More stuff JJ2 took from other games

[Blackraptor]

I've been browsing old DOS games and such recently and came across a game based on the Lion King movie. I wouldn't have posted this had there not been screenshots on the same page, but there were and when I looked at them I quickly noticed that certain jj2 tilesets look quite similar to the ones in Lion King.

As I can't post the link here cause the site has warez and stuff on it, i took the screenies and uploaded them elsewhere.

So..


http://www.hewwo.com/blacky/Lion0King1%5b1%5d.png

http://www.hewwo.com/blacky/LionKing5%5b1%5d.png

I don't know if you guys knew about this before, but I certainly didn't. Just felt like sharing.

[Radium]

I remember that game; I played the demo or something a long time ago. I remember it had really, really nice tilesets. And yeah, I'm pretty sure the JJ2 people got some (*cough*all) inspiration from it, especially the tileset shown in the latter image.

[n00b]

Wow, looks like Nick just took stuff and "jazz-ified" them.

[Blackraptor]

Wow, looks like Nick just took stuff and "jazz-ified" them.


Yeah, it does. Kinda dissapointing.

Edit: I might as well mention this here too, but I think Colonius was inspired by Captain Claw. There is a city locale in that game which looks similar enough to Colonius. Not only are the buildings similar enough to remind me of Colonius, but both of the sets have sewer systems in the city as well (though they look completely different).

[Iam Canadian]

So THAT'S why Dam Nation looked so familiar the first time I saw it! By the way, I don't have any comparison pictures, but I always thought the grass in JJ1 Diamondus looked a lot like the grass in Sonic 2's Emerald Hill Zone.

[Doubble Dutch]

Well, Jazz is a sonic clone with ripped graphics, big surprise.

[Ðx]

I played that game years ago. Still its funny ;D

[DoubleGJ]

Wow... I played this game, but I never passed the third level so I haven't seen these levels. Awesome.

[BattleSpaz]

Well, I think its not big surprise :/
Jazz 2 have lots of stuff copied from games. From Sonic. From Earthworm Jim (it maybe copied from jj2 xD). From all. Jazz 2 is kinda "game of cameos" ;)
And now I know why Lion king looked so familiar when I played it on emulator ;D

[TaZaR]

Well jj2 & 1 are a mix of some great old platform games (mario, sonic, aladdin, megaman, book of the jungle, etc.) with a Bucky O'Hare rip-off character, and on the story of the turtle vs. rabbit tale & star wars (cough... deckstar, bounty hounter, princess cough). :p But with this mix, the games turned out quiet original, with new stuffs too. :cool: I'm only feel sorry for that, they didn't used the robot riding idea from Megaman X. :rolleyes:

From Earthworm Jim (it maybe copied from jj2 xD).
I've been always tought on that why EWJ2 & JJ2 has the same weapon in the game? That weapon has a root in something and both of two games used the idea, or just one of them ripped the other?

[ThunderPX]

Robots are slow.

I remember playing that Lion King game but it always crashed after a few levels or so.

[Radium]

Edit: I might as well mention this here too, but I think Colonius was inspired by Captain Claw. There is a city locale in that game which looks similar enough to Colonius. Not only are the buildings similar enough to remind me of Colonius, but both of the sets have sewer systems in the city as well (though they look completely different).I don't think so. Claw was made around the same time as JJ2, not far enough back for the producers to copy it.

And Claw's city was way better because it had a guy with a robotic arm that shot LASERS.

[ThunderPX]

I only ever played the shareware version of Claw IIRC.

[White Rabbit]

They look very nice. :)

[Sjazz]

I played the SNES version of the Lion King. Not a great game. I beat it in like a day.

[n00b]

Thats what I like about Disney Games. They're excellent for Car trips.
I don't know how I'd beat boredom going to my grandparent's house, if I didn't have Maui Mallard.

[MSB3000]

You could explode permanent markers! -D

How fun!

[Michael]

As for the first screenshot, Crrotus is not the only place with brown soil and green grass. It might have inspired Nick, however.
As for the second, maybe Nick worked on that game too.

[n00b]

Nick's Resume does not mention the words 'disney' or 'lion king' (http://careers.awn.com/resumedisp.php3?userid=nstaddc)

[Black Ninja]

<s>OMG I THNK TEY TOOK THE GREEN BUNY OUT OF JJ1</s>

I remember that Lion King game. I have it. In my closet. For SNES. I hated it.

[DoubleGJ]

As for the first screenshot, Crrotus is not the only place with brown soil and green grass. It might have inspired Nick, however.
The resemblance is clearly greater than just colors.

[Doubble Dutch]

Early and very early diamondus:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Nevad/early.png

[Jazz looks spastic]

[Anubis]

I've played this game too. This is almost the same as jj2's carrotus ;) The second picture doesn't remind me of any jj2 tilesets hmm...

[CrimiClown]

I've played this game too. This is almost the same as jj2's carrotus ;) The second picture doesn't remind me of any jj2 tilesets hmm...
Try to FINISH the game then... =P

[R3ptile]

Try to FINISH the game then... =P
Or maybe just compare it to BBLAIR's set..

[Xobim]

Early and very early diamondus:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Nevad/early.png

[Jazz looks spastic]
Gotta say Jazz looked pretty cool back then... :)

[ThunderPX]

That first shot, I'm almost certain that's a mock-up.

[cooba]

That first shot, I'm almost certain that's a mock-up.I'm not. It could just be a very early WIP screenshot, with static sprites instead of the animations (which possibly weren't done that time), no sky gradient, and different orb sprites. Also, the Exoticus-like thin blocks have indeed been used in an old version of Diamondus (as LEVEL3.020 shows).

[Michael]

The resemblance is clearly greater than just colors.
No, I meant it's like just some muddy texture, it obviously remind of JJ2 but it's still not taken I feel.

[Blackraptor]

No, I meant it's like just some muddy texture, it obviously remind of JJ2 but it's still not taken I feel.


okay, michael, the ground, the backround cave tiles, AND the plants have been taken from that game and put into carrotus. thats more than just texture...

[n00b]

The first level of the Lion King snes game is a mix of the two screenshots. It looks pretty cool.

[Odin]

I vaugely remember playing this game. Kinda fun.

[Violet CLM]

No, they're not identical graphics. They're INSPIRED graphics BASED on those from Lion King, but REDRAWN.

[JelZe GoldRabbit]

No, they're not identical graphics. They're INSPIRED graphics BASED on those from Lion King, but REDRAWN.

Redrawn = Ripped off. :p

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

[UNKNOWNFILE]

Ripped off = Mac OS X's GUI

Mac OS X's GUI = Windows Vista's GUI

OMG this is turning into an association! ;O

[MoonBlazE]

I don't really agree to they are a rip. Those tilesets in the gameboy game are far more limited and have far less details. Just because they have the same theme and certain tiles look the same does not mean they are ripped off each other. You may find that Nick probably never played the game (considering it was released in his adult age, and I really doubt he'd be playing Lion King on a GBA).

Please consider that some of the concepts nick stole/ripped were old ones, probably ones that he liked as a child himself.

[Violet CLM]

I played that game before JJ2, and Nick has a good history of being 'inspired' by stuff.

[n00b]

Nick played the game Cool Spot, and loved the animations. Why he didn't play a game that was animated by Disney animators just for the animations is beyond me. Remember, he used to watch a lot of old MGM and Warner Bros. cartoons for inspiration. Most adults wouldn't do that

[Sun Fun Dude]

Nick played the game Cool Spot, and loved the animations. Why he didn't play a game that was animated by Disney animators just for the animations is beyond me. Remember, he used to watch a lot of old MGM and Warner Bros. cartoons for inspiration. Most adults wouldn't do that

Yes they would, that's one of the best forms of insperation for animations and just plain good entertainment. Especially since those cartoons were made FOR adults... You think those Looney Tunes gold collections packed with extras and commentaries are pumped out for the child auidience? Please...

[ScionFighter]

Sorry for disrupting the discussion, but I want to share my findings. I assume that most of you played Commander Keen (episode 5) before - there's an enemy very similliar to JJ1 Sparks. Maybe their moves are different, but the idea is similliar - floating eyeballs surrounded by electricity.

Also, in the first Rayman game there are platforms very similliar to the fruit platform from JJ2 (graphically). I'll throw some screenshots if I find/do any, 'cause I'm busy right now.

[ShadowGPW]

IF you look closely JJ1 and JJ2 is based on having a laugh to movies and games.

[Doubble Dutch]

If you look closely enough at anything its having a laugh at something.

[DoubleGJ]

The microbes are laughing at us. :(

[ShadowGPW]

(Insert random personal and offtopic attack here)

[UNKNOWNFILE]

(Insert random personal and offtopic attack here)

(Personal attack edit - Fquist)

[Blackraptor]

Oh yeah, and I just finished this game. It was alright (graphics were good considering this was 1994, although they werent the best). I hated the fact that every few seconds you get hurt in this game, and simba has VERY little health. Basically, I found myself dying pretty often, especially in the later levels where i had to resort to using health cheats.

Gameplay was really annoying in some places. For instance in the second level, on the ostrich ride sometimes when you try double jumping over stuff, you get killed spontaneously for no reason, and this happens OFTEN when jumping over high obstacles. I guess Simba breathed in some bad air particles or something.

Anyways, a lot of unfair injuries, a lot of dying, some obstacles which make you just want to cheat and skip levels, and an overload of enemies near the end (and when you die, the enemies respawn, so you have to go through legions of them again, and would probably end up running through everything and health cheating like I had to in those levels). The graphics were good, though, and the game followed the movie nicely. Some great ideas in this game, but a lot of stuff will seriously annoy you as you get further into the game, at least it did for me.

Anyways, I just felt like expressing my opinion on this game ;P.

Of course, this was the PC version of the game. I dont have the SNES version and don't intend to get it so I can't say if its different or not.

[R3ptile]

If you look closely enough at anything its having a laugh at something.
Go back to Misc. Talk dude :rolleyes:

[ThunderPX]

Go back to Misc. Talk dude :rolleyes:

Dude? XD

[JelZe GoldRabbit]

Gameplay was really annoying in some places. For instance in the second level, on the ostrich ride sometimes when you try double jumping over stuff, you get killed spontaneously for no reason, and this happens OFTEN when jumping over high obstacles. I guess Simba breathed in some bad air particles or something.

Eh... You know you can duck the higher ones, right? I never had problems with mine (well, 386 = very low framerate)...

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

[Michael]

Oh my god they used Pixels in JJ2! they copied from Unreal!!!!!

[Sonyk]

Unreal copied that from Pong.

LAWSUIT!

[Blackraptor]

Eh... You know you can duck the higher ones, right? I never had problems with mine (well, 386 = very low framerate)...

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3


Er...you can't duck the ones that REQUIRE you to double jump over them. If you do you crash and Simba dies D;

[CrimiClown]

I found something else JJ2 took from another game:




http://www.ibiblio.org/GameBytes/issue21/greviews/jazz1.gif
http://www.ownage.nl/images/content/21577.jpg




See what I mean? ;o Also:


http://www.ibiblio.org/GameBytes/issue21/greviews/jazz2.gif
http://img.barterbee.com/coverg/66/652066.jpg

[DoubleGJ]

I see no reference in the second one. ;o

[Blackraptor]

Makes me want to play jj1 again, kinda.

[CrimiClown]

I see no reference in the second one. ;o
It's red... }>

[Doubble Dutch]

Dear lord! Almost 3 whole worlds of JJ2 are ripoffs!

I'm gonna play JJ1, at least *that* didn't rip anything!

[n00b]

I'm gonna play JJ1, at least *that* didn't rip anything!
Too bad Zoonik comes in and asks you to stop thinking such lies.

[Doubble Dutch]

What?

Zool and Sonic copied I tell you!

Then they altered the timeline to make it seem that they were origional!

[niek]

Actually, JJ1 Tubelectric has tiles ripped from Sonic2. Also in general, the run & jump gameplay from Jazz1 is very related to the Sonic games. But no game developer can rip as much as Game Titan did for Jazz Jackrabbit GBA..

[Grytolle]

Isn't it hard to do somethign Jazzjackrabbit-like without taking stuff from jj1 and jj2?

[JelZe GoldRabbit]

Isn't it hard to do somethign Jazzjackrabbit-like without taking stuff from jj1 and jj2?

Well, it has to have something from those games to make it Jazz Jackrabbit...

Remember those images you'd get from selecting episodes? Some are rippoffs, like episode 4 (or 3, somehow in later versions they were switched) with Grape Ape (Purple gorrila, only the hand is shown) and Jill of the Jungle, or episode 5, based on the Terminator movies. ;)

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3

[Pako]

Remember those images you'd get from selecting episodes? Some are rippoffs, like episode 4 (or 3, somehow in later versions they were switched) with Grape Ape (Purple gorrila, only the hand is shown) and Jill of the Jungle, or episode 5, based on the Terminator movies. ;)

- JelZe GoldRabbit =:3
Well, Ballistic Bunny episode image reminded me Pokémon.

[n00b]

I fail to see how something drawn in 1993/1994 could be ripping something off that was made in 1995.

HEY EVERY1, LEIK DONKAY KONG RIPPAD OFF DK COCCONUTRY!!111!

[Doubble Dutch]

Actually, JJ1 Tubelectric has tiles ripped from Sonic2.

show plz

[Pako]

http://www.3drealms.com/cosmo/images/cosmo3.jpg
The HUD is similar to JJ1 HUD, that Cosmo (the green dude) looks a bit like Jazz, that tileset reminds me of Battleship, and...

1.) <small>Originally released March 1992.
2.) </small><small>Another hit game from the creator of Duke Nukem. (ZOMG.)</small><small>

</small>

[White Rabbit]

*lets Duke do the talking*

[n00b]

I agree with the tileset thing, but I think you're trying to hard by saying Cosmo looking like jazz is a ripoff.

[Speeza]

RANDOM ATTACK:

Im a pony

[Doubble Dutch]

You are? Well you talk enough horsesh-

The HUD is similar to JJ1 HUD,

Umm, please n00bify that sentence for me; I don't know any slang, just post a picture, its worth 1'000 words.

[Pako]

You are? Well you talk enough horsesh-



Umm, please n00bify that sentence for me; I don't know any slang, just post a picture, its worth 1'000 words.
I posted a picture, just what... that Duke appeared saying what I should not steal bandwith and well... it doesn't work. Yay.

[Stijn]

HUD = Head User Display or something = the interface in front of the actual gameplay = the score and ammo stats etc.

[Violet CLM]

The HUD is similar to JJ1 HUD,
Not particularly. Lots of games in that era had HUD bars at the bottom, and it's not like that was the only one JJ1 had.
that Cosmo (the green dude) looks a bit like Jazz,
...in that he's green?
that tileset reminds me of Battleship, and...

I don't see any real similarity between orange pipes around a metallic blue surface and ice walls. Unless you mean the yellow stuff in the bottom left of the screenshot, which is a general feature of Cosmo and not unique to that particular ice level.

[Blackraptor]

since this has been revived i'd like to point out that saying jazz jackrabbit stole stuff from cosmo is stretching it way too much.

[ThunderPX]

I still haven't seen this similarity between Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and Tubelectric.

[Sonyk]

There are tubes in StH2. There are tubes in Tubelectric. The end.

[Odin]

hey guys Wacky Wheels used a 256-color pallete like JJ2

[TaZaR]

Jazz hasn't got bubblegum as a weapon like Ryu from street fighter 2.

And also Jazz got two eyes, like Pacman.

[ThunderPX]

There are tubes in StH2. There are tubes in Tubelectric. The end.

OMG THEY HAVE TUBES. BARRING THE FACT THAT THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE...

AND THERE TOTALLY AREN'T ANY OTHER GAMES THAT DO.

Sheesh.

[n00b]

Guys, JJ2 ripped off JJ1 big time.
We should tell Epic to sue whoever made JJ2.

[TaZaR]

Yes, I've been always tought that JJ2 is a cheap-(-) rip-off of Jazz Jackrabbit by Epic Megagames. They even used the same design, for the main character, not mentoing the similarity in the games' titles. :O

[Radium]

And also Jazz got two eyes, like Pacman.Did Pacman have two? I thought he just had one and it changed sides so he could always see the player.

[Odin]

Did Pacman have two? I thought he just had one and it changed sides so he could always see the player.

http://www.superpacman.com/images/psx-pacman-world-2.jpg

two eyes you communist

[Sonyk]

Originally, he had none. He stole eyes from someone else.

Ms. Pacman was the first victim of this stealing frenzy.

[Doubble Dutch]

Indeed, and on that box, if you look carefully, one of those eyes is painted on...

[n00b]

Hate to revive a thread because I know theres people who would sic on me, regardless of the fact I have a legitimate reason to revive a thread.

The following music (http://host-a.net/Lijik/Gex1.mp3) is from Gex 1 (circa 1995). At 38 seconds, the laugh or whatever used for Devan can be heard.

[Stijn]

It's perfectly possible that both tunes just licensed the same sample. Just like one of the cheering samples from RollerCoaster Tycoon can be heard in the Mission: Impossible movie.

[Sciz CT]

Sound effects tend to be pulled from stock sources. I've heard an alarm sample in a recent episode of Doctor Who that I'm pretty sure was the same as one in an RTS from 1997. If you pay enough attention, you'll notice that some things in movies don't just sound the same because it's a similar event, but because it's actually the same sample being used.

[DoubleGJ]

...so I'll never know who voice-acted Devan. :(

[Unhit]

it was the first game i had :D 3 floppys :D it pwned! although the last scar encounter was impossible (!)

(-) i never noticed this thread before :o

[Doubble Dutch]

The Gex midi won't load for me, all I get is a stub of about 4Kb

[Pako]

Since noone actually posted the stuff of Diamondus resembling Sonic 2, I'm going to post both screenshots:
http://www.ibiblio.org/GameBytes/issue21/greviews/jazz1.gif
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3456/sonic2hilltopeb4.gif

[cooba]

Chemical Plant Zone from Sonic 2 is pretty much Tubelectric too, I think.

[BattleSpaz]

JJ Springs = Sonic springs
JJ sucker tubes = Sonic tubes from chemical plant zone
JJ idea from super fast rabbit = Sonic The Hedgehog, a super fast hedgehog
Spaz = Tails (Well... Nearly!)
Lori = Amy (...Yeah)
<s>Devan = Eggman</s>

And indeed, chemical plant zone is much like JJ tubelectric. I could list more things if I would remember them...
Hate to revive a thread because I know theres people who would sic on me, regardless of the fact I have a legitimate reason to revive a thread.

The following music is from Gex 1 (circa 1995). At 38 seconds, the laugh or whatever used for Devan can be heard.

*LOL* It indeed is d3v4n!

[n00b]

Spaz = Tails (Well... Nearly!)
Lori = Amy (...Yeah)


What the hell are you talking about. Seriously, what the hell are you talking about.

[Doubble Dutch]

I think he's trying to relate everything in Jazz 2 to sonic.

[Dew]

Oh man, hasn't anyone ever noticed this obvious little thing? I mean, there are people around who have lived in the early 90's, you should know this if you ever owned a NES.

http://emu-russia.km.ru/gdb/nes/Bucky_O'Hare_1.png
http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary's/Pictures/NESGameCovers/B/Bucky%20O'%20Hare.jpg

I've always thought of Jazz as a crossover between Bucky and Sonic. That was an amazingly difficult game, I still haven't beaten it. The TV series is also neat.

[Alex]

jazz gba anyone? :P

[n00b]

Oh man, hasn't anyone ever noticed this obvious little thing? I mean, there are people around who have lived in the early 90's, you should know this if you ever owned a NES.

[large images]

I've always thought of Jazz as a crossover between Bucky and Sonic. That was an amazingly difficult game, I still haven't beaten it. The TV series is also neat.

I thought it was common knowledge that Jazz the rabbit's early character design was slightly based of Bucky?
Jazz the game's gunplay could come from anything in particular, since Bucky on the NES was pretty much Megaman with a rabbit.
So really, while we can say the Jazz himself is based of Bucky, Jazz Jackrabbit the game could have been influenced from any number of sources, the most direct one being Sonic.


Finally, before anyone brings this up, Jazz and Bucky are in no way related. There's cannon from each series that make a family theory impossible.

[FQuist]

Bucky looking like Jazz isn't the only thing in that picture. A carrotus-like tileset, is, too.

[n00b]

Bucky looking like Jazz isn't the only thing in that picture. A carrotus-like tileset, is, too.

Carrotus was already shown to be directly based off a tileset from the Lion King game, plus it's really stretching it to call the Bucky screenshot "Carrotus-like".

Mario 3 has a level with green grass and brown soil/rocks! IT'S CARROTUS-LIKE!!!!!

[NovaStar]

Agreed.

[cooba]

And by the way, didn't Sega take "inspiration" for Ice Cap Zone from Nippius?

[DoubleGJ]

One of the zones in Sonic Advance 3 looks like Letni a bit.

[ThunderPX]

And by the way, didn't Sega take "inspiration" for Ice Cap Zone from Nippius?

No, Sonic 3 was in production before Jazz came out. Since Ice Cap Zone was included in Sonic 3 and not Sonic & Knuckles, it would've been one of the first zones put into the game. Also, the poles in Jazz 2 were probably inspired by those in Sonic & Knuckles' Mushroom Hill Zone. Since the game was released a few months after Jazz 1, they never got to consider the idea for Jazz 1.

[cooba]

No, Sonic 3 was in production before Jazz came out...so? There were screenshots of a beta version of Nippius.

[ThunderPX]

..so? There were screenshots of a beta version of Nippius.

Still, SEGA was a pretty big company back then, and Epic was a fairly unknown American company in comparison, so probably not.

[Violet CLM]

Ice Cap Zone was complete long before Jazz was even announced.

[Doubble Dutch]

You've got to admit; the storylines for Bucky O'Hare and JazzJackrabbit are awfully simalar.

Both I imagine, get annoyed at people calling them 'rabbits'

[Stijn]

They are similar to virtually every "evil mastermind plans to destory mankind/universe/something big" story :|

[NovaStar]

Or kidnap some princess or someone.

[Doubble Dutch]

Both green non-rabbit lapins, both fighting cold blooded creatures that have taken over the universe, I smell a copywright violation.

[Puffie40]

Jazz Jackrabbit is not the only game (http://dosclassics.com/duke/2other.php?PHPSESSID=6e8f7894bf2ebee7de27acd3de876 a0d) "To steal from other games" (http://dosclassics.com/duke/1other.php?PHPSESSID=6e8f7894bf2ebee7de27acd3de876 a0d)