The Kings of fake

[Sasik]

I think that some things must be cleared up, because a few JCF members don’t know probably what we are talking about in the newest topic in clan talk. That’s why I decided to create a new thread. Urbs somehow couldn't do it, unless.

Maybe some of you will be shocked and maybe some of you will not believe in that, what I am going to write. A few days ago, I got an e-mail from Urbs entitled: 'a shocking news', and I was really shocked ;| A few other people also got this e-mail, and I thought that someone will post about it here, but since they didn't, I've decided to do it. I just feel that it's my duty to post it here ;|
I'll quote the Urbs's e-mail ( yes, I have his permission to do it ).
This is, without any exaggeration, one of the hardest e-mails I've ever had to write. Mainly because I really feel bad about what I am about to unveil. It will hurt the reputation of quite a few people, with whom I play JJ2 on a daily basis. When I first learned of what I am about to pass on to you, I was so angry, that my only goal was to get these people to admit what they did, so that I could do what I am doing now. But through time (about 2 weeks), I really started doubting, whether this is a good idea. On the end the the ideal of truth prevailed. I do not doubt that the people who committed this fraud did so without thinking of what their deceit would, in turn, do to others (or so I hope) since a lot of clans really lost a lot of their reputation due to what the C-C warteam did. Some nearly died, the clans that is :).
Ok to get to the point. Members of the C-C clan, changed their nicks, and if I understood correctly, under some circumstances even the IP adress, in order to play for the LB clan. The LB clan had at most 1 or
2 members, both unable to produce a serious threat to the likes of [semi-active], TF or DM. The rest of their members were basically people from the C-C clan. Stunner was Chiyu, I know Saddam was Vegito.
Grytolle and Anakin also played for LB. LB's actions robbed [si] or maybe even TF, of the semi finals. Let us not forget that [si] nearly ceased to exist, since alot of members left after JJ2WC2. And because C-C got twice the wars, that also showed in their main group, namely group B (twice the wars, you do the maths). Let it be known that Yasco and Squirrel didn't know anything about this, until the whole thing was over (for this I only have Yascos word). Although they later learned of the whole thing, and made Chiyu submit this to the rest of the clan. So if I understood correctly, this thing should be on C-C's closed forums, and thus accessible to all of the clan. I do not say that the whole clan knows, but the warteam definitely knows, as they actively participated in it. You might be thinking, what is this guy nuts? Accusing a reputable clan of such acts? Well I have the admission of Chiyu himself that he played under the nick Stunner LB, which I got through a MSN conversation. He later on even joined GpW without our knowledge, in order to help us, or so he claimed after we found out. That is also the main reason I am telling you this, because we were quite upset after we found out we were infiltrated.
Now I don't think that this thing is such a big "crime", so if they made their apologies, most people would forgive them. But there is of course the issue of JJ2WC2. Now there are quite a few issues about JJ2WC, and I doubt I need to point them out, so I leave that to the officials and C-C's opponents. I would like to say that this was a stupid move by the C-C warteam. What did they hope to gain by this?
Well more wars is definitely great. As is making sure one of the teams in the finals is your own instead of a potentially dangerous [si], which was known and renowned for its skills on sbv2. But they had a great team! I dare say they had the best team on the JJ2WC2 levels at that time. Or on most levels at least. They would have been top four for sure. What they did, is not something champions such as themselves should do. It's silly, it's not like u ever saw, say DM(DL), [GpW] or BW, do something like that when they dominated the scene. It's JJ2 for Christ's sake ?!?! You simply don't do stuff like that. Look at what will most likely happen to their reputation because of their foolish actions. And make no mistake, if I hadn't come out with this, someone else sooner or later would. There are just too many people who already knew. So to make a long story short, C-C warteam members, faked their nicks during JJ2WC2, and played for the LB clan, which caused alot of harm, to quite a few clans, not to mention ruined the whole idea of JJ2WC2. I felt it was necessary to inform the community, may the people judge, hail demos kratein. And once again, sorry guys(C-C), this would have come out sooner or later.

Urbs's e-mail says a lot. I also have the logs from conversations where Chiyu and Veg are admitting what they have done, but of course I won't post them here ( unless I get a permission from C-C'ers, but I think it won't happen.).
To be honest, I was sure that at least one LB's Member was a faker from C-C, but I didn't have any proofs then, and now we've got them. I didn't even imagine that they faked so much ;l
It's really hypocrisy. They even interviewed one another in their Newsletter ( Chiyu interviewed Saddam, while Vegito was Saddam -_- ). They've been lying to us for ages -.-. They didn't even stop faking after JJ2WC, Veg and Chiyu 'played' in JDC against 'Stunner'. Shouldn't they be banned from the tournament then?
Personally, I feel tricked. And I want them to apologize the whole community. As for me C-C'ers ruined the fun of playing jj2 in JJ2WC. Why have they done it? To win? To win what? A bad reputation?.. I don't know, but I think that they should be somehow punished for it.
Why am I posting these all things here? Well, my point is not to get some attention by posting a scandal. I just want to tell the community what was going on and that they were tricking us during the months. C-C used to fake in other, less important clan wars in the previous years, but no one did anything to stop it. I think some of us remember the Gremio's history, if not, read this thread:
http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=9872&page=1&
And now we got this…Where is the fairness and honesty?
I don't want to start a flame war, I just have a feeling that I must inform other people about what C-C has done and I want that shmeful deed to be remembered by you all We can only imagine, what else they have done to win jj2wc I hope that the new jj2wc supervisor will somehow prevent faking in clan wars
They didn't play only for LB. Grytolle was playing in LR during jj2wc2…They even played against themselves ( in clan wars against LR, when LR team consisted of Stunner + someone else ) -_-…

If people stopped lying, life would be better.

Thank you for reading. I'm done.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Well lemme just clarify 1 thing. The so called infiltration by Chiyu was all in his good will, he was even invited in the clan by me, under a false nick, but be that as it may. And I hereby declare he did no ill to gpw as a clan. What he did on JDC, I will not comment, and I don't really care that much. Although it wasnt right, but if u look at another topic, it seems alot of people were doing it. Thats all.

EDIT: I still stand firmly behind other points, and despite having caused a 3rd world war, I'm glad to see people realising that thy did things wrong, and finnaly repeneshing for them. If thats the correct term. Anyhow, alot of truths have been revealed, some more shocking some less, but I really dislike the fact that some tournaments which should have been firendly competition are misused like this. I understand clans hate to lose, or individuals, but never have I, or my clan cheated even if we knew we might lose. Sure we declined tons of wars, cuz hell, no one likes to lose. But that makes us lame, not cheaters. people be lame, dont be cheaters! It all comes out sooner or later...

[cooba]

Yet none of the CC members who participated in this said why did they do so.

First I read the topic name I thought it was made by shaney.

[Sasik]

First I read the topic name I thought it was made by shaney.

oh...you made me sad ; ( I didn't have any better idea ;p

[shaney]

Sasik (man) what are you trying to proof here was one thread not good enough (PA)

[Personal attack edit. You know this is disallowed. You get a subwarning. - FQuist]

[Grytolle]

I didn't play for LR in jj2wc...

Edit:What clan was the player in that picked sbv2 for semi-finals?

[Vegito]

look!
ÇC WILL TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERY CLAN AS WELL!
FINE?
About.. GpW, XSD, VS ÁND 8D.
cause OMG, you all did wrong, GpW and XSD for the most.
We will tell EVERYTHING about YOU as well!
WE WANTED TO KEEP PEACE BY SAVING IT ALL!
BUT NOW!! YOU SCREWED THE PEACE BY SAYING THE 'TRUTH'
NOW SO WILL WE!
AND I DONT THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH IT!
*COUGH* NIMROD *COUGH* NUNEZ *COUGH* SASIK *COUGH* YASCO *COUGH* SQUIRREL*

If you want it to tell it yourself, go ahead.
else we will do it for you anyways.

[Acronym edit - FQuist]

[cooba]

Amazing how majority of the JJ2 clans supposedly are involved in any kinds of corruption like this.

[Grytolle]

Lovely poem...

[FQuist]

What's wrong with saying the truth, Vegito? As long as the supposed truth isn't made up and is a real truth, it should probably get out, wether people will like it or not. If it's about personal things, ok, leave it. If it's about clan tournaments, cheating is just wrong.

[Fawriel]

IT'S TEH RAPTURE

[Yasco]

Yes , vegito , tell everything , truth has to be known. As long as you tell the truth and not only parts of it...

[Vegito]

What's wrong with saying the truth, Vegito? As long as the supposed truth isn't made up and is a real truth, it should probably get out, wether people will like it or not. If it's about personal things, ok, leave it. If it's about clan tournaments, cheating is just wrong.


We, CC, and many others wanted to keep the peace.
We knew that this was going to happen..
but now.. now they started this.. we have to tell others the truth about some other players as well.
even though I dislike it, and they will find out tomorrow, or maybe even tonight.
I dont think some persons like it either.

but oh well..
its the TRUTH. you cant blame us then either ;(

[Stijn]

Could someone please tell the truth about us (TF) too? I'm eager to hear it!

Really, this is all hilarious. You should take this whole clan thing a little less serious, especially C<!--comment-->C.

[Vegito]

Yes , vegito , tell everything , truth has to be known. As long as you tell the truth and not only parts of it...

You only told the truth about us, not about yourself either.
Look at yourself first.

[[GpW]Urbs]

BTW for all of those who havent gotten the mail and stuff, there are files that support it. I didnt make things up. It was mailed to all the clans who played in jj2wc2, so they should know. I'm writting this just to make sure you know i didnt lie in my e-mail.
And should u not believe me still, i can mail the things to you. I know this statement isnt cooling down things, but I dont want to be called a liar after what I wrote. My e-mail is: urbsgpw@gmail.com . Ohh and I didnt post the evidence here, cuz i remember that it was said one cant post chat logs here without other people agreeing to it. And i suppose its the same thing with pictures...

[Yasco]

I told the truth about me?I'm not telling bad things about you.And as I already heard , you're gonna tell everything , that's good.

[Vegito]

Indeed, but then again, some people like YOU wont like it either.
surely not about the XSD part.

[Vegito]

Could someone please tell the truth about us (TF) too? I'm eager to hear it!

Really, this is all hilarious. You should take this whole clan thing a little less serious, especially C<!--comment-->C.



haha, funny =D we have something about that as well ;d

[Stijn]

Well, why are you holding it back? Tell it!

[Yasco]

Indeed, but then again, some people like YOU wont like it either.
surely not about the XSD part.


I'd like it if you tell everything you know about that noobclan.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Uhm ya C-C is making a whole Truth kinda story. I applaude that. So dont flame em just yet for not telling everything. But it is normal, for people to reply to things in real time, unless there's alot to write about. But since it isnt only about C-C, dont draw wrong conclusions.
Ohh and dont bring yasco down, he told the truth before everyone else, thus forcing others into doing the same(doing the same and thus defending themselves, which is natural but still). Trust me, it takes quite a lot of guts to start a thing like this, and I WOULD KNOW!
This is what C-C and all the others should have done. But only yasco did it, cuz he felt bad, that shows his soul is confused, yet pure.
But ok, wont whine, at least your doing the right thing now...

[Yasco]

Veg...you act like nobody needs the truth...

[Nielsje]

OK, I was planning to make a LONG reply to this thread, but all those annoying messages on MSN drive me crazy. That's why I simply hereby decide to declare JJ2WC2 as an unfair tournament and all the trophies are from now on worthless. See you all again during JJ2WC III, which will have a very accurate IP detection and matching system. Any clan caught cheating then will be BANNED INSTANTLY.

Ok, now stop the whining please, it's all useless.

[Chiyu]

ÇC may be the Kings of fake, but VS are the <b>Emperors of fake</b>. Hypocrites.

Sylver VS played as several LR members in a clanwar against [si], while Sasik hosted it (so people wouldn't see Sylver's IP). Whether Gry/Seph asked him to do it or not is irrelevant, he DID do it.

And even worse than that;
CrushWurst/Nunez VS = Craft LR. Nunez played in clanwars for VS, and Craft played in clanwars for LR in JJ2WCII. CHEATING! So angry mob, leave ÇC alone for a sec and take a look at your friend VS, since VS did EXACTLY the same thing as ÇC. We played for LB, they played for LR.

Nunez VS also infiltrated GpW under the name "Aqrash GpW" later, and made some fake accounts at JDC to get points. Is that fair? Wow VS, you really ruined the game for me now, with all your faking and cheating :(.

We say, let the FULL truth be known :).
ÇC did bad things, I admit and I take responsibility, but VS shouldn't act like they're innocent if they did exactly the same bad things as ÇC, if not even more.

[Grytolle]

Yes , vegito , tell everything , truth has to be known. As long as you tell the truth and not only parts of it...The irony :)

Urbs"]Ohh and I didnt post the evidence here, cuz i remember that it was said one cant post chat logs here without other people agreeing to it. And i suppose its the same thing with pictures...You hereby have my permission to post chatlogs that solely concerns me :)

Shaney, you are not doing anyone a favour by PAing here. Keep that to msn, like I do :)

You say anything Whatever you like to say to me
Say anything You leave me out of my eyes
You say anything All I can hear is voice from dream
Say anything You can dry my every tear
(-)
Close your eyes and I'll kill you in the rain


Edit due to active thread: Nice, Chiyu :) And what else... let Chip's post conclude this please. JJ2WC was unfair from the start (playing supervisor), and we did things worse.

[Nielsje]

Also for next year, participating clans need to give out the IP's of their members to one of the Officials. They'll all be saved in a record, and in case of a mismatch a investigation will be started immediatly.

[Vegito]

there's A LOT to write about..
it will take a while, as I said. Lets say.. Saturday.. :P

[cooba]

ÇC may be the Kings of fake, but VS are the <b>Emperors of fake</b>.Pun intended? ;)

Anyway I take all my insults towards CC&nbsp;back. I shouldn't be flaming you all in the first place if I didn't know that both sides are doing basically the same thing. Sorry 8(

[[GpW]Urbs]

GG I applaude us chippie. kind of only fair, anything else would be a confusion.
Cant w8 for C-C to get their story out, so we can refute it and then everything is over... so we can play jdc again, with no fake acounts and such.

[Yasco]

OK, I was planning to make a LONG reply to this thread, but all those annoying messages on MSN drive me crazy. That's why I simply hereby decide to declare JJ2WC2 as an unfair tournament and all the trophies are from now on worthless. See you all again during JJ2WC III, which will have a very accurate IP detection and matching system. Any clan caught cheating then will be BANNED INSTANTLY.

Ok, now stop the whining please, it's all useless.


Good job , Chippie. I think we ALL should begin a new "jj2 life" without cheating or laming...and play a fair jj2wc3. Up to C-C to prove they're really the best clan!

[Grytolle]

Also for next year, participating clans need to give out the IP's of their members to one of the Officials. They'll all be saved in a record, and in case of a mismatch a investigation will be started immediatly.Nunez can switch IP, just so you know :)

[[GpW]Urbs]

Ohh another note, so can I. So ehm, well, we'll deal wiht this later:)

[Vegito]

Agreed with yasco.
And yes, I know I was wrong, and I take responsibility as well..
but you shouldn't have started flaming us untill you know the truth of your clan(members) as well ;-)

[FQuist]

We, CC, and many others wanted to keep the peace.
We knew that this was going to happen..
but now.. now they started this.. we have to tell others the truth about some other players as well.
even though I dislike it, and they will find out tomorrow, or maybe even tonight.
I dont think some persons like it either.

but oh well..
its the TRUTH. you cant blame us then either ;(You could've just not done these things in the first place. I'm not talking to you when saying 'you' but to whoever was involved in any of these things described. You reap what you sow, if you want to keep the peace, the best thing to do would be:

1. Show how this is widespread over all clans
2. Apologize for your own misbehaviour, and announce you will accept any sincere apologies from other clans.
3. Ask the other involved clans to forgive and forget and forgive them, and say you want to make a new start.

If this is war, it's only because the people involved all act immature. If people admit they were mistaken and not fight with others, nothing should go wrong. <strike>I haven't seen any admittances from C.C yet for example that they did wrong.</strike> Owning up to what you did wrong does not equal admitting defeat. You can say you did wrong and that you hope and expect the other clans will admit their faults too. That is not defeat, it's what's the grownup thing to do.

EDIT: after I started writing this reply they owned up to their responsibility. Good job. That's the mature thing to do. Nevermind things I said about not owning up. My remarks about that this should not cause war stand.

[Yasco]

Agreed with yasco.
And yes, I know I was wrong, and I take responsibility as well..
but you shouldn't have started flaming us untill you know the truth of your clan(members) as well ;-)



Yax?!Have I flamed you???Don't think so. And ehm..I know the truth about my clanmembers , indeed. So I agree with you to tell everyone ,as long as you tell C-C's part in it too.

[Vegito]

bah, I ADMIT I was wrong, k fine.

But first.. I surely want to show others their faults as well..
else I'd feel screwed since I and some others only showed the truth, and that they only 'suck' for others now.. ;O

[Vegito]

Yax?!Have I flamed you???Don't think so. And ehm..I know the truth about my clanmembers , indeed. So I agree with you to tell everyone ,as long as you tell C-C's part in it too.

We will, we will.
But I cant think up many other CÇ parts :-)
Since we didn't start the faking, as people will see then.

[cooba]

Now let's start a thread called "Everyone's Confessions".

[Grytolle]

You could've just not done these things in the first place. I'm not talking to you when saying 'you' but to whoever was involved in any of these things described. You reap what you sow, if you want to keep the peace, the best thing to do would be:

1. Show how this is widespread over all clans
2. Apologize for your own misbehaviour, and announce you will accept any sincere apologies from other clans.
3. Ask the other involved clans to forgive and forget and forgive them, and say you want to make a new start.

If this is war, it's only because the people involved all act immature. If people admit they were mistaken and not fight with others, nothing should go wrong. I haven't seen any admittances from C.C yet for example that they did wrong. Owning up to what you did wrong does not equal admitting defeat. You can say you did wrong and that you hope and expect the other clans will admit their faults too. That is not defeat, it's what's the grownup thing to do.
I used the techniche of silent admitting :) I only corrected Sasik on the part about me playing for LR, since ironically Nunez did that. There is no point in denying anything anymore, I guess. You stole n00b's concept - hence I won't say I love you. :rolleyes:

[Vegito]

Haha, well.. we can do that yes.
But I dont think some people will tell everything.
If not, I would surely like to help them ;-)

[Grytolle]

*assumes that someone else will post before me so I dont get double-post warning (or whatever)*
Now let's start a thread called "Everyone's Confessions". Seems fun.

[n00b]

Vegito can you please tell us the truths about the other clans?
Right now it looks like this is a crazy last attempt to get people to like you guys more than other clans.

[Yasco]

We both were wrong , Veg , especially me.I know my faults , I know your faults.I know my old clans' faults , I know your clan's faults. Thing is that we can't change those faults, wether we're sorry about these faults or not. I'm glad you react like this now.

[Grytolle]

Vegito can you please tell us the truths about the other clans?
Right now it looks like this is a crazy last attempt to get people to like you guys more than other clans.I don't love you anymore :o Ok, I love you now FQuist (eventhough you are an evil conceptstealer).

[Grytolle]

We both were wrong , Veg , especially me.I know my faults , I know your faults.I know my old clans' faults , I know your clan's faults. Thing is that we can't change those faults, wether we're sorry about these faults or not. I'm glad you react like this now.When I read this I see this very relieved young man. Like the weight of the world has been lifted of your shoulders. Like if I had killed you in the rain whilst your eyes were closed.

Edit: OMG NOONE POSTED PLZ DONT BAN FOR DOUBLEPOST :'(

[[GpW]Urbs]

Uhm n00b, they have a big story about all of us coming. Well they cant accuse us of cheating or anything serious(speaks for gpw and myself), but on some mattters related to 2 of our members. One who was also in their clan. But I don't mind that, as long as they can show their side of the whole thing as well, I'm fine with it. But we will refute their arguments, let there be no doubt, and not veg/gry, this isnt a threat!

[n00b]

Wow, this thread slowed down.

[FQuist]

With the risk I lose your declaration of love, Grytolle, If there's a row, public admitting works so much nicer, since it encourages everybody to be.. er, frank (no pun intended) and fair.

[Grytolle]

Lol, your name is frank and you want us to be frank ;)

Why would you lose my love for that? ;S

[Vegito]

Urbs.. you cant kill the arguments we have.. 2 of them are just too strong, you cant defend them.. the only thing those 2 persons can do is admit that they were wrong..
and I told you already, we cant tell yet.. a big story is coming up.

[Blackraptor]

(WA)

[Wide attack removal - FQuist]

[Grytolle]

(WA)MASSIVE PERSONAL ATTACK EDIT PLZ!! </rentamod>

Not really.

[Vegito]

Idd ;(
Well black, you can say whatever you like..
But then again.. Its the truth, isn't it? :)
everyone was so happy to hear it, now you should be happy :)
and if we make all the other things public, they all should be happy about their own faults! :)
and why doesn't VS reply anymore to this thread? ;) after Chiyu saying the things from nunez? ;)

[Chiyu]

VS thinks "Ooops, they weren't supposed to know THAT. GG, we're owned."

[Grytolle]

(WA)
Idd ;(
Well black, you can say whatever you like..
But then again.. Its the truth, isn't it? :)GAAAAAH. Bad move Vegito. You just stated that Blacky was right about the three words he said.

I like quoting...Close your eyes
and I'll kill you in the rain

[Grytolle]

VS thinks "Ooops, they weren't supposed to know THAT. GG, we're owned."More like, GG double-kill.

[Sasik]

Oh, now you said us! ;)

I didn't play for LR in jj2wc...
I hope you know that you are lying. ^^

Sylver VS played as several LR members in a clanwar against [si], while Sasik hosted it (so people wouldn't see Sylver's IP). Whether Gry/Seph asked him to do it or not is irrelevant, he DID do it.
Yes. You asked me to host it, and Sylver to play in it. And please, don’t say that it wasn’t you. I even didn’t know who was who at server then.

And even worse than that;
CrushWurst/Nunez VS = Craft LR. Nunez played in clanwars for VS, and Craft played in clanwars for LR in JJ2WCII. CHEATING! So angry mob, leave ÇC alone for a sec and take a look at your friend VS, since VS did EXACTLY the same thing as ÇC. We played for LB, they played for LR.

Nunez VS also infiltrated GpW under the name "Aqrash GpW" later, and made some fake accounts at JDC to get points. Is that fair? Wow VS, you really ruined the game for me now, with all your faking and cheating
I am not Nunez. Nunez is not the whole VS. I did NOT know that he was playing in LR and that he later joined GpW ( did he? ;o ). Once again: Nunez is not VS clan. It was Nunez who played for LR, not VS. Do you understand it now? It was his decision, not clan's decision. I didn’t know about that. I hope I don’t have to repeat it once again.

VS shouldn't act like they're innocent if they did exactly the same bad things as ÇC, if not even more.
You know, that you did ‘more bad things’.

Once again, we have never used any fakers in our clanwars. You asked us to help you one time, and one our member agreed on it. I didn’t have the power to stop him.
I and the whole VS Staff, didn’t know that Nunez was faking. He was earlier in CC, so he had to learn it from you :)

Have a nice day. Make peace not war.

@Veg/Chiyu/Gry: I couldn't reply earlier coz I was doing my homeworks for school. Yes, I have a life ;p

[FQuist]

Please do note that we'd like this thing to stay cool, so don't post personal attacks, anyone.

[Blackraptor]

Wow, something as slight as that even got edited.

anyways thanks for agreeing with me veg!!

[Vegito]

"Nunez played for LR, not VS."


http://www.craccoclan.com/CW33.jpg

;( Note: Crush VS = Nunez.

Sasik: I am sure Gry didn't play.


"You asked us to help you one time, and one our member agreed on it."

Nah, we didn't. Gry did, most likely, since LR was like his clan.

Btw, Sasik...
your WHOLE WARTEAM EXCEPT YOU were faking.
and you HELPED Sylver with it.

[Ragnarok!]

Please visit :

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?p=308826#post308826

[Sasik]

"Nunez played for LR, not VS."
http://www.craccoclan.com/CW33.jpg

I MEANT THAT WE ( VS ) DID NOT PLAY FOR LR, IT WAS ONLY NUNEZ, AND WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT, K?
Bye.

[Grytolle]

Oh, now you said us! ;)
"us"*? Well, it isnt like its abnormal to use the word "us", Sasik...I hope you know that you are lying. ^^I hope you know that you are making a fool of yourself. I didn't play for LR in jj2wc. I played against [Si] with LB though.Yes. You asked me to host it, and Sylver to play in it. And please, don’t say that it wasn’t you. I even didn’t know who was who at server then.It was me, I and Sephiroth who asked you to play. Not Chiyu.I am not Nunez.No (-), Sherlock :)Nunez is not the whole VS.Really? :) I did NOT know that he was playing in LR and that he later joined GpW ( did he? ;o ).Denial. (ok, I admit you are right here, let's all blame Nunez.) Once again: Nunez is not VS clan.Ok, thanks for repeating, didnt quite get it the first time. Nunez played for LR, not VS.Nunez played for VS, I am quite sure. Go check lineups for the Grand Final, anyone? Do you understand it now?Not really... You lost me at Nunez not play for VS. It was his decision, not clan decision. I didn’t know about that. I hope I don’t have to repeat it once again.I agree. Bad Nunez ;<

You know, that you did ‘more bad things’.Does that in any way justify the actions of your clan?
Once again, we have never used any fakers in our clanwars. You asked us to help you one time, and one our member agreed on it. I didn’t have the power to stop him.
I and the whole VS Staff, didn’t know that Nunez was faking. He was earlier in CC, so he had to learn it from you :)Touché, except that he didnt start faking till he joined you?
Have a nice day. Make peace not war.Lub ya.

@Veg: I couldn't reply earlier coz I was doing my homeworks for school. Yes, I have a life ;pOh, so that's what having a life is like.

[Vegito]

I MEANT THAT WE ( VS ) DID NOT PLAY FOR LR, IT WAS ONLY NUNEZ, AND WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT, K?
Bye.

But still, 2 out of 3 warteammembers faked.
and you helped.
OMFG you were bad too ;( just accept, like we did ;l
You can't help it that you cheated too. we helped a clan, so did you!
wow we did the same thing!

[Vegito]

Is there no warrior that could defeat Hua Xiong?

I could try ;(

[Grytolle]

I love how Jorie can make anyhing look like a poem <3<3<3
go odd linebreaking:)

[Grytolle]

I love Chiyu. <3 (and Vegito and FQuist) - for no apparent reason, except that he demanded a love declaration on msn.

[Vegito]

We own now as well =DD (I think we kind of closed this thread now.. though the story hasnt ended yet untill we fought bad, like I asid 26206 times earlier. AFter that, lets just go on with our lifes. :P)

[Grytolle]

We own now as well =DD (I think we kind of closed this thread now.. though the story hasnt ended yet untill we fought bad, like I asid 26206 times earlier. AFter that, lets just go on with our lifes. :P)Yes we do. (No we didnt, my true love Frank does that. Sasik has already gone back to his life as stated earlier. Go homework.)

[Stijn]

I've completely lost track of who did what. This is the worst fight ever!

I guess I'll just wait for the "story" (fiction?) C<!---->C seems to be preparing! How long will it be? 4 pages?

[Vegito]

(indeed. whats the fun of a life if its all about homework. o.O)

[Vegito]

I've completely lost track of who did what. This is the worst fight ever!

I guess I'll just wait for the "story" (fiction?) C<!---->C seems to be preparing! How long will it be? 4 pages?

An internet page.
and its erm.. (omfg, what was 'true' again. Fiction or non fiction? ;()

[shaney]

jees

[Grytolle]

jeesCongrats, this was your best post today <3

Vegito, fiction is what is mainly not true (for reference: what Sasik claim I did during jj2wc concerning LR) and non-ficiton is the opposite of ficiton, for example a statment like "Derby makes too many stupid edits".

[Vegito]

k, non fiction it is then.

[shaney]

what is so fiction about fiction in a lame topic that isnt going about fiction

[Grytolle]

what is so fiction about fiction in a lame topic that isnt going about fictionWell spoken.You are quite right. The topic isn't about fiction, and it's quite lame that it isn't about fiction. Hence: What is your favourite Wheel of Time-book? *wants Urbs to reply*

[shaney]

Fiction has spoken about lame fiction so where does this lame fiction will take us next , i mean fiction is about books etc climbing mountains , this is fiction about how to destroy a clan in 1 single day

[Grytolle]

Uuuurbs, anwer me:( I love you if you say the book where Saidin is clensed.

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

Cao Cao will attack from the east

[White Rabbit]

I applaud all those that have the courage to stand before us all and confess their wrongs. However, I feel no great sympathy and I will most likely not rebuke anyone here, not because these things have nothing to do with my clan and I (as a matter of fact, they do, since I think TF and its members should continue to stay on good terms with everyone and, besides, we would've stood a better chance vs the real LB warteam in JJ2WCII), but because these are in reality easily solvable matters. All right…..so real wars have started for much less. But stay cool, count to 10, and remember to not break the community when using it to bash each other on the hand.

The same goes for any other of these 'confession' threads, including Yasco's, unless otherwise stated. It saves me a lot of time.

[FQuist]

Anyone who posts purposedly offtopic after this will get a subwarning. For some of you that will mean a ban. Some of you were asked in private to stop, and you did not. I'm being lenient in not treating that as warning-worthy.

[Sasik]

Everyone makes mistakes. So did our members ( Nunez shouldn’t play for LR - as a clanleader I didn't let him to do that, I even didn't know about that ;l, and Sylver shouldn’t agree to play for you in that old clan war, in November’04 – it was non jj2wc clanwar ), but we didn’t get any benefits from that, it didn’t even prejudice anyone.
In comparison with all things what you have done, it’s really nothing.

[Grytolle]

How does something prejudice anyone? :S By playing for LR against [Si] Nunez made an attempt to miscredit [Si], however a failed one.

What we did merely upweighed the benefit [Si] would have had by picking the map for the semi-final themselves. (not saying it was really righteous, it was just how we, or atleast I, reasoned)

[R3ptile]

Saving IP's won't help as you could always use proxies. Just don't let unknown players participate.

[[GpW]Urbs]

GRY i think it's the 9th book. I think I was talking to chiyu, so i couldnt answer gry.

[Grytolle]

You are forgiven ;D

[Vegito]

Everyone makes mistakes. So did our members ( Nunez shouldn’t play for LR - as a clanleader I didn't let him to do that, I even didn't know about that ;l, and Sylver shouldn’t agree to play for you in that old clan war, in November’04 – it was non jj2wc clanwar ), but we didn’t get any benefits from that, it didn’t even prejudice anyone.
In comparison with all things what you have done, it’s really nothing.



Shut up? You did it as well by yourself. and you did try to prejudice anyone.
But however, you failed. Why flaming and trying to attack CÇ when you did it by yourself as well? It doesn't make you look very good ;(
First think about YOUR faults as a clan while blaming others ;( But oh well, you didn't want to keep the peace. G_G


OHW and btw. "everyone makes mistakes" huh? why being so mad at us, while we made mistakes as well ;( nice try ;-) I won't count that as an argument till you tell the same about us.

[shaney]

Shut up? You did it as well by yourself. and you did try to prejudice anyone.
But however, you failed. Why flaming and trying to attack CÇ when you did it by yourself as well? It doesn't make you look very good ;(
First think about YOUR faults as a clan while blaming others ;( But oh well, you didn't want to keep the peace. G_G


OHW and btw. "everyone makes mistakes" huh? why being so mad at us, while we made mistakes as well ;( nice try ;-) I won't count that as an argument till you tell the same about us.


very GG Vegi your right why is some one that addmts people make mistakes flame some one cause he made a big mistake it makes no sense , for u sasik look in the mirror what do you think of your self , are you asking your self boy i didnt knew about nunez fighting for LR , and maybe you might think of it that chiyu didnt knew some one was faking him i mean we have sen many fakers over the years ,
, look in the mirror sasik and see what you and urbs are doing to our comunity you could just take a chill and tell us in our faces not take it this majorly it is about jj2wc2 has jj2wc2 have any relationship with j20 jdc or jcf nope

[Grytolle]

GAAAAH WHO INTENTIONALLY TRIES TO PREJUDICE ANYONE??? Please consult a dictionary... I really dont get Sasik's nor Veg's posts.

[shaney]

gry i think the mean prejustice or so

[Grytolle]

and I think "zero axe tolstoj upsalensis or so"...

[Enigma]

I could write a nice long post and complain and stuff, but as WR stated earlier, the Total Freaks prefer to keep their belligerence to a minimum. I'd just like to point out one little thing to the C-C members who think they're "pwning" VS: just because they did the same, that doesn't mean what you did wasn't cheating. Think about that for a minute.

Oh, and I'm dying to read what you guys are writing. I'm looking for a good read, and since I just can't find the da Vinci code in any bookstore, I'm eager for some different conspiracy story ;)

[Vegito]

omg enig, I know.
like why did I say sorry and stuff? ;-P
I am not saying we werent wrong. but I am saying that they ALSO were wrong ;)

[acronym clearance - FQ]

[FQuist]

People seem to focus and care most of all about how others are wrong, though, or at least that's about the only thing they post about.

One thing I'd add is that people are kind of loud about how this will destroy all trust, but it also clears up other people's names who got blamed for what others did, like R3ptile.

[Grytolle]

How was R3p's name cleared?:S

[Gr33n Pl4nt]

I believe I have bought enough time

[FQuist]

He did not abuse his power in wanting to disqualify members from JJ2WC for cheating (apparently, he was accused of that. don't ask me why).

[R3ptile]

He did not abuse his power in wanting to disqualify members from JJ2WC for cheating (apparently, he was accused of that. don't ask me why).
Yes I was, by CC. That's why. They defended their fake aliases.

[Chiyu]

The reason I accused Rep of power abusing was concerning the score of the clanwar LB vs. [TF]. But I don't feel like talking about this again so never mind.

[Stijn]

So where's the promised Full Truth document?

[Chiyu]

I am still working, Flash. I'm not sure if you can call it the full truth about everything that happened in JJ2 but it's just some stories that WE know during the same timeline of the LB fakers and slightly prior to that. Yep, there have been quite a lot of faker scandals lately...

[shaney]

GG chiyu ,


PS GP are you ever gonna post something usefull on topic or are you only gonna lame about things that are going way offtopic

[Anakin[CC]]

Only thing i can say is that i played because LB didnt have enough players in their match vs LR, i was asked to help, and i didnt want to dissapoint my friends, i helped as a friend, the outcome was decided before the match started anyway.

I also think the LB thing has no link with CC's results in the tournament, i have to say that i was never behind the plan but there are also things the community did to me i think they where not right, thats all i have to say, Im open for discussions on msn, but this is the way i think about it.

Oh and btw, you're in trouble Urbs =)

[[GpW]Urbs]

Uhm well Anakin, i take that as a PA, and I'm really sorry to hear that, because I'm really on friendly terms with ur clanleader again. And no I aint in trouble, i've got Zone Alarm. As for your arguments, well I'm always up for a debate.

[Grytolle]

Bleh...so this was posted after all... Hf at birthday party, guys:)

[Eminey]

Hmm veg
(-) plzzz

C-C got lots of fake nicks too (And clans)
Like:

BR (The brothers 2004)
TEC (The Elemental Clan - 2003/4)
LB (Legendary Blades 2005)

Cloud, Nail etc.
What with them - -' ?

[Context edit for inappropiate sentence - FQuist]

[White Rabbit]

Lol?

I was pretty sure BR was independent.

[Yasco]

Why do I get a subwarning for 1 off-topic reply while GP's did thousands off-topic replies without getting any warning?

[FQuist]

Gr33n Pl4nt did get warnings. You may have noticed he's banned now.

[Yasco]

aw , okay.sorry then , don't ban me if this reply is off-topic

[FQuist]

You will not get banned for posting one off-topic message, and you are a long way away from a ban. You need three warnings for that. Next time please take this up in PMs though.

On topic now, please.

[Vegito]

Hmm veg
(-) plzzz

C-C got lots of fake nicks too (And clans)
Like:

BR (The brothers 2004)
TEC (The Elemental Clan - 2003/4)
LB (Legendary Blades 2005)

Cloud, Nail etc.
What with them - -' ?

[Context edit for inappropiate sentence - FQuist]



Im sorry that we had to tell it. But we had no choice, as you can see.
Or you should have stopped your leader. ;-P
I don't know nothing about TEC really. ;-O nor about BR. ;-O

[Yasco]

Im sorry that we had to tell it. But we had no choice, as you can see.
Or you should have stopped your leader. ;-P
I don't know nothing about TEC really. ;-O nor about BR. ;-O



You did , you even played a clanwar with BR against XSD. Don't lie , plz thx.

[Vegito]

You did , you even played a clanwar with BR against XSD. Don't lie , plz thx.

I did? well, if you say so.
What was my name back then o.0 which level did I play in?
I really dont know.

[Yasco]

I did? well, if you say so.
What was my name back then o.0 which level did I play in?
I really dont know.


I only remember that CB was Henk and that Ani was Er Murazor , and the level was DW :P Though you only did that because XSD didn't want a CW with C-C :P

[Vegito]

I still çan't remember it. ;l as you can see at the other topic as well.

[Yasco]

Never mind then

[Trafton]

I've never really liked much anime at all. Hiyao Miyazaki's films have been among my favourites, but I've never liked any of the anime television shows - just too fakely dramatic.

Maybe I just need to watch it more, though.

[Violet CLM]

I've never really liked much anime at all. Hiyao Miyazaki's films have been among my favourites, but I've never liked any of the anime television shows - just too fakely dramatic.

Maybe I just need to watch it more, though.
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