A Very Cool Contest

[R3ptile]

Overview

J2MC is inviting JCS'ers to design and create the levels that will be played at J2MC Season 2 CTF 1 on 1 on July.

Rules:

Levels must be made in 1.23.
Only CTF levels will be accepted.
All level sizes and tilesets are permitted (as long as they don't have an annoying palette).
Levels must be newly created for J2MC. Any level found previously published will be disqualified.
Levels must be created by you. Modifications will not be allowed.
Maximum one sumbission per person.
J2MC reserves the right to make minor modifications to final level selections.


Tips:

We're generally looking for strategical levels, which are also not campy, very action-paced and quite balanced. BBLAIR is the perfect example.
Focus on gameplay. We want levels that are a lot of fun to play and suitable for competitive playing, not ones worthy of the Louvre (this still doesn't mean your level should look bad).
Your level doesn't have to be extremely original. It could just be very good.


Selection Process:

The first round of selection will be conducted by me.
The final round of selection will be conducted by me together with feedback from well-known players, level makers, and tourney admins.
Three levels will be chosen for use in J2MC Season 2 CTF 1 on 1.



Deadline: June 10th, 2006

* Levels should be sumbitted through this thread, MSN (reptilemt@gmail.com), ICQ (154119511) or IRC (_r3pQ[Tired]).

Good luck!

[Grytolle]

Everything would be great if it was not 1on1 =D

[R3ptile]

i find 1 on 1's the most challanging match type.

[Yasco]

I have to agree with Rep.

[Vegito]

Me too.

[The Rock-it Rabbit]

yea the 1on1 is just proving how good is that (one) not that team, its a good idea too

[R3ptile]

yea GO WORK ON YOUR SUMBISSIONS :D

[Ðx]

Count me in

[DarkSonic]

I'll be in I.. guess. So it's for 1 on 1? Then it doesn't have to be that big. I might have trouble with the deadline but I hope I'll finish a level before it.

[Birdie]

:( Why did I have to be almost finished a 2v2 map?
Might be able to make it smaller or more suited for 1v1 somehow though.

[n00b]

I'm in.

[Yasco]

I'm in too.

[CrimiClown]

I'm in! (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4181)

[R3ptile]

yes yes YES MORE ENTRIES!!

[Raven aka StL]

I'm in <s>for rather useless practice</s>

[Vegito]

As I only like doing triggers, Im out ;P

[Enigma]

Trying to be in. If I get it finished before the deadline, yay. If I don't, I'll just release it on j2o as a regular level.

[R3ptile]

As I only like doing triggers, Im out ;P
Why bother posting, then? :rolleyes:

[CrimiClown]

I'm in! (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4181)
!!! :(

[snzspeed]

Im in too. making an entry. ;]

[DanYjel]

hmm all the tournaments suck, it always eats my entire free time and it's always aborted because of some foobs. And 1on1 sucks, in addition.

[Birdie]

I'm in! (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4181)
=D I see the relation to bblair.

[Ðx]

My entry: http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4182

[Birdie]

Almost finished mine, if I can't finish somthing of a more appropriate size in time I'll just submit it.

[R3ptile]

Your level doesn't neccessarily have to be as small as Dx. Actually, I prefer a lot bigger levels.

[Sucer]

I'm in. I'll make something lol this time:D

[R3ptile]

I'll make something lol this time:D
plz don't ;|

[n00b]

And finished! (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4184)
I hope I win!!!1!

[Speeza]

Im In

[Birdie]

I prefer a lot bigger levels.
<3 So do I.

And finished! (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4184)
I hope I win!!!1!
lawl, noob. I sure hope that is a joke entry.

[DarkSonic]

I wonder if n00b ever made a serious level.. no offense though.

Anyway.. I started making a level. It will be quite big, about as big as SBv2.. I guess.

[n00b]

I wonder if n00b ever made a serious level.. no offense though.
I try to keep my serious levels in deveolpment to perfect them as much as possible before betatesting. Add this with the fact I sometimes lose intrest in certain projects for while, and there's a recipie for levels never being released.
The fact I don't like you means you personally have never seen any of my WIPs which I occasionally send around.

The most serious levels that I ever released were for the little-known ABSP pack, these levels were horrendusly rushed, but at least the Heaven level isn't complete crap.

[DarkSonic]

Well, making a level like this for a contest isn't something I call serious. Anyway, the SP levels are the only levels that were serious on J2O. The other levels were just jokes, or something. But I don't understand why you do that.. I mean, you could make a serious level for this contest instead of a level like this. I guess you'll make serious levels somewhere in the future, but if the SP levels were serious then my point was not true.. as you HAVE made serious levels.

Back to topic: I don't understand that some people have already finished their levels. Or the levels were made before the contest started, or they just rushed to make them.

[Marijn]

I agree, I did not like this "joke" because its a wast of space.. Levels like this is sure one of the thinks that leads us to the "5 pro month" limiet.

Back to the topic: I am in.

[cooba]

Levels like this is sure one of the things that leads us to the "5 pro month" limit.Not really, to be honest.

[n00b]

I agree, I did not like this "joke" because its a wast of space.
I'm sorry your computer sucks so bad that 1 kb is considered a waste of space.

And I never said this level was serious. I was answering the question "Do you ever make serious levels". Of course the entry was joke, people. Don't make me question your mental stabilty. Even r3p, the dude who's running the contest, saw this entry was a joke and treated it as such. I'm starting to get the feeling that very few level makers have a sense of humor anymore.

Finally, the "JCS User's guide to bad levels" was probably the most useful thing I've ever made for the community, and yet everyone bashed the hell out of it. Looks like I'm the only one who's tired of the same poor production cliches in single player packs.

[R3ptile]

pick a stick plz

[Birdie]

pick a stick plz
What?

[R3ptile]

This thread needs to be sticky.

[Birdie]

Oh, ok.

[minmay]

This thread needs to be sticky.

Nah, only threads made by people with less than three uppercase letters in their names can be stickied.

[Marijn]

[QUOTE=n00b]I'm sorry your computer sucks so bad that 1 kb is considered a waste of space.
[QUOTE]
Of course, but how many of this jokes are ther on j2o.

I've played the level with 4 people on a local network.. and I like the very busy action.

Back to work.

[niek]

I've played the level and I submitted a great comment for it at J2O. The only thing I like from N00B's submission is the music. I wonder where that came from..

[Sacrush]

Im creating a level.(finnally) I hope I reach the deadline though.

[Anubis]

I'm starting a lvl too, choosing a tileset will take quite long LOL.

[R3ptile]

Choose Legendary ;)

[Birdie]

Choose Legendary ;)
D= Now I have to remake my whole level?
<!--I know I don't but still =P-->

[R3ptile]

It was just a suggestion for Anubis

[n00b]

I've played the level and I submitted a great comment for it at J2O. The only thing I like from N00B's submission is the music. I wonder where that came from..
jazzsuperslam.ytmnd.com

[minmay]

Nah, "Foo Products Assault Level Competition."

The names of the people who create the threads, not the names of the threads.

[R3ptile]

you win this time :(

[cooba]

Hey Defost, how about you stop destroying every thread with yout pointless posts. No one cares if "only threads made by people with less than three uppercase letters in their names can be stickied" because it's a (-) lie. If you don't have anything to add to a discussion then stay out of it and don't be annoying. Because so far I'm wondering why didn't the staff drop you a warning yet.

[minmay]

<s>I'm wondering why the staff hasn't dropped you a warning for personal attacks.</s>

Oops, am I hurting the thread? Oo, I'm so sorry. I didn't intend for that to happen.

[Anubis]

I chose heaven :D

[R3ptile]

Defost, you better listen to Cooba's advice now and get lost.

[Grytolle]

There wasn't a single PA in Cooba's post.

[minmay]

There wasn't a single PA in Cooba's post.

Oh. Sorry, man. I had no way of knowing.

[CrimiClown]

<s>FEMALE DOG FIGHT!</s>

Okay, okay, I'll quit... ;(

<s>Defost, follow me! I know a secret hideout!</s>

[minmay]

I'm not a female D=

[CrimiClown]

I'm not a female D=
I am aware... Although I can't say the synonym for female dog here... ;(

[Sucer]

plz don't ;|

Already did. Now working on the eyecandy and some bugs.

It's not so lol, I tryed to copy other levels, but with bad succes:(

[R3ptile]

High in the Sky (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4194) by Anubis
ZAPPER McHalibut Lair (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4181) by CrimiClown
Unknown Hills (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4195) by DarkSonic
The XLM Fortress (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4182) by Ðx
Best CTF Party Good Luck (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4184) by n00b


Keep sumbitting levels, guys! http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/icons/icon14.gif
<br>

[CrimiClown]

High in the Sky (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4194) by Anubis
ZAPPER McHalibut Lair (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4181) by CrimiClown
Unknown Hills (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4195) by DarkSonic
The XLM Fortress (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4182) by Ðx
Best CTF Party Good Luck (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4184) by n00b


Keep sumbitting levels, guys! http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/icons/icon14.gif
<br>
*hypno*Review...*hypno*

[Birdie]

*hypno*Review...*hypno*
*hypno*Maybe once I finish my level*hypno*

[R3ptile]

This Is Still Not Sticky

[CrimiClown]

This Is Still Not Sticky
The power is YOURS! (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/private.php?do=newpm&u=135)

[Enigma]

Ooh, ooh, pick me, pick me! (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4203)

Hurrah, actually managed to get this finished in time.

[FireSworD]

Crap, I haven't even started on my graveyard level yet and it's nearly the deadline. R3p, would you mind if I submit mine a day or two late?

[R3ptile]

Okay.

[Birdie]

<a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4209">Xlm 7k CTF</a>
Beta tested in some JDC duels to perfection.

[Superjazz]

Atom Heart 243.5 (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4211)

I was finished earlier then I thought actually. So this confirms me being in I suppose. :P

Edit: Oh and so sorry I often tend to forget to add any kind of XLM-marks to my levels. But sure also this one is an XLM-product.

[Birdie]

I'll review it soon, when I get home.

[Sacrush]

Personal Park (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4212)

I also finished a level earlier then planned, for the first time!

Anyway this is my entry. ;-)

[R3ptile]

Atom Heart 243.5 (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4211) by Superjazz
Best CTF Party Good Luck (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4184) by n00b
Chlorophyll World (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4203) by Enigma
High in the Sky (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4194) by Anubis
Personal Park (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4212) by Sacrush
The XLM Fortress (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4182) by Ðx
Unknown Hills (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4195) by DarkSonic
Xlm 7k CTF (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4209) by Birdie
Yax' RainForest (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4202) by Yasco
ZAPPER McHalibut Lair (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4181) by CrimiClown


Keep sumbitting levels, guys! http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/icons/icon14.gif
<br>

[Birdie]

With all these entrys you might want to make it 5 accepted levels.

[Sucer]

I'll soon release my contest level in a two level CTF pack. The other level is electric castle.

[Grytolle]

Yaya!!!!! Atlast!:d

[Nielsje]

When is the deadline again?

[Birdie]

When is the deadline again?
June 10th.

[Sucer]

HERE IT IS!! IT'S FINALLY HERE http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4217

If it is possible for me to join the contest with Elcas, I'll do it. Elcas hasn't been previously published:P:P
But if not, my contest level is belgas.

[DarkSonic]

That Belgas looks like Semi.. heh. Seek PU and Bouncy PU are pretty much copied, and there is one platform that was in Semi too. Anyway, we'll see which levels will be chosen.

EDIT: LOL, everyone takes my comments so seriously.

[Grytolle]

Eclas is ideal for 1v1.

[R3ptile]

</ooo>TOO SMALL FOR 1V1 LOL

[Superjazz]

I think that the three entries rep is going to pick are FS' Graveyard(or whatever entry), Sucer's belcas and n00b's Best CTF Party Good Luck. }>

[DarkSonic]

Nah, there will be more judges.. I guess. The first post says it's not only r3p who is going to judge the levels. And if he picks Best CTF Party Good Luck it will suck because it was just a joke entry and not an entry that goes for the win.

[CrimiClown]

I think that the three entries rep is going to pick are FS' Graveyard(or whatever entry), Sucer's belcas and n00b's Best CTF Party Good Luck. }>
=(<o>

[Grytolle]

Nah, there will be more judges.. I guess. The first post says it's not only r3p who is going to judge the levels. And if he picks Best CTF Party Good Luck it will suck because it was just a joke entry and not an entry that goes for the win.What does that matter when it owns? ;D

[n00b]

And if he picks Best CTF Party Good Luck it will suck because it was just a joke entry and not an entry that goes for the win.
Au Contraire, DarkClicheSegaCharacter, Best CTF Party Good Luck follows all the guidelines in which r3p was looking for.

[Birdie]

Who will the other judges be?

[maverick]

The god [whoever he is]

[P¼ul]

<a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4228">my entry ;)</a>

[DarkSonic]

Ok.. I am not a judge or something, but I would like to say that there are great entries! And there is one more coming up. My favourites are Atom Heart 243.5, Personal Park and probably The Death Facility(I love the EC there) But the other entries weren't bad at all.

Best CTF Party Good Luck by n00b > A joke entry which is not going to win.
Chlorophyll World by Enigma > 2 +1 carrots might be a problem, but I didn't play too bad here.
High in the Sky by Anubis > Hmm, I would say it's not the best, but not bad either.
Electric Castle/Belcas by Sucer > I dunno what to think of it. It's very small, but it's loved by few people.
The XLM Fortress by Ðx > Small level with 3 PUs and not the best gameplay.
Unknown Hills by DarkSonic > Heh, my own level. Well, I like it ;p
Xlm 7k CTF by Birdie > I didn't play too well here, but it's a decent level. The level is pretty long though.
Yax' RainForest by Yasco > Might have a chance, because the level is not bad and people rated it high.
ZAPPER McHalibut Lair by CrimiClown > The biggest level of all. I dunno what to think of it, I don't think it will be one of the levels that will be chosen.

If there will be 5 levels chosen, I think FS' level, Personal Park, Atom Heart 243.5, The Death Facility and Chlorophyll World/Unknown Hills will be chosen.

[R3ptile]

Atom Heart 243.5 (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4211) by Superjazz
Best CTF Party Good Luck (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4184) by n00b
Chlorophyll World (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4203) by Enigma
Elcas returns (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4217) by Sucer
High in the Sky (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4194) by Anubis
Personal Park (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4212) by Sacrush
The Death Facility (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4228) by P4ul
The XLM Fortress (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4182) by Ðx
Unknown Hills (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4195) by DarkSonic
Xlm 7k CTF (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4209) by Birdie
Yax' RainForest (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4202) by Yasco
ZAPPER McHalibut Lair (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4181) by CrimiClown


..just to make my life easier

[n00b]

Best CTF Party Good Luck by n00b > A joke entry which is not going to win.


Au Contraire, DarkClicheSegaCharacter, Best CTF Party Good Luck follows all the guidelines in which r3p was looking for.


When someone brings up a point that is essential to counter if you don't want your views shattered, and you ignore it, your veiws are pretty much null.

[DarkSonic]

You think I care? Your level just doesn't win. Live with it. I knew you were going to answer my comment. A tournament with a level that causes a flagbug is just no. And your level is just a no too.

[n00b]

Do you think i care someone who isn't a Judge will pick who wins or not?
You're not high and mighty DarkSonic, live with it.

JDC is a tournement. BCPEGL has been played multiple times in JDC (even the opening event). I'm sorry to say, but if you don't care that your views are shattered, and won't do anything to fix it, you're not very fit to even say if battle1 can be used in a tournament

EDIT- I need you to stop acting like a bigshot. You keep claiming i've never made a "Serious level", you keep claiming my level is going lose, and you claim it's never going to be used in a tournament. So far you're wrong on 2 out of 3 counts.

[Grytolle]

That flagbug wouldnt matter since you can see your enemy anyway

[R3ptile]

You think I care? Your level just doesn't win. Live with it. I knew you were going to answer my comment. A tournament with a level that causes a flagbug is just no. And your level is just a no too.
imo his level is very yes.

[Birdie]

Arn't you supposed to be judging levels? D=

[Grytolle]

That's what we do.

[Sucer]

Belgas sucks? It idd does. Elcas rules:P I wanna make an entry with elcas, NOT belgas, belgas is close to unplayable.

[Sacrush]

I think r3p is still waiting for Fireswords level, which should be finished yesterday.

[DarkSonic]

Hmm, haven't been here for some days. Anyway, we'll see which levels will be chosen. But still, if Best CTF Party Good Luck wins I'm surprised. I could make a simple level like that too and win with it. For now, I'm only going to wait for the results and FS' level which will be the last entry.

@n00b: I 'thought' that you never made a serious level, but I wasn't right probably.

[snzspeed]

http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4231

i'm kinda late, but there it is, anyways. made in three hours ;D

[EvilMike]

I am tempted to make a submission, as I recently finished a CTF level. It is designed for 4-6 players though, and I don't think it would be a good dueling level. Should I submit it anyway?

[R3ptile]

Sure, at least try

[n00b]

I thought this contest ended 4 days ago.

[cooba]

I think it's finishing today evening. FS didn't make it in time so the deadline was extended.

[EvilMike]

Well then I'll upload it tonight.

[EvilMike]

<b><i><a href="http://www.evilmike.mynuts.org/jj2/EvilMike602.zip">magic sunshine</a></i></b>

Not uploaded to J2O yet because this is a sorta beta version. But I guarantee no major changes are going to be made. I just want to be 100% sure it's perfect before I upload. Right now I'm only 99.9% sure. I'll also mention a few things about this level. In an easy to read list. Because, formatting is the key to better understanding. I will also provide you with STRATEGY TIPS which I will hereby refer to as MIKETIPS.

* The level is intended for 4-6 players, but you can always duel here if you want. The two full NRG carrots might be a bit much, but at least they respawn slowly.

* There are lava pits in this level. If you fall in, you will warp back to your spawn point (which is also your base! Wow!!!)

* If you have the enemy flag when you fall in the lava, you will score a point for the enemy team before warping back to your own base. <b>MIKETIP:</b> Don't fall in the lava if you have the flag. But falling in without the flag is a good way to return to your base! STRATEGY!

* It is possible to RF jump from the lower carrot area, up to the higher level. <b>MIKETIP:</b> Only do this if you know how to RF jump!!

* There are four powerups. But two of them are bouncer powerups. None of them are seeker powerups.

* Freeze people (or springs) to make them fall in lava.

* The "score for the other team" system is pretty solid, however there is ONE bug which cannot be effectively solved. Occasionally, when a player joins the server, they will grab one of the flags and screw up the system. I included a failsafe, but it causes a point to be scored. Bascially this means when players join they might score a point. Obviously kind of annoying. <b>MIKETIP:</b> If this happens just cycle the level. It shouldn't be an issue for organized matches, and it will only happen at the beginning when people are joining.

* The pretty background is blocked out if you play in hardware mode.

* I don't care what you say, I am not making a version of this where the lava pits are made less evil. <s><b>MIKETIP:</b> Unless I win.</s>

[R3ptile]

It's already Thursday here and FS hasn't sumbitted his level yet. I assume the contest is over now. Results will be posted as soon as possible.

[Enigma]

<s>My level is with the first three when the levels are arranged in alphabetical order! Success!</s>

[R3ptile]

Atom Heart 243.5 (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4211) by Superjazz
Best CTF Party Good Luck (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4184) by n00b
Chlorophyll World (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4203) by Enigma
Elcas returns (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4217) by Sucer
Helldome (http://www.evilmike.mynuts.org/jj2/EvilMike602.zip) by EvilMike
High in the Sky (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4194) by Anubis
Personal Park (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4212) by Sacrush
Randomizer (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4231) by Snooze
The Death Facility (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4228) by P4ul
The XLM Fortress (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4182) by Ðx
Unknown Hills (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4195) by DarkSonic
Xlm 7k CTF (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4209) by Birdie
Yax' RainForest (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4202) by Yasco
ZAPPER McHalibut Lair (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/downloads/info.php?levelID=4181) by CrimiClown

[Sucer]

I smell jealousy... r3p....

Sttijn, thanksss for removing the off topic posts, but discussing about my bans from his tourney is not ENTIRELY off topic:)

Ya, I have no skill, kk.

[R3ptile]

Sucer, stop being silly. I asked to delete those posts. The contest has ended weeks ago, so just let this thread die in peace.

[Stijn]

I removed the posts because I deemed them off-topic. Not because r3p asked me to. He did warn me that there were a lot of useless posts in this thread, though.

And, indeed, if you have nothing on-topic to say (on-topic does not include discussing the deleted posts), please let this thread "die in peace" (which means slowly letting it sink to the bottom of the thread list).

Edit: If you really wish to continue this, try PM's.