Should we keep Orbitz banned? [Archive] - JazzJackrabbit Community Forums

Vegito

Jan 19, 2006, 07:55 AM

Keep in banned, just look at the chatlogs I posted in the other thread. He just wont stop crashing servers, I'm afraid. you'll get another wave of crashes. You can't let a 10 year old script kiddy play jj2, he ruins the fun of others by crashing servers immediatly.

Grytolle

Jan 19, 2006, 08:43 AM

I doubt Orbitz is familiar with scripting ;o

SpybunnyCC

Jan 19, 2006, 08:59 AM

give him last change if he (-)s is up then it was very stupid of him and no one will ever forgive him,

cooba

Jan 19, 2006, 09:04 AM

give him last change if he (-)s is up then it was very stupid of him and no one will ever forgive him,His last chance officially stopped at August 25th.

SpybunnyCC

Jan 19, 2006, 09:24 AM

give him his last change now, lets see how he does it,

Superjazz

Jan 19, 2006, 09:39 AM

LOL ;D

R3ptile

Jan 19, 2006, 09:54 AM

I have an idea, unban Orbitz and ban Superjazz instead.

n00b

Jan 19, 2006, 10:37 AM

Can't we just ban them both?

Trafton

Jan 19, 2006, 11:28 AM

Ignoring the flawed poll for a moment.

I spoke with Orbitz what must have been a dozen times. Each time he promised he would not do it again. Each time he did.

He's addicted. This is not enough time to get rid of that addiction.

MSB3000

Jan 19, 2006, 12:03 PM

He probably means well on the inside, but he can't control what he does...

Blackraptor

Jan 19, 2006, 12:11 PM

He probably means well on the inside, but he can't control what he does...

yeah, i'm sure all those rapists and killers out on the street are probably angels inside too, they just cant control their urges :(

Odin

Jan 19, 2006, 12:48 PM

He's addicted. This is not enough time to get rid of that addiction.

MY NAME IS ORBITZ AND I'M AN ASD-AHOLIC D=

Seriously, keep him blocked. His promises before have not been serious, and I doubt this one is different.

Grytolle

Jan 19, 2006, 01:16 PM

he is unbanned on madskills, period.

n00b

Jan 19, 2006, 01:37 PM

he is unbanned on madskills, period.
I'm glad to find out that you are able to say whos banned and unbanned in the madskills listserver.

FireSworD

Jan 19, 2006, 02:07 PM

And if we all ignored Orbitz in the first place, he would have given up.

He's probably happy knowing he caused so much trouble.

NovaStar

Jan 19, 2006, 04:39 PM

Indeed.
++FireSworD

MSB3000

Jan 19, 2006, 05:27 PM

yeah, i'm sure all those rapists and killers out on the street are probably angels inside too, they just cant control their urges :(

I'd compare him more to a guy who would break into a car at random only to crash it into the river.:(

Not as serious as raping and killing. (Although you could kill someone with the car stunt.)

Shade.

Jan 19, 2006, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by FireSworD
And if we all ignored Orbitz in the first place, he would have given up.

He's probably happy knowing he caused so much trouble.

I totaly Agree with you.

Black Ninja

Jan 19, 2006, 07:44 PM

Yes, although I *am* braindead.

Grytolle

Jan 19, 2006, 10:17 PM

I'm glad to find out that you are able to say whos banned and unbanned in the madskills listserver.Omg, actually I can't anymore. I know I was able to see it at nimmy's server before, but apparently it had either a downgrade or an upgrade, probably the former.:O

Edit: Yep. Now both the servers seem to run Epic's listserver program :O

Torkell

Jan 20, 2006, 02:17 AM

Personally, I think he should be unbanned. Not because he's changed (which seems unlikely, judging by his posts elsewhere), but because the ban was only for a limited period of time in the first place. To keep him banned I feel would be an abuse of power.

Of course, if he then continues to maliciously attack JJ2 servers and clients, then we can re-ban him.

FQuist

Jan 20, 2006, 02:46 AM

What BoggyB said. Don't change the rules after-the-fact.

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 05:06 AM

R3ptile

Jan 21, 2006, 05:43 AM

Is Orbitz back? Because I saw him today in Flea's server and he started doing crap and renaming people all the time again...

SpybunnyCC

Jan 21, 2006, 05:44 AM

Connections lost every 5 min.

R3ptile

Jan 21, 2006, 05:46 AM

Somebody (Orbitz?) keeps crashing everything...

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 05:47 AM

Yeah.
Good idea to let jj2 die like this :X
It can be Tha Spaz as well, just get the IP of the crasher.. =\

Fawriel

Jan 21, 2006, 05:49 AM

The 11 year old end of the JJ2 world?
..nah.
Don't exaggerate, Veg. I suppose there's enough evidence to block him again now.

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 05:51 AM

I just hate the ones who want him back, and have no idea what they want back.
People who dont know his "power" should shut up. -_-

SpybunnyCC

Jan 21, 2006, 05:52 AM

ban orbits again if connection errors keeps comming.

Fawriel

Jan 21, 2006, 05:56 AM

Nobody WANTS him back. ;/
There were just those who thought that perhaps he'll shut up now and those who didn't want to abuse power out of principle.. those who voted to let him play again were pretty much just defending moral values. Unless I missed someone.

SpybunnyCC

Jan 21, 2006, 05:57 AM

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9071/nimmydad6pz.png

(-) me i was stupid -_-

Grytolle

Jan 21, 2006, 06:39 AM

Uhm, Orbitz isn't connected to that picture it seems ;o

n00b

Jan 21, 2006, 07:08 AM

And if we all ignored Orbitz in the first place, he would have given up.

He's probably happy knowing he caused so much trouble.
Hey great idea, now we can all go back in time and start ignoring him!

Ragnarok!

Jan 21, 2006, 09:19 AM

I wish we did ignore him. But why not just ban the little (-)? If whoever was in charge of that thought of : I SHOULD LET LOADS OF PEOPLE LEAVE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF (PA) ADEEL AND THASPAZ (Apparently) OR SHOULD I BAN HIM AND MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY? Well one thing i have to say.. Im pretty ashamed that the servers are just acting like this.. In my opinion. If it were power abuse.. He wouldn't have done much. If it is power abuse.. Im wrong. But still, Why do we still have to put up with this? You can just ban him and not have to worry about all this rubbish about people upset?

[Personal attack edit - FQuist]

CrimiClown

Jan 21, 2006, 10:02 AM

Just keep him banned. Period. He broke the rules, he shall witness the power of punishment... >D

*claims page*

SpybunnyCC

Jan 21, 2006, 12:00 PM

if hes ban period is over, and he will crash again? he will be banned again?

Grytolle

Jan 21, 2006, 12:24 PM

It must be proven that it is him crashing, and not someone else framing him.

Torkell

Jan 21, 2006, 02:23 PM

I just hate the ones who want him back, and have no idea what they want back.
People who dont know his "power" should shut up. -_-
Do I want him back? No.
Do I think he should be banned for maliciously crashing servers? Yes.
Do I think he should stay banned beyond the original time period? No.

There are significant differences between those questions, and the intentions behind them.

Grytolle

Jan 21, 2006, 02:56 PM

What BoggyB said!

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 03:17 PM

Do I want him back? No.
Do I think he should be banned for maliciously crashing servers? Yes.
Do I think he should stay banned beyond the original time period? No.

There are significant differences between those questions, and the intentions behind them.

Do you think its useless to unban him, and then gather info again, to get to the conclusion he still crashes, and then ban him again? I do. I did it once, twice even. My principles stop me from doing it a 3th times.

Nimrod

Jan 21, 2006, 03:19 PM

If you want him banned from the network as a whole, put any evidence you have into this thread:

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=13624&page=5

The outcome of that thread will either be Orbitz banned, or lack of proof and he be free to crash as he wishes.

Grytolle

Jan 21, 2006, 03:23 PM

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 03:27 PM

lol maan gr8 princips:H :H

I dont ask for your opinion about my princips. :Z

I just dont see any reason to unban Orbitz, espescially not after the way he did to me a few days ago. (Saying he'd crash servers again and whatever till he got unbanned or something like that)

Torkell

Jan 21, 2006, 03:29 PM

Do you think its useless to unban him, and then gather info again, to get to the conclusion he still crashes, and then ban him again? I do. I did it once, twice even. My principles stop me from doing it a 3th times.
If something is agreed among all members of a certain group, do you think that individual members of that group should stick to the agreement and not change their part of it without consulting the rest of the group?

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 03:36 PM

If something is agreed among all members of a certain group, do you think that individual members of that group should stick to the agreement and not change their part of it without consulting the rest of the group?

Look at the polls result. 10 out of 35 people agree on not banning him anymore.
"Yeah, you can protect your server" - No, some people cant, newbies won't play jj2 then anymore, because they don't know that they can protect their server, so, easy target. And I, myself can't protect my own server with nimmy's tool because Norton Internet Security blocks it. I don't think I'm the only one with norton here.
There's like no way to protect jj2 from Orbitz and his gang without banning them.

FQuist

Jan 21, 2006, 03:49 PM

Vegito, if there is evidence Orbitz has crashed servers since he's been unbanned, he will be banned. If there's not, he won't. If requiring the tiniest bit of evidence before sentencing someone to a punishment seems unfair to you, I hope you will never become a judge.

If you want him banned from the network as a whole, put any evidence you have into this thread:

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=13624&page=5

The outcome of that thread will either be Orbitz banned, or lack of proof and he be free to crash as he wishes.

Shorter Nimrod: "If there's evidence someone is guilty, that's good. If there's no evidence, well, he's still guilty and he will go around doing bad things, thanks to that bad thing called 'requiring evidence."

I really hope no-one here (except a select few) will become judge.

Odin

Jan 21, 2006, 03:53 PM

Vegito, if there is evidence Orbitz has crashed servers since he's been unbanned, he will be banned. If there's not, he won't. If requiring the tiniest bit of evidence before sentencing someone to a punishment seems unfair to you, I hope you will never become a judge.

Shorter Nimrod: "If there's evidence someone is guilty, that's good. If there's no evidence, well, he's still guilty and he will go around doing bad things."

I really hope no-one here (except a select few) will become judge.

Your posts are still breaking the tables.

Either there is evidence that you are doing so, and you will be banned for that, or there isn't evidence for it and you will be banned anyway.

Or something.

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 03:54 PM

Vegito, if there is evidence Orbitz has crashed servers since he's been unbanned, he will be banned. If there's not, he won't. If requiring the tiniest bit of evidence before sentencing someone to a punishment seems unfair to you, I hope you will never become a judge.

I really hope you wont become a judge for freeing someone to early.
Look, someone who murders someone, gets caught, he goes to jail for lets say.. 10 years. He comes free, murders someone again, you know what happens then?
His punishment will be MUCH harder then the first one, much bigger. Because he cant learn. How many times do we need with Orbitz before that happens? This is the 3th time he's free already.

Edit: crap, its 3rd veg, its 3rd ;.;

FQuist

Jan 21, 2006, 03:58 PM

Vegito, Monolith has clearly stated that he'll ban Orbitz if he does anything bad again.

It's just that, to prove that, you need something called 'evidence'. Once that is provided, this guy from your misguided analogy WILL be given another sentence. Monolith has stated thus.

But for that you first need to prove the guy actually committed another crime when out of jail. The judge from your analogy wouldn't throw someone back into jail for committing another crime without actual evidence it was that person, and not some random other guy. Evidence.

Evidence evidence evidence evidence evidence. Evidence. Look up the word.

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 04:01 PM

Vegito, Monolith has clearly stated that he'll ban Orbitz if he does anything bad again.

It's just that, to prove that, you need something called 'evidence'. Once that is provided, this guy from your misguided analogy WILL be given another sentence. Monolith has stated thus.

But for that you first need to prove the guy actually committed another crime when out of jail. Evidence.

Evidence evidence evidence evidence evidence. Evidence. Look it up.

IF I give evidence, it's throwed away by some guy because it isn't "water tight"
People will always have something to say.

FQuist

Jan 21, 2006, 04:04 PM

That's another thing altogether, an argument you can make when that has actually happened. The solution to your argument isn't to just ban anyone who looks remotely like a bad guy.

Torkell

Jan 21, 2006, 04:04 PM

Look at the polls result. 10 out of 35 people agree on not banning him anymore.
I was not referring to the poll result with my post. I was in fact referring to the original agreement and public statement by the listserver council (posted by Nimrod), which stated an end date for the ban of 30th November 2005, with extensions should Orbitz continue to crash servers. Since no extensions were announced, I would consider it safe to assume the the agreement did not change. Either that, or there has been a large breakdown in communication.

"Yeah, you can protect your server" - No, some people cant, newbies won't play jj2 then anymore, because they don't know that they can protect their server, so, easy target. And I, myself can't protect my own server with nimmy's tool because Norton Internet Security blocks it. I don't think I'm the only one with norton here.
There's like no way to protect jj2 from Orbitz and his gang without banning them.
I can think of lots of ways of protecting JJ2 from Orbitz without banning him. Examples include patching the bug in JJ2 (Unknownfile is doing a great job with his bugfixing), or sending abuse reports to his ISP.

...This is the 3th time he [Orbitz] is free already.
Hang on, I thought he was only banned once?

FQuist

Jan 21, 2006, 04:08 PM

You can, besides other measures, send abuse reports to ISP for any IP that is properly shown to have committed abuse (in an amount you could decide on). You could even make a tool that documents things like these and collects all reports at some location.

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 04:22 PM

That's another thing altogether, an argument you can make when that has actually happened. The solution to your argument isn't to just ban anyone who looks remotely like a bad guy.

Who has been caught twice earlier, not so very long ago. Thats why he shouldnt have been unbanned.

I was not referring to the poll result with my post. I was in fact referring to the original agreement and public statement by the listserver council (posted by Nimrod), which stated an end date for the ban of 30th November 2005, with extensions should Orbitz continue to crash servers. Since no extensions were announced, I would consider it safe to assume the the agreement did not change. Either that, or there has been a large breakdown in communication.

He was free one day, crashed so many servers with his m8 (Tha Spaz) that he was banned again the same day.

FQuist

Jan 21, 2006, 04:26 PM

If you know for sure he's been caught, you will be able to provide evidence, and he will be banned again. If you cannot provide evidence, you can either not know for sure wether it's him, or you're gifted with supernatural abilities.

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 04:30 PM

Im talking about earlier, not now. I'm not trying to get him anymore. It's useless anyways. Evidence won't be seen as evidence, since nothing is "water tight" anymore, some people said that, at least. Good way to make people not doing a (-) anymore, I must admit. And that person/those persons knows who he is.

Anyways, I'll just stop discussing this. I think its somewhat useless

Torkell

Jan 21, 2006, 04:40 PM

He was free one day, crashed so many servers with his m8 (Tha Spaz) that he was banned again the same day.
Hmm, I must have missed that. When did that happen?

Vegito

Jan 21, 2006, 05:00 PM

The day in which I made screenshots and gathered proof that Orbitz was unbanned was at the 30th of october, 2005.

Grytolle

Jan 21, 2006, 05:32 PM

Okay, but let's go back on topic.

Falcury

Jan 23, 2006, 11:36 AM

Well, I've had Orbitz, (or somebody pretending to be Orbitz, I havent checked his IP) in my server a few days ago, and I chose to give him a chance... He did try to crash the server, but fortunately I was able to block him. He was trying to recruit people for his Hax clan or whatever it is...