Well, lets make a Jazz2 1.25! What are we waiting for?

[Jerrythabest]

I havent seen anyone with this idea on the board (if you have, then plz say so, cuz otherwise this will become a very unliked thread...) so I think its time to make a Jazz2 version 2...!!

How primitive can we be? We play a stupid (sorry, I like JJ2 too...) bunny game and have a forum with over 2000 members... we cant even find a way to find this stupid game a stupid game! And while we are thinking primitive, we didnt tought about this:

We all want a new version, eh? We all want to have those annoying bugs fixed, eh? We all want to implement cool user-tought gametypes, eh? We all want a costumizable episode list, eh? We dont get the source code, eh? The only thing we need to do is to BUILD A NEW GAME, that works more or less the same as JJ2. For that, we need a handy guy who can make a sidescroller. The sprites can be ripped out using the Sprite Ripper (that might turn out to a little time problem...) and we can get all the sounds using the Ambient Sound event (I think?), so now we only need a programmer here. It must be possible some way. (It is, we started:lol:;)8D)

On another thread (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=12169) (about a Jazz3D fangame) there is a great new weapon system introduced. I made a 2D version of that weapon system to use in versoin 2, I find it much better than the old, boring JJ1 weapon system. I dont think it will be in JJ2, but it is a very funny weapon system to keep us dreamin' anyways! (You can find it somewhere at page 2 (in 40 messages view))
List of updates is at page 4 (in 40 messages view)

[Sonyk]

For the millionth time, WE NEED THE SOURCE. WE DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCE.

Without the source, there's nothing we can do. And building a new game would take years of time we don't have. It's getting the source or keeping what we have now. And, unless you can program, getting a group of people would be hard.

[Jerrythabest]

I know we dont have the source and I know too that it is hard to find people that can and want to make this, and of cource it takes time to build a game:P It is just a suggestion, and I decided to post it after a week of thinking IF I should post it... and I did becouse I think this might turn out to something better after a while, and maybe after a few years we have a Jazz2 2! (or at least in progress, if we started building).

So, just for your information: if you like this idea, then help to make it!
If you dont, please keep in mind that others may DO like it and if we find enough people that DO like it, we can allways start building:P
Understood?

[Fawriel]

I think you are only about the 78th person to suggest this.

[Jerrythabest]

oh:P so that way it looks like I am NOT the only one here:P Now that I know that more people find this a good idea, there must be some way to make it...

[Radium]

I think we should just remake it from scratch. The hardest parts of making a game are designing the gameplay, recording sounds, and drawing animations, and we already have that done. A single ambitious programmer could make 1.25 given enough time and motivation.

[Jerrythabest]

Thanks for making my long story short. Now, we only need that one person who wants to do it:) Nice that now someone likes my idea. That really helps.

[n00b]

Rad, thats the problem: Everyone here is lacking either time or motivation, and if they don't why the heck haven't they started yet?

[Jerrythabest]

that sure is a pretty good question. Lets motivate them and then give them the time to do it:)

[Ðx]

well Jerry start and whe will fallow you =P

[Jerrythabest]

whahah:lol: thanks for that, but I cant program! sorry, it is just an idea, but I cant do it....

[Sonyk]

See, that's the problem right there. Unless you are capable of programming and can give somone a nudge, you're not going to get any results. Show us that it can be done by starting something, and we will answer.

[Ðx]

* Claps * go jerry go jerry, make that 1.25

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Ahem. I believe, I thought up this idea a long time ago in the Jazz 2 episode thread. And nobody gave a Hardrive about it. Proof everybody hates me. Or at least thinks I'm lazy. WHICH I'M NOT!! And I already know that this can be done in gamemaker 6, Registered.

[DoubleGJ]

I think we should just remake it from scratch. The hardest parts of making a game are designing the gameplay, recording sounds, and drawing animations, and we already have that done. A single ambitious programmer could make 1.25 given enough time and motivation.
Like we have anyone that ambitious.

[Jerrythabest]

Ahem. I believe, I thought up this idea a long time ago in the Jazz 2 episode thread. And nobody gave a Hardrive about it. Proof everybody hates me. Or at least thinks I'm lazy. WHICH I'M NOT!! And I already know that this can be done in gamemaker 6, Registered.
Wait, you say that game maker 6 can make big stuff like JJ2? As far as i know, it doesnt even support Tileset support. One of the most important things in al level...

[Fawriel]

Ahem. I believe, I thought up this idea a long time ago in the Jazz 2 episode thread.
Oh <i>please</i>. I said it already, this idea has been brought up HUNDREDS of times, and nothing ever happened or went far.
And the other replies in the thread say it already, nobody here has the time, ambition, skills, etc. The only project that really seems to be going anywhere and seems promising is Baggers' JJ3D, and I think he does it as a school project.

[Jerrythabest]

If he does it as a school project, then I think he gets an A (10 in other countrys, such as mine)!

And yep, it sure looks like this is one of the best ideas, but one of the hardest to make... and I dont like that, bcouse if we all do what we can do, we can build this with just helping each other... and that means we help the community with a new game (version) and the ability to put in all those very nice ideas of others around here. I just dont believe you if you say you find this a bad idea or if you say you dont know something you would like to see in JJ2.

Also, for you guys who think: why should we make another sidescroller if we can make a 3D version? Well, becouse Jazz Jackrabbit used to be a sidescroller. And with all those great modifications put in, it can be almost as fun as a 3D version!

[ShadeJackrabbit]

You have to turn on advanced settings in gamemaker 6 and then you can have tilesets.

[Ðx]

hmm, * gets intresting *

[Jerrythabest]

If theres anyone that can help me, then do so. Building such a project with Game Maker 6 is pretty hard, if you havent ever used it. (I have it)

[cooba]

Why not make a bonus level fangame ;( We have sprites, graphics and music files, and there's a 3D plugin for a game making program, too...

[Jerrythabest]

not a too bad idea. I've read the bonus level sprites thread. Looks pretty cool. Not a bad idea at all. And we can implement 3D bonus levels in JJ2 1.25 if we are started builinding it:P

[piet]

Like we have anyone that ambitious.

thats the point, next to Baggers i dont know anyone who can realy program here on this forum. So i asked McDougal on the Planet Quake forums to help me with Razz Arena.

you must look for a programmer outside of the community. but we can use the comunity to find someone.

[Violet CLM]

thats the point, next to Baggers i dont know anyone who can realy program here on this forum.
<a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/forumdisplay.php?f=12">I wonder how long this has been sitting here.</a>

[piet]

<a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/forumdisplay.php?f=12">I wonder how long this has been sitting here.</a>

i know i know, but look at the resulting games... most of them wont even see daylight, i am not saying there are no programmers here, but if we want to create a game like jazz2 we will need help from real good programmers, maybe we have those on the forum here but its more likely to find them on a programmers forum

[Jerrythabest]

good suggestions? for programmer forums?

[Jerrythabest]

If there are guys here that can make an interface (such as JJ2 in windowed mode is), then please say so, thats the first part of the story. Details come after saying you can make that.

[n00b]

i know i know, but look at the resulting games... most of them wont even see daylight, i am not saying there are no programmers here, but if we want to create a game like jazz2 we will need help from real good programmers, maybe we have those on the forum here but its more likely to find them on a programmers forum
We dont need to find real good programmers, since we probrally already have some.
What we need is a programmer who doesn't have a thing called Real Life to get in the way.

[Violet CLM]

If there are guys here that can make an interface (such as JJ2 in windowed mode is), then please say so, thats the first part of the story. Details come after saying you can make that.
Windowed mode interface... you mean like menus on the top of the screen? That's kind of elementary.


To nit-pick, recreating JJ2 in another .exe file would not be 1.25 so much as 2.##, as it would be a second edition of the whole, not a small update of some minor parts.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Jazz 2 2.0 BETA.
Like the sound of that. 2 2.

[n00b]

I don't. I prefer someting like Jazz 2 2.00GM

[Jerrythabest]

Of course (to stay primitive...) menus are primitive. But with permission and help of some of those great tool-makers, we might implement things such as Project Cataclysm or Controller. We can solve the Seeker Holes problem inside the game and make CTF color names automatically, just as Project Gamma does. So a menu for 'Tools' containing the functions of Cataclysm, Controller (and maybe death controller would be handy too) might be a nice step. We might implement these another way, but first tell me if you like that idea. And when you told me that, then tell me that you can make it:) That would be a nice first step. At the main time, I can start learning myself some programming.

--Edit: and lets call it Jazz Jackrabbit 2 version 2.#.### (2.version.build)

[Sonyk]

Oh, the kernel numbering system. Just like we had before.

[Newspaz]

Sure great idea. Let's just throw away the tenthousands of levels and tilesets we already have and start from scratch again.

[Violet CLM]

Well, an ideal remake of JJ2 could read the old .j2l and .j2t files, I guess. :D

[Monolith]

*raises his hand as a real certified game programmer*

But I require money ;(

[Jerrythabest]

@monolith: ehm. I am NOT going to pay you for this...
@unknown rabbit: sure. But I think we need to have source code for that. But there's no problem converting the tilesets to a new format:) Just screenshot them, put them in Paint and give them a palette with TilesetPal! Masks are done fast too. And Levels.... lets make our own. We might MIGHT make some sort of converter for that. If we can. And want. And need. And are done with the JJ2 rebuild.

[n00b]

Jerry, that is way to time consuming. It's much easier to program something that can read .j2l and .j2t.
I'd pay Monolith, we might get something done, we could set up a donation service of some sort.

[Jerrythabest]

NO. i will not pay:P I dont think you need money to program, so there's no reason why I should pay anoyone. If he only help us when he gets money for it, then I think we dont get any help of him.

Little question:
In game maker 6, it is possible to make your own load bar. the point is: when the project will be started in Game maker, do we need a source code (of our own project...) too if we want to edit it after making the load bar with it? It would be a nice and easy first step, but if we cant get a source code from game maker of our own game, then this doesnt look like a good idea.

If it is really easy to make .j2t and .j2l support, then we, of course, are not gonna make a new format:). Also, if thats easy, then I think .it, .s3m and .xm will be no problem too.

[n00b]

NO. i will not pay:P I dont think you need money to program, so there's no reason why I should pay anoyone. If he only help us when he gets money for it, then I think we dont get any help of him.
Money Motivates.
When you pay someone, you get alot better work than when you don't.
I am in favor of paying someone to create a whole new engine from scratch, to reprogram the enemies,items,characters,weapons and gameplay of JJ2, to recreate a multiplayer mode, and to create a level editor that can use .j2l and .j2t files.
Theres also a less chance of the project dieing.
EDIT- And if you don't need money to program, why the heck do we still have to pay for video games?

[Jerrythabest]

I completely agree. BUT: how much does he want? And how do I give it to him?
And, how about the Game Maker 6 part?...

Pageclaim!

[n00b]

GM 6 sucks when it comes to having online programs, it would more than likely be very laggy.
Since most of the community plays online, it is best to ditch GM 6.

[piet]

i tink i wont pay for a programmer if i dont know if he is good.
maybe he can show us some work of his. or make a quick and dirty start on the project to show us some examples of what he can do.

[n00b]

i tink i wont pay for a programmer if i dont know if he is good.
maybe he can show us some work of his. or make a quick and dirty start on the project to show us some examples of what he can do.
With that logic you have probrally missed out on some very good video games.

[piet]

maybe... remind me :P

[Monolith]

Heh, I'm not really expecting anyone to pay me to do this. :P I'm not sure I could do that legally anyway. I do have the abilities to make a similar engine as JJ2, however I lack time because I have several other projects I'd like to be working on, and I lack money because I don't have a source of income right now.

[Fawriel]

Let's pay Monolith in HUGS!



...seriously, I'd help pay if I had the means to. But I don't have an account or a Paypal account or the legal age to acquire the latter <s>or money</s>.

[Jerrythabest]

ehm... we want him to show his kills, not the stuff in his stomach:P

[Radium]

we want him to show his kills
http://www.morsesportinggoods.com/deer_head.jpg

[piet]

lol

[Monolith]

I don't usually show off my kills... or the stuff in my stomach. Hugs are ok, but they don't help me get something like this done.

[Jerrythabest]

The new weapon system - part 1.


---| 0. Intro |--------

The weapons are a little bit tricky: you have 9 maintypes of ammo (as in 1.23), but you have some different weapons to shoot ammo. Different weapons support different ammo. With the Character's basic blaster, the interface update will make it possible to shoot more types of ammo. You CAN get ammo that cant be shot out, for if you find a weapon that CAN shoot it out. Each maintype has some upgrades for weapons.


---| 1. Blaster |--------

Weapons
a) LFG-2000 (Jazz's basic).- Shoots light energy shots, which don't do much damage, but since the energy is drained from the environment into the gun's battery, the ammo is pretty much infinite. If you shoot fast enough you might use up energy faster than it recharges, but in such occasion hide for a moment or switch the weapon to let it recharge. You can also hold down the shoot key to charge a more powerful shot, but it'll take more energy (only with blaster shots, not with other ammo).
b) LFG-3000 (Spaz's basic).- The difference from LFG-2000 is that it shoots faster (only with blaster shots, not with other ammo), but the shots are less accurate. The battery is a bit stronger, so even with this fast shooting energy will run out with the same speed as in LFG-2000.
c) LFG-1500 (Lori's basic).- The difference from LFG-2000 is that it shoots energy bullets in a shape of a disc - they deal more damage, but use up the battery faster.
d) LFG-4000....(Pickup)....- Shoots three energy bullets at once - has thrice stronger battery than LFG-2000, so battery drains with same speed.
e) LFG-5000....(Pickup)....- Shoots an energy ball that spreads into 5 typical blaster shots on impact - has only twice stronger battery than LFG-2000, so needs to recharge pretty much.

Ammo
f) Blaster shot............- Standard shot. Damage: 1 (2 with Interface update).

Upgrades
g) Extra battery...........- Can be connected to character's basic blaster, lets you shoot longer before you'll need to stop for recharging.
h) Accumulator.............- Can be connected to character's basic blaster, increases damage dealt by shots but also uses up batteries faster. Basically more power -> bigger need for batteries, so hunt them down with same effort.
i) Interface update........- Can be connected to character's basic blaster, lets you use 2nd level ammo (powered-up ones from 1.23) in the blaster.


---| 2. Bouncer |--------

Weapons
a) Basic Blaster..- Supports blue bouncy bullets, and purple bouncy bullets if you got the Interface update.
b) BBT-21.........- Supports blue and purple bouncy bullets, shoots them with big speed, but the rest is like blaster.
c) BBT-3:1........- Supports blue, purple and black bouncy ammo, shoots three bullets at once in different, random angles.
d) BBT-S15X.......- Supports blue and purple bouncy bullets, shoots with great power, so the bullets either fly very far or bounce off walls very aggresively.

Ammo
e) Blue bullets...- Damage: 1, bouncy: 1.
f) Purple bullets.- Damage: 2, bouncy: 2.
g) Black bullets..- Damage: 3, bouncy: 3.

Upgrades
h) Visor..........- Compatible with BBT-S15X, lets you zoom the vision for sniping far positioned enemies. Sort of targeting for far positioned enemies.


---| 3. Freezer |--------

Weapons
a) Basic Blaster.........- Supports ice cubes, and N charged cubes (2nd level) if you got the Interface update. Needs to reload after each shot (temperature precautions), freezes enemies and you can crash them into pieces with a shot or hit (1.23 feature). You can also shoot the ground (by ducking) to make it slippy (for you too!).
b) Frostbiter N-11.......- Supports normal and N charged cubes, needs to reload after each 5 shots, you can charge up your shot to freeze the enemy for longer (feature borrowed from Metroid games).
c) Frosteater N12U08.....- Supports normal, N charged and U charged cubes, no need to reload.
d) Frostswallower N15U10.- Supports normal, N charged and U charged cubes, shoots 5 cubes at once. Charged shot takes up to whooping 50 cubes, becouse the 5 cubes will explode into 10 new ones, when hitting a wall.

Ammo
e) Ice cubes.............- Time: 1, doesn't work on certain enemies (heat-based?).
f) N charged ice cubes...- Time: 3, can even shortly freeze most resisant enemies.
g) U charged ice cubes...- Time: 2, deal small damage to frozen enemies.

Upgrades
h) T-Amplifier...........- You need a Frost-series weapon to use it. With it turned on, you slowly lose ice cubes, but your gun emanates with frost, freezing enemies that are close enough. Be careful, using it for too long will freeze you too!


---| 4. Seeker |--------

Weapons
a) Basic Blaster.........- Supports red-white heat-seeking rockets (blue-orange also if you have the Interface update). Normally, just shoots the rocket straight forward. When you shoot it out, it will first just go straight (very slow). Then it locks at a heat spot (enemies, but you may accidently lock on fire or stuff like that) for two seconds to lock on, and then the rocket will slighty seek the object's movement. After 3 seconds, it'll explode.
b) HSRL-1 "Seeker".......- Supports red-white and blue-orange rockets. Has a better detection system, which means it won't lock on most environmental heat signs. The lock-on time is still 2 seconds, but rockets hunt down targets in a better manner.
c) HSRL-2 "Hunter".......- Supports red-white and blue-orange rockets. Hardly improved system decreases the lock-on time to 1 second and does not lock on lifeless objects, but that also means it LOST the ability to seek machines. Rockets now hunt enemies down very aggresively, so they'll need to hide behind a wall or something to don't get hit. And they better do that FAST.
d) SeeKannon XP4.........- Supports red-white, blue-orange and green-brown rockets. This is certainly a heavy weapon - it'll slow you down and make your jumps lower. However, it's size is mostly a system of advanced seeking devices, and that means immediate lock-on, no problems with environmental heat or finding robots.
e) SeeKrazy PTF..........- Supports only green-brown rockets. Immediately locks on enemies. Then the gun communicates with the rocket and it takes the aim. It's advantage is that it doesn't slow you down and still has the same intelligence features as SeeKannon XP4.
f) Rocket Pilot v3.01....- This small toy is compatible only with special black rockets. Once the rocket is shot, camera takes it's point of view and you can steer it. At any point (for example if your character is being attacked) you can push the shoot key and you'll lose control over the rocket, but will be able to move again. The rocket will work as a blue-orange one, but will still last 8 seconds.

Ammo
g) Red-white rockets.....- Damage: 1. Seeking time: 3 secs.
h) Blue-orange rockets...- Damage: 2, can avoid small objects less then 3 tiles heigh. Seeking time: 3 secs.
i) Geen-brown rockets....- Damage: 2, is covered in strong metal so they can bounce off objects for 3 times. Seeking time: 5 secs.
j) Black rockets.........- Damage: 2. Rare rockets that are the only ones working with Rocket Pilot v3.1. It's ability is worth finding them. Seeking time: 8 secs.


---| 5. RF-missle |--------

Weapons
a) Basic Blaster......- Supports green rockets (and red with Interface update). Fires a single rocket at speed 1, but can shoot two if you hold down the shoot key for longer. That will count -2 on your ammo counter.
b) RF-missle Launcher.- Supports green and red rockets. Fires a single rocket at speed 2, but can shoot up to three rockets if you hold down the shoot key for longer. That will count up to -3 on your ammo counter.
c) T-B RF-RL..........- Supports green and red rockets. Fires three rockets at once with speed 2. Quite a heavy beast, it'll slow you down and make your jumps lower. That will count -1 on your ammo counter.
d) RapidRF............- Taken straight out of Bolly's left-overs, supports green and pink rockets. Shoots them at speed 3. But if you shoot too much it'll overheat and you'll need to wait until it cools off.
e) Sticky Launcher....- Supports red and pink rockets. Fires 2 red rockets and 1 pink rocket at once with speed 2, but they are sticked to each other, meaning they can hit only one target and deal massive damage to it.

Ammo
f) Green RF rockets...- Damage: 1, explosion radius: 1.
g) Red RF rockets.....- Damage: 2, explosion radius: 2.
h) Pink RF rockets....- Damage: 3, explosion radius: 1.

Note 1.............- The explosions should also hurt you, if you are too close.
Note 2.............- If you shoot only one rocket, it will lose heigt pretty fast at speed 1 and less fast at speed 2. At speed 3, it will not lose any height.

Tools
i) RF Turret IP312....- You can have up to 3 Turrets running at the same time and you can own not more than 5. When it is empty, it becomes available for other players. Set it somewhere and give it up to 20 of your rockets (supports green only). It will shoot out one rocket in a preset direction when someone comes near it. Good for securing tunnel exits or any other places that are certain to cross by enemies.

[Jerrythabest]

The new weapon system - part 2.

---| 6. Toaster |--------

Weapons
a) Basic Blaster..- Supports red flames (and blue flames if you have the Interface update).
b) Toaster X6.....- Supports red and blue flames, but can also shoot the flames Jazz 1 styled if a Shareware disc is found. Shoots faster, but more speed is faster running out of ammo!
c) Burniator......- Supports red, blue and white flames. 'Sprays' them farther and with the speed of the Toaster X6.

Ammo
d) Red ammo.......- Damage: 1.
e) Blue ammo......- Damage: 2, also turns walls black (charred) if they are hit by this weapon.
f) White ammo.....- Damage: 3. Is very hot and some must be left behind (you lose a peice of ammo every once in a while) so the gun doesn't overheat. If used with the Back-up disc, this ammo fires three-way, and slightly grows the farther it goes. This growth adds no extra damage, but attracts nearby 'lesser' enemies to it.
g) Jazz1 ammo.....- Damage: 2. Fires a big 2-tile high flame that can kill enemies; it doesnt stop at the first one, but when the first enemy is stronger than 2 hearts, it will stop.

Upgrades
h) Shareware Disc.- This old copy of Jazz Jackrabbit can be used with the Toaster X6 to add compatibility with its earlier form..
i) Back-up Disc...- Makes the white flames shoot Straight forward, up and down.
j) Wall of fire...- Ceates a wall of red flames behind you that lasts for 2 seconds. It will slowly count down your red flames, can be hit multiple times and does 1 damage.

Note...........- Using underwater will couse some bubbles, just as in 1.23.


---| 7. TNT |--------

Weapons
a) Basic Blaster............- If the weapon is set to the character's basic blaster, you will place Dynamite, sticky bomb or LaIB by hand. Jazz will throw the Rubber explosives.
b) TNT Launcher.............- Allows TNT to be shot out, where it then shoot forward till hitting something (at which case it will either fall (Dynamite), stick (Sticky bomb), or just stop (LaIB, Chaos bomb, or Pulse bomb) or will fall to the ground if its a Rubber explosive. Supports all varieties of TNT.

Ammo
c) Dynamite.................- Just a stick of dynamite. Falls to the ground normally, and explodes for moderate damage after 3 seconds. Damage spreading: 2 damage at the TNT itself, 1 damage at the 8 tiles around it (picture 1).
d) Sticky Bomb..............- A timebomb that sticks to whatever it hits/is placed on. Damage spreading: 3 damage at the TNT itself, 2 damage at the 8 tiles around it and 1 damage at the 12 tiles around them (picture 2). The corners of this last square are no-damage.
e) LaIB (light as air bomb).- Similar to 1.23 TNT. Floats in the air when you place it. Damage spreading: 2 damage at the TNT itself, 1 damage at the 8 tiles around it (picture 1).
f) Rubber Explosives........- Bomb that falls, and bounces similarly to bouncers. When it explodes, it explodes into several blue bouncer bullets in random directions.
g) Chaos Bomb...............- Floating bomb that can explode several times at somewhat random intervals. Also gives off a few shots of random weapons each time it explodes. Very rare. Damage spreading: 2 damage at the TNT itself, 1 damage at the 8 tiles around it (picture 1).
h) Pulse Bomb...............- Floating bomb that stuns enemies in a wide radius of 3 tiles in each direction when it explodes (picture 3).

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---| 8. Blade Gun |--------

Weapons
a) Basic Blaster.....- Shoots out one spinning Blade. Supports short blades, long blades too if you have the Interface update.
b) Blade SR1.........- Shoots out one spinning Blade, supports short and long blades. Speeds: short: 2, long: 1.
c) Blade SR2.........- This gun shoots out two short or long blades. Speed: short: 3, long: 2. Counts as -2 on your sword counter.
d) Mace CH1..........- Shoots out a mace on a chain. Supports Chain Maces.
e) Blade SR3.........- This is a black market edition of the SR1 and SR2. It shoots out 3 blades in a vertical '\|/' formation. It also supports Broad swords. Speeds: short: 3, long: 3, broad: 2. Counts as -2 on your sword counter.
f) Failerang.........- Jazz will throw the boomerang. The boomerang very weakly seeks out a target, the only downside is that you have to wait for the boomerang to return. A 'Speed Hack' can make the boomerang return faster.

Ammo
g) Short swords......- Damage: 1. (Push: 1.5). Short, weak swords used in specialized guns.
h) Long swords.......- Damage: 2. (Push: 3). Stronger, and longer than the short sword.
i) Broad swords......- Damage: 3. Wide, long, heavy and strong, these black market swords are the best way to go 'medevil' on an enemy.
j) Chain Mace........- Damage: 2. A weaker form of the Flailerang which can be rapidly shot out of a gun that supports it.
k) Boomerang.........- Damage: 3.

Upgrades
l) OEM Speed Hack....- This powerup makes the Flailerang move faster.
m) Defense Mechanism.- This black market addon turn the swords into sheilds which push enemies away instead of hurting them. Only compatible with the blaster.


---| 9. Electro Blaster |--------

Weapons
a) Basic Blaster.....- Supports normal ammmo (and supercharged ammo too with the Interface update).
b) PlasmaNRGizer.....- Supports normal and supercharged ammo.
c) NitroBlast........- Supports normal and supercharged ammo. Doubles the speed of the used ammo, so they rest longer.
d) 13-36.9D..........- Supports TeraBlast only. Shoots VERY rapidly, but with all this power, you are pushed backwards while shooting!

Ammo
e) Normal ammo.......- Damage: 1, can go through walls.
f) Supercharged ammo.- Damage: 2, can go through enemies.
g) Tera Blast........- Damage: 2, can go through enemies and walls.

Upgrades
h) LightningBlast....- Powerup that can be used on the PlasmaNRGizer to shoot EXTREMELY RAPIDLY. Result is a 'lightning gun'. Be very careful, it can hurt you, too. Every 5 shots will result in -1 on your counter.

Note..............- Using the normal ammo underwater will cause a 1-damage electric burst for 3 tiles around you. 5 Tiles for supercharged ammo and Tera Blast.


Recommended standard controls for keyboards.

Standard controls I recommend:

Keyboard 1:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.- Choose the type (Blaster, Bouncer, etc.).
Number of current type....- If you press the number of the type that you are using, the weapon changes (Blaster, BBT-21, etc.).
Backspace.................- You can choose the used ammo with Backspace. Of course, you can only switch to ammo the current weapon supports.
Shift (both)..............- You can use the left or right shift to shoot. Of course, it is better to make it possible to change this key.
Ctrl (right)..............- Jump. Of course, it is better to make it possible to change this key.
Up, left, down and right..- Walk. Of course, it is better to make it possible to change these keys.
Enter.....................- Run. Of course it is better to make it possible to change this key.
Space.....................- List of available weapon upgrades and tools. Will pause the game, so you have time to turn them on/off. Of course, it is better to make it possible to change this key.

Keyboard 2:
F1 to F9..................- Choose the type (Blaster, Bouncer, etc.).
Button of current type....- If you press the number of the type that you are using, the weapon changes (Blaster, BBT-21, etc.).
S.........................- You can choose the used ammo with Backspace. Of course, you can only switch to ammo the current weapon supports.
A.........................- You can use the left or right shift to shoot. Of course, it is better to make it possible to change this key.
F.........................- Jump. Of course, it is better to make it possible to change this key.
Y, G, H and J.............- Walk. Of course, it is better to make it possible to change these keys.
D.........................- Run. Of course it is better to make it possible to change this key.
Tab.......................- List of available weapon upgrades and tools. Will pause the game, so you have time to turn them on/off. Of course, it is better to make it possible to change this key.

[R3ptile]

That sounds overcomplicated and unnecessary. The weapons should stay as they are, just more balanced.

[Jerrythabest]

Some other people find it fun, and you are the first one finding it complicated. It might be unnecessary, but it sure looks fun if you read it;P Just try to imagine that it is in the game, and how you would use it!

[Violet CLM]

Some other people find it fun, and you are the first one finding it complicated.
Also the first one replying.

[Jerrythabest]

I viewed it some other people with MSn Messenger, and just take a look at Bagger's thread. The first post in this thread is the first one that finds it complicated.

[Violet CLM]

At a guess, the people you talk to on MSN are people who generally understand and like your ideas anyway. As for me, I find even JJ3's weapon system a little confusing. Yours isn't too bad at glance, but I'm concerned over how useful much of it is.

[Jerrythabest]

it was designed to be in 3D, but some things (like the Bouncers or the TNTs) are pretty nice. I find 1.23 bouncers sometimes bouncing not high enough, but with the black bullets (that are made to be rare...) you can get much higher! But for some things, it is better to let them bounce LESS high (If you want them to go down more and more)... Try to see the abilities with so many types of weapons!

[Fawriel]

Hmmmmmmmmm. Too many choices would decrease the speed of the game which JJ was originally known for.
Then again, all the puzzles and stuff that are used in levels do the same, I guess..

[Sonyk]

This is beginning to sound like an unofficial JJ3. In fact, I think that ditching the JJ2 mindset would allow you to reach farther.

*demands that Bouncers be called Launchers again

[n00b]

it was designed to be in 3D
You sir, fail at life. When the artist says he doesn't like the fact the game looks more advanced than what was originally conceived(Or at least, that's how I interpeted it) I don't think it was meant to be 3d.(This is assuming you are talking about JJ2, not Bagger's project)
Next, I'd like to request you do not add any of the weapon ideas I suggested for Bagger's project. That means say good bye to the Toaster and Blade gun.(I think I did more, but I am not sure).
Finally, I thought we were supposed to upgrade JJ2 not change the whole game(This is why I'm semi against having the source code released). ;[
*demands that Bouncers be called Launchers again
I think the JJ2's version is named Blue Bullet Bouncers. This isn't JJ1.

[Sonyk]

I think the JJ2's version is named Blue Bullet Bouncers. This isn't JJ1.
This is beginning to sound like an unofficial JJ3.‎‎‎‎

[n00b]

It's only sounding like an unofficial JJ3 because Jerry took every weapon /idea/ from Bagger's thread and proclaimed "This be our weapon system" Get rid of that, and it's just JJ2 running on a fanmade engine.

[DoubleGJ]

I recognise these weapon designs from somewhere...

[n00b]

He took them all from Bagger's thread.
I know this because I remember making the Blade and Toaster ideas.
Which I refuse to be allowed to be used in this game.

[DanYjel]

I think you are only about the 78th person to suggest this.
You forgot to almost all other, Faw. ;p

[Jerrythabest]

Something is going wrong here. Lets explain.

The weapon system (yep, it IS taken out of the Baggers thread) was designed for 3D. This version, with some minor modifications, is for 2D. I never said it was made to put it actually in, but I just like the idea. We might make a seperate version.

every weapon /idea only weapon system.
"This be our weapon system" Never said that.
Which I refuse to be allowed to be used in this game. then they will be replaced by other ones.
This is why I'm semi against having the source code released thats... acceptable. I were thinking just the same. Thats why this project will be (I think) not open source.

[DoubleGJ]

The weapon system (yep, it IS taken out of the Baggers thread) was designed for 3D. This version, with some minor modifications, is for 2D. I never said it was made to put it actually in, but I just like the idea. We might make a seperate version.
Also, it is meant for singleplayer, as Baggers' game isn't supposed to have multi. Complex weapon systems in multiplayer are not welcome.

[Jerrythabest]

It isnt complex at all. You just press [4] for seekers and then [4] again if you want to change weapon. You can press [Backspace] to switch to wanted ammo. Thats it. Nothing hard at all. You dont need to switch weapons all the time:)

[n00b]

The /s work as ittaliacs. I was not in the mood to type {i}(but with the proper brackers of course)

[R3ptile]

Weapons need to be perfectly balanced and each one of them should be useful in other situation, at least for the multiplayer part. I also think that an accurated powered-up RF shot should be able to do even a 3 heart damage as well, that could make matches way more intense.

[piet]

Also, it is meant for singleplayer, as Baggers' game isn't supposed to have multi. Complex weapon systems in multiplayer are not welcome.

Baggers game is going to be multiplayer allso.

http://www.unseenconcept.net/Screenshots/NetPlayPic1.png
just check this out.

[DoubleGJ]

Weapons need to be perfectly balanced and each one of them should be useful in other situation, at least for the multiplayer part. I also think that an accurated powered-up RF shot should be able to do even a 3 heart damage as well, that could make matches way more intense.
A good idea, though, would be to make a weapon system like in RTCW, where weapons in multiplayer mode work a whole lot different than in singleplayer.

[Jerrythabest]

You mean in that game, the multilayer weapon system is more advanced? Or easier to use?

[DoubleGJ]

It is more balanced in MP. In SP, some weapons are just better than other, but in MP every weapon has it's good and bad sides (and the electric thingy doesn't even appear in MP).

[DoomFrost]

Hello I'm a long time Jazz Jackrabbit fan. :)

I think the idea of another Jazz game is a great idea. But instead of creating a game from scratch, why not mod an existing game. Many games today allow users to modify game data and I'm sure it would be easier than programming a new game IMHO (In my humble opinion).

Anyways I'm looking forward to being apart of this community. :)

[Sonyk]

Been there, done that. Modding other games will not give the desired effect.

[blurredd]

In my opinion it would be the same effect if the mod was done really well. At least well enough to deserve a newspost on an often visted website. Then again, no fan game--excluding the small ones--has ever been completed so it's hard to say what will help.

[DoubleGJ]

A good game to mod would be Pekka Kana 2 (Pekka The Rooster 2). It has a similar engine and the author even mentions he took some inspiration from Jazz Jackrabbit.

[White Rabbit]

http://koti.mbnet.fi/kiwi/pistegamez/pk2/SHOT_03.gif

Looks like Carrotus Night! :D

[Hipper]

yay finnish :)

[blurredd]

The eye candy in that Pekka game looks fairly good (other than maybe the background). I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it before. Or if anyone has, why no one seemed to notice. From the other screenshots I've seen, the game could make for some good tileset conversions for JJ2, and maybe something could be arranged.

Here (http://koti.mbnet.fi/~kiwi/pistegamez/pk2/index.htm) is a link for anyone else who wants to learn about the game.

[Ðx]

indeed, the tileset r0x but it looks hard do put together

[Jazzofsun]

The tiles from it looks like 32x32 pixels, the same as JJ2 I think. Does it use the same engine as Jazz2 or something?

[cooba]

Does it use the same engine as Jazz2 or something?It has a similar engine and the author even mentions he took some inspiration from Jazz Jackrabbit.&nbsp;

[Jerrythabest]

Pretty nice:) This can be our first step:) Mod it! Now, we need someone who wants to mod that game. I really like this idea. If possible, we can implement the sprites and sounds of JJ2 into it (yep.. sprite ripper..!), and then we have the 4 most important things: a beginning to expand, an engine, sprites and sounds. We only need levels, tilesets (-support?) and some skills to make it look even more like JJ2! Does that game have a multiplayer (online..) function? And, even more important, is its source code released? (that will help!)

[Sonyk]

Maybe you should start doing work for your mod: http://koti.mbnet.fi/kiwi/pistegamez/pk2/index.htm

This is called research.

[Spazkick]

The game you linked to has some things related to Jazz2. Not that I would like it and I'm not going to download it. The graphics and tilesets are nice anyway!

[Pako]

PK2 source code and sprite/event editor are coming, but there's no online play. Oh, and it has custom tileset support!
EDIT: OMG OMG OMG TUBELECTRIC TILESET!!!!!! :O :O :O
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3186/snap1217lg.jpg
Click here! (http://pistegamez.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=PK2&action=display&thread=1127486991) Cool, huh?

[DoubleGJ]

The palette is so-so, but otherwise it's a nifty find. =]

[Ðx]

awsome found....

[Jerrythabest]

Wheee... lets wait for the source code and then we can finally do something! Nice Tubelectric tileset out there, I dont care about the baaad (sorry) palette used! It is fun to see Jazz2 live in onother game already anyways!

[Ðx]

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap1296oo.jpg

[White Rabbit]

:lol:
So many stolen stuff. ;P I can see a bat, lollipops, many ripped tiles and a rabbit.

[DoubleGJ]

We have a monopoly for bats, lollipops and rabbits?

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Hehehe. Excellent.

[Violet CLM]

:lol:
So many stolen stuff. ;P I can see a bat, lollipops, many ripped tiles and a rabbit.
Umm... yes. It's a conversion tileset.


EDIT: the tiles are from JJ1, not JJ2.

[Jerrythabest]

Where did I have seen those tiles before? When did I see a rabbit in a game, before this one? And the bat? I really can't remember. I have a headache of thinking! It looks so, so... recognizable!:confused::confused::confused::(

Oh wait, it is from Jazz2!:eek:

[FoxBlitzz]

Argh, I'm having a rather bad graphic glitch over here. Whenever any sprite faces left (flips) it becomes invisible. As you can guess, it can make the game much less enjoyable. I don't think I want to play it until some solution rises.

[Jerrythabest]

...Whenever any sprite faces left (flips)... well, what are you talking about here? PK2 or Jazz2?

[FoxBlitzz]

Isn't it rather obvious? Look in my sig and see if you can spot the glitch. It's not in JJ2. It's in PK2 where I'm having the sprite glitch. Don't act silly now.

[Sonyk]

It's apparently only happening to you, so you might want to redownload/install it, or contact the people who made it.

[FoxBlitzz]

I don't think it's corrupt. It only has graphics for when it's facing right. To make them face left, they are flipped. But somehow there's some weird glitch that makes them disappear. I joined the forums but their retarded system makes you wait until you're approved by a staff member before your account is created. I could do e-mail but the address is hidden.

[Jerrythabest]

I dont see a glitch. Please make some sort of screenshot of it. Would be helpful.:lori:

[n00b]

WR- I'm sure JJ2 isn't the first game to have a bat as an enemy. So technically we're stealing from someone else.
And a rabbit is to general. Jazz Jackrabbit is stealing from Reader Rabbit if we used the logic at hand.

[White Rabbit]

But compare the Pekka bat to the JJ2 bat. >|

[DoubleGJ]

It doesn't have the same huge nose and doesn't have that intense purple color, so no.

[n00b]

But compare the Pekka bat to the JJ2 bat. >|
The JJ2 bat looks like something Witch Hazel from Looney toons would cook inher Rabbit Stew, the Pekka bat looks like it could fit in the game Okage: The Shadow King.

So no, it didn't steal from us.

[cooba]

THE SOURCE IS WRITTEN IN FINNISH!!!Quote of the Year.

[Violet CLM]

Click it, please (http://pistegamez.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=PK2&action=display&thread=1127486991) Cool, huh?
That forum is annoying. I registered on the 1st and my account still isn't approved for posting.

EDIT: For the record, it was eventually approved on January 18th, about three and a half months later. Such service.

[Jerrythabest]

THE SOURCE IS WRITTEN IN FINNISH!!!Omg, this goes to my sig!:lol::lol::lol::lori:

Derby: Acronym clearance.

[Jerrythabest]

ehm...

-I know you were talking about the PK2 sourcecode, bcouse thats a finnish game.
-I like sousages too.
-I dont say you are stupid.

[Hellomoto]

Were really not getting anywhere are we? I think we should stop playing with chickens, :lol: and start trying to get the Jazz 2 source off Epic Megagames! :cool:

[n00b]

Were really not getting anywhere are we? I think we should stop playing with chickens, :lol: and start trying to get the Jazz 2 source off Epic Megagames! :cool:
Gee, we've only failed miserberly at your suggestion for the past 5 years, one more try couldn't make the situation anymore pitiful.
You say we're not getting anywhere, and thats good as from not going we can easily get on track. Your suggestion will only drive this train into the ground. And it's really hard to make a train move when it's in flames and busted up.

[Ðx]

* still waits for Jerry's 1.25 *

[Jerrythabest]

still waiting for help to make it

[Sonyk]

Try starting it on your own, and then show off your work. People will care and help you when they see the possibility of this happening.

[Jerrythabest]

as said on page 1: I cant. I imply cant. I dont know how, and it will take years for me to learn that. Sorry. Im someone who thinks some nice (and less nice:+...) ideas, but I cant do it myself. If someone would like to start, I can help getting the sounds and sprites, but I dont think that I can do more.

[Pako]

i might be a help... might not that much. but i sure ill help, i dunno how, but ill help...

Pageclaim in the name of the JJ2 source code! BTW, what is the :7 smiley?

[White Rabbit]

...I think, hm, possibly the pimp smiley... :|
Or an angel with a white halo and a big, fat cigar in his mouth. :p

[Jerrythabest]

Thats exactly what I think it is. An angel with a white halo and a big, fat cigar in his mouth. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

now, whats this pink thing?>~<

[White Rabbit]

A bat's head (the bat from the Carrotus castle dungeons).

[Pako]

Less talk about smileys and more about that 1.25 (i meaaann..... 2.#.## build) making, okay? Oh, Raggy has the real 1.25 patch :O , made by the 1.25 council! yay! lets ask him about pics of itttttt :p

[Sonyk]

Wow. You must be the most gullible person I've ever seen.

[Pako]

excuse me, but what "gullible" means? im spanish, sooooo.... oh, and i dont believe too much that..... they said what in J2O were pics of it.... whatever, lets do own!

[cooba]

Oh, Raggy has the real 1.25 patch :O , made by the 1.25 council! yay! lets ask him about pics of Ahahahhaahahaahahahahahahahaha no offense but still rofl lol hahaha omg.

[Pako]

well, the fact that he was talking in caps everytime made me believe it some less... i heard too: "REMEMBER, ALWAYS USE CAPS"! well, we were on a test, so i was a little confused! yay.
EDIT: :( there wasnt any patch... i asked raggy and it was a joke!!! :( :( :(

[Pako]

I hope this doesnt count as doublepost, i posted the another message weeks ago... it turns out what jam wants to remake JJ2 from scratch... he will do it some time, some day, some week, some year, some sigle, some millenium, some life.... whatever, he will do it, but hes not working on it right now.

[Jerrythabest]

Why are you allways the first one knowing good news? *goes ask jam*

EDIT: YAY! YAYAYAYAYYAYYAYYAYYAYYYAYAYYAYYAY!!!!!!!!! Its true
Give us as many sprites as you have! (we need them:P no sprites=no game!)

[Pako]

Ok, ok! I will give the sprites, they are on another topic of this forum... Wait, i found where! (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=13075) Please read the full topic, there are lots of sprites ;D Oh, i always get the news (bad or good) by refreshing the JCF page, or because the autors of it contacted me before revealing it ;P

[Jerrythabest]

I actually ment NEW sprites, sprites we dont have already... but becouse Jam said he doesnt start till christmas, this isnt a problem for now. But you guys said you will help when the projct started, but what if I can make jam starting with a basic and one of you guys can do some work on it?;) that is called saving time.:lol:

[R3ptile]

i'm not sure about 1.25, but perhaps a bunch of programmers here could team up and code a bug-free mod or something like that :o

[cooba]

Seeing as it took two skilled programmers to create the JJ2 engine during three years, I somewhat doubt that Jam will be done anytime soon.

[Super_Jarno]

well it will take a long time before 1.25!?
Click my signature for an demo!

[ThunderPX]

well it will take a long time before 1.25!?
Click my signature for an demo!

Stop your stupid false advertising. The game you're linking to is the lowest and lowest of link-click games. At least Kings of Chaos had you doing other things.

[CrimiClown]

Jarno... You got that from my sig, didn't you... ;) I logged your IP... :p

[Birdie]

Jarno... You got that from my sig, didn't you... ;) I logged your IP... :p

WOOO!

[Super_Jarno]

Stop your stupid false advertising. The game you're linking to is the lowest and lowest of link-click games. At least Kings of Chaos had you doing other things.

Well yes..
because i like stealing souls!

[Jerrythabest]

Time to set up a list of bugs that must be fixed, and I included a list of things that would be very useful to add. No k-rap about 10000 ups and wierd shields, please! Here is the list:
<iframe src="http://84.107.204.56/jj2change.htm" height="500" scrolling="auto" width="800"></iframe>
You can post questions and things to add to the list here. I will update it then.

[White Rabbit]

Why only 25 episodes? You don't hold anything against people wishing for 26 or more, do you? :p
And there should be trigger zones for music.

[Pako]

Why not putting in a paremeter in Water Level event to change it color (putting a number of the JJ2 pallete) or a parameter for limited oxygen (set to 0 to make it normal, put some number, example 10, so if you are 10 seconds in the water, you die)? That would be useful :) And then, make Bubbles event to make you so if you are in water and you touch it, the oxygen second time until death resets?

[cooba]

Fix the 3D bonus stagesMore like make them.

[Jerrythabest]

yea... that suckz... and about the water level thingy: *goes updating the list* and about more than 25 episodes: *goes updating*
EDIT: Updated. Refresh the frame to see the changes.

[blurredd]

When you say fix the MCE bug, do you mean get rid of it altogether or just make it into a proper feature?

[Pako]

...and the Color parameter in the Water Level event? Or what about putting back the weird colors when you get dizzy by a smoke ring? Or even make the Boll platform, Sonic platform, Pink platform etc. become able to be moved with belts?
EDIT=The weird colors are availiable if you use 8-bit color, like i always do... from now.

[Jerrythabest]

Make generators on a belt just move like normal events do. The features, such as more events on one tile, will get their own events. Also, things included in crates (are that those SCE's?) must work like normal events too, if you want a laser for the GF levels, you can put in an automated shooter, set to the laser (thats gun0 for the event, I think, powerup parameter simply does nothing) and wait time in secs=0, so it only shoots once. This way, you dont need MCE's and it is better when you can put generators on belts, without the parameters being ripped out of it.

[Pako]

Wait... Multiple Events event would have up to 10 parameters, with the label Event, if you put on one the number of an event, that event would appear. It would have one inconvenient: you will not be able to change parameters of each even, so isnt too good.

[Jerrythabest]

No, all features of an MCE will get its own event, not one general MCE event! Also, putting more events on one tile is very easy: add tabs inside the Set Event dialog!

[Sonyk]

Documenting every possible MCE and its outcome would take ages. Considering how you've yet to even start on the program itself, I'd recommend leaving that out.

But my opinion can't stop you, go knock yourselves out.

[WaterRabbit]

Remove the 'Butterfly' event (fix if sprites are available)


There are sprites available already. Click here (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=284106&postcount=19). The top animation is the butterfly. Someone should find out the numbers of the sprite using Sprite Viewer.
__________________________________________________ _____________

Bugfixes


Replace the infinite fall (bottom of levels) with instakill

Make it Optional.

Remove the 'Butterfly' event (fix if sprites are available)

See Above.

Remove the 'Trig Sample' parameter from the 'Sucker Tube' event

It is needed.

Remove the 'Switch' parameter and its function from the 'Trigger Zone' event

Some people use it so no.

Remove the 'ID' parameter from the 'Area ID' event or give it a function

It already has a function.

Remove the 'Pos' parameters from the start posses or give them a function

It is needed.

Give the 'Pepper spray powerup' event a function

Already does. Shooting.

Give the 'Electro blaster powerup' event a function

Already does. Shooting.

Remove the RectGem events or give them a function

No.

Fix the 3D bonus stages

What Cooba said, "More like make them."

Features

Add 'Flowing water' event to make water flow (away) in your level, include the possibility to keep it generating water and to set the generating speed

It should also have a parameter that lets the water have a current and a parameter that lets you specify the speed of the current.

[cooba]

BloodRabbit stop using Arial in your every post for hell's sake >8(.

Also:Someone should find out the numbers of the sprite using Sprite Viewer.Sprite Viewer cannot show sprites of broken events.Remove the 'ID' parameter from the 'Area ID' event or give it a functionIt already has a function.No it doesn't.Remove the 'Trig Sample' parameter from the 'Sucker Tube' eventIt is needed.[quote]Remove the 'Pos' parameters from the start posses or give them a functionIt is needed.They're not needed at all.Give the 'Pepper spray powerup' event a functionAlready does. Shooting.Give the 'Electro blaster powerup' event a functionAlready does. Shooting.The above makes little to no sense.Fix the 3D bonus stagesWhat Cooba said, "More like make them."n/c

[ThunderPX]

It would be be cool if someone documented the way enemies and bosses work for people to make mod files with (think Doom wads) and a utility to load these into JJ2. But that's a long shot.

[Jerrythabest]

jam just told me about his new engine. He said it is allmost sure there will be no events, no tilesets Also, the Pos parameters, the ID parameter and the Trig Sample parameter are useless.

[Radium]

jam just told me about his new engine. He said it is allmost sure there will be no events, no tilesets Also, the Pos parameters, the ID parameter and the Trig Sample parameter are useless.It sounds like a pretty boring game D=

[Jerrythabest]

DUH: events, tilesets and all other stuff will be replaced by something else. And first, there wont be an online part, cuz t will be a very laggy thing otherwise

[Sonyk]

Also:Sprite Viewer cannot show sprites of broken events.
Sure it can, we could see Tweedle, couldn't we? All you have to do is include the event somewhere in the level. (If it's a boss event, Jazz also needs to touch an active-boss event) The sprites can then be viewed in the dynamic ranges, which is somewhere in the 3000's. The problem is, it won't be the same in every level.

[cooba]

Sure it can, we could see Tweedle, couldn't we? All you have to do is include the event somewhere in the level. (If it's a boss event, Jazz also needs to touch an active-boss event)Since Tweedle can't be activated, the sprites cannot be watched.

(or at least they failed to display for me...)

[Sun Fun Dude]

Um, so how the hell do you replace the function of a tileset with something that does the same job?

[Violet CLM]

If Tweedle's sprites can't be viewed by sprite viewer, then where do you think they came from?
(Of course Leaf has sprites - look at the Diamondus tileset. Springcord, though, you're on your own.)

[Sonyk]

(or at least they failed to display for me...)

If you use the example level, keep the fish where it is, and put Tweedle anywhere in the level. Clear out an unmasked area for Jazz to start in, and make him fall on an activate boss event. Go somewhere in the 3500 range, and you can view the Tweedle sprites where the fish was.

[Jerrythabest]

Yes, sure. we need ANIMATIONS of sprites (such as my tweedles in my sig). When we have enough animations, jam will start building:D. So, please help cuz help is very useful. Thanks.:roll:

[Super_Jarno]

Well iam trying to get some animations!!

[Ðx]

good luck

[Super_Jarno]

good luck
Who me?

[Super_Jarno]

ive got an idea ill make an poll about who helps the poll closes on 4 december
you can see who voted vor i will help and i will not help for the animations!

[Jerrythabest]

We need as many people as possible that help with making as many animations as possible, as fast as possible, as soon as possible. The more people working on this, the faster we can build and improve the new Jazz2!

[Super_Jarno]

if you want to help vote to THIS (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=14156)
please do it we need your help to make 1.25!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jam]

Yes, I am thinking of making an engine for Jazz2.

There will be no online play at least for a while because of my lack of skill in the areas of online game creation and not because of lag.

I am planning on starting some time after Christmas if and when I have the sprites I need.

The game at first will be very simple and most (if not all) of it will be compiled in a single EXE file.

Depending if my free time increases (maybe next summer) I will start adding in different features and the game will edge more towards a rebuild than a fan game.

The only problem I have is possibly Epic not being happy with me doing this.

Remember that Jazz2 is essentially a payed-for game so in using their graphics I could be breaching copyright.

I will email Epic and see what their opinions on a fan game are.

-Jam

[Super_Jarno]

Yes, I am thinking of making an engine for Jazz2.

There will be no online play at least for a while because of my lack of skill in the areas of online game creation and not because of lag.

I am planning on starting some time after Christmas if and when I have the sprites I need.

The game at first will be very simple and most (if not all) of it will be compiled in a single EXE file.

Depending if my free time increases (maybe next summer) I will start adding in different features and the game will edge more towards a rebuild than a fan game.

The only problem I have is possibly Epic not being happy with me doing this.

Remember that Jazz2 is essentially a payed-for game so in using their graphics I could be breaching copyright.

I will email Epic and see what their opinions on a fan game are.

-Jam

Why?
we just want an newer version of jazz2 1.25 just ask epic for permission.

[R3ptile]

There will never be 1.25. Why don't you folks ever get it?

[Jerrythabest]

Stop calling it 1.25, cuz rep doesnt read the whole thread. This 'project' was renamed 'Jazz Jackrabbit 2 2.##.###' becouse it is a complete rebuild of it. This version number format is called the kernel format, or something like that, just read it back, it is in this thread.

Also, going completely offtopic, I hate the new message maker, becouse all the dropdown menus, buttons, mode thingy, smilies and tag closing buttons dont work. Clicking on them will throw me to the top of the page.
EDIT: in quick reply mode (bottom of the page you are reading from) they work perfectly.

[Pako]

ok, while jerry and jam are PLANNING to rebuild JJ2, im just changing the sprites to PK2, and it seems to work perfectly! :) i even added the normal weapons, but isnt complete and bugless yet, the blaster sound is messed up and etc.

[Sonyk]

If you're making a whole new engine for this enhanced JJ2, why would its version number be 2? You'd be starting all over at 0.0.1.

[Jerrythabest]

Hmm, mayb, just ask what jam thinks about this.

[Grytolle]

ok, while jerry and jam are PLANNING to rebuild JJ2, im just changing the sprites to PK2, and it seems to work perfectly! :) i even added the normal weapons, but isnt complete and bugless yet, the blaster sound is messed up and etc.What's PK2?

[Jerrythabest]

Pekka Kana 2

[rat boy]

i will help tell me how to make them and i will do my best

[Grytolle]

Try google for it =/

[snzspeed]

Pekka Kana 2
thats a finnish game which pwns (-)

[Jerrythabest]

"tell me how to do it" thats the point. I cant!

[Pako]

well, my PK2 edit is going VERY WELL, as soon as i complete some things, ill release it :) it will have Spaz, too!

[Grytolle]

kk^^

[Pako]

I added a JJ1 cameo, because old jazz is an enemy :D i perfectioned some things, the sounds are still messed up, it stills has music from PK2, none from JJ2... but well, as soon as i add Spaz sprites, ill release an early beta! Only i need Spaz sprites :(

[Pako]

The PK2 JJ2 Mod Beta has been released! Click here (http://rapidshare.de/files/8730944/Modded_PK2_JJ2_Beta.zip.html) to dowload it! As soon as i get the Spaz sprites, ill add him as playable char! Oh, it contains more than one episode, cos i downloaded more. Rate it, plz. If not, at least comment.

[WaterRabbit]

The zip file is corrupted.

[White Rabbit]

You have requested the file Modded_PK2_JJ2_Beta.zip (14699410 Bytes). This file has been downloaded 2 times already.
IMPORTANT: Download-accelerators are only supported with a PREMIUM-Account!

Your IP-address (XXX) is already downloading a file. You have to wait until it is finished.

I wasn't downloading anything! What's wrong? ;(
I have tried using both FF and IE.

[Birdie]

it's an evil mega AI virus so it infected the zip!:lol:
pako please use another file sharing site

[Jerrythabest]

There are SO much of these, how can you allways select the worse of all?:Z ;-)

[Pako]

please say one!

[Pako]

Well, now you can download it here! (http://www.sendmefile.com/00170698) Play ChickyLand to test Lori! Oh, someone please give me Spaz sprites!

[Jerrythabest]

you can use Freewebs (http://www.freewebs.com) Byethost (http://www.byethost.com) MBNet (http://koti.mbnet.fi) (bah Finnish) and lots more! No more timer-thingys plz, I hate waiting for 30 seconds to download stuff!

[Pako]

ok, now go and test it :D

[ThunderPX]

Urgh. Ugly ugly ugly. Don't crop the sprites.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Screenies?

[Super_Jarno]

well i i hate it!
this must be the 1.25??

MAKE ONE!!
oops sorry...

[Pako]

Urgh. Ugly ugly ugly. Don't crop the sprites.
LOL! Its like saying: "Lets put this 2gbs file into that 700mbs cd without reducting!". Dude, if i dont reduct them, then they will not work! Oh, btw...
well i i hate it!
If you wanna to help, explain why, please.
this must be the 1.25?? MAKE ONE!!
Excuse me, but make WHAT?!
Oh, note that this is the first time i mod a game.
EDIT: Pageclaim on the name of that mod (that one was hard to do).

[ThunderPX]

Isn't the source code of this available? Then it should be possible to change the size of the sprites.

[Pako]

nope, we will have to wait until the Sprite Editor (in progress right now) releases, to create our own sprites (they call like that the Events).

[Jerrythabest]

The maker of PK2 has played Jj2, eh? Isnt he on the community/this board? If he reads this thread, he might wanna help!

[Pako]

Its released! Download link here! (http://rapidshare.de/files/10435623/PK2_Another_Jazz_Beta2.zip.html) Things what i did:

1.) Added Zoonik.*
2.) Added Bolly.
3.) Added frog.
4.) Added big font.
5.) Added cursor.
6.) Fixed some animation of Old Jazz enemy.*
7.) Deleted star thing when you killed something.
8.) Added tank.*
9.) Added some JJ1 gun stuff.*
10.) Added fruit.
11.) Added Superbot. (However, isnt a boss.)
12.) Some more things what didnt came to my mind.

Things to make on the final release:

1.) Spaz. (Please post sprites!)
2.) Everything from PK2 turned into JJ things.
3.) JJ Sounds. (I only implemented the blaster sound from Razz Arena wich doesnt even work.)

*Things from JJ1.

[piet]

http://rapidshare.de try to put it here untill we have a better mirror :)

[n00b]

Um, Pako when Jazz falls he doesnt automatically use the copter ears.
I think thats the only flaw until the sprite editor comes about.

[Pako]

Um, Pako when Jazz falls he doesnt automatically use the copter ears.
Yeah, but a rooster does shake its wings when falling, no? And nope, we cant change controls with the sprite editor. The point is what PK2 events are called sprites. BUT this game can be easily modded because the sprites are archived in BMPs.

[n00b]

I meant the fact that Lori is the size of a midget and Jazz magically thins himself as flaws that can be fixed via sprite editor
EDIT-And jazz is a rabbit, not a rooster sir.

[UNKNOWNFILE]

1.25 != game about stupid rooster thing
1.25 == experimental patch in progress which is located here (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=14407)

[ThunderPX]

1.25 != game about stupid rooster thing
1.25 == experimental patch in progress which is located here (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=14407)

Shut up, you're not even going to continue working on that.

[Pako]

I meant the fact that Lori is the size of a midget and Jazz magically thins himself as flaws that can be fixed via sprite editor
Ok, but remember: the sprites arent sprites, are events. (Lori is on the place of the midget, and Spaz will be on chicken place)
And jazz is a rabbit, not a rooster sir.
Yes, but the point is what the game before was about a rooster.
1.25 != game about stupid rooster thing
1.25 == experimental patch in progress which is located here (http://showthread.php?t=14407)
Wrong. Correction here:
Another Jazz = mod made in a game about stupid rooster thing
1.25 == experimental patch not in progress which is located here (http://showthread.php?t=14407)
Better ;)
EDIT=Oh, and remember what:
1.) I worked REALLY hard on this mod.
2.) Its the first time what i mod something. (And by the way it is going, the last)
3.) This is the only 2D *ACTIVE* JJ2 mod on this community.

Thanks for calling the Janne work "stupid rooster game", you probably made him sad.

[Jerrythabest]

that shut them!

[n00b]

Sure, you just keep beleiving that Jerry.

[NovaStar]

Agreed.
++n00b

[Odin]

this thread sucks

[Pako]

Now you probably made Jerry sad! Zomgyourevilhahahaha.

[Sonyk]

3.) This is the only 2D JJ2 mod on this community.
http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=12213
http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=13788
http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=12733

3-hit combo!

[n00b]

Overkill!

[cooba]

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=13788...good times ;).

[Odin]

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=12213
http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=13788
http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=12733

3-hit combo!

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER (http://ccccombobreaker.ytmnd.com/#)

[Pako]

3.) This is the only 2D *ACTIVE* JJ2 mod on this community.
Answerkilled >)

[Jerrythabest]

combo combo this sounds like PopCap gamesXD

[Jerrythabest]

Okay, so let's revive this project (and thus this thread).

I've just moved the 'Fixes & Features' file in an iframe on page 4 because the old link was very outdated.


Maybe a little bit weird for a seemingly dead project, but a small 'progress' report:

AFAIK nowhere on this thread it's mentioned that the 1.25/Jazz2v2 project changed into the RRR project to get rid of legal problems and make it completely our own. You'll probably remember the sentence "Bored of bunnies? RRR: TLS coming soon" in our (=Jam and I) signatures. It would not be freeware and on the RRf you could win a free copy by guessing the meaning of RRR and another copy by guessing the meaning of TLS.

Well, I must admit that the RRR project never became anything more than almost a megabyte of plain .txt-concepts (still growing, I keep adding ideas) and a program that was, in one word, far from anything you could call a 'game'. We had a few people willing to make sprites, but it never became anything.

Then, for some reason I don't remember,the programming stopped and stuff went silent. Although I'm still adding ideas to the concepts, you could say that this project has died, no-one else was working on it. And in modern times you can revive dead things <strike>(just say you can ;p)</strike>. I've been looking for a programmer for a few weeks but free progammers (I wanted it to be freeware, as I doubted it would ever become anything worth a place in stores) are hard to find nowadays. But then, just a few days ago, I remembered this thread and thought: let's just revive it and see if there is anyone willing to help making RRR after over 17 months of silence.


As there is nothing to win anymore, RRR: TLS stands for Real Robot Resurrection: The Living Secret. This title allowed me to make up an interesting story which I'm not going to tell here. The gameplay should be more or less the same as JJ2, but the theme will be enterely different: robots (and now don't say "we have Battery Check", f00lz).

I'm not going to give too many details in here, but if you got any questions about anything of the game, you may ask. I just hope to find a few people willing to help bring this to life.

[sonicnathan 1]

Ahem. I believe, I thought up this idea a long time ago in the Jazz 2 episode thread. And nobody gave a Hardrive about it. Proof everybody hates me. Or at least thinks I'm lazy. WHICH I'M NOT!! And I already know that this can be done in gamemaker 6, Registered.
Gamemaker? Well I know a little about that. I' could help with level design.

(This was posted on the first page so if I mist anything important then please ignore this.)

[Jerrythabest]

In fact, you missed 5 pages which are hopefully enough to make clear that Gamemaker is completely not suitable for making a game like this. RRR was being made in MF. <!-- not the clan, you p00p -->

[Violet CLM]

I am working on a JJ2-style (but more powerful) engine in MMF that is intended to be pretty modifiable so MMF users can create pretty much any sort of game they want with the basic tile/mask/layer structure in place, and users can use a level editor rather than having to own MMF or something. Am I to understand it that you have some experience in the program yourself, or do you handle ideas only?

[ThunderPX]

GM > MMF kthx.

[Birdie]

Actual programming > GM

[Erik]

Actual programming > GM

<img src="http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/32/Fourever.jpg" width="800">

[Jerrythabest]

I am working on a JJ2-style (but more powerful) engine in MMF that is intended to be pretty modifiable so MMF users can create pretty much any sort of game they want with the basic tile/mask/layer structure in place, and users can use a level editor rather than having to own MMF or something. Am I to understand it that you have some experience in the program yourself, or do you handle ideas only?

I handle ideas only... I don't even have MMF myself :rolleyes: I prefer making tiny programs in Visual Basic, tho my knowledge of it is embarrassing. :p

[Dermo]

Jerry, your amount of knowledge in general is embarrassing.

[Jerrythabest]

I do not accept it that you bump a thread just to insult me. Go eat grass, moo.

[Dermo]

I was only kidding jerry. Sorry. I needed something to say to revive this thread. It shouldn't die.

And grass is delicious.