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nakke
Aug 29, 2006, 09:40 AM
Due to public pressure (SlaYo :rolleyes:), I'm posting this so early. Well on the other hand, europe is kind of a big place and even deciding the country will probably take some time. And it's good to let people know to save money and stuff.

Next year it's time to have the first longer, vacation-like, WC/EC-like meeting for us Europeans in this community. It's pretty sure this will be happening, but where and when has only been discussed a few times (on IRC), and there hasn't really been any general consensus.

So, please suggest a country where you would like to head. It can't be the Netherlands (about every meeting thus far has been there), Finland (I, as the selfish planner want to travel somewhere) and preferably not your home country (to make it feel more like a vacation, not just a bunch of people visiting a guy who shows them his home city. Also I guess many would just suggest their home country without much thought of what you can do there etc). It should be a city where it's easy to get by train and/or plane, or plane and bus.

Please only suggest if you think you could make it financially. It's of course hard to know if you could really come, since the dates aren't decided upon and you most likely haven't planned your next summer yet.
(Bad) estimations of the total cost per person, for a 1-week stay:


Travel — ~120-180€ (For a round trip by plane, if bought months in advance and using cheapness airlines. Significantly more expensive if bought close to the day of travel, or with "normal" airlines. Naturally, the destination can also happen to be near your country and you could just take a much cheaper train trip instead. If it's necessary to take the train from near the airport, add some 50€. Bus tickets to a nearby city won't cost much.)
Hotel costs — ~110-150€ (per person for a week. A 3-person room which costs 55e-75e per night, six nights.)
Food — ~40-120€ (This hasn't really got any upper limit. I'm thinking some 40€ would probably be the minimum if we buy food from stores and possibly cook some of it too, and 120€ if somebody wants to eat semi-nicely out every day. Why would somebody do that? I don't know. (We would probably go out eating a few times anyway))
Activities — <80€ (Not really a point of estimating this, but I doubt more than 80€ per person will be needed for the fun stuffs.)


Consider this a very bad approximation, but if you know you'll have some 350€ by next summer and want to spend (much of) it on an awesome vacation, you "could make it financially". Subtract 100-150€ if you know you won't have to take the plane.

Suggestions, please! For me it doesn't really matter where or to which country, but I'd like to go to eastern central europe, since I've not been there.

Edit: I checked some plane ticket prices more, and it doesn't really seem as expensive as I had put there.

Erik
Aug 29, 2006, 10:15 AM
What about assembly?

Vegito
Aug 29, 2006, 10:45 AM
Lol, Poland, Warsaw.. :P
Maybe Budapest or sth.. It would be good if someone of the people speaks the language spoken in the country we go too. Else we can hardly communicate with the people there..
I'm planning to come so far. :-)

Stijn
Aug 29, 2006, 10:54 AM
hi

Cool, but due to several circumstances something outside of the Netherlands will be troublesome for me -- having 300 euros, for example 8[

I also disagree with preferably not your home country (to make it feel more like a vacation, not just a bunch of people visiting a guy who shows them his home city or sth.)
I went on vacation to another part of NL several times, and it never felt like showing others my home city.

CrimiClown
Aug 30, 2006, 10:38 AM
omg London! :D

Sasik
Sep 9, 2006, 09:17 AM
Maybe Prague? ;P
I think I could come if the meeting weren't again in The Netherlands (because then it could be really EU meeting and not only next NL meeting ;P).

ThunderPX
Sep 9, 2006, 09:24 AM
<s>Do Germany so I can walk there</s>

Alex
Sep 10, 2006, 01:35 AM
wont be putting down that kind of money, sorry, I'm not comming.

(25 euro's + fare there for an entertainment park last time, is okay, (but i wasnt allowed by my parents), but im not going to put down 100s of euro's. besides i dont have or am going to have 100s of euro's...)

Vegito
Sep 10, 2006, 01:47 AM
Next year it's time to have the first longer, vacation-like, WC/EC-like meeting for us Europeans in this community. It's pretty sure this will be happening, but where and when has only been discussed a few times (on IRC), and there hasn't really been any general consensus.

So, please suggest a country where you would like to head. It can't be the Netherlands (about every meeting thus far has been there), Finland (I, as the selfish planner want to travel somewhere) and preferably not your home country (to make it feel more like a vacation, not just a bunch of people visiting a guy who shows them his home city.



Sasik, this answers what you said.
It will not be in The Netherlands.. =P
So, yes, it will be a real EU meeting now ;O (Which is really nice =P)

Enigma
Sep 10, 2006, 04:43 AM
omg London! :D

Call me crazy (or better yet, don't), but I sorta like that idea. London rocks.

Though I suppose that if we're going for something situated a bit more in the middle of everyone, Germany might be better.

The SlaYeR
Sep 10, 2006, 05:07 AM
Sasik, this answers what you said.
It will not be in The Netherlands.. =P
So, yes, it will be a real EU meeting now ;O (Which is really nice =P)


Yah, because we all know that the Netherlands is not a part of Europe.

And I like the idea of London as well, we can stay there for a few days and then travel south through Sussex to the south coast.

That means, big city, nature and a tropical climate all in one vacation.
What more could we ask for?

Vegito
Sep 10, 2006, 06:08 AM
The Netherlands is no fun anymore ;( And yeah, we are not a part of Europe anymore. We are DEMOTED to.. AFRICA?
Also, London can be really nice, yes. (And we all speak the home language there.. ;p I hope.)

nakke
Oct 9, 2006, 02:20 PM
London would be neat. Atleast everybody would know the language, and there are very many things to do there.

Could more people who think about coming reply? ;O

Erik
Oct 10, 2006, 02:04 AM
Alister lives there sry

nakke
Oct 10, 2006, 04:16 AM
No he doesn't..

Any serious replies? :)

Erik
Oct 14, 2006, 06:32 AM
Oh yeah I forgot sry

DanYjel
Oct 14, 2006, 07:36 AM
London - Englishmen + Dutches + rich.

We shouldn't be forgetting that... Like half of all European players are... poles! (u know Poland is that country in Africa let's do it in Nigeria!)
In other hand, Prague is good choice. Not far from Poland, not far from (east) Germany, when we'll lie, it's not so far from Netherlands too. Plus don't forget that everything is much cheaper in Czechia and it's cool boredom here. I mean everywhere can be boredom.

Or Italy! They have cool stuff!

Yasco
Oct 14, 2006, 08:13 AM
What about Brussels? Many of us are Dutch and it's quite handy of you can speak the language of the country you'll visit...and as Holland is no possibility this time..why not Belgium?;P It's quite in the center of Europe(well , not in the center , but in the center of most countries with jj2 players).

Stijn
Oct 14, 2006, 11:05 AM
What about Brussels? Many of us are Dutch and it's quite handy of you can speak the language of the country you'll visit...and as Holland is no possibility this time..why not Belgium?;P It's quite in the center of Europe(well , not in the center , but in the center of most countries with jj2 players).
very good idea I say (seriously). Flemish is sexy (though from what I gather Brussels is mainly French :()

Newspaz
Oct 14, 2006, 11:36 AM
Indeed. If you want to go to a place in Belgium where people speak Dutch. Or actually; want to speak Dutch. Don't go to Brussels.

Yasco
Oct 14, 2006, 12:56 PM
Antwerp ,Ghent...those are nice cities too. And I'm sure that you can speak dutch in brussels.

Stijn
Oct 14, 2006, 01:16 PM
Antwerp ,Ghent...those are nice cities too. And I'm sure that you can speak dutch in brussels.
And we could see movies in Metropolis and eat an awesome pizzeria I know in Antwerp yaya

The SlaYeR
Oct 15, 2006, 03:24 AM
Brussels for the win.
They even have a COMIC BOOK museum and the atmosphere is fantastic.
Especially in the central square.

http://p.vtourist.com/1045128-The_centre_of_Brussel_the_Grote_Markt-Brussels.jpg

Ok so lets go!!!

nakke
Oct 15, 2006, 10:27 PM
Okay! Brussels is a nice city! (And I've not been to Belgium, hooray :D)
I guess more people could come too since that's pretty close to dutchieland, where everybody seems to live.

Then it's just to decide the dates (and maybe have a vote, if somebody is against Brussels) before Christmas or something, since most airlines allow you to buy tickets ~6-8 months in advance.

Alister
Oct 16, 2006, 08:13 AM
Soo... Am I allowed to suggest places in England, Wales or Northern Ireland? ;)

I was going to suggest Berlin. But Brussels sounds nice. It is the main capital of the Europes, after all, so it would be somewhat appropriate. But I reserve the right to speak French instead of Dutch.

Newspaz
Oct 16, 2006, 08:57 AM
Well. Toxic has a point here. The United Kingdom could be a very interesting location as well ;)

Hard to pick one.

FQuist
Oct 16, 2006, 09:11 AM
I don't want to sound like I wish to keep the meeting in NL because that's where I live, but I find many of these suggestions a little bit silly. I've been holding off posting since this all just seemed...odd, and it discouraged me from wishing to reply, but I can't help myself now.

To get a meeting working, it needs to be feasible, and it is useful to have people in the know that live nearby the meeting location. This is how US meetings are done. They are planned in a somewhat central place accessible to everyone, and local people help with organising, arranging hotels, etc. To suggest that the meeting should be in a place and country that nobody knows or where nobody just seems to make the idea of a meeting occurring more unlikely. Not everyone is rich either, so organising a meeting in some far-away country where nobody lives might be a cool idea, but it will only make the meeting not work.

Additionally, the thought that after having been there for one time you "know" a country and it is boring is odd. As is that organising the meeting in your home country makes it feel like showing people your home city. I've been involved in organising five meetings in the Netherlands, and I've never felt like I was showing anyone my home city. There is mor than one city in a country. Only meeting Link was sort of like it, but it still felt new to me to visit some places.

Brussels sounds at least somewhat more sane than some other suggested locations, since it's not insanely non-central and would have some likelyhood of working, unlike countries like Italy.

The SlaYeR
Oct 16, 2006, 09:27 AM
Brussels! HERE WE COME!!!

nakke
Oct 16, 2006, 09:36 AM
Now that I think of it, I was kind of silly. I just thought it'd be more like a vacation if more people travelled there from a small distance. I have never organized meetings before, but nobody else was seeming to take the initiative to suggest an EU meeting involving the whole europe, so I took a shot at it. :P

I didn't really mean it'd be in a place like Italy, which is far away from everybody, but something central in Europe that would still be something new for most.

Well. BRUSSELS.

Yasco
Oct 17, 2006, 07:32 AM
Cool :P I guess this will be my first EU Meeting ;P

Enigma
Oct 17, 2006, 08:57 AM
And there I was thinking I could be going someplace else for a change, but no, it had to be the city where I spend 9 months a year already. Blargh.

Personal feelings aside, it probably IS easier to get to than London. And there's as much to do as in any other city, though I don't particularly care for the atmosphere.

Ignore my earlier nagging though, I'll probably come anyway. And since my studying in Brussels is probably going to instill some kind of moral obligation to become sort of a tour guide (oh, bother), I can try to prepare a bit. If the meeting is held at a date I can make it that is.

ShadowGPW
Oct 18, 2006, 06:10 PM
Inside NL, i might make an appearance. Outside NL, don't count on it from my part.

Electric Ir
Nov 2, 2006, 08:32 AM
Count me out. I haven't been here for quite a long time and heh, I don't really know you guys anymore. Have fun though. Rock on.

FQuist
Nov 2, 2006, 08:41 AM
I don't know you, anymore, either! :-(

Electric Ir
Nov 2, 2006, 08:45 AM
Hahah, same good ol' random stuff.

Unhit
Nov 3, 2006, 01:28 AM
Let's meet and sing together, Cees!

Electric Ir
Nov 5, 2006, 09:30 AM
Heheh, we'll see. Depending on the location. ;-)

Stijn
Nov 5, 2006, 03:26 PM
OK DATES

AUGUST 11 OR 12

2007

BRUXELLES

<capslock>

Vegito
Nov 5, 2006, 10:31 PM
Shouldn't it be a longer meeting?
A few days might be better. =O

nakke
Nov 6, 2006, 12:12 AM
Okay, for more people than those living in Benelux (that is most of the EU jj2 guys, but still!!) to come there by flight etc. this meeting should be atleast a week long.

Stijn
Nov 6, 2006, 12:41 AM
WHAT

Well, I guess I could go home earlier a lot more easily if I can't manage to find a free week (or get bored of you all ;)), so that's fair enough. But we can take the day I suggested as starting point for that week (Aug. 11 = saturday, 12 = sunday).

Electric Ir
Nov 6, 2006, 05:02 AM
I guess Saturday is better, seeing how it is then possible to visit shops and stuff, instead of walking around in a closed Bruxelles.

Stijn
Nov 6, 2006, 05:35 AM
Then again, the first day will probably mainly consist of people arriving and, if we're indeed planning to have a multiday meeting, going to hotels etc. So I doubt much shopping would occur that day.

cooba
Nov 6, 2006, 06:25 AM
From 11 till 14, maybe? A week is certainly overkill, and one day is just uh :| for reasons nakke said.

Vegito
Nov 6, 2006, 09:41 AM
You should plan a day for people to arrive, and a day for people to leave.
Besides that.. a few days to just do things. Could be 3. (which makes the total meeting 5 days.) Some sort of "holiday meeting" is pretty nice though.
I went on holidays with fellow C<!---->Cers. You shouldn't stay together too long. You'll get annoyed from eachother. Maybe spending 5 days together is nice. (Fill those days too ofcourse. ;P) Then 2 more days for arrivals and for people to leave. (The first and the last day that is ;)) .. That would make the entire meeting 1 week. And 5 days in which we can do things together.
And Cooba, are you planning to come too? =)

cooba
Nov 6, 2006, 10:48 AM
And Cooba, are you planning to come too? =)Yeah.. there's a slight chance I might come ;o

nakke
Nov 6, 2006, 12:32 PM
I don't think a week would be overkill at all. The american meetings have been about a week long.

A week with the first and last days mostly spent for greetings, getting into a hotel and goodbyes would be ThE BeSt!! And the guys living next door (Benelux, I tell you!) could go home earlier if they got bored..... or just otherwise weren't able to be there the whole week.

Stijn
Nov 6, 2006, 12:51 PM
I honestly don't think I want to go a whole week. But a few days is fine. As nakke said, I can go home earlier.

Unhit
Nov 6, 2006, 01:06 PM
how would you be bored of me stijn (-)

Stijn
Nov 6, 2006, 01:07 PM
id make an exception fer u

Also, official EU2007 logo + slogan (make t-shirts alrdy):
<center>http://stijn.fuzic.nl/hd/eu207.PNG</center>

nakke
Nov 6, 2006, 01:08 PM
Oh yes you can [go home earlier]. >:(

Unhit
Nov 6, 2006, 01:10 PM
let's make sary make a tshirt

Stijn
Nov 6, 2006, 01:14 PM
you invite her here

Vegito
Nov 7, 2006, 05:02 AM
I don't think a week would be overkill at all. The american meetings have been about a week long.

A week with the first and last days mostly spent for greetings, getting into a hotel and goodbyes would be ThE BeSt!! And the guys living next door (Benelux, I tell you!) could go home earlier if they got bored..... or just otherwise weren't able to be there the whole week.

Excactly what I meant. ;P
I could be in for a week I think . :)

Stijn
Nov 19, 2006, 11:40 AM
Everyone seems to agree with Brussels as location. Enigma lives there, though, so other Belgian cities are an option too (Several major, interesting cities are there, such as Antwerp / Bruges / Ghent)
The current date/timespan proposed is Sunday, August 1st 2007 until August 8th.
We need to decide where we are going to stay. An hotel would be an obvious choice, but perhaps camping (tents) would be cool too. It's a more relaxed athmosphere, you don't have the problem of seperate, small rooms, it's outside, and because of global warming there's no rain. And we can play our music as loud as we want }>
We need to know who comes. The list is included at the bottom of this post.

Apart from that we need to have some sort of loosely defined schedule, but we can do that later. The things mentioned above need to be known relatively early, because we have to get bookings done et cetera. I think January 1st, 2007 is a good deadline for knowing the Date, Place and accomodation, and whether you're coming or not.

Confirmed

nakke / Niklas
Stijn

Maybe?

Frank
Alister
Enigma / Nils
Vegito / Jorie
SlaYo / Lowie
ChippieBW / Niels
Yasco / Yves
Grytoffel / Johan
Camou / Gina

(Real names included for eh, fun)

nakke
Nov 21, 2006, 01:37 PM
y


I think camping would certainly be cool.. but only if there's one bigger tent to hang out in (if it rains outside). Also we pretty sure wouldn't have interweb access if we went camping in tents. Other than that, it'd be fun, if people have enough tents to bring with them, or there's a place to rent them fer cheap near.
It's outside where all the supercool stuff supposedly happens, so where we sleep wouldn't matter that much.

Stijn
Nov 21, 2006, 01:42 PM
No internet access is a good thing, imho... It only distracts from the social stuff. Without internet it'd be like web 2.0, but offline!

Camou
Nov 24, 2006, 07:44 AM
I'll try to see if I can come :) With money and my parents and stuff...

Stijn
Nov 24, 2006, 07:46 AM
Would be cool, added you to the list.

We need more females ;) Balance is a good thing.

cooba
Nov 24, 2006, 09:23 AM
Count me out

Stijn
Nov 24, 2006, 09:33 AM
How come?

Vegito
Nov 25, 2006, 03:42 AM
The current date/timespan proposed is Sunday, August 1st 2007 until August 8th.




Hmm.. I'll be back at the 5th of August from my own vacation ;(
so .. I wouldn't be able to come if this meeting is held from the 1st till the 8th of August.

nakke
Nov 25, 2006, 04:02 AM
Don't worry, those are anything but final dates.

Vegito
Nov 25, 2006, 06:22 AM
Alright.
As long as the dates are fine with me.. I'll be in for sure x) ..

Camou
Dec 21, 2006, 01:37 PM
Sorry, can't come :(

The SlaYeR
Jan 2, 2007, 10:56 PM
I had a post here about how I was going to attend the EC meeting, but tickets cost a thousand euro's.
HELLO EUROPE.

nakke
Jan 3, 2007, 03:47 AM
You couldn't come to the EU one too if they don't overlap (and it's not like the next week :D)? It'll be quite close to you, and if we go camping it wouldn't have much extra costs ;O

It'd be like.. DOUBLE THE EXCITEMENT! DOUBLE THE ACTION!

CrimiClown
Jan 5, 2007, 03:10 AM
I might come, if I manage to get a fair sum of money by then... I figure it'd cost me around €250-€300, living in the northern Netherlands...

Vegito
Jan 5, 2007, 03:44 AM
hmm.. I am still not sure about what date the holidays will start and end ;o
If the vacation starts at the 1st of August.. I cant come. If the vacation starts at the 8th of August.. I can come ;P

nakke
Jan 18, 2007, 01:03 PM
I'm betting we should maybe do something about this meeting!!1

I'll do some sort of questionnaire (HEY, THEY COPIED US FIRST) thread in the coming days.
~~KEEP YER EYES OPEN~~

Stijn
Jan 18, 2007, 06:13 PM
nakke how about yoiu reply to eu2006 thread insetd