Favorite JJ2 Resolution

[Odin]

This is for Single Player games, not MP games, since MP games basically require 640 x 480 for the huge chat strings and such.

Personally, I like 400x300. Big enough to be able to see stuff, but small enough to feel like a real platformer game.

[CrimiClown]

I just like the usual 640×480 and I usually play in 16-bit for the added layer 8 fade color. Too bad Epic didn't add any in their original levels... Pfft... <s>NOOBS!!!!!11</s>

[Neobeo]

<strike>You missed 800x600 and 1024x768.</strike> I went for 400x300x8 because its the only resolution where I get a decent speed (except 320x200 in which I can't see anything).

[Sonyk]

1280x1024, 15 bit color

Yes, I do. Nobody gets to ask how or for screenshots.

[Nimrod]

800x600, 16 bit, Windowed (I like to keep an eye on msn)

[Grytolle]

biggest windowed

[Doubble Dutch]

I like the options that allow me to perv at Devan.

[Jo Li KMC]

I was gonna joke around and say "1024 x 768," but if it's actually do-able... Heh.

I play at the highest in-game settings, myself. I think that's...what? 640 x 480 x 16?

[White Rabbit]

The highest resolution the game supports is 640x480, and I change between 16bit and 8bit depending on the level or what I'm playing. I always use 8bit for faster FPS in multiplayer, and 16bit in singleplayer, unless it looks better in 8bit, but most levels don't.

[Nimrod]

The highest resolution the game supports is 640x480

Not true, thats just the highest theres options for in the ingame menus.

[Marijn]

How can I change it outgame ? ;)

[Grytolle]

hinthint regedit

[ThunderPX]

hinthint regedit

I tried that before =P But I had no idea how to change it properly.

[jam]

I've tried for ages through the registry and got nowhere. I can change the resolution to really weird values with JazzRes (www.a167.com/jj2files/JazzRes.exe) but that still can't set it higher than 640x480 (although it helped me make my window just big enough to see the chat but unsquashed so I can position it at the top of my screen and do other things while I chat =)).. If anyone has any information on running JJ2 at a higher resolution please contact me, I've been trying for ages!

[ThunderPX]

I think Jazz2 keeps resetting the resolution to it's standard (640x480x8) when you make it higher.

[Grytolle]

JazzRes doesnt work.

[jam]

What do you mean "doesn't work"? Be more specific please- two people have already reported it as working :P

[Cpp]

800x600x16 ;-)

[Bjossi]

1280x1024, 15 bit color

Yes, I do. Nobody gets to ask how or for screenshots.

How?

[Sonyk]

Okay, you get a hint. 

If you don't see it, install Lucida Grande.

[Black Ninja]

800x600x16 ;-)

Well said.

[Birdie]

1280x1024, 15 bit color

Yes, I do. Nobody gets to ask how or for screenshots.
15 Bit, Ahh yes good ol 15 bit if you do that right in a level in the colon set the walls turn blue.
I dont know how you got to 1280x1024 unless that is just stretched.

[Stijn]

So, care about telling the mindless audience how to play at greater resolutions too?

[Jerrythabest]

could it ruin the community if people play in 'normal' resolutions? tell the secret and I'll be thankful forever:roll:

[Stijn]

Well, seemingly half of the people use non-default resolutions already, so I suppose the current situation is harming the community more than when everyone would know how to do it.

[Birdie]

We must all keep it a secret to greater resalutions! (even if we dont know :()

[Jerrythabest]

then lets force them to tell the secret by....... well, fear it}>

[Birdie]

:( We dont want to know! if we do we have to make levels completely diffrent.

[Jerrythabest]

really? I never really made a level focussed on one single resolution....

[Bjossi]

Okay, you get a hint. 

If you don't see it, install Lucida Grande.


Is it a some sort of utility for JJ2?

[Birdie]

Its a font.

[Jerrythabest]

I wonder how a font can change JJ2's resolution to 1024x768

[Marijn]

really? I never really made a level focussed on one single resolution....
Thats the fact.. No. You making your levels in a WYSIWYG-editor.
So you are using your current screensize! :)

[Jerrythabest]

lol you KNOW what I mean:Z

[Bjossi]

Its a font.

I´m too lazy for some hint games. Can´t you just tell me how? :)
But I´m also interested to know how a font can change the resolution. :/

[Black Ninja]

Changing resolutions above 640x480 is difficult. Personally, I've never gotten 1024x768 to work. However, I'm sure it's possible. I HAVE, however, played many nice long games running at 800x600. I even made a test menu edit at one point, but I can't find it sadly. Anyway, rest assured that I'll release my solution just like ID games releases their products - "when it's done."

[jam]

http://jamclx.ath.cx/resolution_hack.png
http://jamclx.ath.cx/resolution_hack_2.png

Crashes when you load a level unfortunately.

[Bjossi]

Changing resolutions above 640x480 is difficult. Personally, I've never gotten 1024x768 to work. However, I'm sure it's possible. I HAVE, however, played many nice long games running at 800x600. I even made a test menu edit at one point, but I can't find it sadly. Anyway, rest assured that I'll release my solution just like ID games releases their products - "when it's done."

I see. So you need to do some hacking to change the resolution?

[n00b]

Hello Captain Obvious, how else were you expecting to change it?
Some magical program to go BEEZIT and pop into your desktop?

[niek]

Version 1.20 of the game had the ability to go 800x600. But on my old computer it didn't work very well, the screen turned 90 grades to the left.. And about this sweet poll, I voted for 640x480x16, like most of the Jazzers here. And about the 1024x768 resolution, I haven't ever heard of it, but it's interesting.

[DanYjel]

<s>Most stupid topic. Ever.</s>

pageclaim.

[niek]

No. It's actually an intersting poll..

[R3ptile]

Looking at the results, not much...

[DanYjel]

Indeed.

[niek]

Okay okay..:rolleyes:

[Odin]

Changing resolutions above 640x480 is difficult. Personally, I've never gotten 1024x768 to work. However, I'm sure it's possible. I HAVE, however, played many nice long games running at 800x600. I even made a test menu edit at one point, but I can't find it sadly. Anyway, rest assured that I'll release my solution just like ID games releases their products - "when it's done."

Version 1.20 of the game had the ability to go 800x600. But on my old computer it didn't work very well, the screen turned 90 grades to the left.. And about this sweet poll, I voted for 640x480x16, like most of the Jazzers here. And about the 1024x768 resolution, I haven't ever heard of it, but it's interesting.

Looking at these two posts, it seems like Epic left support for 800x600 in 1.23, they just removed in-program access to it. I wonder why they took it out...

[n00b]

Actually my copy of 1.20 doesn't have support for 800x600

[Bjossi]

Hello Captain Obvious, how else were you expecting to change it?
Some magical program to go BEEZIT and pop into your desktop?

Well, that sounds pretty stupid...
But I was expecting hacking, yes. I don't know anything about hacking/scripting/whatever, so I asked. I don't see the big deal about it.

[n00b]

What I'm saying is, 99% of the time to do something in JJ2 which it normally can't do, you have to hack it.
THe othe r1% you use a program that hacks it for you.

[niek]

Actually my copy of 1.20 doesn't have support for 800x600Strange.. My one really had 800x600 support in the options menu before I updated it to 1.23, maybe it's only in the European version of the game, I'm not sure.

[cooba]

Strange.. My one really had 800x600 support in the options menu before I updated it to 1.23, maybe it's only in the European version of the game, I'm not sure.There's no division on European and American in 1.20.

[niek]

Thanks for the info. But still, it's strange..

[Black Ninja]

Strange.. My one really had 800x600 support in the options menu before I updated it to 1.23, maybe it's only in the European version of the game, I'm not sure.
I've private messaged you. Please, respond asap.

[Odin]

Actually my copy of 1.20 doesn't have support for 800x600

Hmm, odd. Hareking, do you have a copy of 1.20 with you (that is, a copy of 1.20 that's on, say, a hard drive, or a CD-ROM)? If so, reinstall it, and take a screenshot of 1.20 "supporting" 800x600.

What I'm saying is, 99% of the time to do something in JJ2 which it normally can't do, you have to hack it.
THe othe r1% you use a program that hacks it for you.

Since the general population here doesn't understand the first thing about ASM code, I'd say it's the other way around.

[n00b]

Since the general population here doesn't understand the first thing about ASM code, I'd say it's the other way around.
I meant programs as in JSD, JazzAdvantage, or PC4.

[Odin]

I meant programs as in JSD, JazzAdvantage, or PC4.

As did I. Think about it, three people made those three programs, rights? each of them has hundreds of end-users.

[n00b]

As did I. Think about it, three people made those three programs, rights? each of them has hundreds of end-users.
Ah, you're right. I'd still say a fair share of changing stuff in JJ2 requires hacking.

[Black Ninja]

So, this morning I was screwing around with JJ2 and I got high resolutions to work. Like, perfectly. Even <b>in-game!</b> So yeah, I'll probably release a patch soon if I feel like it.

[Birdie]

Good Job BN.
(If you release this patch i think there should some how be a way so that in certain levels we can specify it so you cant use higher resolution. Maybe as a server option or somthing)

[blurredd]

I'm still against a patch for higher resolutions seeing as it is a fairly big issue with the potential to change how levels are played, particularly for online games. I think there should be more discussion before anything else is done.

[Jerrythabest]

let's poll it: just ask question: patch or no patch?

I hope it's going to be released, cuz, if everyone has it theres no real cheating;)

[Sonyk]

But not everyone will have it, for instance a lot of people don't seem to know there's a downloads section on J2O. Plus, if it is released, Mac users probably won't get a fix (though, I have gotten some results, who knows) making it unfair for them, despite how small a minority they make up. I'm sure there'll be other people with similar situations as well, it's not exactly as simple as saying "here you go, if you can't use it, too bad."

[Bjossi]

So, this morning I was screwing around with JJ2 and I got high resolutions to work. Like, perfectly. Even <b>in-game!</b> So yeah, I'll probably release a patch soon if I feel like it.

Cool! :D
I hope you release a patch soon.

[ThunderPX]

I've done some more experiments, but JJ2 still changes it back to 640x480x8 every time I start the game for some reason.

[Stijn]

But not everyone will have it, for instance a lot of people don't seem to know there's a downloads section on J2O. Plus, if it is released, Mac users probably won't get a fix (though, I have gotten some results, who knows) making it unfair for them, despite how small a minority they make up. I'm sure there'll be other people with similar situations as well, it's not exactly as simple as saying "here you go, if you can't use it, too bad."
Following that logic Project Controller 4 should also be kept unreleased. Mac people can't use it, so don't release!!1

[Jerrythabest]

but PC4 doesnt really give an advantage, it's just a useful tool

[NinJazz]

640x480, No preferred color depth...

[Cpp]

Following that logic Project Controller 4 should also be kept unreleased. Mac people can't use it, so don't release!!1Controller is primarily meant to be a helpful tool used by the servers to ease the hosting. While it does allow some functionality to be used as clients, its not even nearly the number of features the server can use.

There has been a discussion on higher res jj2 in the past and from my experience people didn't like the idea. If a patch like this is released then it's only right that we make it available to everyone which may not be *that* easy to do. If it's not released then certain people will probably use/spread it anyway once its secretly made, but I guess <strike>we</strike> you won't know that for sure as long as the users keep quiet.

I wonder where Aiko is with his anti-jj2-high-res-whine spell this time. He's the one who disliked the idea most.

EDIT: Ugh BN! I'd like to talk to you on this subject.

[cooba]

I wonder where Aiko is with his anti-jj2-high-res-whine spell this time. He's the one who disliked the idea most.How did I guess...

[ThunderPX]

Jazz2 for Windows and Mac are probably similar as far as video goes, so it shouldn't be too hard to make a Mac version of the patch once there's a Windows version, should there? (I dunno, I know nothing about Macs)

[Stijn]

No, AFAIK Macs don't support DirectDraw, which is part of Microsoft's DirectX :P

[Black Ninja]

You know, I'd kind of forgotten that there was some debate on whether or not such a patch should ever be released. Before I do anything, I'm going to talk to Overlord and a few other people.

Before anyone says anything, I'd like to state for all to see that I have not and do not plan to distribute this to <b>anyone</b> at all, period.

[Birdie]

Before anyone says anything, I'd like to state for all to see that I have not and do not plan to distribute this to <b>anyone</b> at all, period.
Good.

[Sonyk]

Following that logic Project Controller 4 should also be kept unreleased. Mac people can't use it, so don't release!!1That's not what I was saying at all. It's just that some people would be unable to use it, and they might find it unfair. And if enough people side with them, it might be classified as cheating. Personally, I wouldn't care at all, but there would be some people that do, I'm sure.

And PC4 is a bad example, but let's refrain from going there.

[Torkell]

I think the issue is less "should people be able to use higher resolutions", but more "should it be easy to use higher resolutions". If someone has the knowledge and the skills to find this out themselves (without using a trainer or a magic-cheat-finder-programs (like the Action Replay system)), then full marks to them. But if the world and his dog can download and use these programs, then it spoils the fun for everyone.

Other games have suffered a lot from this - e.g. in one of the Diablo games, if you want to play online you nowadays have to use a character creator and give yourself all sorts of souped-uped items to stand any chance of surviving someone else's attack, simply because everyone else does so.

[Monolith]

To me, giving everyone a utility that lets them play at a higher resolution is comparable to giving everyone MegaWarp or something like that.

[R3ptile]

If you don't release it, it would be considered as an unfair advantage.

Besides, Boggy, JJ2 is not Diablo. I can't see how higher resolutions could ruin the game. If it changes the gameplay, sure, go for it. JJ2 is already boring and we need some challanges.

[Jerrythabest]

I think JJ2 will be so much better at a higher resolution!

[Grytolle]

Why would it Jerry?

[Marijn]

Because you can see the enemys MILES MILES away... What makes the game no fun at all! You can see secret rooms, you can see special places... You want to go to that place.. but he! Its a secret, what will motivede to use the JJfly cheat en jjnoclip cheat...

So ya.. It will be MUCH better ;)

[R3ptile]

Marijn, single player is not the problem. If you don't want to see hidden secret rooms, just use 640x480 and nothing would bother you.

[Jerrythabest]

<strike>jjnoclip</strike> jjnowall

[Birdie]

So ya.. It will be MUCH better ;)
No it wouldn't! you've provided reasons that it would be worse.

[Jerrythabest]

duh:P he just said what I said to shut me up XD

[LittleFreak]

O.o

JJ2 Single Player is so easy because you can see too much already. Multiplayer is a different matter, but I don't think it would enhance the playing experience to be able to see even further away.

[Odin]

I think that enhanced resolutions should only be given out to certain people, like me.

[R3ptile]

<s>Or me.</s>

[Marijn]

No it wouldn't! you've provided reasons that it would be worse.
That would be called sarcasm.

[Black Ninja]

Ok, here's the latest status update. I am pleased to announce that resolutions up to 1280x1024 work perfectly! It's important to note, however, that you'll need an AMAZING PC to run the game at such high resolutions.

Also, certain sprites kind of don't look as good at high resolutions. Particularly certain enemies.

I'll have screenshots up fairly soon (and possibly a website), but I'm still debating the release of this app.

[Birdie]

:\ Dont release it.
yet...

[n00b]

"Also, certain sprites kind of don't look as good at high resolutions." <-- That alone instantly turns me off the whole Hi-res craze people have accquired. Also if the sprites don't look good, how can we be sure if tilesets will look good? Will we have to make sure our tilesets are "Hi-Res Compatable"?

These potential graphical problems in a world where levels ratings can be swayed by eyecandy, can produce flawed ratings if played in a higher res where a tileset looks bad, and even in a lower res if a tileset was made speficially for a hi-res without any care to see if it looked as good in a lower res.

[White Rabbit]

n00b, you can decide that when the screenshots are here.

BN, despite the decision being yours, I think you should not keep discussion about this program on a private level. Start a poll, as suggested, and do support or go against what people are saying here. People's opinions change. I can't make my mind up about this, however. The program could certainly do a lot, and anything that happens as a result of releasing it would be more interesting than, well, the Misc. Forum, which I represent here as the community's alternative to scare you all. ;) It has been a dream, though small, for many to see JJ2 and higher resolutions combined, as if the moon would subsequently rise for the game...I won't get all poetical now (I don't know how :p)...

[n00b]

I can't test how a bunch of tilesets look in hi-res by looking at a few screenshots WR.

[Marijn]

n00b, you can decide that when the screenshots are here.

You don't have to see a screeny to have the idea that Hi-res will srew the game!

[Grytolle]

You don't have to see a screeny to have the idea that Hi-res will srew the game!Why would it? Besides, this would make splitscreen less unbearable.

[LittleFreak]

It would certainly be useful for three/four-player splitscreen games.

[R3ptile]

Seriously, people, single player is not the issue. If you don't like the high-res, you could just change the resolution back to 640x480. Multiplayer is where this all really matters, because if this utility won't be released, some people would gain an unfair advantage and therefore the game would be ruined.

[Grytolle]

Yeah, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahah


;;O

[Jerrythabest]

Start a poll, as suggested, ...By me!8D
I still like my suggestion;) tell me when you posted it!:lol:

[Marijn]

Seriously, people, single player is not the issue. If you don't like the high-res, you could just change the resolution back to 640x480. Multiplayer is where this all really matters, because if this utility won't be released, some people would gain an unfair advantage and therefore the game would be ruined.
I totaly agree, I think that the 2 player mode ( and up ) with Hi-res is much better.. Good point! But if people can see you miles before you can see them ( if you don't have the same hex/application ) then it will be unfare.

Isn't that de reason that Neobeo don't release his VCR ?

[ThunderPX]

This difference in multiplayer is the current situation because not everyone knows how to switch to higher resolutions. With a fairly decent PC you should be able to go at least 800x600, which is good enough, since the bullets don't go any further anyway.

[FQuist]

Multiplayer is where this all really matters, because if this utility won't be released, some people would gain an unfair advantage and therefore the game would be ruined.That's not really true. It doesn't matter wether this utility is released or not, people will gain an unfair advantage in both situations. However, if you release it, the unfair advantages people have will be much bigger.

1. Only people who frequent the popular sites at the time the tool is released are likely to get it. A large amount of people don't visit these sites very often.

2. From all the people who play jj2, most of their computers will be able to play 600 x 480. However, with higher resolutions, only the computers of some will be able to bear them. If you have a huge resolution like 1280 x 1024, only a certain group of people will gain the largest advantage.

This means, releasing it creates a huge inequality between people with different computer speeds. When you release it there will be an unfair advantage, moreso than if you would not release it and people don't spread/abuse it and it is kept to a select few. If it's not released, the game is "ruined" how? Because Black Ninja and some others can play another way? It's not like you can't adapt.

This difference in multiplayer is the current situation because not everyone knows how to switch to higher resolutions. With a fairly decent PC you should be able to go at least 800x600, which is good enough, since the bullets don't go any further anyway.
Another invalid argument. Bullets may not go farther but your sight goes farther, and you can adapt your strategy to the multitude of extra information you get on movements. You can dodge faster, move another way, attack people more easily, etcetera.

Regarding splitscreen, how many active forum/site frequenters actively play splitscreen? Compare with how many play online multiplayer, please.

[R3ptile]

This is why you must release this patch:
Bullets may not go farther but your sight goes farther, and you can adapt your strategy to the multitude of extra information you get on movements. You can dodge faster, move another way, attack people more easily, etcetera.

[FQuist]

Thanks for totally disregarding the rest of my argument and cherry-picking the bit out of it that suits you, R3ptile. At least try to invalidate it.

[LittleFreak]

Regarding splitscreen, how many active forum/site frequenters actively play splitscreen?

I used to battle a friend in splitscreen mode quite often, actually. I still agree with your points though.

This is why you must release this patch:
(fquist's post)


Well, this is why JazzAdvantage should be made legal and uploaded to J2O:

-it makes getting good weapons easier
-you can get shields with really long time, it's awesome!
-you can do a lot of other nasty stuff
-it totally ruins game balance

[R3ptile]

2. From all the people who play jj2, most of their computers will be able to play 600 x 480. However, with higher resolutions, only the computers of some will be able to bear them. If you have a huge resolution like 1280 x 1024, only a certain group of people will gain the largest advantage.
So those people should get a new screen that supports a higher resolution. That's how it goes these days - the better computer you have the better a game works for you.

[FQuist]

That argument doesn't work - you yourself say that with smart people finding out how to use better resolutions they get an "unfair" advantage. I could say the same about that. "So these people should get smarter" or "these people should just find out" - that's "how it goes" these days.

[n00b]

R3p's cherry pickng of Fquist's post proves something: People may want it to make their matches easier.
The Hi-res is nothing more than a crutch, and is no better than a cheating program used in that context.

[Grytolle]

That's not really true. It doesn't matter wether this utility is released or not, people will gain an unfair advantage in both situations. However, if you release it, the unfair advantages people have will be much bigger.

Advantage will be smaller as more people share it.
Regarding splitscreen, how many active forum/site frequenters actively play splitscreen? Compare with how many play online multiplayer, please.It's no like its hard to detect in memory wether splitscreen is on or not, and hence allow higher resolutiosn

[n00b]

You can online in splitscreen.
Some people may do that just to have the increased width.

[Grytolle]

it's still shared

[R3ptile]

R3p's cherry pickng of Fquist's post proves something: People may want it to make their matches easier.
The Hi-res is nothing more than a crutch, and is no better than a cheating program used in that context.
Actually, the game is way too easy for me. I want to try something new. :rolleyes:

High-res would, however, make the game more based on skill much more than strategy.

[Grytolle]

Strategy = skill

[Birdie]

=D Yes stratagy is skill.
So I want to stratagy in the game ;P

[blurredd]

For the record, there are other less controversial ways of achieving more strategy or skill orientated games in JJ2. But if you already find this game too easy, you're not likely to find an adequate challenge with any changes of gameplay.

[Monolith]

I completely agree with and support Frank's large post.

[Odin]

I thought about this for a while, and I think 640x480 is too big already for JJ2. I'm gonna start a new topic.

[Grytolle]

Stop ignoring the idea of only allwing bigger resolutions for splitscreen players! ;(

Btw, those known to have this should seriously (;p) be disallowed to participate in any sort of competitive jj2.

[Jerrythabest]

okay, you guys have got me. I'm against now. I agree with Gry btw.