racism on jj2

[shaney]

well people first of all there was an offensive image but now that we all know whatas goin on and some peops agreed to stop i have folted tghe imaage and now , and now lets all work on this anti bully\racist thing we are a comunity so lets do something against this problem driving our comunity apart



for words like calling people jew muslim hater you know we need to stop and it all starts with you


http://www.anl.org.uk/images/rar.jpg

[FQuist]

This post is quite confusing and the image does not load. It barely makes any sense. The gist however, seems to be that people keep using jew and the offensive n word towards black in jokey (faux?) racist ways to upset Shaney. This is behaviour that should be below JJ2 users.

[White Rabbit]

The image will load for me and I can see one player with a really long name (Jewish (-)) spread across the screen and the F9 list.

Following him to JJ2 isn't such a smart idea. Picking specifically on someone, and ruining his game is no better than making life sour for everyone online. I'm afraid all I can do is condemn the action, because there's no way of finding out who this person/people are.

[Sonyk]

I know about the person in that picture, and I know that nothing offensive is intended by it. It's just a name he used to describe himself. Not as a general attack on jews.

[White Rabbit]

Hmm, in light of this, I can't say that this can't be just a coincidence, but shaney has previously posted a topic (now deleted) about others calling him offensive names like that shown in the screenshot.

[n00b]

Ok, shaney I apoligize for my poor attempt at adding light to the conversation. I now understand the qoute "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probrally a duck" is not real well known anywhere outside of my area.
And people outside of my area probrally do not find any version of it funny.
I however deny your claims it was directed at you.

[shaney]

Ok, shaney I apoligize for my poor attempt at adding light to the conversation. I now understand the qoute "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probrally a duck" is not real well known anywhere outside of my area.
And people outside of my area probrally do not find any version of it funny.
I however deny your claims it was directed at you.\



"If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probrally a duck" no in mirc you quoted it as if it quacks like jew it is probally a jew and many people were calling me jew that time so i dearly yes take it persnonal (man)

[Personal attack edit - FQuist]

[shaney]

and sonyk report that (-) that had his name JN(offending so shortend) tell me who it was so i can forgive you its offending so if you find it not offending ou find it no problem that ypou call the name danyjel maybe

[n00b]

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"If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probrally a duck" no in mirc you quoted it as if it quacks like jew it is probally a jew and many people were calling me jew that time so i dearly yes take it persnonal sucka
See the thing is around here when someone says that, everyone sees it as a joke. Apparently over there it's different. And if you took it personally you should have asked me about it during that chat, not 4 days later in a different channel.

[Radium]

I rate your image file 1.

[Link]

This sort of trolling is an ongoing problem in #jj2, and not limited to shaney. It's sad to see it now entering the game and the community in general.

[ShadowGPW]

Everbody thats making these "<i>funny</i>" Nazism comments should take a short visit to Auswitsch (Oswiecim) near Krakow. Especially some of the #jj2 users and oppers. Perhaps someday you will learn that making "<I>jokes</i>" about it, is unrespect full and sick minded. Trust me, you will be reborn once you have visited the darned place.

[shaney]

GG insomnia

[R3ptile]

Everbody thats making these "<i>funny</i>" Nazism comments should take a short visit to Auswitsch (Oswiecim) near Krakow. Especially some of the #jj2 users and oppers. Perhaps someday you will learn that making "<I>jokes</i>" about it, is unrespect full and sick minded. Trust me, you will be reborn once you have visited the darned place.
Couldn't agree more.

[n00b]

"[DanYjel] I am Jewish (-)!"
Confirms who Jewish (-) is.
BTW, if #jj2 counts as a private chat, then please delete this post.

[ShadowGPW]

"[DanYjel] I am Jewish (-)!"
Confirms who Jewish (-) is.
BTW, if #jj2 counts as a private chat, then please delete this post.
like eh, no? Don't see any valid reasons to do so. Carry on with talking, but ill monitor this topic closely :)

[Trafton]

I would like to officially apologise to anyone I have offended with any sort of joke of this sort in #jj2, or wherever. Any use of this was for provocation, not out of racism. But, in any case, this offends people, so I should not have been doing it. Sorry.

[LittleFreak]

Everbody thats making these "<i>funny</i>" Nazism comments should take a short visit to Auswitsch (Oswiecim) near Krakow. Especially some of the #jj2 users and oppers. Perhaps someday you will learn that making "<I>jokes</i>" about it, is unrespect full and sick minded. Trust me, you will be reborn once you have visited the darned place.

I haven't been there yet, but I can imagine how it is. I fully agree.

[Sasik]

Everbody thats making these "<i>funny</i>" Nazism comments should take a short visit to Auswitsch (Oswiecim) near Krakow. Especially some of the #jj2 users and oppers. Perhaps someday you will learn that making "<I>jokes</i>" about it, is unrespect full and sick minded. Trust me, you will be reborn once you have visited the darned place.
Shadow is totally right.
Nazi camps were horrible places, I can't understand how people can makes jokes about it. I was in Oswiecim ( and some other camps too ), when you cross the gate with inscription: ‘Arbeit macht frei’, you can’t stay indifference. Now, before you say some 'funny joke' about it, think first.

[DoubleGJ]

Normally I'm 100% tolerant but even a small form of nazism is where I draw the line. It's just completely wrong to make fun of people for their beliefs.

[Vegito]

I dont understand the fun of it either... ;\

[Chiyu]

(PA)

1. Stop insulting Sasik, Maverick and Danyjel. Even though you're just quoting stuff/posting chatlogs, you could have filtered your nickname.
2. Stop taking your personal problems/fights up to public message boards like this. What do other people care? Also, what's the use? You won't gain anything from this.
3. I fail to see why you put this in a "racism" thread. :P

[DanYjel]

Stop insulting Sasik, Maverick and Danyjel.
Yes. (Thanks, Chiyu)

[ShadowGPW]

1. Stop insulting Sasik, Maverick and Danyjel. Even though you're just quoting stuff/posting chatlogs, you could have filtered your nickname.
2. Stop taking your personal problems/fights up to public message boards like this. What do other people care? Also, what's the use? You won't gain anything from this.
3. I fail to see why you put this in a "racism" thread. :P

What ever he says, insults or does. It is still no reason to put Nazism or any references of the holocaust into it, try to be a man and take him on a personal way.

[n00b]

Can you give one example where someone was using nazism?

[Sonyk]

and sonyk report that (-) that had his name JN(offending so shortend) tell me who it was so i can forgive you its offending so if you find it not offending ou find it no problem that ypou call the name danyjel maybeI didn't understand this at all. Do you mean "It's offending, rat him out, and I'll forgive you? Even if it's not offending and find it to be no problem you can... {blame Danjyel?}."

And, if that's what you meant, I'm not going to say who it was, since no offence or racism was implied by anyone but you, I'd say you are overreacting. Especially since the person was describing HIMSELF, and not attacking or intending to offend ANYONE.

[FQuist]

2. Stop taking your personal problems/fights up to public message boards like this. What do other people care? Also, what's the use? You won't gain anything from this.

If someone's being collectively bullied it's in everyone's interest to care. It does not cause a healthy community to have someone unable to go anywhere without getting insulted. Since people in your clan have quite some part in this situation at times, it would be constructive for you to post some statement against the general bullying, which is going way too far.

[ShadowGPW]

Can you give one example where someone was using nazism?
a stupid question to ask, not going to reply seriously on this one.

[Chiyu]

What ever he says, insults or does. It is still no reason to put Nazism or any references of the holocaust into it, try to be a man and take him on a personal way.
Erm, wait a second. I never said anything about the holocaust or about nazism in general. Ofcourse that's wrong, and I really think those kind of comments are going way too far.
I merely quoted, and referred to, the post prior to mine, which was about me stealing his display photo at MSN and using it myself. I have no reason to take him on a personal way, since we're friends, and I'm only supporting him in this case.

If someone's being collectively bullied it's in everyone's interest to care. It does not cause a healthy community to have someone unable to go anywhere without getting insulted. Since people in your clan have quite some part in this situation at times, it would be constructive for you to post some statement against the general bullying, which is going way too far.

People in my clan have been rather nice towards him lately. In fact, Shaney and I have even briefly spoken about him rejoining the clan. I'm sure there are plenty of places in this community where he can go without getting insulted. For example, we protect him well at our IRC channel or our forums.



However, as I already spoke about with Nimrod regarding the list servers; I do think it's wrong that he takes matters into his own hands, by crashing servers after he feels he has been the victim of nazism, racism or anything. He makes a big mistake there, especially when he crashes the servers of innocent people.

[n00b]

a stupid question to ask, not going to reply seriously on this one.
No I am being serious, all I've seen is people calling shaney a jew because it annoys him. I have not seen anyone going around saying "Kill all the jews etc. etc."

[R3ptile]

No I am being serious, all I've seen is people calling shaney a jew because it annoys him. I have not seen anyone going around saying "Kill all the jews etc. etc."
Well that means you missed some #JJ2 chats then. :Z

[White Rabbit]

@Chiyu: You've made a poll listing some pretty gruesome ways of banning Shaney from the Cracco Clan forums...that's your protection? ;p http://craccoclan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=787
(Signing up is required.)

Admittedly, tt was more than 2 months ago.

[Tubz]

Racism in JJ2, ehh? I remember one someone made this porn tileset, basically it was topless Britney Spears. The game is just sick nowadays.

[LittleFreak]

Racism in JJ2, ehh? I remember one someone made this porn tileset, basically it was topless Britney Spears. The game is just sick nowadays.

Hahaha, do you still have the link for that? =P

[Fawriel]

I highly doubt that it's still on the site..

[CrimiClown]

Hahaha, do you still have the link for that? =P


Do you think that the staff would allow that to stay? :O

[LittleFreak]

Darn. Forgot that. ;l

Well, still I had liked to see it. Just for a laugh. =P

[JelZe GoldRabbit]

Racism in JJ2, ehh? I remember one someone made this porn tileset, basically it was topless Britney Spears. The game is just sick nowadays.

It's not the game, it's the community that surrounds it ;)

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

[Newspaz]

Hahaha, do you still have the link for that? =P
I've seen a lot worse myself. Made by and enjoyed by certain members of a certain clan.

[n00b]

Well that means you missed some #JJ2 chats then. :Z
Well can I get the examples instead of "Well to bad, you asked a stupid question because you weren't there, so we're going to be jerks and not tell you"

[ShadowGPW]

Well can I get the examples instead of "Well to bad, you asked a stupid question because you weren't there, so we're going to be jerks and not tell you"

We are surely not going to post it in here.

[n00b]

We are surely not going to post it in here.
And that is why PMs and Email were invented.

[Sonyk]

I am X race and I because I am X race, I am better than Y race. Y race is pathetic so they don't deserve to live.

[ShadowGPW]

And that is why PMs and Email were invented.

give me first a reason why you want it? What brings it good to you? Don't see any reason to do so.. Now quit asking.

[n00b]

give me first a reason why you want it? What brings it good to you? Don't see any reason to do so.. Now quit asking.
So that way I know exactly why everyone is complaining about nazism, otherwise based on my experience, I will have to believe everyone is taking this to far since calling someone a jew because it annoys them is not nazism, and you're not giving me proof nazism ever happened.

[Black Ninja]

I have to agree with n00b. I've seen people say things that could be considered racist, but never in a hurtful way. It's usually just meant to annoy someone. I may be wrong, but it looks like shaney is taking things out of proportion.

[Nitro]

Get over it! Just because I live in Israel people assume I am Jewish (although I think religeon is stupid so I don't take part in it), anyway I see plenty of 'stupid jew' shouts on the internet or 'joob', sure it's silly, but if you as me it's even more silly to make a big deal about it, since you can't help it. So who cares!
Let me sum it up for you, you have this problem with the 'racism on jj2', this problem hasn't got a sollution, you can't help it, (so that means also crying won't help). So the only option is to get along with it, and carry on in normal life (in other words who cares heh).

[LittleFreak]

So you're saying you shouldn't respond to anything you don't like and don't solve any problems at all?

[Nitro]

No LF, you shouldn't respond to anything you don't like that you CAN'T solve, that's logically pointless. If you think you can solve it then go ahead and try.

[LittleFreak]

OK. I got you to say the same thing as I did.

That means I won!

[Nitro]

LF it means we agree...
And you don't win...i win cos for me winning is agreeing.....so hah! loser.

[LittleFreak]

Losers are the only winners.

Haha, I win.

[n00b]

While this thread is 'revived' let me point out no one save for Sonyk gave me proof the racism on JJ2 ever existed. And Sonyk's example wasn't a quote showing me that someone actually said that.
Conclusion: Everyone is making a big deal over nothing, nazism never happened in the jj2 community, and if Danyjel's quotes of shaney from a private convo which he posted at #jj2 are real, then Shaney is the one who was being racist.

[Nitro]

You don't need quotes. You need to play and see for yourself. I've seen Israeli players call people nazi. I've seen other players call people jew.

[n00b]

This has never happened in my experince, and I'd like to see actual proof that it exists. Maybe if you mentioned what times this happened or what server This isn't CS, so saying "any old server" isn't going to work.

[Nitro]

In Reptile's server, times? any time I played before a month or two ago, since I straighend it out with him.
And on various times I seen people call people jew...I don't log it or check the time thoguh cos I don't care, it doesn't matter either way though.