
So man, why you want to always do illegal things on JJ2. What is your purpose?
If I read his paragraph in this thread right, it's because thats his way of having fun.
Vegito
Aug 26, 2005, 11:30 AM
@ superjazz, it wasnt only your IP like I said.
and uh...
PLEASE BAN THAT (guy of) A ORBITZ FROM THIS #%@#^@ SERVERLIST OK?
I joined a server with player 1 to 16, all names "hitlerlover"
Im sick of this crap, you can (-) ban that (guy) from that serverlist, and no problems at all anymore.
he always says "OMG SRY I WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN" and look at this?
he will NEVER stop.
just BAN BAN BAN >|
[Context edit - FQuist]
Cpp
Aug 26, 2005, 11:43 AM
what has jazz 2 hacking come to these days sheesh.
A part of it is dark indeed.
If I read his paragraph in this thread right, it's because thats his way of having fun.
Well if he is having so much fun while crashing servers, he could always host, flood, spam and crash his own and not those of other people.
LittleFreak
Aug 26, 2005, 11:48 AM
I'm guessing the problem is that crashing others' servers is what makes it fun for him.
He simply needs a better hobby and possibly friends.
BattleSpaz
Aug 27, 2005, 05:18 AM
can i ask WHY IN THE HECK is orbitz trying to hack jazz2!?!?!?!?!? why doesnt he go to hack better games, not the small, fun, jazz2?
cooba
Aug 27, 2005, 05:59 AM
Because better games don't have lousy tools he was using.
Cpp
Aug 27, 2005, 10:30 AM
I'm guessing the problem is that crashing others' servers is what makes it fun for him.
He simply needs a better hobby and possibly friends.
Ah! Worst case scenario then. He won't get any friends this way.
can i ask WHY IN THE HECK is orbitz trying to hack jazz2!?!?!?!?!? why doesnt he go to hack better games, not the small, fun, jazz2?
He's not trying to hack it. He is hacking it.
You see, Jazz 2 is an old game no longer supported by the authors. It has bugs, flaws and security holes that have not been found (until recently) and therefore have not been patched.
The flaws have always existed. They've always been there. Only people didn't know about them and they remained hidden just to be discovered in the future by someone who would gladly abuse them.
Because better games don't have lousy tools he was using.
Better games do not have the number of security holes Jazz 2 has (if any at all). Yet if they had them, there would already be a number of tools to abuse them. The Unreal engine secure protocol vulnerability comes to mind.
Vegito
Aug 27, 2005, 04:20 PM
can i ask WHY IN THE HECK is orbitz trying to hack jazz2!?!?!?!?!? why doesnt he go to hack better games, not the small, fun, jazz2?
Ask himself 8D
BattleSpaz
Aug 28, 2005, 01:24 AM
actually, how, is he in here forums or at MSN :P
Orbitz
Aug 29, 2005, 09:53 AM
Congrats i am banned but let me say this there is someone else doing this as well whom i do not know like vegito said hitlerlover renaming i didnot do that but belive me or not nimrod use jj2 aprehend to find out that other guy cuz its not me now (now that im banned)
Black Ninja
Aug 29, 2005, 12:01 PM
Personally, I am astonished that Orbitz even posts here. He's like a walking flame war waiting to happen.
White Rabbit
Aug 29, 2005, 12:20 PM
That would then be us not keeping the lid on. :p
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