Gameplay Paradox

[blurredd]

Suppose you want to make a level with a bonus warp that leads to a seeker powerup and full health. This bonus warp requires a lot of coins and therefore takes a while to access. The problem comes in when a skilled player successfully attains this bonus. He's skilled enough that he can do without the powerup, and with it he can prevent others from getting it and can create a lead for himself as well.

Without limiting or excluding the powerup and carrot, how can a system be made so that this bonus benefits the weaker players more than the skilled? If someone posts a solution, try to find another one.

[Pyromanus]

triggersystem wich gives access to better or more stuff (ammo, carrot, ...) each time you die

[Xobim]

You get extra coins each time you die. But I don't know if the coins get remembered when playing online...

[Sacrush]

You get extra coins each time you die. But I don't know if the coins get remembered when playing online...

NO.

[White Rabbit]

triggersystem wich gives access to better or more stuff (ammo, carrot, ...) each time you die
Yes, I remember Shine-o-rific Land where you could spend coins for a bonus warp to get an RF power-up, and some other goodies, or you could die several times and get them for free (because of a number of different start positions, which work much the same as mulitple warp targets for the same warp).

[Hare]

Well, that kinda works. The only problem is that it is kind of like drawing names from a hat, and the skilled player still gets his name tossed in with the rest. Even though the people getting roasted more often get more chances at the bonus, it is still all random anyways and the skilled player still has a chance at getting the bonus, giving him an even greater edge than before.

What about trigger zones? Those only effect the client. Maybe a system of sucker tubes and trigger zones at the spawn points?

Like, somehow make it so each time the player spawns, it unlocks another layer of the passageway that leads to the power up. Enough deaths, and the passageway is available each time the player spawns.

[Grytolle]

I'd just camp in the bonus-area >D

[FQuist]

It would allow the skilled players to sacrifice themselves at times it does not hurt and gain the bonuses. Just let yourself die and there you go.

[blurredd]

I think most systems would be abusable to a certain degree, in particular when players figure them out. You can try to think of a system which has limited abuse in CTF.

[Birdie]

=o
*idea*
you could make a server room where the host could ajust how many times a player has to die to get bonuses but, if you do this if someone leaves they would break the system
also the host could abuse this.

[TheKax]

=o
*idea*
you could make a server room where the host could ajust how many times a player has to die to get bonuses but, if you do this if someone leaves they would break the system
also the host could abuse this.
...or you could use the trigger commands of the almighty JJ2+. The problem just is, the server would get hard work, and the might still not be very good. Indeed, this is a "gameplay paradox". But anyone could pretend lousy (oh, well, server would deny the powerups for that player. Making even more work. Work. Work all night long.) Answer: More work = More admins. But I doubt, tihs might still not work.

[Cpp]

I've always found a level filled with powerups the best way to give weaker players a chance.

[Grytolle]

And they should have quick respawn times

[EvilMike]

Lots of powerups and lots of carrots. Or fewer, but have them respawn quickly. That's the way you make a good battle level.

In CTF it's a bit different though.

[Birdie]

...or you could use the trigger commands of the almighty JJ2+. The problem just is, the server would get hard work, and the might still not be very good. Indeed, this is a "gameplay paradox". But anyone could pretend lousy (oh, well, server would deny the powerups for that player. Making even more work. Work. Work all night long.) Answer: More work = More admins. But I doubt, tihs might still not work.

AND THREE YEARS LATER, I GET A REPLY. <!--your post doesn't come off well, as it me seem unknowledgeable, while in fact, at the time jj2+ wasn't a valid solution as it didn't exist.-->

And, a solution could be that you only get the bonus if you die by a pit a certain number of times, that way it would depreciate players from killing themselves for the powerup/carrot as they'd lose roasts.

[ShadowGPW]

Every game has this, the skilled player slowly gets more and more ''awards'' for his stuff. Just peek at other DeathMatch based games like quake or unreal. At some point they have max armor, max health, Quad Damage and all weapons? Does this makes it more unfair ? No, they call this skill and map control.

[Vegito]

Lots of powerups and lots of carrots. Or fewer, but have them respawn quickly. That's the way you make a good battle level.

In CTF it's a bit different though.

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