Vote to Ban Orbitz From the List Servers

[Monolith]

This poll is the official public vote for whether or not the user Orbitz should be banned from the list server. The ban will take place on all active list servers, and last for 30 days. Voting on this ban will remain open for 48 hours after the initial time of this post. The results of this poll will be public, as in anyone can see who voted on what. Anyone who votes more than once will have all of their votes nullified -- only one vote is allowed per person. A 2/3 majority vote is needed for the ban to take place -- that is, at least 2/3 of the votes (not counting non-votes) need to be 'yes' votes for the ban to pass.

Please also note that this thread is intended for the voting process only. Please do not debate the issue of the vote in this thread.


Now... what is this? What's going on? Why are the list servers now banning people?
The list server administration has recently been hearing growing support for allowing the list servers to ban users from using the list service for rare cases in which a particular user is disrupting the quality of the game for the rest of the community. The list servers have never been intended to be used as a means of policing the community, and we would like to keep it that way. However, we believe that if we are capable of aiding the community by taking action in banning a particular user, it would be more appropriate for us to do so than to just sit back and let the community possibly get destroyed. For us to take action on something that would effect the community though, we feel it would be more appropriate to let the community have a say in such actions. That's why this vote is taking place. It is to give you, the community, a chance to decide if our actions are reasonable and worth doing. So please, take this seriously, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Also, please note that this policy is relatively new, and may be modified and improved in the future. Though hopefully we should not need to resort to these measures very often.

[Nimrod]

Vote wisely, you are in control.

[Txl Kill]

(-)

[cooba]

I think we all know how will the outcome of the poll look like.

[R3ptile]

Let's vote for banning him from real life as well! :D

[Fawriel]

It's obviously appropriate in the case of someone who just won't learn.

[LittleFreak]

I agree with Faw. But as I don't play online anyway I have no opinion.

[Trafton]

I agree with Faw. But as I don't play online anyway I have no opinion.

You agree with him and don't have an opinion at the same time? >OOO

I talked with Orbitz a week ago and threatened to contact his ISP - he said he'd' never do it again. Has he done anything since then? If so, ban him.

[Tubz]

The best poll option ever, pretty creative:
I have no opinion/I do not wish to vote (non-vote)

[maverick]

Yesterday he hacked server on which we were playing. >|

[R3ptile]

You agree with him and don't have an opinion at the same time? >OOO

I talked with Orbitz a week ago and threatened to contact his ISP - he said he'd' never do it again. Has he done anything since then? If so, ban him.
Of course he did. He's a liar.

[CrimiClown]

Don't know him well enough... :(

[cooba]

Don't know him well enough... :(The fact that he's been spoiling fun for the community isn't enough?

[CrimiClown]

The fact that he's been spoiling fun for the community isn't enough?
I heard he spoiled some online games... Ok, some... Many... But, anyway, I feel really sorry for you and hope he gets banned. For ONCE I am glad I can't play online. :p

[LittleFreak]

You agree with him and don't have an opinion at the same time? >OOO

Well, I find what he does really stupid. But it's just not my business as an offline player.

[Vegito]

"Yes, Orbitz should be banned
Black Ninja, ChippieBW, Chiyu, Cooba, Crono5, Dalspots, Fawriel, Fquist, FreeLance, Iam Canadian, Lark, MaGoo, maverick, minmay, n00b, Newspaz, Nimrod, Overlord, Pyromanus, R3ptile, Sasik, sers^^, ShadowGPW, Sk8terboy, Snooze, Sonyk, Spazzyman, Stickgo, Sun Fun Dude, Superjazz, Teej a.k.a T-Dj, Txl Kill, vegito "

doesnt that say enough :P

You agree with him and don't have an opinion at the same time? >OOO

I talked with Orbitz a week ago and threatened to contact his ISP - he said he'd' never do it again. Has he done anything since then? If so, ban him.


today.. august the 16th.. I joined a server with all of the names "Hitler lover" or something.
like I said in the "caught" topic... that must say enough.

[cooba]

But it's just not my business as an offline player.It is your business as he's spoiling fun of the community which you're a part of. [/socialist]

[LittleFreak]

Hm... that's a good point.

Well, he'll be banned anyway.

[cooba]

I say we leave Adeel at "unable to play" status.You all should've been listening to me in first place =(.

[LittleFreak]

Are you sure Adeel = Orbitz?

I recall Adeel's English being much worse.

[White Rabbit]

I certainly don't know... I've never seen Adeel, ever.

[Puffie40]

Orbitz is going too far if he is causing Denial of Service attacks and ruining everyone's fun. short of hiring an assassin, banning him is the only thing we can do. I am fully in support of the ban.

[Sonyk]

From my knowledge, they are indeed the same person. Orbitz every so often went around as Adeel, and would remind his status to everyone in the server at the time.

[Nimrod]

Adeel and Orbitz share the same IP, therefore its clear Adeel is just another of Orbitz nicknames.

[Sasik]

...or his brother/sister ;P

[Trafton]

I vote yes, in that case. I will also be reporting him to his ISP and other local ISPs, attempting to get him blacklisted.

[Crono5]

We should ban AOL users as well.

[Sonyk]

...or his brother/sister ;P
Then in that case, they both crashed servers and neither deserve to play. It's a win-win!

[Skeven]

We should ban AOL users as well.

Ok... right there... thats my que...

Just because somebody's parents cant afford a different ISP doesnt mean we ban them...

Edit: And no I dont have AOL... I have a diff ISP... Cable/T1 actually =)

Anyways, on the topic of Orbitz I agree with Sonyk. In this case WE WIN =) two annoyances gone at the same time. Well... that is if they are brother/sister or just the same person. Either way an annoyance is gone and we get a better life for 30 days... when is he getting banned?

Derby: Personal attack removal.

[Nimrod]

The community has spoken, and the ban will be enforced. The ban may take a day or so to come into affect on all the list servers, but eventually it will.

During this ban, its useful for us if the community can work with us. If you see Orbitz in your game please report his IP to either myself or Monolith via IM's, IRC or PM's.

We highly recommend clients also block him during this, as he may find a way to bypass a list ban, sadly the Network Filter doesnt stop all forms of attack with ASD. Its in your best interest to block him on your Firewall or Router.

His current known IP is: 24.114.132.155

If you are unable to block him with your Firewall or Router I recommend you download a software IP blocker known as "PeerGuardian". I have packaged it up in a ready to go format, it can be downloaded from:
http://nimmy-online.com/jj2networkfilter/peer.zip
Just unzip all the files into one location and run the exe. The program will be in the trayicon when its active. While it is running Orbitz wont be able to access any resources on your PC.

We cannot guarantee Orbitz's complete removal or absense from all JJ2 game servers, therefore blocking him your end is as vital.

We hope we can continue to work with the community and offer assistance when possible. Thank you very much, you have spoken and we have acted.

-Nimrod on behalf of the List Server Team

[Puffie40]

The tribe has spoken. Orbitz is the weakest link. Goodbye! :P

I am glad we are taking action against someone like this.

My hacking encounter with him had him imposing as Derby, and he started talking with our names, especially mine, using sexual language. Gad, I'm STILL ticked about it!

When the 30 days are up, and he continues to hack, will he get a more serious ban?

[Monolith]

Thank you everybody who voted. I'm glad we got a good turnout. If problems with Oribitz continue in the future.. hopefully we'll have figured out what to do by then. The reason all this took so long was because this was the first time we've had to deal with such an issue since working to put together a more rhobust list server network. We're hoping to improve from this.

[NaT]

BAN ORBITZ and .

[Crono5]

[quote]Ok... right there... thats my que...

Just because somebody's parents cant afford a different ISP doesnt mean we ban them...quote]

That was a personal attack, the one time I actually wouldn't mind Derby he fails to show up :P

As a side note, since you brought it up. There are numerous ISPs that cost the same ammount or less than AOL that aren't AOL.

PWN'T :D

Derby: Previous quotation/Content clearance. Since some content was removed in the original post, this post would end up making less sense without the removal of the corresponding content.

[BattleSpaz]

ban ban ban! kick him out, ban him, hes just (a guy)
http://www.kerrolisaa.com/kuvat/Bannia.JPG

[Personal attack edit, context drain - FQuist]

[Tubz]

The tribe has spoken. Orbitz is the weakest link. Goodbye! :P

I am glad we are taking action against someone like this.

My hacking encounter with him had him imposing as Derby, and he started talking with our names, especially mine, using sexual language. Gad, I'm STILL ticked about it!

When the 30 days are up, and he continues to hack, will he get a more serious ban?
No, we're just going to bill his credit card automatically after the 30 days until unless he calls up to cancel the imaginary fee to play JJ2 online.

I still want him to reply to what I said.

[Orbitz]

errm its INUYASHA for your info

[Nimrod]

There has been reports they he has been appearing in limited servers, the first sighting of him was in a JDC Event.

Almost every sighting has seen him crash a server. Although I've only heard of 2 sightings, I suspect they will be more. It is still unknown if hes using a proxy to bypass or if hes friends are telling him the IP's for servers.

So it appears all the list ban is doing is slowing him down, and making it far more difficult for him to attack, but not impossible.

I shall again repeat what I said in the end of poll post:


We highly recommend clients also block him during this, as he may find a way to bypass a list ban, sadly the Network Filter doesnt stop all forms of attack with ASD. Its in your best interest to block him on your Firewall or Router.

His current known IP is: 24.114.132.155

If you are unable to block him with your Firewall or Router I recommend you download a software IP blocker known as "PeerGuardian". I have packaged it up in a ready to go format, it can be downloaded from:
http://nimmy-online.com/jj2networkfilter/peer.zip
Just unzip all the files into one location and run the exe. The program will be in the trayicon when its active. While it is running Orbitz wont be able to access any resources on your PC.

We cannot guarantee Orbitz's complete removal or absense from all JJ2 game servers, therefore blocking him your end is as vital.


I have asked many J2O staff if they could make that news once it was posted, but they have shown little interest. Therefore promoting PeerGuardian can only be done by word of mouth, JCF and the MOTD feature.

If you dont run PeerGuardian and get attacked, please dont bother me or any of the other list admins. We have tried to slow him down, and we have now made one sure way to stop him. If you want to be protected, run the protection, Simple.

[Ninja]

banned! ;)

[Nimrod]

I bring semi-good news.

I launched an investigation once I heard of Orbitz "bypassing" his ban. It may have taken a couple of days, but its finally figured out.

It turns out, on one of the list servers still used by a few players (Contrabandent) accidently failed to enforce the ban. By accidently I mean the router that is suppose to IP block, didnt do its job for some odd reason. The host of that list Becky(formally known as Burger) is aware and should hopefully be enforcing the ban by other means (I have supplied her with PeerGuardian, which she said she may use).

It may take a day or two for this to come into affect, but I'm glad we got to the bottom of this. I shall talk to other list admins to see if we can get the ban either extended or moved or something like that. He has STILL actively crashed games while he has had the ability to do so.

So in a day or two, hopefully it will end all this. But still, I advise every host to run PeerGuardian which you can read about a couple of posts above.

[Nimrod]

I have good news everyone, dispite taking over a month I am glad to tell you Orbitz has now been blocked from playing online via the list servers.

(Now, let the party begin)

It took a while as one of the lists (Contrabandent) wouldnt enforce the ban in a timely manner, thus Orbitz could still play online dispite the other lists having him banned. Monolith and myself have agreed to disconnect from Contrabandent. With Contrabandent disconnected, orbitz wont be able to access an active list. This will require a minor repatch on some jj2 users clients if they havent yet done so. You can read about this on the MOTD on the GIP, both on j2o and http://digiex.net/jj2gip

Due to Orbitz constant bypassing, his ban has now doubled to 2 months. Also due to it not taken affect until today, his ban now officially starts. So he is banned until the 30/11/05. After then we will check to see if he causes anymore problems, and react much faster. If you see him online his IP and time/date should be recorded, and passed onto Monolith or myself. Apprehend logs prefered.

We do feel bad, well I know I feel very bad for how long this took. Users have been wanting Orbitz removed for months and it took until now to finally get it done. I personally have taken action to ensure if there is ever a next time, action will happen within days, not months. Orbitz has damaged our community, people playing online has been decreasing over time as most active servers were crashed. We would like to warn anyone who goes round crashing, we will be watching and taken action in some cases.

Now everyone, you have no excuses, get back to playing JJ2 online.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

I'm sure I'm not the only one glad Orbitz is gone.

[Black Ninja]

++Weird_Al quotes.

[Super_Jarno]

pfffff,now iam lucky
Finally Orbitz is banned
I hate that evil*EVIL*


Thanks Guys

[NovaStar]

EMERGENCY!
ORBITZ IS BYPASSING HIS BAN!
I was hosting a server last weekend, and cause Ajazz RAD's bot got banned he sent Orbitz (aka Goku DBZ) and he laser-crashed my server!
ORBITZ ON THE LOOSE!

[Super_Jarno]

but shadow hoe did u know Orbitz hacked your host and not another noob

[White Rabbit]

Yeah..Orbitz is so famous he is bound to be faked by somebody. :lol:

[FQuist]

Can you please please please just stop acting like Orbitz is some giant evil villain and stop giving him so much attention with alerts and 'HELP'. You're just stimulating this kind of behaviour by making such a big deal out of it.

[LittleFreak]

Quist is right. Better alert Nimrod, Monolith or any other list server admin.

[Super_Jarno]

HELLO ARE U GUYS SLEEPING I SAWED HIM IN A HOST!!!!!

[LittleFreak]

See post #49.

[CrimiClown]

-_-'

Oh, and, Jarno, use spaces in your 'costum title'. If you haven't noticed it yet, you stretch the page A LOT... It's not pleasant for the 486 users with 640x400 screens...

*Looks around...*

Like me.

[R3ptile]

640x480 is for noobs :(

And it's not Orbitz, but a faker.

[CrimiClown]

Yes, I am a noob because I am in such a financial problem that I could not afford better. Some people but a PayPal on their site for these issues, but I'd like to keep my money fair. Understood? Good. Thanks for your concern.

[ThunderPX]

640x480 is for noobs

What resolution do you play Jazz2 in?

[CrimiClown]

Nice one, Thundah! xD

[Nimrod]

I'm half way across england at a friends uni so no where near the list server or a jj2 client, but if it really is orbitz and matches his IP (as posted in this thread somewhere) then it may be a good idea to inform Monolith (either on yahoo messenger or #jj2 on quakenet (http://www.jj2.info)

[Feline]

Although I am unable to use the listservers for reasons beyond my control, everyone, regardless if they can use the servers or not need to look at the pros and cons about the different possibilities of which actions to choose.

If we leave him alone, it will prevent people from using the listserve as we know it. Although we could techincally leave the listserves alone for a bit and then come back after a week, why should the general public have to suffer?

If the purpose of the game is to have fun, and this user is removing everyone's rights from the game, then shouldn't this suppression of rights allow us to moderate the servers? Isn't this the same as moderating the forums? Granted, there is a difference -- we forced onto ourselves the ability to control the listserves whereas we had no previous control. There was no initial agreement from the users that their conduct would be acceptable. In our case, by having the messageboards, the users who sign up agree to use the service at the expense of being moderated.

However, what if we could determine that his copy of jj2 was stolen, thereby removing all his rights to the program? Is there a way to determine this?

Even if we could not determine this, the new listserves are not a product of Epic Megagames and are thus subceptible to our discresion. Should rules be written up on this site of what the proper code of conduct should be by using the servers?

Also, what would Epic do? Epic is in favor of keeping as much publicity about their products that they too would have made the same decision as to ban someone from the listserve?

What it comes down to is this -- Does the fact that the user didn't agree to be moderated because Epic didn't orignally demand that the user agree to such terms a reason to allow him to stay? Wouldn't epic ban this person knowing that he is disrupting the user's rights? Even if they wouldn't, Epic is no longer in control of the listserves -- we are. We created new listserves on someone else's machine and allowed users to have access to that machine. Shouldn't we be able to create rules for using these servers?

I say that banning him is the right course of action, or at least preventing him from coming onto the servers for a determined amount of time. As an added tilt, the user is also disrupting the community that has developed around the game, although that's hardly a reason in and of itself to stop someone from playing.

[Edit]

Heh... I just read the end of the topic and it seems like you actually attempted to do so in the end. ^^ At least my line of thought will be useful when determining this next time and will help speed the decision.

[Monolith]

Epic would have the resources to fix the bugs that are being exploited in JJ2. ;|

[Orbitz]

Thats NOT fair thats not fair just because i used ASD and cheated alot doesn't mean you should take the game away from i mean if u didn't like what i did u could of asked if i stopped. and even if you did your being like me know i may have been ruining the fun for others but now ur ruining the fun for me its not fair and i thought tis was a 1 month ban its been like 2-3 months plz give me a 3rd chance i know u thnik its too much but i reallly learned my leason plz =( i have nothing to do i played maple story and i traded my rare stuff for a runescape account then i got scammed (i have a lvl 30 maplestory account) (thats not importent) but u get the point plz unban me i am really really sorry =( maybe give me some privliges and later if i prove to be better give me the rest? plz!! i beg you all i am sorry community but plz unban me :( plz.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

Thats NOT fair thats not fair just because i used ASD and cheated alot doesn't mean you should take the game away from i mean if u didn't like what i did u could of asked if i stopped. and even if you did your being like me know i may have been ruining the fun for others but now ur ruining the fun for me its not fair and i thought tis was a 1 month ban its been like 2-3 months plz give me a 3rd chance i know u thnik its too much but i reallly learned my leason plz =( i have nothing to do i played maple story and i traded my rare stuff for a runescape account then i got scammed (i have a lvl 30 maplestory account) (thats not importent) but u get the point plz unban me i am really really sorry =( maybe give me some privliges and later if i prove to be better give me the rest? plz!! i beg you all i am sorry community but plz unban me :( plz.

You crashed nearly EVERY server that came online during your access to the list servers. Why *would* we unban you?
Anyone caught using ASD will be in big trouble ;)

[cooba]

just because i used ASD and cheated alot doesn't mean you should take the game awayActually it does.

[Orbitz]

I know i made a mistake but i am really sorry =(

[n00b]

Where have we heard that before? ;(

[UNKNOWNFILE]

I know i made a mistake but i am really sorry =(

Last time you said you were sorry you kept crashing anyways. We don't believe you, go find another community. And we can all thank Spazzyman for creating ASD and JazzAdvantage.

[Orbitz]

I KNOW!!!! BUT!!! I AM SERIOUS THIS TIME!!!! PLZ!!! =(!!!!!!!!!!! i was stupid do crash server i am sorry for ruining the commuinty i just want to be part of it now =(

[UNKNOWNFILE]

I KNOW!!!! BUT!!! I AM SERIOUS THIS TIME!!!! PLZ!!! =(!!!!!!!!!!! i was stupid do crash server i am sorry for ruining the commuinty i just want to be part of it now =(

To do so, smash your harddrive to bits. Buy a new harddrive and install Mac OS X. Then get Jazz Jackrabbit 2 for mac with all the needed patches and bits. That way you can play online with Jazz2 -- without haxxing programs!!

[Orbitz]

=( wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh =( =(

[Sonyk]

We can too take away your ability to play the game. On most games, you can be banned for using hacking tools. I don't see why JJ2 is an exception.

But while you're at it, go and smash up your hard drive anyway.

[Orbitz]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I asked politley all i wanted to do was to play jj2 BUT U TOOK THAT AWAY FROM ME YOU YOU YOU GASSDFDGEAHTFSET GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SpybunnyCC]

give him a last change man cuz if he does it again u can ban him.

[Orbitz]

yay someone who's with me !!! but like he said if i do it again ban me AND i won't beg to be unbanned just give me this last chance

[SpybunnyCC]

i cant understand why no one gives him an another change

and again

Jj2 is for all ppl. i cant understand why ppl votes for this:S give him another change and watch his ip for fakers, i think he has learned his lesson. cmon ppl dont make it harder for him

[Orbitz]

=D!!!! yay! =D!!!

[Fawriel]

Well, technically there shouldn't be a problem with giving him a chance. I guess un- and redoing the ban would be easy, wouldn't it?

[SpybunnyCC]

let me remind u ppl that it inst fair: all ppl vs1,

[Puffie40]

I KNOW!!!! BUT!!! I AM SERIOUS THIS TIME!!!! PLZ!!! =(!!!!!!!!!!! i was stupid do crash server i am sorry for ruining the commuinty i just want to be part of it now =(

And sortly after the ban you were mocking us, saying that there are other communites than jj2. <STRIKE>Suck the ban down orbitz, and get out of here!</STRIKE>

[SpybunnyCC]

Puffie He has learn his lesson... Yes he said there are more communites but what else had he to say man:S

[Fawriel]

I actually highly doubt that he has learned his lesson, but eh. =P

I'd vote for perpetual probation. Once anyone has proof for him acting against the rules again, it's byebye forever.

[Orbitz]

No! I want to be a part of this community i appolgize for what i did but i really think i have learned my leason and id like an unban !

[Orbitz]

And for proof ill tell you what i learned.
I learned not to use cheat/hacking prgrams of ANY kind.
I leanred to repect other jj2 players who bought this game for fun
I learned not to suck the fun out of others
I learned to forgive and i expected you to do the same for me.

[SpybunnyCC]

stop hating man there are enough problems in the world. Nimrod unban him please give him a change please

[SpybunnyCC]

stop qouting old messages from him. we are talking about the future not the past.

[Orbitz]

I want to be a new person i want to start over!

[Fawriel]

Words aren't proof, Orbitz. You gave us a lot of words before. These sound no different than those from before. I stand by my suggestion of perpetual probation.

[SpybunnyCC]

orbitz im at ur side.

[SpybunnyCC]

we must wait for nimrod:O

[Puffie40]

orbitz im at ur side.

I'm not :mad:

[Orbitz]

yes thank you for helping me. i have alerted nimrod about what is happening but he seems to be away. maybe i am not unbanned maybe i won't be but i feel better with you on my side.

[Orbitz]

and they are those who are still against me but i promise tobe a better person oppsite of what i was if only there was a way to prove it i would of.

[SpybunnyCC]

i have no more words i try my best to help the weaker ppl. we must see and believe in jj2.

[Orbitz]

=) i am sure ur right i am sure ur right.

[Puffie40]

This shall be a democracy, so even if i don't like it, but the admins do, you will get one chance. Screw up once, and the screws will be put to you. :mad:

[Stijn]

You've had your chances, you wasted them. Should've made up your mind earlier, it's too late now.

[Orbitz]

=D!!! i promise

[SpybunnyCC]

i g2g now i hope orbitz gets an another change

[Stijn]

=D!!! i promise
You did that last time too.

Don't you get it? You won't keep getting another chance. You might've really decided to stop it, I wouldn't know, but that's a little too late. You stopped people from playing JJ2 online for weeks, people believed you then when you said you'd stop and were willing to give you another chance, but you went on anyway. And now you're banned. Too bad, it's your very own fault.

[Orbitz]

Look at you ! Your nothing but a bully. Online or NOT you are a bully. Instead of giving support you just go along thanking its not YOU! Just imagine how it'd feel? You BANNED everyone against you. You appolgize but no one cares how would u feel? how would u feel if i said what u just said? I don't think u would feel really happy cuz u know why? YOU ARE A BIG BUULY nothing ELSE but a big mean bully!!! =(

[Stijn]

I didn't ban or bully anybody; I am merely expressing my thoughts on this issue.

[Orbitz]

well the least u could of done is be more supportive

[Blackraptor]

uhh....not that i play jj2, but i wouldnt want to see a whole new wave of crashed servers etc. again and I doubt most people would.

[Fawriel]

*shrugs* As soon as the first server is crashed and there's proof, there's nothing stopping him from being banned forever, I'd say.

And Orbitz, don't be such a hippocrit.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

lol (http://rapidshare.de/files/11316671/orbitz.mp3.html) (500-second mp3 file. Sorry for misreadings and Rapidshare. ;p)

[Puffie40]

Look at you ! Your nothing but a bully. Online or NOT you are a bully. Instead of giving support you just go along thanking its not YOU! Just imagine how it'd feel? You BANNED everyone against you. You appolgize but no one cares how would u feel? how would u feel if i said what u just said? I don't think u would feel really happy cuz u know why? YOU ARE A BIG BUULY nothing ELSE but a big mean bully!!! =(

Oh boy.... Here come the waterworks...:lol:

[Stijn]

well the least u could of done is be more supportive
Why would I? I fully support keeping you banned.

Faw, the point is, he's had his chance and every crashed server is one too much.

[n00b]

lol (http://rapidshare.de/files/11316671/orbitz.mp3.html) (500-second mp3 file. Sorry for misreadings and Rapidshare. ;p)
I am so animating this. But crappily, since 8 minutes is way to much for a traditional* 12 fps framebyframe thing in Flash.

*Traditional by flash standards anyway.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

yay

[Nimrod]

Unban? Nope.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

The Nimrod has spoken ;D

[Grytolle]

This will probably make him (-), then he will get a friend to give him IPs and then he crashes everything. According to Tha Spaz Orbitz also got new toys... from some ssjgokublalbalbla that are supposed to crash the listserver.

[Orbitz]

GAH! >.> THATS IT UR GOING DOWN!

[n00b]

Way to go orbitz, destroy the .0000000000000000000001% chance you have of ever being unbanned.

[Link]

Was there a definite length for this ban?

[Nimrod]

GAH! >.> THATS IT UR GOING DOWN!

Bring it on.

First of all, I'm going down? I don't play JJ2 anymore, so how your going to bring my down I don't know.

Secondly, if you got new toys to crash servers with, a simple update to the network filter and PeerGuardian and your blocked once again.

I'm not going to give into someone with threats. You won't be unbanned any time soon, and you have just proven why this is.


Was there a definite length for this ban?

Officially, yes. See the list server forum.

But theres no chance of making me removing Orbitz IP from the ban list for my resources.
I have been called a Power Abuser for the years I've been here, I got to live up to my name at least once, I see no postive benefit to anyone of Orbitz presence on the list server and will only remove his ban if the entire community ask me to, but fat chance that will happen.

[Link]

Officially, yes. See the list server forum.

But theres no chance of making me removing Orbitz IP from the ban list for my resources.
I have been called a Power Abuser for the years I've been here, I got to live up to my name at least once, I see no postive benefit to anyone of Orbitz presence on the list server and will only remove his ban if the entire community ask me to, but fat chance that will happen.

As far as I could tell, it was agreed to ban for one month (30 days), with additional months added for bypassing the ban. Maybe this isn't the best place to discuss it, but I strongly object to changing this to an indefinite ban without the agreement of the list server team or the community. If the decided ban time has elapsed and the banned user says that he will be good, there should be no reason to extend the ban.

[n00b]

Orbitz has shown a history of saying he will be good and then going back to his old ways, I dont think it's a very good reason to unban him just because he claims to be good again.

[Orbitz]

I DID NOT BYPASS THE BAN!! JESUS U THINK A 11 YEAR OLD WOULD NOW HOW TO BYPASS?! HECK I DIDN"T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT BEFORE!
ALL I DID WAS GO PLAAY THE GAME FROM THE WEBISTE! I TOLD NIMROD NOW I AM TELLING YOU ALL!

[Nimrod]

If the decided ban time has elapsed and the banned user says that he will be good, there should be no reason to extend the ban.

Yes, he will be good won't he. Just look what he posted :-)

GAH! >.> THATS IT UR GOING DOWN!



He is his own worst enemy.

Also, seem's i've got the verbal abuse saying "Power Abuser" for the past years i've used my own time and resources to help the community (yeh, great payback guys) can't I at least live up to my name once? Specially seem's its for the good of the community.

[Orbitz]

and its been 3 months

[n00b]

Nimrod's post inspired me.
Nimrod the Movie: Power Abusing for the good of our Listservers
Starring Chuck Norris as Nimrod, and Nimrod the Rabbit as the toon rabbit that follows Nimrod around.
Also starring Uwe Boll as Orbitz in his Acting debut

[Odin]

Nimrod's post inspired me.
Nimrod the Movie: Power Abusing for the good of our Listservers
Starring Chuck Norris as Nimrod, and Nimrod the Rabbit as the toon rabbit that follows Nimrod around.

Alcholol.

Also starring Uwe Boll as Orbitz in his Acting debut

Alcholol^2.

And giving Orbitz another chance is too dangerous for the server lists as we know it.

As for Orbitz being 11, I'm sure his parents would love to see what he has been doing on this community.

[Link]

If his ban time is up (I'm still not entirely sure that it is, because I don't know the details of any bypassing or reoffending), the originally agreed upon conditions have been met and he should be unbanned. Don't change the conditions without consulting others. If he reoffends, it is easy enough to ban again.

[Odin]

I'm pretty sure almost everyone would vote "yes" for a ban extension for Orbitz.

Also i'd like to take the credit for putting the pressure on the listserver group to make this poll in the first place. :P

[UNKNOWNFILE]

Pageclaim goes to me.

[Monolith]

[blahblahblah] and i thought tis was a 1 month ban its been like 2-3 months plz give me a 3rd chance i know u thnik its too much but i reallly learned my leason plz =( [blahblahblah] plz unban me i am really really sorry =( maybe give me some privliges and later if i prove to be better give me the rest? plz!! i beg you all i am sorry community but plz unban me :( plz.
You are unbanned. I unbanned you about a month ago or some time. At least in terms of the overall list server network you are unbanned, but Nimrod is still choosing to ban you from his own network of servers and is unable to make an exception for you.

Flooding, renaming, and doing other such things in my server today is not a good way to show that you are sorry though. If I hear of you doing more than that, you're likely to find yourself banned again.

[Torkell]

GAH! >.> THATS IT UR GOING DOWN!
Might I point out that that's not a good way to go about getting yourself unbanned.

Think about things for a moment. You got banned because you repeatedly and wilfully crashed JJ2 servers. Now the ban period has passed, and while one list server has not released your ban, the others have. And some of the forum administration (and list server administration) think the remaining ban should be lifted.

To turn round and threaten them is not a good move.

[CrimiClown]

GAH! >.> THATS IT UR GOING DOWN!
:lol:

[Grytolle]

Heh, but you should edit that chatlog before you get a warning.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

Je ne parle pas nederlandse.

[Puffie40]

GAH! >.> THATS IT UR GOING DOWN!
Orbitz: so i will cras hcras h and CRASH!#E@E#R#R# in till
i get unbanned

Sounds like Orbitz is using empty lies to "Threaten" us. WEEEEEEEEEEEE! :lol:

True marks of a poor attempt to lie! GOING BOCK TO YOUR OLD SELF WHILE IN THE MIDDLE OF "APOLOGIZING"!

[UNKNOWNFILE]

Orbitz is sux when it comes to hacking. He doesn't even know how to modify packets. All he does is use pre-built programs by Spazzyman to take down servers.

Other than that he should stay away from the list servers before I try to bluescreen his computer.

I think he should stay banned. Do you? (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=14552)

[Grytolle]

So in other words he can't do any more harm with those filters around. ANd besides people can still ban him with peerguardian if they want.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

ASD relies mainly on the longname crash exploit, so if it is edited then filters are pretty much useless.

[Vegito]

So in other words he can't do any more harm with those filters around. ANd besides people can still ban him with peerguardian if they want.

Cant if people keep on making other crash programs.
And norton blocks peer guardian, so some people can't use it.

[White Rabbit]

Orbitz would have to be desperate beyond plausibility to want what you people think he wants, after all the time and effort spent on his part trying to lift his final ban.

[CrimiClown]

Je ne parle pas nederlandse.
*cough* néerlandais... :P

[Grytolle]

You can do the same thing in Norton, Veg.

[Odin]

Other than that he should stay away from the list servers before I try to bluescreen his computer.[/url]

I love how people think that trying to do damage to Orbitz's computer is okay because he was hacking JJ2 servers.

Seriously, people. Doing this is not the answer. Orbitz is blocked from Nimrod's servers, which are used by the majority of the people AFAIK, so we're fine.

[Cpp]

so if it is edited then filters are pretty much useless.Worse even randomized every time.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

And why the hell would Spazzyman ever *make* such a program anyways...

[Torkell]

Other than that he should stay away from the list servers before I try to bluescreen his computer.
Packets can be, and usually are (when the intent is malicious) spoofed. Don't assume that because a packet has a certain source address, that it actually went anywhere near that computer.

[NovaStar]

Orbitz is sux when it comes to hacking. He doesn't even know how to modify packets. All he does is use pre-built programs by Spazzyman to take down servers.

Other than that he should stay away from the list servers before I try to bluescreen his computer.

I think he should stay banned. Do you? (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=14552)

Woot. Go UNKNOWN.

[cooba]

(for the record, he's renaming again)

[FQuist]

No concrete evidence for that ^ but moderate circumstantial evidence

[cooba]

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1976/jazz00031bn.png

How about now, FQ?

[SpybunnyCC]

Cooba do you never show the F9 buttom for players? and this could be a hoax:P

but could be real too, or an old picture:O

[UNKNOWNFILE]

heeees baaaaaaaaaaaaack....

[cooba]

Cooba do you never show the F9 buttom for players? and this could be a hoax:P

but could be real too, or an old picture:O(FTG)

[Admins are humorless edit + flame tag removal. Please do not fake admin edits & warnings - FQuist]

[SpybunnyCC]

i see orbitz is back, I gain Connection lostwhole time, i saw enough

stupid me

[Vegito]

I dont get it, why do you want him back.
If you want jj2 to die, just tell me in my face, don't do it this way. I'm not playing jj2 for fun anymore if my jj2 crashes every 5 minutes. I'm off.

On the "get that whatever program which doesnt let me crash" no - Norton internet security blocks it. Gratz for taking the fun out of jj2.

[SpybunnyCC]

i didt know he could crash servers in that way, srry

[Fawriel]

And it's bye-bye Orbitz!

*pats Spybunny on the back* It's good to be optimistic sometimes. Don't blame yourself.

[SpybunnyCC]

and cyalater Thaspaz, now no one can ever trust them again, that was stupid for those days they can play, now they have 0% change to come back,

[Speeza]

rad was suposed to be a clan it stared of ok but now its like rad wants world domination rad is now xd .............................ps im in it (WA) uh oh sounded a bit mean every one gets a free mr t tshirt

[Wide attack removal. You may not insult users on these forums. - FQuist]

[Grytolle]

Well, he is obviously crashing. But Cooba's evidence sucks =) I thought laser-shield was used for crashing...

[Sonyk]

I believe that Cooba is just providing proof that he hasn't changed.

[Grytolle]

Not proof... you need Orbitz IP in the screen to make it somewhat useful

[cooba]

Theoretically, excessively used Fire/Lighting Shields are capable of crashing a server just like the Laser Shield. _{Theoretically.}

[Nimrod]

If you want Orbit'z back, the only person you need to convience is Monolith.

Monolith, dispite having Orbitz come in and abuse his own jj2 server (Battle Server) is still refusing to reable the ban on his list server Madskills. Dispite people using my list server, all the games in progress are forwarded to Monolith's list, and vice versa. So providing just one list doesnt have Orbitz banned, he can join everyones games no matter what list there hosted on.

It's clear Orbitz hasnt changed, and anyone defending him should quite frankly should get there head checked.

I'm getting close to the stage where I'm getting sick of the network idea, and would sooner forceably remove Orbitz (aka, stop mirroring with Madskills), but hopefully Monolith will see the light soon enough. But the moment I do that, J2o would start a war against me (most likely try and get users to update there jj2 to not use my list server). So, I ask of you lot sick of Orbitz to convience Monolith to renable the ban, and help maintain the network by doing so. :)

[FQuist]

So much for the illusion of a listserver network with communication and clear rules between the listserver operators. You agreed to those rules, Nimrod, and badmouthing Monolith for following the rules you created with your listserver network instead of breaking them like you wish to do, is silly. You cannot at one time aim snarky comments ("Monolith, dispite having Orbitz come in and abuse his own jj2 server (Battle Server) is still refusing to reable the ban on his list server Madskills.") at the co-operator of the listservers and work together with him.

I'm not defending anyone here, and I object to the notion some spread that anyone who defends transparency and honesty and clear rules is defending anyone.

I have not had any good experience debating on these issues, ever, or being correctly represented in replies (usually people just throw in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man">Straw Men</a> in reply to my points on this topic), so I won't bother to reply to any points made in reply to this.

BTW, I would think Monolith is the only one who can confirm his server crashed. No single shred of evidence has been provided in this thread, too.

[Grytolle]

Cooba, that screenshot still doesn't prove that it isn't someone faking Orbitz, that's what I meant.

[cooba]

I can only guess why are you defending Orbitz like your life depended on it.

[Grytolle]

Because giving him a life time ban, as I guess what Nimmy would prefer, is quite some serious matter...

[cooba]

is quite some serious matter...He deserves a ban longer than lifespan.

[Nimrod]

So much for the illusion of a listserver network with communication and clear rules between the listserver operators. You agreed to those rules, Nimrod, and badmouthing Monolith for following the rules you created with your listserver network instead of breaking them like you wish to do, is silly.

Yep, and he did what he was banned for originally, broken them again.

You cannot at one time badmouth the co-operator of the listservers and work together with him.

I never bad mouthed Monolith, I just merely said he needs to see the light, aka, see what the hell is going on in JJ2.

I'm not defending anyone here, and I object to the notion some spread that anyone who defends transparency and honesty and clear rules is defending anyone.

Sure you are, otherwise you wouldn't have replied. Your also implying he defends transparency and honestly, I highly object to that. He's not seeing the whole picture and for that he isnt defending transparency and honesty.


I have not had any good experience debating on these issues, ever, or being correctly represented in replies (usually people just throw in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man">Straw Men</a> in reply to my points on this topic), so I won't bother to reply to any points made in reply to this.

If your not prepared to reply to any points made, then theres no point even posting this is the first place. If you can't defend what you said, or admit you said wrong, dont post in the first place.

BTW, I would think Monolith is the only one who can confirm his server crashed. No single shred of evidence has been provided in this thread, too.

He told me his server was under attack by Orbitz, and he has blocked him from his JJ2 Server (but not his List Server). If you think I would lie about that, well first, thanks for the trust FQuist!! Secondly, ask him yourself.


The fact is, your annoyed by what I said clearly. But how else can I say it?

I want Orbitz banned, the majority of the community wants him banned. Theres one reason the ban isnt in place, and thats my fellow operator Monolith. I'm not going to come on here and lie and say "The ban isnt going ahead, we dont want it". I'm going to give you the truth as it is, I want the ban, Monolith doesnt. I feel angry at Monolith for his choice and can only hope myself and others can persuade him to ban Orbitz.

If it offends Monolith, or anyones bothered by the way I tell the truth. Well I'm sorry, I'm not going to lie to cover anyones back. It may not be nice, but I guess the truth can hurt.

Orbit'z is breaking the so called rules, he is damaging the network and also the networks clients. Without clients there would be no network. There is not one logic reason to allow him back.

[Grytolle]

So, why don't you wanna ban him Mono? I am sure you have a good reason

[FQuist]

I can easily defend what I say, or back it up (except for the claim no evidence was provided, apparently Monolith provided one shred of evidence, I retract that claim and apologise). I simply won't bother to, since I prefer to not totally waste my time, since any claim I made will be twisted and tortured, and the only things replied to are straw men, things I've never implied. This has been obvious from your reply. From my reply, you've managed to adequately represent one argument, and the rest of your message doesn't reply to my points at all.

Obviously, anything I say here is a waste of time. It hasn't anything to do with not being able to defend my statements, but rather that, since my statements are never even replied to, I can hardly be bothered to defend them. I am not going to defend ghost statements I've never made.

[FQuist]

From talking to Monolith, apparently Monolith isn't sure that it was Orbitz who flooded his server. I'll retract my retraction of the claim that no single bit of evidence has been provided in this thread for who has been crashing the servers. Anyone who demands a ban of Orbitz based on no single shred of evidence is being silly here.

[Torkell]

Did I miss something here?

I thought Orbitz got banned originally for maliciously attacking JJ2 servers. The ban was for a limited time, and that time has passed. Monolith removed the ban (after being reminded), but Nimrod kept the ban (claiming that Orbitz hadn't changed, and would never change). Orbitz meanwhile has been asking (quite nicely, to begin with) for the ban to be lifted. Then there's a new flood of attacks on JJ2 servers, and suddenly everyone points fingers at Orbitz and calls for his head.

The funny thing is, I don't think I've seen any server logs that actually reveal the attacker as being Orbitz (and I'm pretty sure I've seen stuff implying others are responsible). Now did I miss a post here, or does no-one really know what's going on?

(feel free to correct me if I'm wrong anywhere - this is just what I think is going on)

(also, I'm not defending any attacks on JJ2 servers. But nor am I defending what appears to me to be power abuse)

[Grytolle]

You got it all right. This is a great time to crash servers and let Orbitz get the blame.

[Odin]

From talking to Monolith, apparently Monolith isn't sure that it was Orbitz who flooded his server. I'll retract my retraction of the claim that no single bit of evidence has been provided in this thread for who has been crashing the servers. Anyone who demands a ban of Orbitz based on no single shred of evidence is being silly here.

Your posts break the tables. Fix that plx.

[Vegito]

You got it all right. This is a great time to crash servers and let Orbitz get the blame.

Now this discussion is going on, it's easier for him to crash servers because people may think it was someone else. ;-)

[Grytolle]

And it was, since Orbitz sucks too much to exploit UF's gip-script?

[Link]

Maybe it's Nimrod and UF themselves doing it. Conspiracy! :eek:

Seriously though, I agree with BoggyB and FQuist. Refusing to unban Orbitz when his ban period is expired and there is no evidence that he is currently doing anything is simply power abuse.

[NovaStar]

Hmmm... I dunno. These server crashings can be linked to RAD's so-called 'takeover' of the listservers last night. They re-named themselves to Orbitz. A perfect way not to get any blame.

Also, this is serious, they took the water out of a level as well. That must be hard to do too. Monolith's server was attacked by RAD, not Orbitz. AJazz is their ringleader so I'm definitely sure that if AJazz was banned when UNKNOWNFILE made the petition to, this wouldn't have happened.

About Madskills lifting the ban on Orbitz and Nimrod not lifting it, I'm not too sure on that one. But Nimrod, his ban is over, there hasn't been a petition, so lift it. Please.

Oh, and will you support Pest Eliminators? It's a team I'm making to protect the listservers.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

Maybe it's Nimrod and UF themselves doing it. Conspiracy! :eek:

No. It's a guy called ThaSpaz and another guy called "Orbitz" whose real name is Adeel. And here's a little treat for all of you:
http://unknown.halleyscometsoftware.com/zomg/omghax.PNG

These are the tools used by our friends Orbitz and ThaSpaz, which I managed to obtain through a bribe. These tools are used for crashing, renaming, cheating and creating ghosts. Current packet analysis has proved inconclusive, and I will do a bit more testing later.

In the meantime, taco's.

[Trafton]

Inconclusive of what?

All of those programs are fairly well-known.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

As to how the packets they inject work.

[Nimrod]

Refusing to unban Orbitz when his ban period is expired and there is no evidence that he is currently doing anything is simply power abuse.

Orbitz was banned before he got a list ban from jazz.nimrod-online.com, he is also going to be banned well after his list ban.

Monolith, Fquist and many others are fully aware of this. He received a Digiex ban a long time before he received a network ban. He totally attacked my jj2 servers when I use to host them (until myself and Overlord made protection), and for that he has been banned from any resource at Digiex, and that includes the list which we host.

It hardly stops him from playing JJ2 if he really wanted, the whole idea of the list server's is to have a network. Not once have I stopped Madskills from having access to my list to mirror it, and for that Orbitz could play JJ2 if he wanted. He merely couldnt join my jj2 game server, or take advantage of a slighty faster list (closer to him).

I'm not going to spend hours finding a new way to ban Orbitz at my router which will allow him to access the list but nothing else, I actually like to protect my resources and won't spend hours of my own time trying to ensure one little kid who doesnt deserve anything can access my list, something that costs ME money to run.

A side effect of his behaviour meant he cant access my list, well fair enough, but due to my willingness to make the network open he isnt blocked from playing JJ2 as he can simply use Madskills.

So honest to god (mainly aimed at Link) if you call it power abuse that I like to protect my resources from someone who openly abuses them, I seriously urge you to provide a (-) good reason for this . At the end of the day, it costs me as it is, to run the List Server and its me who picks up its entire bill.

[Filter bypass edit. Please just let the filter do its job. - FQuist]
[I would love to let the Filter do its job, if you set it up correctly. -Nimrod]

[SpybunnyCC]

I'm not going to spend hours finding a new way to ban Orbitz at my router which will allow him to access the list but nothing else, I actually like to protect my resources and won't spend hours of my own time trying to ensure one little kid who doesnt deserve anything can access my list, something that costs ME money to run.



i agree with that

[Link]

So honest to god (mainly aimed at Link) if you call it power abuse that I like to protect my resources from someone who openly abuses them, I seriously urge you to provide a da`mn good reason for this . At the end of the day, it costs me as it is, to run the List Server and its me who picks up its entire bill.
I recognize this. I also apologize for arguing without knowing all of the facts.

In this thread, however, you did make a comment that sounded a bit like a threat to disconnect from Madskills. Also, regardless of the reasoning or nature of Orbitz's ban from your network, it is still <i>effectively</i> a ban from your list server. The most responsible action would be to find a way to allow him to access the list server (since it is a community service), but I can understand if you can't do this.

[Odin]

No. It's a guy called ThaSpaz and another guy called "Orbitz" whose real name is Adeel.

Adeel == Orbitz.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

I said that >O

[Odin]

I said that >O

Oh, I thought you were saying that there was a guy named Adeel who was working under the guise of Orbitz. Or something.

[FQuist]

It would be power abuse to not unban Orbitz from the network as a whole as promised, that's what we're talking about. Laws should not be applied retroactively, that is one of the fundamentals of ethics (sadly, some people here have a bit more machiavellian outlook on ethics). If you don't like the rules, deal with that earlier on.

Nimrod's banning people individually from his listserver is another issue, not really worrying, although it's unfortunate how untransparantly this is done. The worrying thing is how listserver administrators here apparently follow the belief that 'innocent until proven guilty' does not exist, that decisions about bans should not be made based on evidence, and that half the listserver crew would like to dump the rules that keep the listservers even remotely transparent ('remotely' since no serious attempts at transparency have been made before, with original official listservers being kicked out of the network without any proper outside announcement).

BoggyB: I don't think you've missed anything. Your assessment seems to be correct to me, sadly.

[Torkell]

...[Orbitz] received a Digiex ban a long time before he received a network ban. He totally attacked my jj2 servers when I use to host them (until myself and Overlord made protection), and for that he has been banned from any resource at Digiex, and that includes the list which we host.

...

I'm not going to spend hours finding a new way to ban Orbitz at my router which will allow him to access the list but nothing else, I actually like to protect my resources and won't spend hours of my own time trying to ensure one little kid who doesnt deserve anything can access my list, something that costs ME money to run.
This does change things. Given this, I have no objections to a continued ban for Orbitz from your network, as you are banning him because of attacks on your servers (which is a different case to banning him explicitly from the listservers). The fact doing so bans him from one of the listservers happens to be a side-effect of this, but I can understand your reasons better now. When it gets down to it, it's your server, and I can understand you taking steps to prevent attacks on your servers. However, you are providing a service to the community, and so you should at least keep people informed.


It would have helped matters if there had been more communication about this - until now I thought that he had been banned only from the listservers, and that he hadn't done anything to warrant an extension (not having seen anything posted either here or in the listserver community on livejournal). Perhaps there needs to be an official listserver news page, that's regularly updated with news of things like this.

[FQuist]

Nimrod, as far as I know, is talking about attacks that occurred in the past (not recent ones which would make 'he hadn't done anything to warrant an extension' relevant). Or at least, I don't think he specified anything about recent attacks. That wouldn't have been possible as Orbitz has been banned from his servers for a large while. I'm not entirely sure on these statements, but still quite sure. Nimrod could shed some light on this.

The listserver community on livejournal actually was started as official news page..

Nimrod, could you shed some light on what resources Orbitz actually attacked, too? Did he only attack your JJ2 servers? If so, the ban seems not relevant anymore if you do not play JJ2 anymore. You could just enforce the ban when you have a server up, which would save you those hours tweaking your router. And I cannot imagine that the few packets needed to call up your serverlist would cost you any money. I think that surfing the JCF for a little while sends you enough packets to compare to quite some time of listserver hosting.

[Monolith]

I just want to say that I respect Nimrod keeping control over his own servers, but I do dislike how this translates into hidden bans on part of the network service. As mentioned before, this is not a serious problem as there more than one server in the list server network, but it still has a significant effect due to the small number of list servers actually running. And there is also the problem that there is not formal way to deal with this.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

There is one way to stop the crashing, and I'm sure many people will not be happy if you actually decide to do this: close the list servers.

[Nimrod]

To answer some of the questions:

First of all, Links question about the threat.
That threat will always be there if a list which is part of the network doesnt act when it comes to crashing and so fourth. The moment a user can provide one bit of proof about Orbitz, or his best friend Adeel crashing we can issue a ban. If a member of the network doesnt act on this ban, I will quite frankly do everything possible to disconnect them.

In regards to possibly allowing access to the list, and no other resorce. If someone wishes to either:

Use the source code thats available for PeerGuardian, and code it to ignore port 10053-10059 when it comes to the IP Block List. This way Orbitz would be blocked from everything, except from the list.

Get the Linksys Wireless-G Broadband Router firmware source using the GNU License. Then do something similar to what I said above with PeerGuardian and the IP Ban list.

FQuist, while my browsing JCF I am using more bandwidth than the list would ever use. thats not really an issue. Bandwidth is extremely cheap, and I use it mostly for myself (Bit Torrent). The cost infact is the running of servers. A PC is left on 24/7 running the List Server. This first costs money in regards to electricity, secondly the hardware costs upfront, and when parts fail. It add's up, and I can ensure you it costs more than your Hostpointe Package does for J2o and you get that paid for by donations, I dont.

What did Orbitz attack?
Mainly my JJ2 Games, but he also took advantage of downloads available on my web server which includes all the JJ2 versions and JJ3. I'm protecting my bandwidth by stopping him be able to use my geneous free downloads, and my jj2 games when I actually play. Which isnt anymore. But I still never to intend to let him use my resources.

hope this feels the gaps.

[Odin]

In the end, it's Nimrod's desicion on what he does with his list servers, because it's his property. If you don't like the fact that Nimrod bans Orbitz from using his server, then simply don't use Nimrod's server. Monolith's server is in perfect condition.

[Monolith]

There is one way to stop the crashing, and I'm sure many people will not be happy if you actually decide to do this: close the list servers.You know you can still join (and crash) games without the list servers at all. All you need is the host's IP. So it's not like the list servers are the great bridge over a bottomless chasm between the clients and the servers.

[Vegito]

but looking up the IP of every server is annoying ;-P

[Sonyk]

Orbitz, or his best friend Adeel
Orbitz = Adeel

[adeel.rahman]

Hahaha, this site is still up? Wow. Sorry for any trouble I might have caused in the past. It's been 5 years, can't believe at the age of 11 I was able to do this much damage to a community like this.

[CrimiClown]

...oh my God! It's him! It's Orbitz! PUSH THE RED BUTTON!

[adeel.rahman]

Lmfao! You still play? How old are all you guys. Rofl @ my english back then, I'm having a fun time reading up on all my posts from back then.

[adeel.rahman]

And don't worry I have no interests in playing this game again, but it sure was great while it lasted!

[Grytolle]

omg its the most evil bad (-)(-)(-) ever on jj2!

wb!!!

[adeel.rahman]

Lmao, I still to this day can't imagine how I acquired all those hacking programs and did what i did to this community. I remember the one I used to use the most 'ASD' - Advanced Server Destruction. I still have a copy of that on my old computer, I doubt it'll work though. I may just give this game a shot again just for the memories, legit ofcourse :P.

[adeel.rahman]

I wonder if I'm still banned :lol:

[cooba]

This thread is stupid and it was extremely silly for Nimrod and Monolith to make this a public poll. Ultimately good came out of this, in the form of NeoAC and then Carrotade and eventually JJ2+.

Adeel: don't worry about it, everyone was exhaggerating their (-)(-)(-)(-)(-) off in this thread.

Also:










ORBITZ IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)>ORBITZ IS BACK??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)

--------->ORBITZ IS BACK AND WILL DESTROY JJ2SATAN HUSSEIN IS IN JALE&lt;/blin&gt;k<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/b6icbHgz6fI?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/b6icbHgz6fI?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

<a href="http://www.glitter-graphics.com/myspace/text_generator.php" target=_blank><img src="http://text.glitter-graphics.net/amflag/o.gif" border=0><img src="http://text.glitter-graphics.net/amflag/m.gif" border=0><img src="http://text.glitter-graphics.net/amflag/f.gif" border=0><img src="http://text.glitter-graphics.net/amflag/g.gif" border=0></a>








This thread is now concluded.

[minmay]

I looked at this thread, noticed I voted, and realized I can't remember what the hell it was that you did. I mean, I can extrapolate that you did some server crashing but I forget ever actually seeing it happen.

[spaceboy]

Orbitz should be put in real life jail for his crimes against humanity.

[adeel.rahman]

Haha looks like the community still hates me!

[spaceboy]

If we ever meet you IRL we'll chase you with torches and pitchforks.

[adeel.rahman]

We? I'm sure you don't speak for the whole community, there's still a lot of people here I've met up with that are glad that I'm back! Well, I'm gonna go for now, I don't wana cause too much more commotion here on the forums, but keep an eye out for me in-game I might make an appearance! (I don't mean that in a bad way XD)

[Toni]

I wonder who of those noobs (yeah there're too much of noobs here) gave positive reputation to adeel. Oh, r3p, gl with that :p and go ahead. adeel, get out of this community.

[Dermo]

We? I'm sure you don't speak for the whole community, there's still a lot of people here I've met up with that are glad that I'm back! Well, I'm gonna go for now, I don't wana cause too much more commotion here on the forums, but keep an eye out for me in-game I might make an appearance! (I don't mean that in a bad way XD)

Dermo here (drmooRR as you knew me). Miss you!!!

[FawFul]

Hahaha, this site is still up? Wow. Sorry for any trouble I might have caused in the past. It's been 5 years, can't believe at the age of 11 I was able to do this much damage to a community like this.

..Who is this hippie anyways?

[Newspaz]

I still can't believe I voted in favor of this.

[spaceboy]

Well this guy made it impossible to play JJ2 online for a while. He deserved that.

[Vegito]

Yeah, I agree with R3p. Cooba/NewSpaz: I don't think 'the community' overreacted. Try playing a game that ... couldn't be played online cause of a crasher, basically? That was how it at one point was. Host a game get crashed almost immediately. It had to be solved one way or another at that time.

Faw: He is Orbitz. Almost as legendary as Shaney! Imagine that.
Anyway, wb. Enjoy the game ;-) haha

[n00b]

I looked at this thread, noticed I voted, and realized I can't remember what the hell it was that you did. I mean, I can extrapolate that you did some server crashing but I forget ever actually seeing it happen.
Same. Im pretty sure I voted in favor mostly because Adeel was a major dick on the forums.

You seem cool now, mate. Lets all hug it out.

[cooba]

Cooba/NewSpaz: I don't think 'the community' overreacted. Try playing a game that ... couldn't be played online cause of a crasher, basically? That was how it at one point was. Host a game get crashed almost immediately.Really? Gee thanks, I'm new here so I didn't know that.

[minmay]

Well, you were very clearly acting like you didn't know that.

[Lithium]

I wonder who of those noobs (yeah there're too much of noobs here) gave positive reputation to adeel. Oh, r3p, gl with that :p and go ahead. adeel, get out of this community.

Uh...How the hell can you hate him when you haven't even played then? I mean,I haven't played back then but still,you hate someone who was crashing servers with ASD?! We today have serverlist spammers,ghost hacks and whatever and still no one seems to care about it. Instead of dealing with those things we have the community attack the guy who did something 5 years ago with a program that is today obsolete?

Well this guy made it impossible to play JJ2 online for a while. He deserved that.

Alright,let's give a 1000-year ban to every n00b who cheats in your server,tries to crash it or whatever....Would you like it? Not like I'm defending Orbitz,but hey,it was long ago,let's leave it.

[Dermo]

It was long ago. But at the time, yes, I agree that he should've been banned. I couldn't host a server without getting crashed within the first 10 seconds, it got so annoying.