Tonight 8D became the second clan ever to beat CC!

[Grytolle]

Yes, indeed. This night we finished one of the hardest-to-arrange clanwars ever! Some month ago Yasco and I tried arranging it, and we ended up playing the night immediatly after. We agreed on some kind of three-round CTF clanwar on semi, distopia and jungle's edge. Somehow 8<!-- -->D managed to win 5-1 on semi that time - and you might think that was the end of it, but no.

Before we move onto why that wasn't the end of it, let me expose you to my personal comments on the semi-round: First of all, we tried to have to have Saphir host the round, but that was so laggy that we moved to Jerry's (?) server, where we played it. As I remember it the game was very even, but 8<!-- -->D had better timing/luck with both lag and scoring, which made them quickly get a 3-0 or 4-0 lead, then we managed to get back at them, and I could really feel that we would win in the end after the 4-1 score I managed to make. However, there was a nice 3hk and the game was over. Eventhough I think we should have managed to get a few more scores, or even win, I do think 8<!-- -->D no doubt deserved to win this round.

The important lesson to learn from this clanwar is that Grytolle and Yasco (suck) when it comes to arranging clanwars. Apparently noone really knew how the game was to be played. 8<!-- -->D thought the semi round was a round like any other, while C<!-- -->C thought it was a "just in case round" (meaning it would count only if the other rounds resulted in a tie), chatlogs from Grytolle's and Yasco's negotiations couldn't really prove anyone right - and thus the clanwar was put to rest for a while, with (no matter how one looked at the situation) two rounds remaining to play.

So, tonight the time came to play the remaining two rounds. There was problems getting a host, and somehow Squirrel was elected to host round 1 for the day (Jungle's Edge). I won't say much about this, but it was a lagfest for Chiyu, Vegito and Sucer, and it ended 5-1 for 8<!-- -->D (my teammates was too lagged to ever be able to kill when I was ready to score). To our great surprise 8<!-- -->D showed proof of great chivalry by offering to play the round over again on a new host. (I can not enough express my admiration for Sucer, Superjazz and Yasco on this matter.) We tried R3p's server but as we didn't want the same thing to happen again (or even worse 8<!-- -->D losing by lag after such a wonderful act), we decided that the server wasn't good enough after we tested it by playing friendly for three minutes or so. We then tried Sasik's server, and everyone agreed that it was good enough.

We got, ready, started, everything went as it should and C<!-- -->C quickly had 3-0. I had the feeling we were in total control of the game the entire time, and we were close to getting 4-0 serveral times. The game never really turned to 8<!-- -->D's favour but somehow they managed to squeeze in a weird score every now and then without C<!-- -->C really knowing how it went. So, before we knew it the score was 3-3, then finally we managed to score our 4th score and I could feel that victory was near. But not! 8<!-- -->D nicely scored 4-4, and then they got a score that all player admitted was "lol timing/luck", but the game was over. GG 8<!-- -->D had won that round with 5-4.

Next up was Distopia, where Sasik kept hosting. C<!-- -->C ran 8<!-- -->D over 5-0 in no time, to keep a short story short. Afterwards I blurted out: "|THIS CLANWAR WAS THE BEST LOSS OF MY LIFE!".

Counting controversy
There was never really an agreement made on how to count, however 5 players (Vegito, Grytolle, and the 8<!-- -->Ders) agree that this is the right way to summarize the score:
Round I (Jungle's Edge) - C<!-- -->C [4:5] 8<!-- -->D, making the total score 0-1
Round II (Distopia) - C<!-- -->C [5:0] 8<!-- -->D, making the total score 1-1
Tiebreaker (Semi) - C<!-- -->C [1:5] 8<!-- -->D, making the final score totale 1-2

Chiyu, however didn't want to make any compromise on how to count the total score, but sticked with what he thought from the beginning:
Round I (Jungle's Edge) - C<!-- -->C [4:5] 8<!-- -->D
Round II (Distopia) - C<!-- -->C [5:0] 8<!-- -->D, making the total score 9-5
Tiebreaker (Semi) - Not used for counting

As you might be able to see, the total score could also be counted as 10-10, making the game a tie! :rolleyes:

In any case, I (and most with me) think it should be counted as a win for 8<!-- -->D, however those aspects should be taken into consideration so you get a fair idea of how close of a clanwar this was (Last encounter 8<!-- -->D lost bigtime, so know that they've indeed improved 8D).

Lineups
Semi - Sucer, Vivando and Yasco vs. Chiyu, Grytolle and Vegito
Jungle's Edge - Sucer, Vivando and Yasco vs. Chiyu, Grytolle and Vegito
Distopia - Sucer, Vivando and Squirrel vs. Chiyu, Grytolle and Vegito

Lastly
It sucks badly that I don't have any screenshots to show you from the clanwar - but if anyone playing finds any, share them here! :D

That said remains only to congratulate 8<!-- -->D on a good win, and C<!-- -->C on a good loss (yes, this proves that such a thing does exist)! Personally, I wan't a rematch as soon as possible, but I don't think both my current teammates are up for the task, so it might take a while to have something to challenge 8<!-- -->D with.

Thanks for some of the greatest jj2 games of my life, friends! <3<3<3

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[Sasik]

Congratz 8th Dimension. =)

<s>However the topic isn't totally correct but k, gg.</s>

[snzspeed]

(previous quotation)

and (-) yeah, <3 + grats to 8D

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[Nielsje]

Nice result! It's good to see that two of the biggest clans in the scene can play a good an civil clanwar and that both sides in the end can agree that it was a good match.
Nice job, 8<i></i>D, I'm proud of you guys! :)

[Erik]

gg<tag>

[Vegito]

My comments:

@ Semi. C<!---->C didn't really train before the clanwar in Semi. Not as a team, I didn't train myself at all really. Thats how we got 4-0 behind really fast, after that our teamplay started to become better and better. 4-1 was scored, and then what Gry said. 3hk GG.

@ JE. Bah, this round was nice ;p close game. We didn't have much luck unfortunatly. Thats how we kinda gave this game out of hands. It was fun to play though.

@ Dist: N/C G.G in 10 minutes if it wasn't less.

[DarkSonic]

GG. I hosted the Semi round, btw. It seems that Distopia is C-C's level, because they beat 8D there with ease. But congratulations to 8D!

[Yasco]

We didn't take the Dist round too serious, I think that's why we lost that hard in there.

[Vegito]

We didn't take the Dist round too serious, I think that's why we lost that hard in there.


LIES!

oh well, rematch will be ours probably >O

Edit:
Clan .. rivalry is kinda funny. At least there's something to fight about.. Who is the best clan in a bunny game? ;D xD

[Stijn]

Kind of childish that Chiyu sticks to whatever scoring system benefits C<!---->C more. Regardless of that, good to see that there's some serious clan activity again. Your report is pleasant to read too :)

[Vegito]

I think you should talk to both sides before making up your opinion though ;O

[Stijn]

...This report is from the "C<!---->C side", isn't it?

[R3ptile]

Tiebreaker (Semi) - C<!-- -->C [1:5] 8<!-- -->D

Semi - Sucer, Vivando and Yasco
Haha, thinking Skull and I defeated this team with Anubis yesterday.

8D rocks.

[Grytolle]

...This report is from the "C<!---->C side", isn't it?
No, this report is from my personal angel.

[Superjazz]

Haha, thinking Skull and I defeated this team with Anubis yesterday.

8D rocks.

Uh, well we aren't the best semi-team, unlike you claimed so...what's so special there, while it's only your opinion?

Also, a more unimportant thing was, that you played as host in that match.

[ShadowGPW]

3rd clan...

[Chiyu]

Exactly Veg.
I never agreed on switching to the other counting system (by rounds) in the first place, and I already said that before the matches took place. I couldn't have known that we would lose the JE round. Gry, although he doesn't agree with my point, can verify this. So Stijn, don't jump to conclusions too hastily.

And no, this is not the official CC-statement. The issue will be solved through democracy and at the moment we are voting about what the best thing is to do considering the clanwar :).

[Hitch]

GG 8D and CC. Im glad we finally got this war off are chests. Nice going 8D, you deserver it;)

[Hitch]

Good game 8D and CC. Im glad we finally got this war off are chests. Nice going 8D, you deserver it;)

[Hitch]

Bah, my mistake

[Sucer]

Uh, well we aren't the best semi-team, unlike you claimed so...what's so special there, while it's only your opinion?

R3p hosted. R3p, skull, Anubis vs. Me, Sj, YAx.
It was a 4-4 situation. We had had many 3hk's, I had many airs. Skull pwned a lot. Then the last score was so that I was R3, standing on the base. Then when yax died I think I got flag and dropped down, but I HAD A CTO And didn't get flag. I think there was another similar score...
Anyway I guess we are quite good in semi, but sometimes things just don't work out.

Like things don't always work out for the CrC either.

Semi round:

I did't have much lag. We begun by scoring one point, but Gry had a CTO so we did -1. The CrC had some timing problems and we got quickly a 4-0 score. Then the CrC started playing more carefully or something. Somehow my strategy of prophylaxis failed and Gry got to RTS3 with Seek and bouncy PU at least and he is very good at it so they got one score. However we were good also and I don't know how the last score happened (was it a 3hk?) but it did and we won.

Je round:

This was the round that could set the victory for us. Me and SJ had beaten the CrC's many times in distopia (in their hosts even) and we were very confident in it. Of course we wanted to try in JE as well as possible, but we didn't expect to win.

The game itself was very intense. Our timing sucked at first and we didn't go RTS enough. The CrC seemed to always be RTS and always have a seek PU to RTS with. After 3-0 situation I started getting seek PU a lot and suddendly the cards flipped over. Yax and SJ ruled (in my opinion) and we got the game to 3-2.

Then, we made one score to 3-3, but we all went somewhere to get a PU or C and didn't get the flag so the CrC rushed a 4-3 score. However we were controlling the level at that time and it wasn't long until we put the scores to 4-4. The CrC team started playing very well at 4-4 and it was quite long in this situation.
The last score was a fluke. I shot my last RF somewhere and it hit Chiyu who died. Then at base SJ used his luck and scored 5-4 victory for us.

Distopia round:

I was so happy for the win I didn't care what happens here. The CrC said they would do this round for the CrC glory and maybe we were a bit too gentle at them.
In this level the CrC RTS'er again ALWAYS had the Seek PU and it was quite hard to go R, because I didn't have any concentration left. It was quite a fast 5-0 win for them which was actualyl quite surprising to me.
Anyway I was happy that the CrC won distopia, because they had some problems with each other and a cool victory on one round rose their feelings a lot.

@Chiyu Even if all the CrC would now say that it was about counting rounds, the CrC player who arranged this cw by your permission told us the terms, according to which we played. You can't change them after a cw just because other terms would suit you better.

[Grytolle]

For the record I scored atleast one, maybe two of the distopia scores without any powerups.

[R3ptile]

all your scores were caused from Anubis' deaths, SJ and Sucer. therefore result didn't reflect the game too much.

[Sucer]

all your scores were caused from Anubis' deaths, SJ and Sucer. therefore result didn't reflect the game too much.

I guess it's quite easy to DD in your own server. It ain't very hard to DD in a 20ms ping server either when the guys who try to kill you have around 200ms.
Nevertheless you played well and the lag wasn't so terrible. Just don't put too much pressure on one single game.

@Gry
In distopia when I was R there soom came someone with a seek PU. I never saw anyone RTS without one. I was the one to have flag and die when you scored then?

[[GpW]Urbs]

congratz 8d, especially to you viv. I hear ur like in top form and stuff.

[Chiyu]

After some discussions and a vote, CC' published it's official point of view, for those it concerns. You will see that the situation is not as easy as it may seem. It's at the CC' site, for those who are interested.

All I can say here is that I'm very proud on this amazing 9-5 victory for CC, and would like to congratulate 8'D; they did really well.

[cooba]

Hahahah.

So predictable.

[Sasik]

Haha, you are funny, Chiyu =DD
I don't care who won the cw, but from my side it's clear and you should stop making idiot of yourself. Accept the lose and play rematch (maybe). Just stop making everything to not admit that you lost a clanwar, even if it makes you feel better or sth ...
I still remember Yasco asking CC's team if the last round is only for honour and you replying 'yes' : P

I lol'ed.

<s>Although I knew that this will end in this way, as always.</s>

[R3ptile]

I guess it's quite easy to DD in your own server. It ain't very hard to DD in a 20ms ping server either when the guys who try to kill you have around 200ms.
there is no much difference between a latency of 0 to 200, really (it's the packet loss that really matters).

[Yasco]

Ahhh Chiyu , just live in your own world and tell urself that you won. I hope the rest understands that 8D is the real winner of this clanwar. And yes , it is really predictable that you do this.

[Superjazz]

The possibility for a tie in scores is tiny indeed, so the semi-round proved to be more useless than it first looked like. While you played that one 'softly', knewing it would be a 'KeesTheCaSe'-round, although in begin we had the idea it was like any normal first round.

Now we played Distopia, just as well softly because we had the idea the score in there wouldn't affect to the outcome, because of the semi-round. We even changed our line-up.

...and we even gave you a rematch for the JE-round, where the score was way less close originally, but you just claim it as a nearly deja vu-victory.

[Torkell]

there is no much difference between a latency of 0 to 200, really (it's the packet loss that really matters).
Hah. Ever tried sniping in UT with a sizable ping? People can move quite far in 1/5th of a second.

[Nielsje]

Truly pathetic, and indeed predictable.
First C<b></b>C opens up a new topic to give congratulations to 8<b></b>D, now their "official statement" suddenly says that their own clan has won the match?
Ridiculous... if C<b></b>C had put just A LITTLE thought in this problem they would have seen that keeping the war as a loss would've caused the clan less damage than it has now. In short that's what C<b></b>C is at the moment: a clan with only green results on the clanwar page, but with the lowest credibility a clan could ever get.

[Yasco]

Couldnt say it better(although I'm not blaming the clan itself but only (a) certain member(s) )

[[GpW]Urbs]

thing is, gry opened the topic
pic because he feels differently, or at least did. he aknowledged the scoring system where 1 game was 1 point in which case the result is 2-1. I think C-C has a formidable record and should just let it rest and train for the rematch. Come on guys u have half the active players of the community, don't tell me you can't win the rematch. Hell you have the potential to train like 6 squads on gazillion different levels 24/7. But this time i gues you lost. Strength and honor guys, not just strength.

[FQuist]

I don't have much of an opinion about scoring or honour or anything, but would like to note that this is just a clanwar. It sounds useless to make too much of a fuss about it or put things at stake, for whatever side. It says little about people's honour, or genuine qualities. Losing a clanwar matters little in the end, as does winning.

[cooba]

Losing a clanwar matters little in the endOwning a large community website matters little in the end.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Ya and fquist never said it did. But you have to understand fquist, that just as you like to keep jcf clean of garbage posts, and try to keep some firm rules about the place(although after all it is just a forum, why bother right??), so the part of the community that plays jj2 actively and competes, likes to have a clean bill. People like to know how things stand after a clanwar. And it's hard losing em, I know that personally. And i'm not some plonker who plays games for his life and I never have. But nevertheless you have to see that to the people involved this is important. How important something is, is relative from the standpoint. Sure to every1 else this squabling is funny, but not for those involved. And as long as it is civilized, they(us) might as well do it, after all thats also one of the reasons we have these forums. It's not like the roman forum wasn't used for very much the same purpose now wasn't it?
And as you can see, a lot of people refrained from saying certain things, which can tell you quite a lot. Obviously, some people have to a certain extent learned how to control their temper. it aslo goes to show u run good forums here, because the rules arfe clear and people usually don't break em, and some other stuff prolly.


Ohh and chiyu, how did your clan come to the conclusion u won again? some council meeting, or did you put a poll on c-c msg board saying who won?:) (j/k about the last one m8)

[Ragnarok!]

Cool... That's all I've got to say. ;/ When was this again? >_<

[Yasco]

Yesterday...and like a month ago.

[Raven aka StL]

1-5
4-5
5-0
=
10-10, there's no winner...

[Yasco]

(-)...that's YOUR way of counting.

[[GpW]Urbs]

uhm dudes, if you play via counting points from each round, then why play 3? cuz with that system the third is only a if the first 2 dont produce a winner...

[Yasco]

That's what the third round was for , Urbs. :P

[Grytolle]

Let me explain why Chiyu thought otherwise about how to count the scores. There was indeed an agreement about semi being just in case (this can be proven by chatlogs), however there seemed to be some kind of silent understanding that it would be a "real" round when the game begun, there was never a verbal such agreement, however.

Afterwards it turned out that Chiyu thought it was just in case, and the fact that he didn't seem to care too much during the loss of the semi-round makes me believe that to be true.

Obviously, this lead to a conflict afterwards, and the CW was put to rest. Later on Yasco and I tried to solve things and I proposed the round based scoring a solution. Chiyu never agreed on this though. Somehow, Yasco and I managed to schedule the remaining rounds, and then we still didn't agree on a scoring solution.

The night of the clanwar, we tried to make last minute agreements, and Chiyu wasn't in the conversation, so I made that deal with 8<!-- -->D, since Chiyu didn't have any better idea that 8<!-- -->D could accept (it is true though, that Chiyu never approved of what I did). In any case, this ends up with one question:

Which weighs the most - the descision made by me (who was given the task of arranging the clanwar by Chiyu) or the fact that Chiyu didn't approve, as CC's leader.

The descision to present it as a win was made within the ECC-council, which consists in the Leader, CoLeaders, Division- and GameLeaders of all CC's divisions. I don't wanna give my opinion on this proceeding, but atleast you know how it was taken now.

[Raven aka StL]

The scores matter, not the winners of rounds, duh.
As long as the losing team CAN match the winning team's score in the third round. It will be played.

That is extremely easy to understand and abide logic that you should have from the very start followed.
If not, it'd seem as if you're following the way of thinking that suits your clan the best. -_-
But if you do think this way then accept my deepest apologies.

[Yasco]

Grytolle told me that he was in charge of the clanwar and that he told us that we'd use the round based system. So I don't really see what Chiyu has to do with this. Also , In the logs I read I can read that Chiyu didn't really refuse to use this kind of round bases system....

[Chiyu]

Thanks for clarifying that Gry. Let me reply to Yasco's post now.

In CC's organisation, Leaders and CoLeaders can always outrank DivisionLeaders and GameLeaders (as is probably the case in most clans). In other words, the Leader & CoLeader can veto a DivisionLeader's or GameLeader's decision.

And as Gry (who you do believe) says, I didrefuse several times. These logs are from the 25th of December:

[22:34:06] Johan // Grt: Ill aim for the compromise
[22:34:15] Johan // Grt: this round is real and we will get round
based scoring
[22:34:20] Tom // Chiyu: no way :S

and a while later:

[22:36:44] Johan // Grt: well
[22:36:50] Johan // Grt: I siad round based scoring as the deal
[22:36:50] Tom // Chiyu: I refuse

and later again:

[22:39:43] Johan // Grt: Well, as I tell you
[22:39:46] Johan // Grt: we have 2 options
[22:39:52] Tom // Chiyu: we haven't got any options at all
[22:40:06] Tom // Chiyu: we just stick to the normal procedure and
dont make any compromises with (-) yasco >_>
[22:40:26] Johan // Grt: 1) let them count this round as real, with
summed scoring (BAD)
2) let them coutn this round as real, with round bases
scoring (drastically increasing our winning chances)
[22:40:37] Tom // Chiyu: why would you want to change to round based
scoring?
[22:40:42] Tom // Chiyu: it's better if we take normal scoring
[22:40:56] Tom // Chiyu: less risky

I even asked Gry if he could pass that on to 8'D and just let them blame me instead of him (=Gry) for the fact that CC' will not accept round based scoring, but Yasco's reaction implies that he was unaware of this.

So whether people agree with me that it should be counted by scores or not, there is one point that cannot be questioned: I have been consistent from the beginning till the end and have never agreed on round based scoring, not before the clanwar, not after. So the claim made by *some* people that I (or CC) changed it's mind after the clanwar in order to turn a defeat into a victory is completely false.

[Grytolle]

The scores matter, not the winners of rounds, duh.
As long as the losing team CAN match the winning team's score in the third round. It will be played.

That is extremely easy to understand and abide logic that you should have from the very start followed.
If not, it'd seem as if you're following the way of thinking that suits your clan the best. -_-
But if you do think this way then accept my deepest apologies.No, Wallace. Nature did not get created with a set of rules for jj2 clanwars to go with gravitation, friction and such.

[Raven aka StL]

What I said is merely a commonly followed system.
But if you use a different one, then what could I do?!

[[GpW]Urbs]

look chiyu if u refused why play then? Then u simply should have said no cw. I mean you are the leader and stuff.

[Grytolle]

Urbs']look chiyu if u refused why play then? Then u simply should have said no cw. I mean you are the leader and stuff.Because then 8<!-- -->D could, and would have the right to, claim a 5-1 win at best and a 15-1 win at worst. Also, stuff like this shouldn't get in the way of jj2 fun.

[Vegito]

The possibility for a tie in scores is tiny indeed, so the semi-round proved to be more useless than it first looked like. While you played that one 'softly', knewing it would be a 'KeesTheCaSe'-round, although in begin we had the idea it was like any normal first round.

Now we played Distopia, just as well softly because we had the idea the score in there wouldn't affect to the outcome, because of the semi-round. We even changed our line-up.

...and we even gave you a rematch for the JE-round, where the score was way less close originally, but you just claim it as a nearly deja vu-victory.

I don't think playing Distopia is a bad idea. (And Semi if you want that badly.)
..And then change to the score system Chiyu always wanted.
Me and Yasco discussed playing Distopia again (unofficially) .. But Chiyu doesn't want that so far. Imo it's the best solution availible, lol. It would immediatly solve all problems -.-
(Let alone playing Semi again too. But I don't even bother asking that.)
And the way "C<!---->C" got to this "win" ? .. oh well, I dont even bother replying on all that anymore. Its just that I dont agree at all :[

[Yasco]

Chiyu , if you really always disagreed with the round based system , why didn't you say so after the JE round? As we were all asking "will we still play the Distopia round? just for the honour or sth". And in the chat with Veg and Gry right before the 2nd round began , you also stated that it was best to play JE first as you might even not get to play the level of your choice. So this sounds like you didn't refuse the round based system.
Truth is that you NEVER , really NEVER talked to me about this clanwar , you set Grytolle in charge of the arranging. And if he tells me(and all the rest) that he is in charge of the clanwar and that he can decide about the scoring system then I believe him. You COULD call it Gry's fault , but in my opinion you should've talked to me about all this as you're saying you're the uberboss. Because...let's compare it to soccer : when a trainer tells a defender not to make stupid tackles , but he still does and he gets sent off the field by the referee , then it will be this player's team that will be punished and not the opponent. In this case 8D is the opponent , but we do get punished(by "losing" this cw in your eyes).

[Superjazz]

At some point I agree with Stijn. It could be perhaps foolish to think like that, but after remembering some memories, it might be Chiyu purposally messing up this clanwar, and try to make others believe they are wrong, no matter what.

It's really rude, that during the semi-round our people considered as a first round, and afterwards Chiyu tells us that it actually wasn't one.(..as his team took it out carelessly?)

Next Chiyu wanted us to think we had already won.(..and play Distopia-round carelessly?) Then he would just sum up scores, and surprise, that's yet another victory for CC, which was posted as great news on CC's website. Meanwhile Gry made it clear for the people in jcf, that 8'D had won. That just caused the situation to become really confusing. What clan really won in fact?

I don't think both clans considering this war as a victory for themselves is a good idea after all. Because we actually gave a rematch for CC' in JE, they could just give us a rematch in Distopia. The reason for our request on Distopia's rematch isn't the same, but is no more excuse than "LAG". If there can't be agreement on that, then it could be the whole clanwar to be either rematched, or deleted permanently.

[Vegito]

You really do want a rematch it seems. I've talked to Yasco several times already about that. I wouldn't mind doing a rematch in Distopia. Neither would Grytolle. But so far Chiyu <S> is afraid :P</s> doesn't want yet. He thinks it's a good offer, but for now he wants 1 week rest. Anyways, I might be able to get him here, to seriously consider replaying Distopia.
And under what conditions then? The way Chiyu counts now I guess? which means if it will be 5-4 to CC, its 9-9 overall thus a draw and Semi counts?
(It would solve all problems too. :P)

[Yasco]

@ SJ : I do not want this clanwar to be deleted. I don't think 8-D deserves that.

[Sucer]

We won that's it. If I'd known you start bragging if there is any chance to do so I would have played better in distopia. I thought it would be nice to let you have your honor or whatever it is. Nevertheless in my eyes you don't have any honor anymore. I'm sorry.
So if I ever agree to play a cw againts you again... there won't be any honor that I'll let you have. I'll just try to crush you down with my full power.

[[GpW]Urbs]

We won that's it. If I'd known you start bragging if there is any chance to do so I would have played better in distopia. I thought it would be nice to let you have your honor or whatever it is. Nevertheless in my eyes you don't have any honor anymore. I'm sorry.
So if I ever agree to play a cw againts you again... there won't be any honor that I'll let you have. I'll just try to crush you down with my full power.

For sucer is dominus et deus, stronger than he-man, more dashing than superman and can jump further than janne ahonen. Plus he's north side, (-) yeah!

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[ShadowGPW]

This conflict starts to be more idiotic then the average match conflict at CS. Ill be watching this topic.

[Vegito]

I don't really want to answer on all this. As I am at 8D's side more like.

[Yasco]

This conflict starts to be more idiotic then the average match conflict at CS. Ill be watching this topic.
8-D wants to find a solution , so don't blame us. ;)

[[GpW]Urbs]

shad, just leave it. Sure it's a wee bit funny at times, but up till now very flame free:)
Which is kinda incredible actually.
Hell if i thought i had won a clanwar and the other side would say otherwise i'd go berserk:).
edit: Which doesn't mean you should. I was just applauding you for not acting (too) silly and flaming one another. Well ok to some1 who doesn't care it does look silly, but still.

Anyway a rematch would pwn.

[Superjazz]

This conflict starts to be more idiotic then the average match conflict at CS. Ill be watching this topic.

Yeah, I guess clanwars weren't really this messy during your times. Especially when you won against that "inexperienced" CC-team.

[[GpW]Urbs]

ehh they were messy, just not on jcf i reckon.
but i must say they were organised as badly as this:)
Or should i say wars nowadays are organised as badly as then:)

anyhow you guys should clear up this mess, cuz its silly to play wars and not to know who won.(heh i know, look who's talking i know, but i decided that matter isn't worth discussing anymore)

[Enigma]

Tsk. What happened to the olympic spirit of competing being more important than winning ;) Just agree clearly (from what I can tell, you agreed on something, but no one really knew what) on the scoring system before the clanwar. Saves a lot of complaining and grief.