Wanna know more facts

[shaney]

http://www.craccoclan.com/truth.html



check this link give ur opinion

,<[Trafton>C.C is basically a giant ego cult for CraccoBoy

,<[Trafton>He manipulates people ad nauseum

<[C.C]Shaney> what trafton stop lying chiyu doesnt manipulate

,<[FQuist> C.C started out with crap (posting JCF/J2O admins in swastika tilesets)
and never lost it, even though people thing they did.

,<[Trafton> Shaney, I was in C.C

,<[Trafton> I know what goes on

,<[n00b`> Chiyu does

,<[n00b`> Why do you think that they didnt post a (-) thing about themselves in their 'list of clan cheatings' story?
,<[n00b`> So that way they look better, and manipulate the public
,<[n00b`> And let me remind you Chiyu wrote most of that story
,<[C.C]Shaney> trafton i know chiyu way better then you i am one of C.C,s loyal members chiyu isnt manipulant if he was i allready had split the clan
,<[ninja``> you guys are being whiny (-)es
,<[ninja``> all of you
,<[C.C]Shaney> we didnt whine in the threads that was what you all did
,<[n00b`> Anyone not in an argument thinks that.
,<[Trafton> Shaney he tried to have me harass other clans under fake names.
,<[ninja``> there's no point in whining about this (-)
,<[n00b`> TRAFT! POST ABOUT THAT!
,<[FQuist> I know CB since he started making tilesets in which I was associated ,with Osama Bin Laden and porn.
,<[Trafton> If someone disagreed he'd have the other clan members harass them or shun them.
,<[FQuist> (PA)
,<[Trafton> That's the definition of manipulative.
<[C.C]Shaney> (PA)
,<[ninja``> cb is (a person)
,<[MaGoo> For the brief time I was in C.C all I can remember is CB making us run around in his stupid levels for training purposes.
,<[n00b`> Shaney, thats not tuer i knwo nimodr more than u i ma his mst loal mamber
,<[n00b`> if he manplutive i have spitted him lngo aog
,<[FQuist> (PA)
,<[Trafton> I can't really speak about Nimrod, but CraccoBoy requested blatantly illegal things.
,<[Trafton> And some amusingly retarded things
,<[n00b`> <[C,C]Shaney> C,C now is more About look we can atack you 2 we wont do nothing against people that just atack us, i mean when terrorist hit a building does america sits still no he kills innocent people,
,<[Trafton> No, white people can't be terrorists, MaGoo.
,<[C,C]Shaney> ehem (PA) what about stop refering a whole clan cause nimrod is actually still C,C he is our technicle suporter so actually your giveng also a PA to nimrod
,<[MaGoo> Your arguing makes baby Jesus cry.
,<[C,C]Shaney> who is baby jesus didnt they nail him to a cross
,<[Blackraptor> :(
,<[MaGoo> I lose.
,<[C,C]Shaney> so what i dont care anymore about talking nice about things here you were the people to choose to call me a jew, so i decide that
,<[Trafton> oh that's broken
,<[Blackraptor> haha painful
,<[Blackraptor> yeah, but jesus didnt call you a jew now did he?
,<[C,C]Shaney> no so you say that makes jesu cry i jjust give a fact jesus is dead he was nailed to a cross 2005 years ago
,<[C,C]Shaney> i remembered a thing what i have read what des easter mean the date easter falls is the da jesus died
,<[Blackraptor> we went from C,C to Trafton with shotguns to jesus.
,<[C,C]Shaney> i dunno
,<[C,C]Shaney> it go,s so fast
,<[Axie> Shaney, if your being totally serious...I'm going to cry. No one can lack a sense of humour to that extent.
,<[Trafton> How'd we get to Jesus?
,<[C,C]Shaney> what do you think i joke about jesus no
,<[Blackraptor> magoo came in and said "you make baby jesus cry"
,<[C,C]Shaney> i just gave tha hard fact jesus is dead so he cantcry
,<[Blackraptor> and a new discussion was born.
,<[FQuist> they know that, Shaney.
* Monobot *** End of list ***
,<[C,C]Shaney> so i dont care who is gonna ry about the (-) truth or anything you just seen cause its nothing compared what trafton did to me and some otherds
,<[C,C]Shaney> i dont get you the jews were the ones betraying jesus , and one of the reasons they nailed him
,<[Trafton> haha the jews nailed jesus
,<[Trafton> That sounds terrible to Americans
,<[Trafton> Shaney, Jesus was a Jew...so...
,<[C,C]Shaney> they betrayed him to the romans and the romans finished the thing
,<[Trafton> A group of them did.
,<[C,C]Shaney> so u see trafton thats a point just like C,C a group cheated and you blamne the whole clan what a point GG
,<[Blackraptor> relating C,C to jesus.
,<[Trafton> I don't blame the entire clan.
,<[Trafton> I blame CraccoBoy.
,<[Trafton> And those that follow abusive instructions, which is not the entire clan.
,<[Blackraptor> i blame those who were involved \o/
,<[FQuist> Who is the clan leader.
,<[Axie> Haha, I remember Trafton's C,C stories from EC2005. <3
,<[Trafton> Oh those were fun.
,<[C,C]Shaney> i blame my self for helping him wkith it but i dont leave CB for a reason like o now i betray you i stick with him cause he is my friend
,<[Trafton> CraccoBoy is hardly your friend, unfortunately.
,<[FQuist> don't start about it Trafton, doesn't help
,<[C,C]Shaney> Trafton there is so much you should learn before you open your mouth

[Personal attack edit. In #jj2 these remarks were tolerated, on the JCF they are questionable and need to be edited. The persons quoted did not break any JCF rules, but posting their quotes on the JCF is not tolerated by the JCF rules. - FQuist]

[Chiyu]

Hmm Shaney although I know your intensions are good, I don't think a topic like this is neccesary. Various CC'ers responsible, including me, apologised for what we've done and we merely showed some other true stories about people, like others revealed the truth about us. No need for provoking flamewars or anything...

[FQuist]

To call this a "massive attack" like you did is kind of comical. I do not really care for most incidents apart from two, among these the one involving JJ2WC2. Cheating outside a clan tournament is not that bad as cheating in the #1 tournament. There's no evidence posted for point 5. Apart from that, I'm not sure, but I think posting private logs is against the law in some countries.

[Blackraptor]

who cares.

funny read though. reminds me of a drama story.

[shaney]

this topic is about as neccesary as the king of fake thread i mean the king of fake thread go,s about exact the same as all you should know thread exact sothis doesnt matter either

[n00b]

I love how that mentions next to nothing about more truths about CC.
It looks like a huge propaganda staement saying "We rule, check these facts out so we look better"
If you really want to look better/bring up your image you should also make some confessions about bad things you did, instead of holding back all of this information until someone ratted your clan out and then show all of this without barely any piece of info saying "We also did something wrong, this is what we did".

[shaney]

C<b></b>C manages to get involved in quite a lot of Internet drama.


Drama my back trafton ehem drama drama means people crying


O you stole our world championship o you did this o you did that we aint gonna do drama we do thriller

[Nielsje]

The poll is pretty much subjective, options 1, 3 and 4 are all in favour of CC, and there's not really an option which says "this is stupid", so I vote for two.

About the "truth", I think posting and uploading this was quite a stupid decision of CC. Although they are allowed to defend themselves from all the critics they got during the last few days, this is probably only a step in the wrong direction. The clan should have been wise by treating the whole case like "We know it happened, we're sorry for everything, now leave us alone", which would have calmed down the whole thing. Instead, the CraccoClan decided to strike back. And instead of bringing up good arguments for what they did and constructive explanations, they feel openly offended and now involve people into the conflict who have nothing to do with it all.

I will now retreat from this stupid "war", since I have better things to do then reading about whining clans.

[n00b]

drama means people crying
Shaney, you now cant use the word drama.
You obviously dont know it's meaning.

[shaney]

Shaney, you now cant use the word drama.
You obviously dont know it's meaning.


what about you get the hell of this thread were you participating jj2wc2 no you werent (FTG)

[Flame tag removal. May I remind you that you should not attack people, and that you will get warnings if you continue to do so. - FQuist]

[Radium]

In response to the thread title: no.

[shaney]

In response to the thread title: no.


well GG the first bright reply

[Violet CLM]

I now want to know fewer facts. Or at least more interesting ones.

[Me]

Drama my back trafton ehem drama drama means people crying
Google is a good way to find out what the word 'drama' means. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Adrama&btnG=Google+Search)

[Vegito]

The poll is pretty much subjective, options 1, 3 and 4 are all in favour of CC, and there's not really an option which says "this is stupid", so I vote for two.

About the "truth", I think posting and uploading this was quite a stupid decision of CC. Although they are allowed to defend themselves from all the critics they got during the last few days, this is probably only a step in the wrong direction. The clan should have been wise by treating the whole case like "We know it happened, we're sorry for everything, now leave us alone", which would have calmed down the whole thing. Instead, the CraccoClan decided to strike back. And instead of bringing up good arguments for what they did and constructive explanations, they feel openly offended and now involve people into the conflict who have nothing to do with it all.

I will now retreat from this stupid "war", since I have better things to do then reading about whining clans.


Nah. They tell the truth about us, so we tell them about them as well. About what they did wrong. It wouldn't be fair if we only were 'de lul' right?
If you don't think like that, you just don't get CÇ's point.


To call this a "massive attack" like you did is kind of comical. I do not really care for most incidents apart from two, among these the one involving JJ2WC2. Cheating outside a clan tournament is not that bad as cheating in the #1 tournament. There's no evidence posted for point 5. Apart from that, I'm not sure, but I think posting private logs is against the law in some countries.


Ask Nimrod, he should know. He did it by himself. So we had a reason to do it as well. If you can't believe that you can't really believe it happened. It all was so logical. Nimrod even told us NOT to talk with eachother anymore.
If you believe it or not, its the truth. Chatlogs can prove it.

I love how that mentions next to nothing about more truths about CC.
It looks like a huge propaganda staement saying "We rule, check these facts out so we look better"
If you really want to look better/bring up your image you should also make some confessions about bad things you did, instead of holding back all of this information until someone ratted your clan out and then show all of this without barely any piece of info saying "We also did something wrong, this is what we did".

You probably think we did A LOT more wrong. Well, you can think that, but it's not true. and OMFG we said sorry already. OH! And why should they tell the truth about us, and we not about them? ;.; this just was a great opportunity for us to tell them their secrets as well. Hacking a site, breaking up friendships, faking people. Not very cool things..

[Stijn]

Let's count how many times Vegito says "OMFG" per post.

Anyway, although I doubt C<!---->C will believe us and anyone else will care, I'll hereby declare TF (or at least I) did not know about Thunder/Stiletto playing for XSD under another name.

And I was really expecting more :(

[R3ptile]

I'll hereby declare TF (or at least I) did not know about Thunder/Stiletto playing for XSD under another name.
It happened ages ago, before they even joined. :p

Edit: And if C-C and VS lost their championship title because of breaking the rules and stuff, then DM can unoffically consider themselves as the real winners of JJ2WC II. :O

[Stijn]

So why were they included on that page then, and why are they mentioned as "Stiletto of TF" etc?

[R3ptile]

So why were they included on that page then, and why are they mentioned as "Stiletto of TF" etc?
Maybe Stiletto was in TF, I can't remember, but Thunder was clanless or an XD member back then.

[shaney]

It happened ages ago, before they even joined. :p

Edit: And if C-C and VS lost their championship title because of breaking the rules and stuff, then DM can unoffically consider themselves as the real winners of JJ2WC II. :O



rep ur not amking sense the XsD clan ws in 2004 and in 2004 thunder and stiletto were TF

[R3ptile]

rep ur not amking sense the XsD clan ws in 2004 and in 2004 thunder and stiletto were TF
shaney im amking sense the XsD clan ws all so in 2003

Prove. (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=184612&postcount=1) (Anakin was a faker, he was still known as BunnyElmer back then. He probably opened two different JJ2 windows, and that might explain why there was so much lag)

Now I wanna know who played as ReDSpaZy.

[shaney]

shaney im amking sense the XsD clan ws all so in 2003

Prove. (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showpost.php?p=184612&postcount=1) (Anakin was a faker, he was still known as BunnyElmer back then. He probably opened two different JJ2 windows, and that might explain why there was so much lag)

Now I wanna know who played as ReDSpaZy.




well that thing i can awnser cause ReDSpaZy was a name sometimes still used by yasco , and i know yasco is ReDSpaZy

[Enigma]

Let's count how many times Vegito says "OMFG" per post.

Anyway, although I doubt C<!---->C will believe us and anyone else will care, I'll hereby declare TF (or at least I) did not know about Thunder/Stiletto playing for XSD under another name.

And I was really expecting more :(

I second the declaration.

And I too was kind of hoping for something that would provide a good read throughout the entire month of October. How disappointing :p

[R3ptile]

well that thing i can awnser cause ReDSpaZy was a name sometimes still used by yasco , and i know yasco is ReDSpaZy
true, but i think that somebody else played for him.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Well I think everyone thought these facts about the rest of us would be more important community wise. But hey, C-C had the right to do it, and if our ideal is revealing truth, I'm all for it. Some examples are a bit old as well, but nevertheless.
I applaud Chippie for his solution to the main reason this whole flame war started, he has really shown us all that he is clearheaded and is a worthy successor to Reptile. I'm sure C-C and VS who lost their crown(DM didnt, they're still the 1st in the world atm), can regain it in the next tournament, because their warteams are definetly among the best out there, C-C's lately even more so.
Another positive thing about this discussion is that we all realised, that the tournaments that up till now were more or less regular, have gone lose. I'm sure the community can cope with this, since we have some great programmers amongst our ranks as well. I'm sure the JDC crew and JJ2wc crew will have new and handy gadgets to make sure the tournament is fair for all, and played without any cheats and with real players.
The Cracco clan who was under the spotlights this time round, hasn't really been treated too unfairly in the end. Sure some people may think less of them, and they've lost the crown. But trust can be regained through time and righteous actions, and the crown is definetly within their reach next january.
We've learned of some saucy details about some other clans and people as well. What has proven to be quite difficult in this debate is, whether the actions of an individual can be generalised with the whole clan. The answer is without doubt no, unless that person is the clan leader, or one higher in the clans hierarchy. TF, for example, is definetly one of the friendliest clans, with some individuals that are so calm, and reasonable, that I can only envy them. And make no mistake, I do envy them. Yet one of its members was accused of helping out another clan, by changing his nick, and playing for them. A stupid, and irresponsible action, that could hurt the reputation of this persons clan. But I'm sure we all agree, that we can't generalise this on the whole of TF, right? Right. Leaders can't know about everything that their members do. But they should try, and they should warn their members, should they know about such or other plots.
Also I would like to applaud yasco, for admitting what he did. Trust me, it aint easy. And I can tell you from talking with him, he isn't a bad person, that's one thing I'm sure of(if I can judge who a good person is, after doing what I did). Because as I said, he felt bad about what he did, which proves he has a conscience. I think some1 said, that he must be a bad person as well(maybe in a diff topic), well he might be a bit confused and silly at times, but he's a heck of a jj2 player, and a heck of a person as well.
Now I'm out of this whole thing as well. Have a civil and on topic conversation people. And remember, having peace for all cost isn't the way to go, things have to be discussed. It's the same as, for example, a person holding his feelings inside for too long. It has to come out sooner or later. And when it comes, it comes with a boom, and usually not for the good of that person. The same goes for some people/organisations involved here. But heck I think we've all learned some valuable lessons, or so I hope.
HF

[Grytolle]

lubya urbs ;>

[[GpW]Urbs]

But ani doesnt:(
Ohh well I gues I deserve it...

[Grytolle]

I cant see you at msn, urbs >O Why does he not like you?:S

[[GpW]Urbs]

He says I'm in trouble, and thats indirectly saying something is going to happen to me(and yasco)... ohh well, I think I said im out of this:).
Never had a strong personality:)

[Stijn]

Urbs']And make no mistake, I do envy them.
*blushes* It's too much!

[[GpW]Urbs]

How do u know I meant u?:)

[cooba]

Sasik used his position as host well, so he could let his clanmate Sylver fake Seph and Gry. Shocking :O! Using Cooba's words: "Seriously, what kind of a leader is he if he lets his own clan cheat like this?".hahahaha Chiyu (PA)

[Personal attack edit - FQuist]

[Stijn]

How do u know I meant u?
I thought you meant the TF clan, which I represent ;)

[Fawriel]

*applauds Urbs*

[[GpW]Urbs]

well ur excluded cuz u lost the election, so nya:)

[Grytolle]

Stop generalizing, all... :( Ask me for a 2v2 on msn, quickly, before I leave.

[White Rabbit]

So when was that new chatlog saved?

[Blackraptor]

So when was that new chatlog saved?


Yes but have you considered Michael Moore's feelings about the situation?

[shaney]

So when was that new chatlog saved?



the new chatlog is from the #jj2 channel yesterday

[Blackraptor]

the new chatlog is from the #jj2 channel yesterday


You haven't been considering Michael Moore's thoughts about the situation, shame.

Guan Yu will have your head.

[Yasco]

true, but i think that somebody else played for him.


I am RedSpaZy , Rep....and I played for myself

[shaney]

I am RedSpaZy , Rep....and I played for myself



lol what kind of noobish clan was XsD\DT then if the clan members dont even know who there leaders are :P

[Yasco]

lol , I think I was "Yasco" when Rep was in XSD

[shaney]

you think? how lame :P i think you need to know it for sure if you dont know it your like a forgetin persona:P

[Yasco]

Thinking is lame?

[Yasco]

The poll is pretty much subjective, options 1, 3 and 4 are all in favour of CC, and there's not really an option which says "this is stupid", so I vote for two.






It's a shaney-poll.

[shaney]

It's a shaney-poll.


u need to learn respect to other people and (PA)

[Personal attack edit - FQuist]

[Yasco]

Hmmm?

[Chiyu]

<[n00b`> Why do you think that they didnt post a (-) thing about themselves in their 'list of clan cheatings' story?
Why? Because others had already done that for us, look at Sasik's and Yasco's posts.

<[Trafton>C.C is basically a giant ego cult for CraccoBoy
Wow, what a nice thing to say (did make me laugh actually IRL) :). Yeah, and despite me being such an evil manipulating abusing clanleader, I still have many loyal clanmembers. Unless they are ofcourse evil, incredibly stupid or brainwash3d!!

<[FQuist> C.C started out with crap (posting JCF/J2O admins in swastika tilesets) and never lost it, even though people thing they did.
Well done for bringing up things that happened <b>four years</b> ago. Yeah, ofcourse I'm still involved in childish things similar to that, you're so smart FQuist, you know more about me than I know myself ;).

<[MaGoo> For the brief time I was in C.C all I can remember is CB making us run around in his stupid levels for training purposes.
A lot of clans started out as noobs, and so did we, we've undergone a major transformation. Right now, we are capable of more things than completing test levels :).

<[Trafton> And those that follow abusive instructions, which is not the entire clan.
Funny how you talk about "abusive instructions" while I never see any of them. Dear CC'ers, could you please tell me what abusive instructions I'm giving you? I'm confused :(.

<[Trafton> CraccoBoy is hardly your friend, unfortunately.
I think it's up to Shaney himself which friends he wants to have, no? The friendship I have with Shaney is hardly your business. Thank you very much.

But seriously.. Especially FQuist and Trafton.. Surely you can come up with better theories and accusations than this? Although it's amusing to see you two make fools out of yourself and get laughed at, I can't deny that.

[cooba]

Well done for bringing up things that happened <b>four years</b> ago.Comes from someone who minds something as petty as stealing a gametype four years ago.

[Blackraptor]

Comes from someone who minds something as petty as stealing a gametype four years ago.


Cooba, we must make our stand here! Let us draw our rapiers from our sheaths and charge into combat!

[Vegito]

You know what I think?
Was this all worth it, Urbs? JJ2 will like never be the same anymore..
Everyone will look like "omfg, cheater" to eachother.
none will like ever trust some other jj2 player anymore.
I dont think it was worth it. Think twice next time =S

[Vegito]

Comes from someone who minds something as petty as stealing a gametype four years ago.

Ohw, and which is still played now.

[Vegito]

Funny how you talk about "abusive instructions" while I never see any of them. Dear CC'ers, could you please tell me what abusive instructions I'm giving you? I'm confused :(.



OMFG you force me to post here now ;(

[White Rabbit]

Hey, "Stunner" and SJ played vs Flash and I in a CTF game. Flash specifically asked for a player who was as good as him, but Stunner was obviously Chiyu. FOOS. YOU MADE STIJN HATE CTF. >O

[Vegito]

'FOOS. YOU'

well, it was one person who played that game. not 2 or more. ;-)
so it should be "FOO" :P

[Chiyu]

Oh, I'm sorry about that WR, wasn't intended. ;p

[shaney]

Trafton Trafton Trafton what do we have here a guy that calls people jews and muslim haters for his own amusement ,


Cooba , what stolen level concept can u awnser that no you cant you just say a gametype noobshop informatiomn


WR, o you caused stijn to hate CTF so what stijn was like inactive since when ever maybe its just his interest in CTF thats gone


well who do we have left

(PA)

[Personal attack edit - FQuist]

[UNKNOWNFILE]

Trafton Trafton Trafton what do we have here a guy that calls people jews and muslim haters for his own amusement ,


Cooba , what stolen level concept can u awnser that no you cant you just say a gametype noobshop informatiomn


WR, o you caused stijn to hate CTF so what stijn was like inactive since when ever maybe its just his interest in CTF thats gone


well who do we have left

(PA)


ACK PERSONAL ATTACKS! GET OUT THE MACE!

[Blackraptor]

Shaney has apparently decided to get me involved in this so I'll say my peace.

For whatever reason, Shaney has quoted portions of the chatlog where I attack C<b></b>C, but not where I explain why. Having been in C<b></b>C, I know what used to happen, and frankly I have no reason to believe things haven't changed. I've never posted about this but someone needs to end this bullying stuff that Chiyu has allowed.

When I was in CC, Chiyu/CraccoBoy whatever tried to make his clan members harass other clan members. He thought, for whatever reason, that joining servers and saying "boo" would convince people. He tried to have us go under other names and bother people he did not like.

He never did any of this himself, because he was much smarter than that. He always had his clan members do his dirty work so it could not be directly linked to him.

During this time, he maintained a cult of personality. He used words that made it sound like we were obligated to do this all to him because he was a great leader. He only promoted those who he thought were loyal to him. He discouraged those that did not cooperate with all of this, and had them considered traitors. He emotionally tortured those who were not sufficiently cooperating. For instance, he pretended to be "hacking" me because I would not join servers under the name AA and yell at DM members or something.

I have spoken to him several times since and have no reason to believe this all has ended at all.

I have no proof, so take all of this at face value, but consider that I don't have any reason to lie.


Shocking.

[shaney]

(PA) then why did you do chiyu,s dirty work heh?




i like working form chiyu its a pleasure i stick With C.C i will not leave unless beeing kicked out


you cant tell me who is my friend or not so what if chiyu did that in the past at least now he is doing it with us all toghether whats this topic for chiyu never knewi was gonna do this he allowed me to cause quite frankly (PA) that allow people beeing called jews even when they say you need to stop thats called also harassing you called me a racist a muslim hater so i dont get you the reason your not in C.C is cause we hate you and we even forgot you were ever in the clan cause we dont want to remember a member unloyal us you

[Personal attack edit. Do not post insults against other people - FQuist]

[Vegito]

Shaney has apparently decided to get me involved in this so I'll say my peace.

For whatever reason, Shaney has quoted portions of the chatlog where I attack C<b></b>C, but not where I explain why. Having been in C<b></b>C, I know what used to happen, and frankly I have no reason to believe things haven't changed. I've never posted about this but someone needs to end this bullying stuff that Chiyu has allowed.

When I was in ÇC, Chiyu/CraccoBoy whatever tried to make his clan members harass other clan members. He thought, for whatever reason, that joining servers and saying "boo" would convince people. He tried to have us go under other names and bother people he did not like.

He never did any of this himself, because he was much smarter than that. He always had his clan members do his dirty work so it could not be directly linked to him.

During this time, he maintained a cult of personality. He used words that made it sound like we were obligated to do this all to him because he was a great leader. He only promoted those who he thought were loyal to him. He discouraged those that did not cooperate with all of this, and had them considered traitors. He emotionally tortured those who were not sufficiently cooperating. For instance, he pretended to be "hacking" me because I would not join servers under the name AA and yell at DM members or something.

I have spoken to him several times since and have no reason to believe this all has ended at all.

I have no proof, so take all of this at face value, but consider that I don't have any reason to lie.


Thanks. cause this really AINT the truth.
omg, else I would go to some CÇ meeting today ;-(
Else I would still be in CÇ if he was some kind of dictator ;(
Else people stay in CÇ after they joined ;-(
GO ASK ALL OF THEM!

Derby: Flame tag/Acronym clearance. Avoid coaxing others into fighting you.

[Vegito]

Shaney, I apologised for that - which was done out of humour (I've considered converting to reform Judaism, actually). Tasteless humour, yes, which is why I stopped. But what you are doing is called Poisoning the Well - past actions do not make my point any less valid.

Vegito, to be honest, I'm not sure I understand your post but I assume it is sarcasm. I doubt everyone's C<b></b>C experience was the same, but at the same time, I have had several discussions with Chiyu since I left that make me question if anything has changed. I am glad yours was better, but I am simply trying to explain why I said what I was quoted as saying. I have no way of knowing what C<b></b>C is like today. I'm just saying my experience.

I have, though, gotten the impression that C<b></b>C has engaged in communal bullying of a certain person. This hardly impresses me as a clan that has changed. Maybe it has, but all I can go is from previous experience which has rather completely soured the clan for me.

Maybe first investigate before you call CÇ the way you call it now.
Since its not true. I wont stay in a clan with a dictator.
I wouldn't go to meetings then as well. I hope you understand my point.

[Lark]

I'm not even going to bother reading all the posts in between, I'd just like to state my opinion.

I used to be in C.C. I left when I realized that just about anyone could get in the clan. It didn't matter if they were good at the game, and it didn't matter if they were decent people. I realized that C.C had a very bad reputation, and some people were making assumptions about me on aC.Count of my clan mates. I'm not going to use any names, but some people started to not talk to me as much when I was in the clan.

I speak for many people when I say that I seriously dislike C.C as a clan. Don't get me wrong, I'm fond of some people in the clan (Vegito and Sk8terboy come to mind; there are probably some more guys that I'm not remembering right now). But C.C has so many people who are just downright... mean. And the clan has also done some really obnoxious things in competitions and the like. I'll always have a grudge against the clan.

As for saying that CraC.Coboy manipulates the clan, I have to disagree with that. He never tried to manipulate me when I was in the clan.

[Chiyu]

Shaney has apparently decided to get me involved in this so I'll say my peace.

For whatever reason, Shaney has quoted portions of the chatlog where I attack C<b></b>C, but not where I explain why. Having been in C<b></b>C, I know what used to happen, and frankly I have no reason to believe things haven't changed. I've never posted about this but someone needs to end this bullying stuff that Chiyu has allowed.

When I was in CC, Chiyu/CraccoBoy whatever tried to make his clan members harass other clan members. He thought, for whatever reason, that joining servers and saying "boo" would convince people. He tried to have us go under other names and bother people he did not like.

He never did any of this himself, because he was much smarter than that. He always had his clan members do his dirty work so it could not be directly linked to him.

During this time, he maintained a cult of personality. He used words that made it sound like we were obligated to do this all to him because he was a great leader. He only promoted those who he thought were loyal to him. He discouraged those that did not cooperate with all of this, and had them considered traitors. He emotionally tortured those who were not sufficiently cooperating. For instance, he pretended to be "hacking" me because I would not join servers under the name AA and yell at DM members or something.

I have spoken to him several times since and have no reason to believe this all has ended at all.

I have no proof, so take all of this at face value, but consider that I don't have any reason to lie.

Funny as hell. Especially the "boo", the "emotionally tortured" and the "hacking" parts made me laugh out loud. If I was/am really like that, the members would have realised my evilness and wouldn't stay in CC, let alone consider me as their friend (like many current members do, some of which have been in the clan since even before you joined it, Trafton). You really hurt my feelings with the "He used words that made it sound like we were obligated to do this all to him because he was a great leader. He only promoted those who he thought were loyal to him. He discouraged those that did not cooperate with all of this, and had them considered traitors. He emotionally tortured those who were not sufficiently cooperating." You KNOW I'm not like that, I only want the best for the clan, and the best for my members, and I always did... I'm really devoted to them.

Trafton.. You really haven't changed have you? You're still a (person), making up dramy stories that don't even come close to the truth to attack others and portrait yourself as a badly treated victim who needs sympathy... (PA)



PS, please Trafton, give me a break, you were the one always sucking up to me saying stuff like "ohh Chiyu you're a great leader because of your ethics and because of your ways of treating members ohh you're so great i lub you". Once a (person) hiding behind lies,

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[Chiyu]

To make others dislike CC, or me as a person even more? Maybe to provoke us CC'ers? Or because you just want attention?
You know that your story is soo not true (like Veg stated already), if it was, wouldn't you think you weren't the only one who felt like that? I haven't seen any stories like this before, from any ex-member or current member.

Seriously Trafton, you are not exactly living up to the expectations I had of you (even though they weren't that high after all, cuz let's be honest.. your reputation isn't exactly "great"). Disappointed in you, I am.

[FireSworD]

Well, I thought CC's reputation has been looked upon more fondly as of recent.

Then there's this little argument.

I realized that C.C had a very bad reputation, and some people were making assumptions about me on aC.Count of my clan mates. I'm not going to use any names, but some people started to not talk to me as much when I was in the clan.

So you change yourself just so that others would like you? - Wow, I bet that's something you wouldn't like to admit more directly.

As for saying that CraC.Coboy manipulates the clan, I have to disagree with that. He never tried to manipulate me when I was in the clan.

How can anyone possibly directly manipulate someone against their will on a videogame without a good risk involved if one tries to defy it?

I also remember you having us all rename to various fake parodies of DM names. I think I was supposed to be some variant of "FireSword."

Haha, I remember that. I was actually quite flattered at the time.

Of course, you can believe that I made this all up if you like. My reputation, which as far as I know isn't very bad beyond making sarcastically racist comments to Shaney (which I have apologised for) and doing idiotic stuff when I was younger (which I have also apologised for) aside, I invite people to make up their own mind about whether I'm telling the truth or not.

Is that you, Trafton? - You're taking this way too seriously.

Stop generalizing, all... Ask me for a 2v2 on msn, quickly, before I leave.

Alright!

[Blackraptor]

I am taking this way too seriously.

Life is too short for this kind of thing.

Oh well.

It's okay, Trafton. We love you as our navy commander.

Fire up the cannons, attack from the east!

[Grytolle]

Aaaaaarr :@ (what GP said)

[Vegito]

I kind of agree with FireSwords post, haha.
Unfortunuatly some persons take this a bit too serious, so I have to defend myself in a serious way too.
I hoped that this would get sorted out in a mature way..

[Grytolle]

I kind of agree with FireSwords post, haha.
Unfortunuatly some persons take this a bit too serious, so I have to defend myself in a serious way too.
I hoped that this would get sorted out in a mature way..Heh, you don't have to be serious. Look at me :cool:

[Blackraptor]

I kind of agree with FireSwords post, haha.
Unfortunuatly some persons take this a bit too serious, so I have to defend myself in a serious way too.
I hoped that this would get sorted out in a mature way..


You will be the first to taste my blade when war breaks out.

[Chiyu]

I agree with FS and Veg, can't really add anything to what they have already stated. I only needed to defend myself because I suddenly found this odd chatlog at JCF in which people were talking about me. I don't want to revive any old fights or bring up the distant past, really.

[Stijn]

Unfortunuatly some persons take this a bit too serious
Look who's talking. Who keeps posting things like "you're in trouble now"? Who stays awake until midnight to post a "chapter" of "shocking facts"? Who averagely uses four "OMFG"'s per post when it contains negative remarks about his clan? Who seems to solely post this stuff out of "revenge" on other clans that revealed the "truth"?

If there's someone taking this too serious, it's you and several other C<!--gg-->C members.

[Wei Yan]

You will be the first to taste my blade when war breaks out.

Grrr... I live only for battle!

[Vegito]

Look who's talking. Who keeps posting things like "you're in trouble now"? Who stays awake until midnight to post a "chapter" of "shocking facts"? Who averagely uses four "OMFG"'s per post when it contains negative remarks about his clan? Who seems to solely post this stuff out of "revenge" on other clans that revealed the "truth"?

If there's someone taking this too serious, it's you and several other C<!--gg-->C members.


Uh, not really. I usually stay up till midnight anyways at fridays and saturdays. We didn't work on it for 24/7. not at all, we did a 3v3 that night as well.
why I say omfg? because its a 'stopwoord' nothing more.
And why I said "you're in trouble now" is because I was mad, and then, wanted to post their faults as well.
Espescially VS' and GpW' faults.

And Stijn, why shouldn't we post the other' people faults as well? since they did that too us? try thinking about that, but nobody seems to agree with that somehow. But use logical thinking, and you should find out why we did that.

..But some people find it too hard though.. not saying names..

[Stijn]

Where did I say you shouldn't?

[Vegito]

Im asking you something. I never said that you said that.
Though you gave me the feeling you meant that as well. with the quotes:

"Who stays awake until midnight to post a "chapter" of "shocking facts"?"

"Who seems to solely post this stuff out of "revenge" on other clans that revealed the "truth"?"

Like we are like very active, and trying to kill other people's reputation, and that we are very seriously posting here.
Nah, not really. We don't try to revive these topics each day. Not at all, others do that for us. Questioning each time. I would like to stop with those topics and go on.
But oh well, some people can't, and some people think we suck and blablabla.

[Grytolle]

*quiet*

[White Rabbit]

@FS: Lrk didn't change himself, because he believed that people talked less to him because he was in the clan, not because of what he was. Switching clans is not changing one's personality. If that's not what you meant, you need to explain more. :p

[Blackraptor]

War is upon us! They have discovered our plan for conquest!


We have a traitor in our midst.

[R3ptile]

I hoped that this would get sorted out in a mature way..
Banning C-C from JJ2WC would be mature enough :D

[Vegito]

Banning C-C from JJ2WC would be mature enough :D

The only thing you want is CÇ as low as possible.
And if banning CÇ, you should ban VS as well.
So that kind of means that your opinion just doesn't count to me =)
You always hated CÇ anyways.

[Blackraptor]

Banning C-C from JJ2WC would be mature enough :D


Agreed :D

[Vegito]

You do that because you want to bully me ;-(

[Chiyu]

Veg, ignore them... We won JJ2WCII and if they ban us from JJ2WCIII, it will not be complete anyway since the title-holders wouldn't be there to defend the title.. Plus, removing C-C would remove a great deal of the competition from the cup.

[Blackraptor]

Veg, ignore them... We won JJ2WCII and if they ban us from JJ2WCIII, it will not be complete anyway since the title-holders wouldn't be there to defend the title.. Plus, removing C-C would remove a great deal of the competition from the cup.


Not really Agreed :D

[Vegito]

Black. If you want us banned, and if you say that its not a big deal to remove us from the cup... we will just do a clanwar with the winner from that cup.
and you know what the cup will be next year if ÇC gets banned?

DM. Vs. 8D

thats all whats left then, I think. Most clans are unactive (thus usually wont stand a chance.) or won't even play with their best warteam (like VS.)
Nice worldcup, it will be then :P

[Blackraptor]

Black. If you want us banned, and if you say that its not a big deal to remove us from the cup... we will just do a clanwar with the winner from that cup.
and you know what the cup will be next year if ÇC gets banned?

DM. Vs. 8D

thats all whats left then, I think. Most clans are unactive (thus usually wont stand a chance.) or won't even play with their best warteam (like VS.)
Nice worldcup, it will be then :P

Agreed or not, its a MYSTERY :D

[Vegito]

yay for mistery's ;-(
well, do whatever you like =P you know what banning CÇ would mean =P
And we'd do a clanwar VS the winner then though ;-( just to defend the title =P

[Blackraptor]

yay for mistery's ;-(
well, do whatever you like =P you know what banning CÇ would mean =P
And we'd do a clanwar VS the winner then though ;-( just to defend the title =P


And if the winner doesnt want a clanwar?

[Vegito]

then they probably are just afraid. ;-P

[Eminey]

Sasik and the whole VS Clan didn’t know that I was faking in LR ( Grytolle did ), so blame/flame only me, not the whole clan.
I did it only to play more games and train myself. Overall, I played only 1 clan war in LR, against [si] I’m sorry for this ;l

[R3ptile]

I want C-C to DIE.

[Eminey]

Hmm... truth... lol
What with the fake clans like
TEC?
BR?
LB?

That was C-C... soo?

[Ðx]

(FTG)

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[R3ptile]

Hmm... truth... lol
What with the fake clans like
TEC?
BR?
LB?

That was C-C... soo?
and also BoB and others..

[Chiyu]

I want C-C to DIE.
(FTG)

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[Stijn]

Im asking you something. I never said that you said that.It sounded like you did. I don't care whether you post this stuff or not, anyway. I can react on it though.

Like we are like very active, and trying to kill other people's reputation, and that we are very seriously posting here.
Nah, not really. We don't try to revive these topics each day. Not at all, others do that for us. Questioning each time. I would like to stop with those topics and go on.
But oh well, some people can't, and some people think we suck and blablabla.
I don't really understand this part...

you know what the cup will be next year if ÇC gets banned?
DM. Vs. 8<!---->D
Nice worldcup, it will be then :P
Else it would be DM vs. 8<!---->D vs. CC. Like if that's a nice worldcup.

This game is too small to have a clan worldcup, "clan tournament" would be a better name. But that doesn't sound fancy, so I guess world cup is a nice name (that was not meant to critisize you, btw)

[Vegito]

I want C-C to DIE.

(FTG) I have never liked you, good that I can say that now though =) I'll just go ahead with ignoring you again.


Else it would be DM vs. 8<!---->D vs. CC. Like if that's a nice worldcup.


Stijn, it will be better then though.

And Nunez, I don't know nothing about BR. Except that BR>Piet excists :P
And TEC is too long ago, I can't remember a thing of it ;l

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[Grytolle]

And I dont wanna be affiliated with any such opinions.

[White Rabbit]

BR was not fake. :|

[R3ptile]

Thanks, I feel the same way about you :]
(PA)

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[Yasco]

BR was not fake. :|


The REAL BR wasn't fake , idd.

[R3ptile]

Now I'm just laughing at Shaney since he joined LB because he hated C-C. :D

Actually I think that banning C-C would be a great idea after all since there's no clan who has a chance against them. :)

[Vegito]

I'm glad to see our feelings are mutual. :]

@Vegito: Haha, I was kidding, I'm just making fun of you JJ2 addicts. ;-P You wish someone to die because he hates your clan, now That shows how sad you are. :lol:

Nah, it doesn't prove how sad I am. It just proves that I never have liked you, and this was a good moment to tell you. That hasn't got much to do with the clan. I won't say that I hate blacky, if he says he hates CC.



Actually I think that banning C-C would be a great idea after all since there's no clan who has a chance against them. :)

Thanks :)

[[GpW]Urbs]

banning a clan from a tournament would make that tournament unfair, but getting people who did unfair things disqualified is correct. Besides, jj2wc2 will happen again, history repeats itself, and it's very likely C-C will reclaim its lost title. If not, I'm sure it will be one of the top contenders for the prize.

[R3ptile]

I never have liked you
But why?? :confused:

[Chiyu]

Urbs']banning a clan from a tournament would make that tournament unfair, but getting people who did unfair things disqualified is correct. Besides, jj2wc2 will happen again, history repeats itself, and it's very likely C-C will reclaim its lost title. If not, I'm sure it will be one of the top contenders for the prize.
Lost title? We never lost anything. ;p

[cooba]

You're still a (person), making up dramy stories that don't even come close to the truth to attack others and portrait yourself as a badly treated victim who needs sympathyJust like you, apparently.

[R3ptile]

Just like you, apparently.
gg<o>

[Vegito]

But why?? :confused:

The way you always did to me =)


Ohw and Urbs, I still haven't got an answer on...
Was this all worth it?
I don't think so it was..

[Blackraptor]

The way you always did to me =)


Ohw and Urbs, I still haven't got an answer on...
Was this all worth it?
I don't think so it was..


I think Urbs did a good job on posting this. Just me though.

[Vegito]

Yes. Thats good.
But the bad thing is.. the fights which are up now. :P
and ruining the 'community' for a few people, and losing trust in many people.

[ShadowGPW]

Dont take yourself or your team to seriously. Might lead up to a headache.

But yes CraccoBoy, if you did this at 'serious' cups on tournament page like ESL-Europe, CAL or ClanBase. You would have been banned from cups and ladders for 3 months and lost your clanaccount with all the records and titles. So its logically if the JJ2WC crew reclaim everything and put the cuptitle to a different clan. It's a wonder they are so mild and let you in at the new season.

Honestly I don't care if you faked or not. Since I still laugh about this whole situation and how you take yourself so seriously in this game.

[Violet CLM]

I'm always just on the brink of laughing when reading this topic. My favorite part is probably the various attempts to include the letters CC&nbsp;in posts without receiving errors.

[n00b]

Can I have anything said by me in the log in the first post edited out?
I'd rather not be dragged into this further because of rhe way shaney tries to solve problems by starting more of them.

[Blackraptor]

Can I have anything said by me in the log in the first post edited out?
I'd rather not be dragged into this further because of rhe way shaney tries to solve problems by starting more of them.


Yeah, I love how Shaney made it worse by dragging in more people into this (like Trafton), who otherwise would just have left this topic alone..

[Vegito]

++shaney :P

[White Rabbit]

You ppl have horrible sarcasm. Oh, you 'love' this and that...be more creative. >|

[Blackraptor]

You ppl have horrible sarcasm. Oh, you 'love' this and that...be more creative. >|


WR I love you.

[White Rabbit]

Blacky PAd me.

[n00b]

++shaney :P
For starting more fights?
*sigh* I should have expected this from a clan whose leader thinks its a preistiege honor to be banned from the JCF (FTG)

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[Blackraptor]

Blacky PAd me.


WR I still love you <3

[Vegito]

For starting more fights?
*sigh* I should have expected this from a clan whose leader thinks its a preistiege honor to be banned from the JCF (FTG)

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And you dont know what sarcasm is.

[n00b]

And you dont know what sarcasm is.
I can only detect sarcasm on the internet when it is obviously implied.
Sorry that I couldnt detect the tone of what you were typing.

[Grytolle]

It was obvious...

[n00b]

It was obvious...
On IRC me and Fquist both found enough reasons why it wasnt.
Now end the subject, and go back to shaney's original topic.

[Vegito]

I forgot about what it was... :P
And why still talking about this? Shaney isn't able to defend himself now, is he?
You can call him a noob and whatever now, without anyone doing something about it. Nor he can speak. GJ :-) *and that "GJ" was sarcasm.*

[Stijn]

I think it's shaney's own fault that he is banned. The thread is still open, so we are free to continue.

[Nielsje]

http://www.forenpics.de/wayne/deargod.jpg

[ShadowGPW]

I forgot about what it was... :P
And why still talking about this? Shaney isn't able to defend himself now, is he?
You can call him a noob and whatever now, without anyone doing something about it. Nor he can speak. GJ :-) *and that "GJ" was sarcasm.*

... and you honestly care? :Z

[Vegito]

I only think that he should be able to defend himself.
It would be lame to talk about him in public, and that he can't say anything about it. wouldn't it?
Thats the same as that I talk about you, and I put something on your mouth so you can't speak.

[Fawriel]

/me bellows cheers for Chippie

[Sonyk]

I would just like to say something here.

A clan cheated. Okay, who cares. It happened, and now it's over. Why is anyone refusing to accept that? Oh, because of pride?

Right, because of your pride, you can't accept the fact that you got caught cheating. So now you have to go in and find a way to blame every other clan as well? That hardly seems fair.

After all, it's a BUNNY RABBIT GAME. If you can cheat in it, good for you. If you cheat in it, good for you. Who really cares? Sure, you shouldn't, and if you get caught, everyone has the right to know so-and-so did such a thing, but I really don't see why it has to become something like this.

If nobody cares to read what jumbled thoughts I have to say, at least read this. It happened. And now it's over. Accept that and move on.

[ShadowGPW]

I only think that he should be able to defend himself.
It would be lame to talk about him in public, and that he can't say anything about it. wouldn't it?
Thats the same as that I talk about you, and I put something on your mouth so you can't speak.

he did that for himself. He went so far that he got banned. if he can't speak back it is his own fault.

[Trafton]

I only think that he should be able to defend himself.
It would be lame to talk about him in public, and that he can't say anything about it. wouldn't it?
Thats the same as that I talk about you, and I put something on your mouth so you can't speak.

He intentionally got himself banned, so he has rejected the privilege of defending himself.

[Ae]

And there was much rejoicing.

[n00b]

Besides, until Shaney posted the chatlog shaney's post technically was 4/5 by chiyu and 1/5 by veg I think.

[R3ptile]

After all, it's a BUNNY RABBIT GAME. If you can cheat in it, good for you. If you cheat in it, good for you. Who really cares?
So what if it's a BUNNY RABBIT GAME? You simply do not make sense. You can say the same about CS, which is a TERRORIST COUNTER TERRORIST GAME. And WE care.

Now go make sense, thanks.

[[GpW]Urbs]

On a general basis I agree with Sonyk. Everything that needed to be said, was basicly said. The proper officials responded to the facts that were given out, and the people who were hurt by the actions of a few other people, now know about it. Nothing bad about that, in theory anyway.
There has been a lack of actually adressing the issues from alot of people in this discussion however, although there wasn't alot of flaming or such, but the arguments given out by alot of people, were in a way overlooked by the others. Some people were also posting gibberish and got banned. They deserve to be banned, because they actually wanted to be banned, it was honourable in a way. That didn't exactly help the defendants case a lot. Instead of a dialogue with arguments and the like, some people turned on their primal self defence mechanisms. I really dislike it that their actions are being glorified. They acted like complete f00s, to use the common online phrase. If you screwed up, the best thing to do is admit it, and try not to make a fuss about it. Cuz the longer this topic is active, the longer you're under the spotlight. I'm not good at PR(public relations) all that much, but it's logical.
If you do, however, mean to participate in this thread still, well that's not a problem, just make sure that we stay on topic. To the people that are accused, if I may add, you're giving out a wrong impression about yourselves. You're reacting like caged beasts so to speak, trying to take people down with you, and it hasn't worked. So maybe try a friendlier approach, and say that you actually do feel bad for doing it, and that you're honestly sorry.Uhm I correct myself, you did say you're sorry and everything, it's just the tone of this whole conversation that isnt right, if we add to that all the outbursts of some people... not good. The number of posts is lessening so at least we have that, cuz this is really becomming old news slowly, as it should. And I'm sure I speak for all of us, the involved and the rest, when I say, that we've pretty much already said everything that needs to be said here.

[Vegito]

I still don't get why you post such a things. We said sorry, didn't we? If you say no, I surely search the posts again. I think I said sorry for about 3 times already.
But none cares. So if they don't care that we are sorry, why still attacking us too?

Besides, until Shaney posted the chatlog shaney's post technically was 4/5 by chiyu and 1/5 by veg I think.

Not true. Technically yes, but he posted those chatlogs just for his own good. I didn't help him with it either. And go find some way to not to take sarcasm serious either. And then people say we are childish. *cough* >_>

I would just like to say something here.

A clan cheated. Okay, who cares. It happened, and now it's over. Why is anyone refusing to accept that? Oh, because of pride?

Right, because of your pride, you can't accept the fact that you got caught cheating. So now you have to go in and find a way to blame every other clan as well? That hardly seems fair.

After all, it's a BUNNY RABBIT GAME. If you can cheat in it, good for you. If you cheat in it, good for you. Who really cares? Sure, you shouldn't, and if you get caught, everyone has the right to know so-and-so did such a thing, but I really don't see why it has to become something like this.

If nobody cares to read what jumbled thoughts I have to say, at least read this. It happened. And now it's over. Accept that and move on.

Go read everything again, will you?
Its not about pride, its just about we want others to know others faults as well :-) Try reading the whole topic before you post something. And you see, people CARE about we cheated or anything. And we said sorry. Now go on with your life or something. >.>

*Its not a PA or something, its just that I think those posts were kind of useless already. The point is.. people want this topic to die out.. but they still post here, and attack CÇ, which makes me defend CÇ again.*

[Blackraptor]

Its not about pride, its just about we want others to know others faults as well :-)



Sounds like you guys were just (-) off that this was brought up and wanted to make others look bad so you wouldn't look so horrible yourself, but ok.

[n00b]

I'm sorry so you and Chiyu wrote nothing in that link posted by Shaney?
Looks like we can't trust CC.
EDIT- And if I remember right, before you said you were 'sorry'some clan members already were ranting about bad things other clans said

[Vegito]

Sounds like you guys were just (-) off that this was brought up and wanted to make others look bad so you wouldn't look so horrible yourself, but ok.

Nah, we just wanted to make sure that people didn't flame us while they did something bad by themselves (espescially VS.) And oh btw? I don't give a (-) about looking bad at jj2, you know? CÇ just wins everything which can be won. We won jj2wc2 with just DOMINATING the entire world cup :-) I can be proud of that.

...and:
"How the members like to be in the clan is way more important than whether outsiders like us or not. In other words: (-) them!"

I'm sorry so you and Chiyu wrote nothing in that link posted by Shaney?
Looks like we can't trust ÇC.
EDIT- And if I remember right, before you said you were 'sorry'some clan members already were ranting about bad things other clans said

It looks like you REALLY are a noob. >O
It wasn't Chiyu and my plan to post a new topic. Shaney did that totally without our approval. We didn't even KNOW that he would do that anyways. And like we care... :P And like I said up there...

and the trust and loyalty the members have in us, the leaders, is higher than ever.

[Stijn]

So why the heck did you make that page in the first place then?

[Vegito]

Since you are all so eager and happy with seeing the truth...

[n00b]

What does Shaney posting the link have to do with the link being written by you guys?
I said it was technically written by you and chiyu and the first words in your reply are: Not really, so I asked if that meant you guys really didnt write it(or implied that question)
Your next reply is incredibly left field.

[Vegito]

Not really, since he edited his post too add that link.. In the first place he just put those chatlogs on it. (thats what I saw.)

[Ðx]

this is kind of a big clan war ;(

[Stijn]

You want everyone to know the truth. So you write a page containing it. But you don't want anyone to see that page.

:S

[Grytolle]

Easy..The plan was just to have it in our siggys, or atleast some CCers intended to do that. However, Shaney took matters in his own hands and posted already... I didn't really pay attention. And Veg, don't flame n00b :(

[Sonyk]

Now go make sense, thanks.It's a bunny rabbit game. There's no point in caring so much about any part of it that you even bother to cheat, let alone react this much to their cheating.

[Grytolle]

It's a bunny rabbit game. There's no point in caring so much about any part of it that you even bother to cheat, let alone react this much to their cheating.However, it is the same with all other games.

[cooba]

We won jj2wc2 with just DOMINATING the entire world cup :-)However the way you dominated it is actually the reason of Yasco/Shaney/etc making topics about it.

[Grytolle]

However the way you dominated it is actually the reason of Yasco/Shaney/etc making topics about it.Sasik was the only one making a topic about jj2wc... :+

[Vegito]

Idd, and why not calling n00b a n00b? ;-P

[Sonyk]

However, it is the same with all other games.
And why should that be? Even so, why do we have to follow the path set by other games?

[Grytolle]

There are no important computergames.

[ShadowGPW]

There are no important computergames.

actually esports attached computer games (StarCraft, WarCraft, Counter-Strike) actually is in some counteries. If you are a star in those games, you are a star in their nation.

[White Rabbit]

What are esports?
;o

[n00b]

Not really, since he edited his post too add that link.. In the first place he just put those chatlogs on it. (thats what I saw.)
Wanna Know more Facts originally only had the link. He edited to add the chatlogs.

[ShadowGPW]

What are esports?
;o

Electronic Sports

[Grytolle]

actually esports attached computer games (StarCraft, WarCraft, Counter-Strike) actually is in some counteries. If you are a star in those games, you are a star in their nation. :Z<!--you suck-->Overrated games

[[GpW]Urbs]

They're not overrated. No one says u have to like em, but it's in these games that money is made. You can't exactly say they suck, cuz alot of the worlds gaming population says otherwise, but of course you don't have to like em.Sure it's a bit funny to compare jj2 tournaments to 1 million dollar tours and such, but still. There is a serious aspect to games of course, not to even mention that if people didn't find games important enough, we wouldnt be having this conversation.
Cuz the thing is, people can get just as angry online, as they do offline. So in this example alot of people are quite upset, it's only logical they take it seriously, it's not all that wrong as well I suppose, although it must look silly to 3rd party observers.
E-sports does sound funny though, but since top gamers basicly have to train daily, it's easy to find a comparison with sports. And if we look at how fast it's growing, and how much money these gamers are making(www.thecpl.com , www.ggl.com) I think it's safe to say, it will definetly become more known around the globe.
EHh a bit offtopic... just felt like saying EDIT: it..:)

[Ðx]

lalalalaa

[Unhit]

Anyway, although I doubt C<!---->C will believe us and anyone else will care, I'll hereby declare TF (or at least I) did not know about Thunder/Stiletto playing for XSD under another name.

#3. Also, that statement is kind of absurd if we consider what Reptile said. OMG J2F INFILTRATES TF, WHITE RABBIT IS VICE-LEADER THERE OMG AND WE DIDNT KNOW HES ACTUALLY FROM ANOTHER CLAN =((((


//e: now that i read through all the thread...funny one! I feel like saying something which would bring back some action to the discussion..but i think i better dont ;D

[White Rabbit]

I don't understand. :)

EDIT: I get it. ;P

Darn, I must've been inactive when he joined TF. :(

[cooba]

Can't CC&nbsp;just understand that they wouldn't win if they didn't cheat with LB like that?

[Ðx]

who knows

[FQuist]

Why wouldn't they win? Did they not beat most clans honestly, even though they didn't deserve the cup eventually because of the cheating?

[cooba]

Well I am sure that they would lose a clanwar there and there... if there was a CC&nbsp;vs [si] on SBv2, then CC&nbsp;would be just doomed, for example.

[Ðx]

how about reading this: http://www.craccoclan.com/truth.html

[White Rabbit]

Lol? :| We already did.

[cooba]

...Dx make sense please.

[n00b]

DX stop spamming, remaking the topic post, and saying a rather useless "Who knows"

[Vegito]

Well I am sure that they would lose a clanwar there and there... if there was a CC&nbsp;vs [si] on SBv2, then CC&nbsp;would be just doomed, for example.

Maybe :) If you think otherwise.. Lets do a clanwar there :-):-)
And why would we lose a clanwar there and there?
CC's poule was the other one as LB's.
So technically, we just did the same (except that we beat [Si] in the round except the semi-finals)
..And 'for example'
Make another example please :]]]

[Blackraptor]

Maybe :) If you think otherwise.. Lets do a clanwar there :-):-)
And why would we lose a clanwar there and there?
CC's poule was the other one as LB's.
So technically, we just did the same (except that we beat [Si] in the round except the semi-finals)
..And 'for example'
Make another example please :]]]


if [Si] was active and played more, we'd kick your (-) in SBv2 gg :)

[Vegito]

get R3ptile back and you have your jj2wc2 warteam again =]]

[Anakin[CC]]

cooba your posting crap (man)

[Personal attack edit. Please do not call users names. - FQuist]

[Grytolle]

Well I am sure that they would lose a clanwar there and there... if there was a CC&nbsp;vs [si] on SBv2, then CC&nbsp;would be just doomed, for example.Firstly, no... why would we?
Secondly... if you were right the only reason Sbv2 would be played was because R3ptile knew that his clan would end up second in his group (if it wasn't for LB, that is), and he also knew that the level they'd have the biggest chance was Sbv2. You can call this an unrighteous accusation, but deep inside you know I am right :)

Ohyes, and I also sort of agree with Anakin's flaming, which is probably edited out by the time I press "Submit Reply".

It's nice to see that FQuist seems to see things clearly.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Well cant argue with the fact that from what I know of the jj2wc2 warteams, and levels, C-C would most surely win anyway yes. But it is true on the other hand, the 1 fear C-C seemed to have was sbv2 and si, which was quite probable. I've seen them play there though, and can't say they don't get around ok.
Thing is, those are all big IF's, cuz [si] didn't make it to the semi's and C-C faked people, which ultimately lead to the nullification of jj2wc2, thus actually postponing the 2nd edition to january 2006. Although the way things look, it's quite probable C-C will have to fake half the clans on that tournament for it to even get started, due to the lack of active clans willing to participate...

[Grytolle]

Np, I already have 3 clans started :)

[n00b]

I can get two or three other people to be temporary members of the currently dead clan WT(b), and us be in the JJ2WC and let Craco Club(I mean Clan) pulverize us.

[Vegito]

heh..
well, we'll see that later in jj2wc3, Im afraid :O

[UNKNOWNFILE]

--CC