JJ2WC III: Tournament Announcements

[Nielsje]

Good evening everyone.

As we all know and have seen, the last two seasons of the Jazz Jackrabbit World Championships (JJ2WC) have been very successful, thanks to a very well coordinated organization and a wide spread enthusiasm among the participating clans. Thanks to this success, we were able to organize a third edition of this precious tournament. It might be a little early to announce this third edition already, but I get loads of PM’s, MSN messages and e-mails almost every day so I decided to clear things up a bit already.

First, the date. Last season of JJ2WC was played during April and May of 2005, and was won by CC. Because it’s fair to have one world champion each year (like sports do) it’s logical that the next season of JJ2WC would take place in another year. The tournament is planned for January 2006, and it’s to be expected that all the upcoming JJ2WC’s will also be held in January of each year. Therefore, the winning clan can call itself JJ2’s 2006 World Champion. In advance of the third edition of this tournament, there will be another JJ2WC Duellist Tournament (formerly known as Pre-JJ2WC-duel-tournament) which will be held during November 2005.

The construction of the tournament won’t be changed much, but there will be some changes compared to the other two JJ2WC’s seasons. For the first time, JJ2WC will have, besides the original CTF tournament, a TeamBattle Cup. The rules of this new form of tournament are yet to be made, but it’s almost sure that the matches will be played with 3 players for each team, and that it will consist out of two rounds (like the CTF matches) which will last for 20 minutes, or 50 roasts.
Besides this new form of organization, there will be some other additions as well. From now on, all scores by each individual will be counted, as well as the number of roasts the player makes. At the end of the tournament, individuals can win awards for these things. Hopefully, we could use a modified version of ChatlogJJ2 which works under Windows XP to help us monitoring these statistics (it’s quite easy to extract scores and kills from a log file, but it’s extremely hard to do this from the game) About the rules system, it is not likely that much things will be changed. Same thing goes for the structure of the JJ2WC Duellist Tournament, which will be about the same as it was last time.

However, to get all these things started, I need cooperation from the rest of the community. It’s very difficult to organize such a tournament by myself, so I will need some active players who can help me during the tournament, as Officials (formerly known as Cupadmins). Officials will have a few duties during the tournament:
- Hosting games. It is not necessary for players to own a good server, as the hosting can be done by someone else. But it’s strongly recommended.
- Make sure that the games are played fair. I’ve seen it a few times last year that a fight broke out between members in a clan or between clans. It’s up for a Official to check that no fights are started, and that the players don’t use cheats, flame other players, move during a time-out situation etc.
- Log the matches and report scores. This can be done best by just sending the log to me (ChippieBW), and I will convert the raw stuff and insert it into the database.
- Write match logs and comment on IRC #JJ2WC will be used again as a public place where players will be informed during matches and stuff, and Officials can be assigned to do this.
The things above are the main tasks of a JJ2WC Official, here are some other requirements:
- Officials need to have a fast and stable internet connection. It should never happen that an Official drops out during a match or a comment because of an unstable internet connection, or a lack of speed. That’s why a good internet connection (i.e. Cable or ADSL) is required.
- Officials need to be ABSOLUTELY UNBIASED towards any clan. It’s a fact that some clans don’t like each other, and sadly that’s a thing we cannot easily change. To not let this affect the tournament, we won’t accept any people who have a reputation of hating special clans. Not many people are like this, but I will surely inspect it.
- Officials need to have certain experience in the game, be respected among the community and know the rules. This is the main rule, and I guess everything speaks for itself. Also, good knowledge of the English language will come in handy.
- Each clan can only represent 1 Official. This is to prevent that a certain clan influences the game too much. Most likely there will be an Official for each participating clan (unless the clan does not wish to send a representative), so the total will be around 10. At least I hope.
NOTE: I’ve had many people asking if they could be my co-Supervisor during this tournament, but I’ll have to disappoint them – I will do the supervising job alone. You can still try to become an Official.

Another very important thing, perhaps even the most crucial thing about the tournament, are the levels that are going to be played. I know this point caused a large discussion last year, and I think we’re probably going to have the same thing this year. As JJ2WC is meant to be a tournament of progress in the sometimes rusty JJ2 scene, it’s our aim to include as many new levels as possible. By new, I mean everything that has been produced since last JJ2WC (after May 2005, that is). A problem is that not much good CTF levels have been produced since then, and the same thing goes for TeamBattle. That’s why I summon every active and experienced level creator in the scene to get his butt moving and make a good CTF/TeamBattle level for JJ2WC III! Of course, if it turns out there’s a lack of decent levels a while before the tournament, we will consider playing with older levels. But that’s not what everyone wants, and to prevent that I get flamed afterwards for not announcing a level design contest, I decided it to announce it now already.
The levels need to have some certain requirements:
- The maps need to big enough to play a 3 vs. 3 match in (no actual size requirements, but 130x70 should be around the minimum, depending on the playable area)
- The maps need to be balanced (symmetry is a good idea, although it’s not required – balance is mostly needed for CTF maps but it could also come in handy for certain TeamBattle maps)
- The maps need to have a certain level of originality, look good, and have a well distributed amount of ammo, pickups and powerups.

That’s about all for now, I hope everyone will read this post carefully before asking any questions. If you still have questions, you can post them here, or send them to me in an email, the address is chippiebw@ncmv.net (also my MSN). If you want to be an Official or you made a nice TeamBattle/CTF level which you would like to see during the tournament, you can do the same. For now, I’ll inform you all later.

Regards,
ChippieBW

[blurredd]

I agree with most of what's been posted, but I wouldn't count on getting a good version ChatLog for XP (I'm being a little pessimistic, but useful programs tend to not get made these days). Also, I don't think too much emphasis should be placed on how original or how good a level should be, although innovations and great eye candy would be a definite plus.

As for the Team Battle levels, I'm hoping the levels are well-made, seeing as it would be a shame if the gametype couldn't be played because of glitches. Personally, I think the method I created (see Team Battle in my signature, and thanks to FireSworD for his find) is the best overall method for creating TB levels since I haven't seen any major problems with it so far and it allows the warp targets in the playing area to be placed anywhere with no problem. The method could be simplified for certain levels, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you knew what you were doing doing. I might post a clearer version of my method if anyone asks. I wouldn't mind helping with the TB levels by the way.

From what I can tell, the next JJ2WC looks great already. Good luck with the tournaments!

[Grytolle]

Wee, I have a stabile connetion now =D (Actually it was fixed a while before CC holidays) so I guess I can sign up as an official, however I'll have to talk to the other CCers about it.

Great idea with haveing a teambattle-cup too. I hope we will decide to participate.

[White Rabbit]

You've mentioned nothing about clans choosing what levels they are going to play in. Is that then not going to be allowed in the tournament?

[Nielsje]

You've mentioned nothing about clans choosing what levels they are going to play in. Is that then not going to be allowed in the tournament?

Like last year, clans don't have the choice in which level they're going to play in. In that case, clans would train only in ONE certain level which they'd become unbeatable in after a while. Besides, clans would only pick overplayed and chewed-out levels like DW or Semi. Or they would pick one certain level for the entire tournament. Therefore, we will do the same thing as last year: there will be a number of rounds, and each round features a certain level. This is also a matter to prevent fights between clans about which map to choose.

[R3ptile]

Wow, sounds promising. Teambattle matches should be limited to <b>100</b> roasts in my opinion though. As for maps, we could use the JDC ones (http://www.jazz2online.com/jdc/levels.php?ext=eventlevels/Team%20Battle/JDC10R1/).

And please do <b>NOT</b> pick more than one new level. BBLAIR, DW, JE and Semi must be in.

[White Rabbit]

NOOOOOO. >O
Let's do all-new levels. :p

[Vegito]

(@ gry about teambattle... we'll probably will ;-P)

"And please do NOT pick more than one new level. BBLAIR, DW, JE and Semi must be in." - R3ptile.

I kind of agree.. well, lets say.. 50/50%? ;-P

[R3ptile]

The only new <b>good</b> level I can think of is Divide and Conquer, except it's probably way too big for 3on3's.

Edit: When I think about it, Sancutary is actually not a bad choice at all. :p

[cooba]

And whose idea it was to make a tournament with all brand new maps? \o/

This installment will be probably awesome. However I'm looking forward for the pre-tourney duel ladder (which will probably own too) because it's fun.

Chip: As for the TeamBattle cup, are you going to make people play with 3 hearts (default) or set the health level to 5 hearts using a program or another? Myself I'd prefer it to be set to 5, but I don't know what's your opinion on this and thus I'm waiting for your response.

Now that my concept appeared not to be usable outside JTF, I have to think of something else for my CTF level. Curse you, JJ2 limitations.

[Sasik]

I am not going to play in the next edition, so I don't care that much about JJ2WC, but I hope it will be well organized. Don't count on me as cupadmin/official this time.
Good luck and have fun to everyone, bye.

[Nielsje]

And please do <b>NOT</b> pick more than one new level. BBLAIR, DW, JE and Semi must be in.

Not pick more than one new level? My, I wonder what made you change your mind so fast... Last year, you tried everything you could to add as much new maps as possible and now you're doing the opposite? Well, I don't exactly know already which maps I will use, but as I said, I will try to add as many new maps as possible. At least if there are made enough in the upcoming months to be used in the tournament...
Anyway, I think it's unlikely that the big three (BBlair, DW and Semi) will be added, for it will surely cause a wave of disrespect and unbelief. However, if a whole lot of people agree with you on this point, I might consider adding a few of those inside the mappool. But I'm not sure at all.

Chip: As for the TeamBattle cup, are you going to make people play with 3 hearts (default) or set the health level to 5 hearts using a program or another? Myself I'd prefer it to be set to 5, but I don't know what's your opinion on this and thus I'm waiting for your response.


I already replied to you on MSN, but I think it might be useful to repost it here so everyone knows what we're talking about. You already showed me a program called "Death Controller", which makes it possible for players to have 5 hearts during CTF matches. This seems extremely useful and I think it's a good idea to use 5 instead of 3 hearts in TeamBattle, for it will add an extra strategical dimension to the gameplay. Instead of blind killing, people will have a higher chance to stay alive this time and the gameplay will be more team-based. I'm not really sure if I'm going to use it, but I'm really thinking of it.

[Ragnarok!]

I vote all new. Maybe one old but I say all new would attract more JCS inspiration

[SquirreL]

I vote for lots of olds and some new

[[GpW]Urbs]

maybe a poll would be in order? with say 3 options, all new(meaning: all new, with maybe an excpetion of 1 level)
all old(with an exception of a new level)
and fifty fifty (pick a number of levels that can be divided by 2, and start a jj2wc3 levelmaking competition)

BTW how are those numbers that can be divided by 2 called in english??

[blurredd]

I guess you mean even numbers, Urbs.

From what I quickly tested, Death Controller doesn't really work with 3+ hearts in CTF. And even if it did, players wouldn't always be able to be see how many hearts they really had or be able to get more carrots when they see they have 3 hearts. The best alternative to using a program like Death Controller is to include levels with no powerups and at least 3 carrots.

[cooba]

Death Controller doesn't really work with 3+ hearts in CTF.>O&nbsp;

[R3ptile]

3 hearts are enough. ;P

I think that somebody should go create a teambattle level with some more tactical layout and a shield.

[maverick]

Lvl with shield is fine with me. =)

[R3ptile]

Lvl with shield is fine with me. =)
15 second shield that respawns every 30 seconds.

[cooba]

15 second shield that respawns every 30 seconds.Someone could also go for overcomplexity and make a 5 second shield. Not that it would be useful in any way though... ;P

[Nielsje]

I think that somebody should go create a teambattle level with some more tactical layout and a shield.

Go ahead! :)

[NovaStar]

Do actual whole clans enter in this or single people?

[Nielsje]

Do actual whole clans enter in this or single people?

Depends on which tournament you want to particpate in. If you want to join the JJ2WC DUellist Tournament during November, it's not necessary to be in a clan. But if you also want to play during the JJ2WC Main Tournament during January 2006, you'll have to find/start a clan and gather enough skill to become member of the warteam.

[Grytolle]

A poll on JCF wouldn't be the best idea. There is no point in people voting that wont play anyways. Personally I dont care about what levels there are at all, except I'd hate to see levels with jails in the CTF-tournament, as long as the mappool is announced way ahead in time (1-2 months) - if not pick levels that everyone knows.

Coming to think of it, when will the hall of fame be updated? =/

For the interested; there is a thread discussing mappool at 8D's forums - http://8d.ncmv.net.

[NovaStar]

So, can I enter both?

[Vegito]

Not as long as your not in a clan..

[Grytolle]

He is in RR (;

[Vegito]

good luck with winning JJ2WC3 then. ;p

[White Rabbit]

Did you really write all that, Chippie?
I'm amazed I read through all of it. :lol:

[snzspeed]

actually, for levels, i vote all new + few good old ones like BBLAIR/SBv2/JE =)

[R3ptile]

All those new levels are bad and boring

[Superjazz]

All those new levels are bad and boring

Your opinions seem to be changing a lot. :rolleyes:

[R3ptile]

Your opinions seem to be changing a lot. :rolleyes:
Why do you say that? Read this thread carefully and find out they don't.

[CelL]

Know what would be fun?

To anounce every level on the day itself, and having people be oblivious on what levels will be played beforehand.

[[GpW]Urbs]

YES!!!!
I VOTE FOR THAT.
CELL u is genius!!!

[cooba]

Announce every level on the day itself, and having people be oblivious on what levels will be played beforehand.I will have to admit that this would work better than my mappool plan, where the maps would be released exactly one month before the tourney so the clans could make up their tactics.

[Vegito]

I dont like the CelL way.. :P
Since Im used to train in the level beforehand;l

[blurredd]

I personally think CelL's idea is great. It would be even better if all the levels were new and created by unbiased and reliable sources (I possibly could be one) who aren't participating in JJ2WC3, but a bunch of people are bound to not like this idea. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see how well clans do with spontaneity, and it would add another aspect for judging how good clans are.

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

It would however be a logistical nightmare if more than one person made levels. To ensure fairness no one other than the creater and his most trusted confederates who are not participating in the tournament should see the level until it's played in a match.

[Vegito]

((-) I LOST MY WHOLE POST BECAUSE OF THE ÇC BUG >()
in short:

I'd agree on this..
But then, the levels really must be totally new.. and NO player must have never seen it either. so no betatester who play in jj2wc3..
It'd be lame if well, CÇ has to play against FoR, and that the players from FoR has seen the level already...

[[GpW]Urbs]

well i dont agree all the levels should be new, that's not needed. But only chippie should know the level list...

[R3ptile]

i say 3 old 3 new so every body happi!!!! :(:(:(

dw\je
bblair
semi
sancutary
divide and conquer
*winner of the contest*

best mappool evre :D

[snzspeed]

i say 3 old 3 new so every body happi!!!! :(:(:(

dw\je
bblair
semi
sancutary
divide and conquer
*winner of the contest*

best mappool evre :D

~~ lol no i want voldrad cool tresure jungle or i be sad :(:(:( ~~

[Grytolle]

Sure, it was nice, except from that sucky Divide and Conquer-kind of thing.

[Ragnarok!]

I say a good list is :

Whantil
Jungle's Edge
RadioActive Soup
NOT SBv2
Divide and Conquer
Sanctuary

[Blackraptor]

heh. personally, i hate the map pool, but you probably wont change it anyways so \o/

[Chiyu]

Heh what I would like :P:
Diamondus Warzone
Happy Semiconductor
Jungle's Edge
Security Breach v2
Cave Connection
BloodBunny's Lair

And maybe Distopia and Medieval Skyscrapers to spice it up a little. :]

[Yasco]

I like Chiyu's mappool ;P (+some new levels ,perhaps)

[White Rabbit]

-DW
-BBlair
:|

[FQuist]

<strike>Base Construction</strike>

[R3ptile]

I agree with Chiyu's list except Sancutary instead of Cave Connection. >~<

[cooba]

What is it all with you people that are you being more conservative than Benedict XVI and keep on playing old (-) levels instead of doing something new this time? Just because you don't know those? A player well enough should be able to learn a level simple enough on the fly.

[Sasik]

I didn't know that Benedict XVI plays JJ2 :O
I wanna duel him ;D I'll even install jj2 again to play with him =p

[R3ptile]

What is it all with you people that are you being more conservative than Benedict XVI and keep on playing old (-) levels instead of doing something new this time? Just because you don't know those? A player well enough should be able to learn a level simple enough on the fly.
The new levels aren't as good as the old ones.

[White Rabbit]

That's your opinion. :|

[Grytolle]

What is it all with you people that are you being more conservative than Benedict XVI and keep on playing old (-) levels instead of doing something new this time? Just because you don't know those? A player well enough should be able to learn a level simple enough on the fly.I do that ::]

The new levels aren't as good as the old ones.Some are... However, I see nothing wrong in playing in a level everyone knows. :confused:

[R3ptile]

That's your opinion. :|
Name me a "new" level which is better and funner than BBLAIR, for example. :o

[Enigma]

I do that ::]

Some are... However, I see nothing wrong in playing in a level everyone knows. :confused:

A lot of the players who have been around on jj2 for 4-5 years kind of get bored playing the same levels for the [insert large number]th time. New maps are refreshing that way, it challenges you to invent new strategies.

[Superjazz]

Name me a "new" level which is better and funner than BBLAIR, for example. :o

DnC :-)

[Grytolle]

If you mean what I think you do, SJ, I feel sorry for your bad taste.

[Superjazz]

Let's say...Wcaves then? :D

[[GpW]Urbs]

Well basicly it doesn't matter whether the levels are old or new, because either way alot of people will just learn them by heart. I remember playing 1 level the whole week before a certain war was played durign the j2wc2. Not fun:)
I would urge, however, that we make a compromise between the old and new levels. Lets not forget, alot of great old levels were left out so far. Crimson Diamond, DW to name just 2. Marsh was one of the levels during the 1st season, but was left unplayed.
So what I suggest, is definetly at least 2 new levels, or maybe 3, for which a competition would be held, and the levels should be out in early november not late december. So we should get a move on. The rest of the levels should just be the legendary ones. It would also be nice to maybe go to the original system that each team picks a level. But each team could pick that level only once per the whole tourney, and maybe each team should be forced to pick a diff one(maybe). That would of course change in the semis and the finals, where I kinda go with R3ps idea of BBlair for the finals.

But hey... thats just me:) (despite being biased on some points, I definetly think there are some good points worthwile discussin in my post:))

EDIT: Some people might disagree with me when I say that the levels have to be out soon enough, by saying, they should get out as late as possible, so we could see who is the best at improvisation. Well unfortuanetly whilst I would like to see improvisation to be one of the key factors of the tournament, I thoroughly believe, that the levels have to be played by the players themselves before the tournament itself in order to assure their quality. I doubt we want to play in levels filled with bugs, or with levels who might actually get in the map pool, but later on prove they don't deserve to even be there. Cuz on the end it doesnt matter whethere the levels are new or old, it matters what their quality is. Although we don't want a map pool filled with old levels, we have to face it, that the levels which withstood the test of time for so long can't be all that bad(like classic literature for example). I shall now shut up.

[White Rabbit]

Yeah, DnC! >O
You <s>silly</s> ppl just can't understand it. ;P And SIM CTF. :(


EDIT: Name me a "new" level which is better and funner than BBLAIR, for example. :o

By saying 'That's your opinion', I mean that not everyone agrees/disagrees with you. Any levels that I like may not, in your eyes, be better or (funnIer) than BBlair. ;P But you asked for it:

DnC. :p
Lemon Nightmare.
Bay of Diamonds.
Sanctuary.

[Vegito]

I agree with Chiyu's list except Sancutary instead of Cave Connection. >~<

I agree, and Marsh in it would be cool as well ;P

Urbs']
So what I suggest, is definetly at least 2 new levels, or maybe 3, for which a competition would be held, and the levels should be out in early november not late december. So we should get a move on. The rest of the levels should just be the legendary ones. It would also be nice to maybe go to the original system that each team picks a level. But each team could pick that level only once per the whole tourney, and maybe each team should be forced to pick a diff one(maybe). That would of course change in the semis and the finals, where I kinda go with R3ps idea of BBlair for the finals.

HATE @ BBLAIR! but that's just my opinion ;P
Anyways, I'd agree with 2 new levels. And you know?? I want people to make those asap then, so we can test the levels.. AND we don't risk that some level maker gives the level to one clan to help them... :P

[R3ptile]

DnC. :p
Uhh too big and evil, but I can live with it.
Lemon Nightmare.
The layout is just wrong there, and could be done way better.
Bay of Diamonds.
I don't think this map is good enough for JJ2WC, no offence to Chippie ofc. ;P
Sanctuary.
This one is actually great. I really like it.

[blurredd]

The problem that I see with newer levels is that the good ones on average are a little too small for 3on3's.

Urbs']It would also be nice to maybe go to the original system that each team picks a level. But each team could pick that level only once per the whole tourney, and maybe each team should be forced to pick a diff one(maybe).
I like this idea, especially if a large pool of levels is used (I'm thinking 20 levels at least). It would be interesting to see how things turn out.

[Grytolle]

Let's say...Wcaves then? :DSURE :D
The problem that I see with newer levels is that the good ones on average are a little too small for 3on3's.What do you mean by "too small"? In my experience there is no such thing as too small levels... or there is (Bleached Diamondus? ;p), but... Any normally sized level, like most of the newer levles are, should be alright. Actually, anything as big as miniDW is big enough, considering 3v3s there are plainly awsome. :D <strike>Atleast it's better than DnC :lori: </strike>

Ohyes, Base Construction plz! And other rag-levels. Rag owns! :p <strike>I offer my soul to Chip if he adds Technodus Cargo Station to the mappool 8D </strike>

[White Rabbit]

Rag's Fortress plz. :(

....darn, or was it Stronghold? Well, the CTF one.

[blurredd]

I should change my argument since I forgot a lot of recent levels (the trend of small 2on2 levels is passing), although no one seems eager to play them anyway. I can't help it if servers can't easily host random new levels to get interest up, which is one thing a certain unreleased program could solve.

By "a little too small" I mean gameplay starts to get chaotic with six or more players, meaning limited strategy. I'm not really fond of playing under those conditions, but I could imagine others don't mind as much.

[Grytolle]

Well, It's just different kinds of strategy ;P

[[GpW]Urbs]

Uhm I agree with Blurs idea about a big level pool. Plus if each clan can chose a level(each level only 1 time mind!!!), it almost makes the thing more fair imho. Cuz lets face it, no team has the same skill on every level, and should two clans be rather equal, one clan could lose because of the level.

[R3ptile]

"Strategies", haha, do me a favor, all you (have to) do is to camp one of the bases and hope to stay alive. :P

Teambattle > CTF. Period.

[Nielsje]

I think I'll just make a mappool of about 20 levels and announce the map about one day in advance. Then every clan has to train 20 maps. Which would be awesome.

BTW, I haven't received any TB levels so far, maybe some people could give a few suggestions?

[FQuist]

Evil. Nice idea.

[Grytolle]

"Strategies", haha, do me a favor, all you (have to) do is to camp one of the bases and hope to stay alive. :PTrue. WHEN YOU HOST. *thinks of CC<!--.--> vs. VS round I on bblair*

[R3ptile]

I haven't received any TB levels so far, maybe some people could give a few suggestions?
Click. (http://www.jazz2online.com/jdc/levels/eventlevels/Team%20Battle/JDC10R1/JDC10R1TB.zip)

True. WHEN YOU HOST. *thinks of CC<!--.--> vs. VS round I on bblair*
Hey shut up my ping isn't lower in your servers and I never complain you (human), it's not my fault that you can't handle a ping which is higher than 70MS! :Z

[Personal attack edit - FQuist]

[Grytolle]

We coped with it... ;p Dizzy's (who on a sidenote lives farther away) server was a whole lot better though.

[R3ptile]

We coped with it... ;p Dizzy's (who on a sidenote lives farther away) server was a whole lot better though.
Then why VS said that my server was excellent for them? ;) Besides, Israeli ISP's sux. We got high download speeds but sadly nothing else.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Chippie, you pwn, period!

EDIT: b1, b2, b3 are TB's (not the original verisons of course)

[Grytolle]

Then why VS said that my server was excellent for them? ;) Besides, Israeli ISP's sux. We got high download speeds but sadly nothing else.I'll answer that with risk of makeing VS feel accused... They knew they had a higher chance of winning if you hosted than if we had a good host.

[Vegito]

*COUGH* YOU NEVER COMPLAIN *COUGH*, r3p.

But Chip, there's one little problem then.
What if one of the levels leaks out, and what if one of the levels is too bugged to play in?
you'll get problems with you then.

[White Rabbit]

I already know about half of the lvls to be included, and none of them are bugged. ;p
I wouldn't worry about one of the lvls leaking out, since the complete lvl pool (what the heck is map pool?!) will be revelead prior to JJ2WC3 (and a preliminary one to be revelead this week, I hope).

[Grytolle]

You are in charge of this, WR? ;o

Edit: Plz create levelmeekin contest plz i wann see moire new cool lvls ok?? ok and plzz no jails ok?? rags levls plz ok?? k :7

[Sasik]

Then why VS said that my server was excellent for them? Besides, Israeli ISP's sux. We got high download speeds but sadly nothing else.
I'll answer that with risk of makeing VS feel accused... They knew they had a higher chance of winning if you hosted than if we had a good host.
Ekhm...You aren't an oracle, Gry. I wonder how can you know what we thought ? O.o It was rather you who thought that you would lose at R3p's server >_>

I am not used to complaining about ping/lags etc. and at R3p's server the ping was lower than at DizZy's. But I didn't have anything against both servers, so I thought that there was no need to change the host. Only you wanted that ;_; But whatever, it didn't make any difference for me.

Oh well, now it's only the history ;)

And one thing: Someone could record the Grand Final next time ;P

[White Rabbit]

You are in charge of this, WR? ;o

Edit: Plz create levelmeekin contest plz i wann see moire new cool lvls ok?? ok and plzz no jails ok?? rags levls plz ok?? k :7

I was with Chippie in a top secret meeting held at <s>HQ</s> #[TF]. It's top secret in that none of us told anyone until it was over. But it was public. Too bad you missed it. :p We helped make a lot of decisions and gave suggestions (but Chippie did most of the decisions, obviously).

[Nielsje]

But Chip, there's one little problem then.
What if one of the levels leaks out, and what if one of the levels is too bugged to play in?
you'll get problems with you then.

Official confirmation of what WR stated: Yes, the entire mappool will be published way before the tournament starts. Maybe this week already, but I wouldn't count on it since I'll go on holiday next friday and I like to read all the critism directly.
Being afraid the played levels will leak out? Don't worry - I'll tell no-one, really NO-ONE, which level will be played. It will be published on our website (which is currently under construction by the way) about one hour before the estimated start of the match, not earlier. Don't try to bribe me to release information - you won't get anything out of me ;-)

[Vegito]

wee yay ++ chip ;P

[R3ptile]

I have a cool idea for the 1v1 tourney - an invitational tournament. 12~ players would be invited according to their activity and last accomplishments and the others would have to win the qualification spots.

That would rock and keep people tense. :p

As for the teambattle cup, Battle1 <s>should</s> must be replaced by Blur's modification (Battle Game XII?). All we have to do is bug him enough so he could bother to create a teambattle version.

[cooba]

All we have to do is bug him enough so he could bother to create a teambattle version.Already there.

[snzspeed]

I have a cool idea for the 1v1 tourney - an invitational tournament. 12~ players would be invited according to their activity and last accomplishments and the others would have to win the qualification spots.

That would rock and keep people tense. :p

or 2 best players from each country? :rolleyes:

[cooba]

It will be published on our website about one hour before the estimated start of the match, not earlier.And what about the match pregames? Should they start as soon as the level choice is published, or in, say, 30 minutes after that?

[Nielsje]

I have a cool idea for the 1v1 tourney - an invitational tournament. 12~ players would be invited according to their activity and last accomplishments and the others would have to win the qualification spots.

That would rock and keep people tense. :p

I don't really know about that... My idea was to make a 32-player knock-out tournament again, like last year, and the first 32 subscribers would enter it. Hower, good players could be tipped in advance ("Hey, the subscription starts in 30 minutes. Be there!") to ensure that good players can participate ;)

And what about the match pregames? Should they start as soon as the level choice is published, or in, say, 30 minutes after that?

I think the pregames will start on about the same times as last season, which means around 30 minutes before the actual matches start.

[Enigma]

I have a cool idea for the 1v1 tourney - an invitational tournament. 12~ players would be invited according to their activity and last accomplishments and the others would have to win the qualification spots.

That would rock and keep people tense. :p

"OMG UNFAIR [censored] [censored] ADMIN POWER ABUSER TYRANTS I PWN I SHOULD HAVE INVITE NOT THAT [censored] [censored] NOOB"

Yes, I am fairly positive that's what would happen. It's probably just best if the first x number of people who sign up get to play, and some others have to qualify. (And if Chippie wants certain people in and tip them off, well, no one's going to be the wiser there, it can't be avoided ;))

Edit: huh? I seem to have accessed some smiley that I didn't even know existed on these forums. Glee. Which is all the more fun because I didn't actually enter the required characters for it, according to the smiley list.

[R3ptile]

Already there.
omb rly? well thats nice 2 know!!!1

[Vegito]

I'd say.. the first 24/12 (depends on the number of jj2 duelists who want to sign up) will directly get a place in the tournament.
After that, the others have to qualify themselves...

[R3ptile]

"OMG UNFAIR [censored] [censored] ADMIN POWER ABUSER TYRANTS I PWN I SHOULD HAVE INVITE NOT THAT [censored] [censored] NOOB"
Well that would be really immature. If you were not invited, you should know that your pre-JJ2WC\JDC rankings weren't high enough..

In my opinion this idea is better, because after all we wouldn't like to see two top players like Shaney and Anubis facing each other at the qualification stage because they were too busy and couldn't sign up in time. :|

[Grytolle]

R3p has a point... Make sure that Anubis gets a place. R3p would have to qualify though, sorry but that's the cold truth ;<

[[GpW]Urbs]

I'm all for the 2 people from each country:). Slovenia only has 2 people playing jj2, me and overlord:)

[R3ptile]

R3p has a point... Make sure that Anubis gets a place. R3p would have to qualify though, sorry but that's the cold truth ;<
More like the cold sarcasm tbh. o.O;;

[Sasik]

JJ2 Nations Cup would be an interesting idea :-)

[Grytolle]

YEAH ME KAJA AND OLSEN WILL KICK UR (-) ;DDDDDDDDDDD lOL we WILL OWN U SO gOOD ^^ (plz lemme play with finland :( )

[[GpW]Urbs]

heh that might not be so good gry. SJ and Snz dislike each other a lot from what I've seen today:)

[Grytolle]

Oh, it's 2on2? :(

[Yasco]

They do?

[Sasik]

Whatever, People would like to play for their countries ;P
And the personal feelings aren't important that much here ;d

and, btw. who's KAJA ? ;o

[White Rabbit]

What do you mean ppl will want to play for their own countries? ;( It wouldn't be a fair representation either. Britain does not raise better Jazzers than any other country even if any British players happen to win. ;P

[snzspeed]

Urbs']heh that might not be so good gry. SJ and Snz dislike each other a lot from what I've seen today:)

i think we are ok now :) and yea gry could play with us , we could enter as scandinavia :p

[R3ptile]

i think we are ok now :) and yea gry could play with us , we could enter as scandinavia :p
so israel could enter as middle east! w0w0w gr8 m8!

[snzspeed]

so israel could enter as middle east! w0w0w gr8 m8!

jees m8 :))))))))))))))))))) :god:

[White Rabbit]

<s>Haha, Finland isn't technically a Scandinavian country.</s>

Anyway, the forest would be very quiet if only the best birds sang. :p
I wouldn't want an invitational tournament either.

[snzspeed]

<s>Haha, Finland isn't technically a Scandinavian country.</s>

Anyway, the forest would be very quiet if only the best birds sang. :p
I wouldn't want an invitational tournament either.

it is scandinavian country :f

[Sasik]

Well, they can make something like Kalmar Union :-)

[snzspeed]

Well, they can make something like Kalmar Union :-)

ha, no.

besides there is 1% chance that there would be a jj2 nationscup ..... so why bother?

[maverick]

Because all of us like to spam a lot. =)

[Nielsje]

There won't be a nationscup this time, that's for sure. If every nation had to represent two players, it wouldn't be fair for some countries who have over 50 players, while others have only 2 or 3. Maybe next year, but I highly doubt it.

[Sasik]

I still think it would be more fun than clans cup ;P
And it's possible to get 3 players from every country >p

[[GpW]Urbs]

Uhm no it isnt sasik, and no it isn't again:)

[Vegito]

JJ2 Nations Cup would be an interesting idea :-)

That wouldn't be fair for most of the dutch players.
since we can bring lots of good jj2ers ;.;

[Sasik]

Well, it somehow works in other games ;.;

What Brazil can say about football world cup then ? ;-P
I just want to show that nations cup isn't so bad idea ;_;

[Yasco]

I agree with Sasik. ;O

[Superjazz]

I were once thinking about the nations-cup too. I had an idea, that some countries with lesser players, 1-3 could have permission to link up with one other small country. Fin-Swe for example. A 3vs3 should fit that form quite well possibly. Then the rest could be somewhat;

Germany-Slovenia
Israel-Bulg?
And then I guess the rest could play with their very own? Possibly?
Britain, Netherlands, Belgium, USA, Canada, Poland...Some other? :7

[R3ptile]

It would be better than a "clan world championship" with 4 teams (CC, 8D, RR and perhaps VS if you're lucky).

[[GpW]Urbs]

heh dont count us out from TB:)Most likely anyway..
Cuz these here colours don't run, never have, never will
http://www.trendsworld.com/lcfolder/Finished%20LoC%20Picts/3880.jpg

[Grytolle]

Kaja is a friend of Olsen's. ;P

[R3ptile]

Israel-Bulg?
AJazz, NY00123 and ZUVER vs. Yasco, Squirrel and Pyromanus\Scare :p

[Sasik]

AvK, R3p, SkulL vs Yasco, Squirrel, Enigma

;]

[R3ptile]

AvK, R3p, SkulL vs Yasco, Squirrel, Enigma

;]
I wish ;[

[[GpW]Urbs]

Slovenia>all
Overlord would just haxx the enemies to death!:)

[Vegito]

DarkSonic, CelL, Chiyu, Vegito, Anakin... did I forget someone from the netherlands? :P

[Grytolle]

Grytolle, Sugarcult and Nahoj vs you. You=toastied.

[Vegito]

if u can get 2 other you's.

[Raven aka StL]

I have no objections whatsoever :lol: ...except that there are plenty of jazzers (good one's) from Netherlands that you forgot to mention in that totally ironic post :lol: :D

[maverick]

Clonning is illegal, Gry. ;<

[R3ptile]

I have no objections whatsoever :lol: ...except that there are plenty of jazzers (good one's) from Netherlands that you forgot to mention in that totally ironic post :lol: :D
These are the best (active) ones though.

[Grytolle]

if u can get 2 other you's.UU

[Vegito]

I actually don;t know any other good active player. :-P (from the netherlands)
and erm.. well, gry.. go ahead with playing 'U's' ;)