Jazz3d is back on track

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hi there i'm sick and tired that epic killed off jazz3d so i'm starting to make my own version of it:-) . it's going to have a all three of the jackrabbits jazz, spaz and lori are back.:lori: if got some of the story line they where going to use for there version of jazz3d but i still need to write soom more of the story and i need to add more cariters. if you have a good idea for the story or you have a cariter you want in the game email me at C_peanutbutter@yahoo.com.au but i can't add all of the ideas in because then i would never finsh the game. so if your ideas arn't in the game when it's done so i hope you will understand. i will right a staces report every 3 months on how the game is going. it will go slow at the becaing because i'm the only one working on it but i get really good at things really fast.
ok i hope to here form you loves of the jazz games to help me chep the jazz games going.

[Erik]

ok:lori:

[Xplosive]

Thats nice maybe you and ambersoftware can worked together?

[Birdie]

Can you program, model, create textures, and map all at the same time?

[Radium]

Can you program, model, create textures, and map all at the same time?Wait, let me guess: No, but you downloaded Game Maker 7 and pirated Flash, and already finished the first three tutorials in both?

I have to agree with Birdie, this does not sound realistic.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Can you program, model, create textures, and map all at the same time?

well i never really tryed to do all that at the same time. i consitrat on 1 thing at a time.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Wait, let me guess: No, but you downloaded Game Maker 7 and pirated Flash, and already finished the first three tutorials in both?

I have to agree with Birdie, this does not sound realistic.

ah no i'm doing a full 3D game i'm not using game maker that is crap and you can only make 2d games. i'm using a real engine to make this game.

[Sacrush]

And what kind of engine are you going to use then? Also, I suggest having a team of people to make your game. Someone with better english perhaps? How old are you actually?

[Xplosive]

=/ all by yourself ?
That would take a very long time so I suggest you get a team.

[Birdie]

Can you program, model, create textures, and map at different times at least?

[Radium]

ah no i'm doing a full 3D game i'm not using game maker that is crap and you can only make 2d games. i'm using a real engine to make this game.I don't know what makes me lose more faith in this project: that you completely missed the sarcasm or the phrase "real engine".

[Gavie]

Amesoftware is already working on this (see the "What if" thread), maybe you could help him, before starting something really big in your own, without a final product probably (You know how these things go, enthusiasm doesn't last forever)..

[Grytolle]

Consider an unreal engine (lolzzzZZzz)

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok to answer your questens
1 i am 15 years old
2 i would love to have a team help me but i'm the only one i know that loves the jazz games eneagth to work for hours on end to finish it.
3 yes i can model, animate and all the stuff
4 yes i would love to use the unreal engine but it cost's a lot of $$$$


and yes i know i'm young but that doesn't mean i'm not good at what i want to do:)

i hope this answer's your questions.

[Sacrush]

Consider an unreal engine (lolzzzZZzz)

Unreal engine 3. ;l

[Birdie]

You never said what engine you were going to use, if you were using the UT engine(not nessesarily UT3 Engine) I would probably help with the mapping anyways. Also, Aren't 'Real Engines' the things you find in cars?

[nakke]

Sigh.

Cool, Jazz rulez, dude!

[Stijn]

2 i would love to have a team help me but i'm the only one i know that loves the jazz games eneagth to work for hours on end to finish it.
You'd better think in terms of years here.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

...This seems kinda hasty. Personally I think it would be best if you worked on it, had something that plays, THEN opened a new topic.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

fine if you can tell me where i can get the unreal engine that dosn't cost a lot of money. or it is free then give me the link and i can then start making it in that. :cool:

[Coolpeanutbutter]

if you know of anyone that whould like to help me make the game. i will take any help i can get.

[Birdie]

fine if you can tell me where i can get the unreal engine that dosn't cost a lot of money. or it is free then give me the link and i can then start making it in that. :cool:

It depends on what you plan to do, if you want to make a mod then it's free (you can't sell it. ;p) if you want to make a whole new game then sell it you need to license it.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

no i'm not going to sell it. it will be a free game to download. so will that be cost money to use the unreal engine.

[Anaiyu]

this has to be a joke.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

what has to be a joke?:mad:

[Blackraptor]

Uhh....good luck?

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Uhh....good luck?

thanks i will need it at the rate i'm going and the sarport i'm getting. it the rate i'm going i douet it will ever be done but i wount give up on the project. i will only give up if i don't get the tutarle done in 2 months.

[Xplosive]

If you are planning to do this on your own then it will take years.

sorry but im not convinced you know what you are doing.
Mind saying a bit more about it?

[CrimiClown]

Where have I heard promises like this before?

[ShadeJackrabbit]

What, you mean Jazz3D and MIA by Baggers?

[n00b]

Really because last I check Bagger's promise was along the lines of "I'll work on it as much I can", which he has.

[Cpp]

Oh, dear. Another one of these threads.
Move this to comedy, plx.

[Xobim]

Harsh one, OL...
I give this project two weeks before dying.

[ambesoftware]

umm .. okay.. things have happend while I was gone .. whats this about ?
Coolpeanutbutter.. your making this thing very casual .. like its: Hey lets make a game its done tomorrow download it then.. what are you trying to do?

[n00b]

When Ambesoftware is bashing your project, you know it's time to back down.



Not to mean any ill will towards Ambesoftware just a small joke

[ambesoftware]

no hard feelings..

[Violet CLM]

<a href="http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/forumdisplay.php?f=12">Wrong forum.</a>

[ambesoftware]

how manny people are in the bussines of making this game ?

[Coolpeanutbutter]

What, you mean Jazz3D and MIA by Baggers?

????????? whats MIA ????????

[Coolpeanutbutter]

how manny people are in the bussines of making this game ?


i don't know but the more there are the more likely that it will be done.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

umm .. okay.. things have happend while I was gone .. whats this about ?
Coolpeanutbutter.. your making this thing very casual .. like its: Hey lets make a game its done tomorrow download it then.. what are you trying to do?

what i'm trying to do is have people help me with ideas on the story line and maybe get people help me with making it. it will take a long time but the more people i can get to help the faster in will be out for download.

[ambesoftware]

you do understand that I already started making the game, don't you ?

[Radium]

What Ambe means to say, Mr. Peanutbutter, is that you are one person and we know nothing of your experience or abilities. Ambesoft, on the other hand, is like a whole company or something. With a website. And employees, and modellers, and probably slaves and stuff too. You'd be better off showing us what you can do, then perhaps lending your skills to Ambesoft.

[ambesoftware]

how did you know about the slaves?! but yeah, show us some of your previos work.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

you guys oh i can't say it on this because there maybe kids on. :derby:but most of the feed back i'm getting is really anoything me.:mad: i hoped that if i say i'm makeing the game that i would have people saying hay he's making the game yah. but all i get is things like oh he's making the game he won't last one week. well at the rate i'm going it well never be finshed and you guys arn't helping ever. so i'm just about to quit work on it.

[Grytolle]

So you didn't last a week then.

[NovaStar]

Well if you showed us some of the work you're doing at least we can see how good you are at these things and then we'll be able to see how much help you'll need. Whatever, if you can't think of an extra character I've got like hundreds of good ones you can use ;/.

[Cpp]

Harsh one, OL...No offense. There have been so many threads like this in the past and they keep p0pping up. We all know how they ended up and I'm starting to see them as jokes. Ambesoftware is an exception tho. Read this thread from the start plus compare it with ambesoftware's and you'll see what I mean.

how manny people are in the bussines of making this game ?Many have tried, but didn't get too far. They're just fans determined to see the game. Maybe you should employ them :confused::p

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hay i never sayed i was giving up yet but i am thinking about it. i just get mad very easy. i'm think of help someone who has started work on it and is fearth in then i got.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

i am thinking of stoping my plan of making jj3 and consitrating on doing something else with my time. if you think i should stop making it then i under stand you don't know anything about my or what i made before i tryed to make jj3. althore i was making a story for what i was hopping to be jj4 but i douet jj3 will ever be done. if the big componeys whated jj3 to be made it would of been releasted by know but if people just cheap at it it will be finshed. i falled misbraly but that dusn't mean it can't be done. just have faith jj3 will be made.:-)

[DoubleGJ]

okay duz dis mean all u wer goning todo was teh story well maybey sel it to epik games n tehn dey wil make jj3d :cool:

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hay man you just gave me a good idea maybe if i do wright the story epic games will final make jj3. thanks for the idea. if anyone has a good idea for the story then wright in the form i'm sore we can get epic to make the game and if not it well it was worth a try.:)

[Torkell]

For what it's worth, I'd like to see a new Jazz Jackrabbit game. I can't spend much time on creating one myself, but I'll be interested to see how yours turns out (assuming you're still going ahead with it).

[ShadeJackrabbit]

hay man you just gave me a good idea maybe if i do wright the story epic games will final make jj3. thanks for the idea. if anyone has a good idea for the story then wright in the form i'm sore we can get epic to make the game and if not it well it was worth a try.

Check in the archives of the War Tavern. There's probably something there.

Better yet, convince Epic to make Tales of Uberbob into a game! (Co-produced by 3D Realms and the JCF)

[Radium]

I don't know about you guys, but personally I'd like to see the next official JJ3 made by professional programmers, be illustrated by amazing artists, and feature a story written by someone with (at least) a language degree. I know I'm old fashioned, but it's just a thought.

[n0]

I say go right ahead, CPB, and make a JJ fangame. There is nothing wrong with that. Good luck, have fun and everything.

To everyone else who is yelling at CPB, it doesn't hurt to have another fan game. The only time this sort of critisizm should happen is when the author of the game wants to buy rights to the game and sell it, as is the case with Ambesoft. But we already have a thread or two hundred for picking apart what might become the official JJ3.

`n0

[Violet CLM]

The issue I think is that posting this in the Future of Jazz forum makes no sense unless it's actually trying to be the Future of Jazz. If it's just trying to be a fangame, that's fine, and standards can be set much lower. Coincidentally, we have a forum for that...

[Coolpeanutbutter]

I say go right ahead, CPB, and make a JJ fangame. There is nothing wrong with that. Good luck, have fun and everything.

To everyone else who is yelling at CPB, it doesn't hurt to have another fan game. The only time this sort of critisizm should happen is when the author of the game wants to buy rights to the game and sell it, as is the case with Ambesoft. But we already have a thread or two hundred for picking apart what might become the official JJ3.

`n0

hay thanks man your one of a few people that has given me good feedback about what i'm doing i'm trying to make a game and i'm also righting a story to see if a can get epic to make the official game of jj3 but until then i hope what i'm working will be finshed and if it is i hope that everyone injoys it or at lets thank me for making it but like i said some timeago unless i get some help it will take years to make. it will take years with people to help but not as much time.

[n0]

Violet has a point, though. Try posting your game idea and progress in the fangame fourm.

[Anaiyu]

I can't believe how seriously you're all taking this.


Come on.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hay like it say's i'm not making it anymore i'm just writeing the sript for the game and hope that epic likes it and if they don't then i will try to make it again but not post about it until i'm at lest 3 corters done.:)

[Gavie]

hay like it say's i'm not making it anymore i'm just writeing the sript for the game and hope that epic likes it and if they don't then i will try to make it again but not post about it until i'm at lest 3 corters done.:)

I hope you use a good spell checker before sending it to epic..

[Birdie]

Maybe, you could show us the story line first? :P
(You it pretty quick, so I'm worried.)

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok look i want you to help me write the story. i am allready writeing the story but i can't make it all up by my self so i want you guys to help me by writeing your ideas for it on this form because my other form got closed. so even if it's really stupid pleese just write it on the form so i can add it to it. and ween it ready i will type the hole thing (yes i know i write hole wrong) up on this form. ok so i hope to hear form you guys.:) :lori:

[DoubleGJ]

Jazz goes to Candy Mountain?

[n00b]

Jazz comes out of the closet, he and eva argue for a few days, make up and learn a life lesson.
Meanwhile Spaz and Lori are out on WACKY subplots, and Devan tries to keep Jazz and Eva from getting back together!

All of this and more next week on "According to Jazz", ABC wednesdays at 8pm.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok first of all candy mounten a wired idea but cool ok i'l add candy mounten into the story but i would like more info on why they go to candy mounten. ok the next on jazz and eve fighting that one i need to think about because if i do that then well that sort of kill's jazz for the game and well the name of the game is jazz3d so i will think about that on but if you can make it have jazz still in the story then it would be a good opener. :lori:

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Ok i had this very wired idea in my head that for some reason jazz goes in the internet for a bit in the game so he goes around the turtals pc and can delete his files and make all heck brack loss in his lab. if you think i should add it write in.

[Stijn]

ok<br/>

[Grytolle]

That sounds like a wonderful idea, and I know that Epic would approve.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

I can't even read your posts. Could you please check your grammar and spelling? Maybe add a few commas or periods? I don't even understand most of what I can read.

[Radium]

Alright, I no longer believe this thread is real. Between your post in Jwren's WT story and those in this thread, I'm convinced this is a parody. I'm sorry, but you can't honestly be asking what you are. You literally told Jwren "I don't think anyone likes this story, but can I use it for a jazz game I'm making?".

I second Zapper.

[ambesoftware]

Yeah what did he mean by that post? was it ment as an insult to Jwren ?

[Birdie]

How about jazz builds a blue box that is bigger on the inside than the outside, that can travel through time. Then he gets sued by BBC and the game is over before it begins.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

I can't even read your posts. Could you please check your grammar and spelling? Maybe add a few commas or periods? I don't even understand most of what I can read.

ok man i will try to but i can't promise anything.:lori: :)

Alright, I no longer believe this thread is real. Between your post in Jwren's WT story and those in this thread, I'm convinced this is a parody. I'm sorry, but you can't honestly be asking what you are. You literally told Jwren "I don't think anyone likes this story, but can I use it for a jazz game I'm making?".

I second Zapper.

i sayed i don't think anyone liked it because no one write in a reply to it. but it is a very good story and it has a good story line and everything i really liked it so i ask if i can use it.

Yeah what did he mean by that post? was it ment as an insult to Jwren ?

oh hell no it was no insolt i just sayed that no one was writeing in a reply.:lori: :)

How about jazz builds a blue box that is bigger on the inside than the outside, that can travel through time. Then he gets sued by BBC and the game is over before it begins.

that has got to be the dumbest idea i ever hourd. that's something a flash would be like. :lori: :rolleyes:

ok there is one thing i forgot when i started writing this. doe's everyone think the game sould stick with 2d graphecs or go to 3d graphecs. i need to know because if it's 2d then i will need to change it a little.:lori: :cool:

[Stijn]

Coolpeanutbutter, I have told you before that you should not make several replies in a row. If you keep going on with it I'll have to give you a warning.

As a more personal opinion, please use proper punctuation and capitalization. Reading your posts is making me tired.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Coolpeanutbutter, I have told you before that you should not make several replies in a row. If you keep going on with it I'll have to give you a warning.

As a more personal opinion, please use proper punctuation and capitalization. Reading your posts is making me tired.

ok ok sorry but i need to make one more then i might make one in the afternoon

[Stijn]

Simply use this button below your last post:

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/buttons/edit.gif

To quote several messages in one reply, click this button in every post you want to quote:

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/buttons/multiquote_off.gif

It will then become a red button, indicating it will automatically be quoted in your next reply. When you have marked all posts you want to quote, use this button to reply:

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/buttons/reply.gif

[ShadeJackrabbit]

that has got to be the dumbest idea i ever hourd. that's something a flash would be like. :lori: :rolleyes:

Well, someone doesn't like Doctor Who... :)

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Well, someone doesn't like Doctor Who... :)

no i like doctor who but i didn't like what you said about then getting sued by the bbc. that's a dumb idea

[NovaStar]

Mmm, I had this awesome idea some time back about a black eage character whom controlled most of the species called "Velkryes" or something like that. Velkryes were somewhat like {insert species here} that could go into likea mode where they get wings and get sharper claws or whatever. I had a character you could use that was a good Velkrye, Velocity. The problem with Velkryes and the black eagle guy for a JJ3 is, they use magic, and unless you were willing to implement that as a sort of attack for Velocity or maybe the other characters, it might be a bit of an unfair advantage over other characters.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Mmm, I had this awesome idea some time back about a black eage character whom controlled most of the species called "Velkryes" or something like that. Velkryes were somewhat like {insert species here} that could go into likea mode where they get wings and get sharper claws or whatever. I had a character you could use that was a good Velkrye, Velocity. The problem with Velkryes and the black eagle guy for a JJ3 is, they use magic, and unless you were willing to implement that as a sort of attack for Velocity or maybe the other characters, it might be a bit of an unfair advantage over other characters.

hay that's a awesome idea man yes i will add this into it but i need to know what planet they are form because well the other character's will want to know when they meet him in the game.:lori: :cool:

[Grytolle]

Yeah.. Emma is the man! :D

[Birdie]

...So now this is just a game with jazz in it? :P
(The getting sued by BBC part makes perfect sense.)

[Coolpeanutbutter]

no it's going to have spaz and lori in it i'm just asking about story ideas what made you think that i would leave them out of the story there one of the main chariters:lori: :)

[Violet CLM]

That's not what Birdie meant. Basically, it sounds like you're just taking any random idea regardless of whether it has anything to do with the Jazz universe/storyline or not. It feels as if it's just a random story with the Jazz characters somehow thrown into it.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

no it's going to make shance. i'm taking some ideas but not the really dumb or just blane silly ideas the story is making shance if you want i will write the story up in the form tomorow.:lori: :)

[Anaiyu]

Put Sonic and Bugs Bunny in your game! And in the backgrounds, instead of having a moon, put the DEATHSTAR. That would be a REALLY good idea!!!

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Put Sonic and Bugs Bunny in your game! And in the backgrounds, instead of having a moon, put the DEATHSTAR. That would be a REALLY good idea!!!

ah this has to be the dumbest idea i ever hourd no i will not put sonic and bugs bunny in it and the death star that's just over kill because epic will have to pay millions of dollers to have them in the game.

[cooba]

She's just making fun of you and the project

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hehe didn't know that but this is no joke i am writeing a story for jj3 that i hope epic does like as a backup inchase that the game abesofe (i know i spell it pleese don't hate me) is making they don't like so if they don't then we have this story as a backup.:lori: :)

[ambesoftware]

backup ? abesofe?

[Coolpeanutbutter]

in answer to ambesoftware yes i am writing a story or a backup in case epic doesn't like your game so we then have a story to send them lets hope i don't need to send the story. and yes i spelt your name rong sorry:lori: :)

[Smeer516]

How do you expect to write an entire storyline if you cannot even manage to spell please correctly? I know theres spell checkers and what-not but you can not even put a simple sentence together.

I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi or anything but if you want people to take you seriously, then at least have the courtesy to use proper grammar and mechanics.

I'm sorry, but I just have serious doubts about this entire project.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

How do you expect to write an entire storyline if you cannot even manage to spell please correctly? I know theres spell checkers and what-not but you can not even put a simple sentence together.

I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi or anything but if you want people to take you seriously, then at least have the courtesy to use proper grammar and mechanics.

I'm sorry, but I just have serious doubts about this entire project.

so you don't think i can write a story because i can't spell some words well just watch me smart guy tomorrow morning i am going to put the first little bit of the story aka the opening cinamatic then we will see who get's the last laugh.:lori: :mad:

[Smeer516]

I guess we'll see how it turns out.

Even if it turns out half decent, I really don't think epic will give a #### about it anyway.

They've got bigger projects to work on.

[NovaStar]

Well.. my characters aren't from any particular planet. I *think* their world was accessible by a portal of some sort. I had about 16 pages written of it, but I stopped writing it 3 months ago, and din't get up to the portal bit.

I'll type a bit of it up in the War Tavern, it was meant to be a trilogy of some sort.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Well.. my characters aren't from any particular planet. I *think* their world was accessible by a portal of some sort. I had about 16 pages written of it, but I stopped writing it 3 months ago, and din't get up to the portal bit.

I'll type a bit of it up in the War Tavern, it was meant to be a trilogy of some sort.

well ok i'm not up to your character yet so i hope to hear from you.:lori: :)

[Coolpeanutbutter]

:) Chapter 1 opening cinamatic (i used spell check but i think i still spelled some words wrong so if you find a word i spelled wrong and tell me it would help)
After jazz jack rabbit 2 jazz finally thinks it is safe to pop the question to eva and they got married and have kids. Jazz, Spaz and Lori retired after there last adventure and they settled down to life a nice peaceful live in there home. But one day jazz and eva have a big fight and the kids over hear it and they decide to go out side before anything bad happens. They stumble across devan shells old base and they find a machine that was covered with dust and cobwebs. One of the kid’s say they should go home and tell there perands about what they found but the others wanted to use it to find out what it does. The kid that wanted to tell there perands caved in and help them activate the machine. It opened a vortex and the kids got sucked into it. After a few hours jazz and eva make up and they are a bit worried about the kids so jazz gets spaz and lori to help look for them. After 2 days of looking they go back home to where there was a letter for jazz. Jazz opens the letter it is from devan shell in it is a micro disc that jazz puts in his pc and it pops up with a video and devan says: well jazz long time no see didn’t expect to see me again did you. Well jazz if you ever want to see your kids again you must come to me but you will never find me hahahaha if you don’t get to me in 5 days your kids are goner’s hahahaha. Then the message stops. Jazz is (-) off because of what he saw. Then he says you know what that means right guys. Spaz and Lori nod there heads it’s out of retirement for one last adventure. Jazz runs and gets changed and breaks out his old blaster. Spaz and Lori do the same. Then the adventure begins. They get to Devan’s lab and they find one of jazz’s kids dolls next to the machine and jazz instantly knows what happened they must have been playing with the machine and they got sucked into it. So jazz tinkers with it until it opens the vortex. They then get sucked right into it but they get knocked out as they exit it. When they wake up they are strapped to a table and then devan comes out of the shadows and says well jazz didn’t expect to see me again did you. Jazz you want to see your children don’t you jazz then says offcourse I want to see my children where are they. Then a cage came down form the chilling with jazz’s kids in it. What are you going to do to them? Then devan says Oh you will see jazz hahahaha you will see. Then a saw blade came out of the wall and moved very slowly towards the cage. Jazz if you don’t want to see your kids harmed I sergest that you give me your blaster. Jazz says what do you want my blaster for Devan says why else for a nice trophy. Jazz refuse the first two times. The first time he says no this was my father’s blaster you won’t get it. Devan then says oh really he pushes a button the blade moves a little bit faster. Then Devan says I would give it to me know if I where you hahaha. The second time jazz says no I would let you lay a hand on it. Devan says well that’s too bad because well one more push of a button and it bye-bye rabbit kids hahaha. This is your last chance the blaster or the kids your call jazz you got 10 seconds. Jazz then starts too sweet because he is stuck with a though call. Just as devan is about to push the button jazz gives him the blaster he then push’s the other button to stop the blade. He then says a very good move jazz but not the best you have come up with. Jazz looks conferees because he doesn’t understand by what he means. Spaz and lori try to snap him out of his daze but there’s nothing they can do. Until devan puts it onto his work bench then jazz understands what he means by not the best move he could of made because then he sees devan made the saw blade cuts the blaster in half. Jazz let’s out a scream of anger as he tries to break out of the restrains on the table but then devan puts in his backpack a little one hand one and says if this will shout you up take this one. Then devan pulls a switch and the kids are released form there cage but before they can reach there dad the vortex opens up and sucks them back throw it jazz is up set and mad and angry he is filled with rage he wants to kill devan with no mercy. But then the kids are back home and they call for there mum she hugs them and ask where’s your farther they don’t want to answer but then another vortex opens and out pops jazz, spaz and lori. But jazz, spaz and Lori are watching all of this on a monitor still on the lab table. Then Lori ask’s if were here who are they. Devan then says these are the reason you haven’t heard from me in years a perfect robotic version of you three. The three of them gasped. But then spaz says ah then what about us if they are there then what will happen to us. Devan then says well I think you can guess what happens to you three hahahaha. He then throw a lever then electricity start to flow throw the three rabbit’s shocking them to a crisp but they are not dead and but devan doesn’t know this. He then called his henchmen to take the three of them and dump them in the forest. So they are taken to the forest where they lie for about 6 hours until they wake up. But there is one problem they can’t remember a thing excepted there name and that they are brothers and sister.
:lori: :)

[Stijn]

didnt read it but looks cool keep it up http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Torkell]

Some of us actually read posts before commenting on them.

I have to admit, I do like how this is starting out. It will be interesting to see where it goes from here.

Coolpeanutbutter, a few misspelt words:
"perands" should be "parents"
"chilling" should be "ceiling"
"sergest" should be "suggest"
"too sweet" should be "to sweat"
"though call" should be "tough call"
"conferees" should be "confused"
You've also confused "there" and "their" in a few places.

[Radium]

<So, have you ever met this girl named Sweetness001...>

How about paragraphs? Paragraphs are when you push enter. You do it when you change to a different topic or a new person starts speaking.

[sonicnathan 1]

I read the story. IT IS THE BEST JAZZ PLOT I HAVE EVER HERD!!! WOW!! You better use it. and by the way................... USING GAME MAKER WAS MY IDEA!!! but it's ok. I'm glad somebody thought of the idea. I would love to help but I only know the basics of game maker.

You lost me at Hello

[Stijn]

&lt;So, have you ever met this girl named Sweetness001...&gt;
Hmmm?

[Birdie]

I read the story. IT IS THE BEST JAZZ PLOT I HAVE EVER HERD!!! WOW!! You better use it. and by the way................... USING GAME MAKER WAS MY IDEA!!! but it's ok. I'm glad somebody thought of the idea. I would love to help but I only know the basics of game maker.

You lost me at Hello

First of all, no one is making a game, no one is using game maker, this is just a story that coolpeanutbutter is writing in hopes that epic will like it enough to make a game out of it.

[Grid]

so you don't think i can write a story because i can't spell some words well just watch me smart guy tomorrow morning i am going to put the first little bit of the story aka the opening cinamatic then we will see who get's the last laugh.:lori: :mad:
Look, being incapable of spelling is bad enough. But you don't even know how to use punctuation marks properly. And have you ever heard of quotation marks? They're used when people speak. Try throwing them into your story; it might clear things up a bit.

And honestly, that story is extremely amateur.

First off, name the kids. Don't just go through the whole outline saying "that kid who this" and "the kid who that." It's boring.

Jazz and Eva have a fight, right? And then the kids wander off. Look, there's no way they could just stumble upon Devan's old base. Jazz would have to live within five miles of it, and that wouldn't happen.

And when did Devan even have a base on Carrotus?! He didn't, unless you're referring to the labs featured in JJ2. But seriously, do you think for a second that Jazz would have just left it there?

So, Jazz and Eva realise the kids wandered off. This is something kids do; Jazz would not overreact and call up Spaz and Lori to help look until he's been searching for a great deal of time.

Look, to cut a long rant short, this is not good. It's not even close. There are so many poor plot points that it's pathetic. I know I sound rude, but this needs serious improvement in every aspect.

[FQuist]

You do not just sound rude - you are being rather rude. Politeness would be recommendable.

[Violet CLM]

Jazz and Eva have a fight, right? And then the kids wander off. Look, there's no way they could just stumble upon Devan's old base. Jazz would have to live within five miles of it, and that wouldn't happen.

And when did Devan even have a base on Carrotus?! He didn't, unless you're referring to the labs featured in JJ2. But seriously, do you think for a second that Jazz would have just left it there?
Umm, while I agree that Jazz would probably have gotten rid of the labs, their actual <i>location</i> is somewhat debatable. The third and fourth levels (not counting Rabbit in Training) levels of JJ2 are supposed to take place in the <i>royal gardens</i>, not the natural Carrotus landscape. This seems unlikely, given their sheer size, and the size of the castle in the distance, but that <i>is</i> what they are called, and they bear little resemblance to the Carrotus proper portrayed in the JJ1 or JJ2 intro movies. How much time is spent inbetween the end of Carrotus and the beginning of Labrat is something that is really never stated anywhere.

[NovaStar]

Also, there was no real explanation for what happened pre-JJ2, so new players would be like 'hey it's a game with a green rabbit or a red one for the hero... interesting'.

And about the story... Jazz & Eva would live in the castle. And presumably Spaz too, so that *is* a wee bit flawed.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

You do not just sound rude - you are being rather rude. Politeness would be recommendable.

so where am i sounding rude in my story?:lori: :confused:

[NovaStar]

He meant Grid, not you ;p

[Coolpeanutbutter]

some people like my story and some don't well for the people that don't like my story or think that i can do better. i would like it if you can tell me where and how i can make it better? the good thing is that it's only a draft it's not the finshed one yet so if you can tell me i will think about changing the story. ps i will only change it if it's a good or a reasonable idea no stuff like i should put sonic or bugs or the death star in it because then i will just keep it the same.:lori: :)

[Violet CLM]

Also, there was no real explanation for what happened pre-JJ2, so new players would be like 'hey it's a game with a green rabbit or a red one for the hero... interesting'.
Except for, say, the manual for the game.

And about the story... Jazz & Eva would live in the castle. And presumably Spaz too, so that *is* a wee bit flawed.
I'm not sure there exists a story set post-JJ2 which does not feature at the very least Spaz living in Carrotus Castle. I guess it's just assumed Jazz's family has no life outside Eva.

[Stijn]

You do not just sound rude - you are being rather rude. Politeness would be recommendable.

Aye, there's only some truth in the saying that all criticism should be constructive. Though Grid put it rather bluntly, he does have a point. And sometimes the best way to get that accross is the way he did it. Though "patethic" is not a nice word to say. But apart from that...

[sonicnathan 1]

oh I see. Well I thinks it's a great idea. Get a small group of people together and make what we have wanted for so long.



You lost me at hello

[Grid]

OK, first off, sorry for being a bit too impolite. And yeah, saying pathetic is a bit much. I was sleepy. =p
some people like my story and some don't well for the people that don't like my story or think that i can do better. i would like it if you can tell me where and how i can make it better? the good thing is that it's only a draft it's not the finshed one yet so if you can tell me i will think about changing the story.
If you want some pointers for the story, I'll try and help out.

I'm not a fan of the kids stumbling upon an old base. Especially because Devan seemed to be expecting them, which he wouldn't have been. Instead, you should have Devan set up a trap for them, leaving clues behind to lead Jazz to him.

Also, the bit about the vortex isn't great. Jazz is no mechanic or scientist; he wouldn't know how to use the thing. And it doesn't make sense for the kids to have automatically sucked into it, while Jazz has to turn it on for him. What if you just made it a warp point? We have warp points in the game, so it would be easy to explain one in the story.

It wouldn't have taken Devan years to make robotic versions of the trio. Heck, he could have just used a "Mean Gene Machine" to clone them. The final boss of JJ1 was a giant clone of Jazz. Devan could make clones of Jazz, Spaz, and Lori, rather than make robotic versions.

Also, torture scenes are not good openings for a game. This game should be rated E, just like its predecesors. Torturing the hares is not going to land an E, and as a gamer I wouldn't enjoy watching it.

OK, now let's examine Devan's plan. In JJ1, Devan wanted to destroy Carrotus. In JJ2, he wanted to go back in time to erase rabbits from history. And now, you're suggesting that Devan' plan is to.... make clones/copies of the Jackrabbits.... why? All they could do is poorly run Carrotus. They wouldn't be able to destroy Carrotus or eliminate the rabbits. You should come up with a purpose for them.


Again, sorry for the rudeness earlier. I understand that there's a certain way to go about saying things, and I understand that I used the wrong approach.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

OK, first off, sorry for being a bit too impolite. And yeah, saying pathetic is a bit much. I was sleepy. =p

If you want some pointers for the story, I'll try and help out.

I'm not a fan of the kids stumbling upon an old base. Especially because Devan seemed to be expecting them, which he wouldn't have been. Instead, you should have Devan set up a trap for them, leaving clues behind to lead Jazz to him.

Also, the bit about the vortex isn't great. Jazz is no mechanic or scientist; he wouldn't know how to use the thing. And it doesn't make sense for the kids to have automatically sucked into it, while Jazz has to turn it on for him. What if you just made it a warp point? We have warp points in the game, so it would be easy to explain one in the story.

It wouldn't have taken Devan years to make robotic versions of the trio. Heck, he could have just used a "Mean Gene Machine" to clone them. The final boss of JJ1 was a giant clone of Jazz. Devan could make clones of Jazz, Spaz, and Lori, rather than make robotic versions.

Also, torture scenes are not good openings for a game. This game should be rated E, just like its predecesors. Torturing the hares is not going to land an E, and as a gamer I wouldn't enjoy watching it.

OK, now let's examine Devan's plan. In JJ1, Devan wanted to destroy Carrotus. In JJ2, he wanted to go back in time to erase rabbits from history. And now, you're suggesting that Devan' plan is to.... make clones/copies of the Jackrabbits.... why? All they could do is poorly run Carrotus. They wouldn't be able to destroy Carrotus or eliminate the rabbits. You should come up with a purpose for them.


Again, sorry for the rudeness earlier. I understand that there's a certain way to go about saying things, and I understand that I used the wrong approach.

ok in answer to your answers about the story they will not be in order ok first devans plan is a two parter 1 well think if devan made a copy of the trio then they can get into all of the secret files for the milltery and all that so then he can know the size of the army and where they are week and all that. and 2 well he's wanted revange on the jack rabbits for so long so if he gets robotic versions of them to destroy the city well everyone will think that it's jazz, spaz and lori that destoryed the city.

ok the torture bit ok i might have gone a bit over bored with that idea but if you can think of a way that looks like they have died and lost there memery then i'm all ears for that.

ok it would of takin devan years to make this three robots because devan knows that every robot that he has made have been desteryed by the trio so he wanted to make these robots so thugh that nothing can destery them or so he thoght.

ok your right jazz is no mechanic but what if spaz see's a shiney butten and he can't resist the urge to push the shiney butten.

the idea of warp points well that might be a good idea but then the kids can't get sucked throw and there is all ways a way to go back so sorry i'm not useing the warp points in the opening but in the levels i might use them.

ok and the last one devan setting a trap how is that any different then what i did he knew they where comeing because in jazz2 he had a time machine so he went throw the machine and he set up a trap.

ok that's all the ideas some are good i will consider useing them.:lori: :)
oh and no sweat man

[Grid]

ok in answer to your answers about the story they will not be in order ok first devans plan is a two parter 1 well think if devan made a copy of the trio then they can get into all of the secret files for the milltery and all that so then he can know the size of the army and where they are week and all that. and 2 well he's wanted revange on the jack rabbits for so long so if he gets robotic versions of them to destroy the city well everyone will think that it's jazz, spaz and lori that destoryed the city.
Fair enough, that makes sense.

Here's an idea: perhaps Devan gets the robots to start a war with a much more powerful planet. He knows Carrotus will nearly be destroyed in the hopeless battle.
ok the torture bit ok i might have gone a bit over bored with that idea but if you can think of a way that looks like they have died and lost there memery then i'm all ears for that....I got nothing.
ok it would of takin devan years to make this three robots because devan knows that every robot that he has made have been desteryed by the trio so he wanted to make these robots so thugh that nothing can destery them or so he thoght.I suppose that works.
ok your right jazz is no mechanic but what if spaz see's a shiney butten and he can't resist the urge to push the shiney butten.My point here is that the kids didn't have to push said "shiny button." Why is it that the kids get sucked up without the need for a button?
the idea of warp points well that might be a good idea but then the kids can't get sucked throw and there is all ways a way to go back so sorry i'm not useing the warp points in the opening but in the levels i might use them.Actually, in JJ2, there was no way back through a warp point. Once you've gone through one, you're stuck on the other side.

ok and the last one devan setting a trap how is that any different then what i did he knew they where comeing because in jazz2 he had a time machine so he went throw the machine and he set up a trap.Eh... Devan really didn't have time to set a trap for Jazz's future kids in JJ2. Throughout the game, Jazz and Spaz were right on his heels and presumably went through every time warp that Devan did. Had Devan gone to the future, the Jackrabbit brothers would have gone there, too.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Fair enough, that makes sense.

Here's an idea: perhaps Devan gets the robots to start a war with a much more powerful planet. He knows Carrotus will nearly be destroyed in the hopeless battle.
...I got nothing.
I suppose that works.
My point here is that the kids didn't have to push said "shiny button." Why is it that the kids get sucked up without the need for a button?
Actually, in JJ2, there was no way back through a warp point. Once you've gone through one, you're stuck on the other side.
Eh... Devan really didn't have time to set a trap for Jazz's future kids in JJ2. Throughout the game, Jazz and Spaz were right on his heels and presumably went through every time warp that Devan did. Had Devan gone to the future, the Jackrabbit brothers would have gone there, too.

ok well think if devan has a time macheian then of course he has time he could of gone to the future or the past to set up a trap to stop the trio.

and the kids they just push any butten and they get the right one:)

and the warp point well then if it is a warp point then it doesn't suck in because you have to walk into it so then the kids wouldn't have gone throw and the story would never work then.

and final well that is a good idea the the robots start a war with a more powerful plaint but devan want's to rule the plaint so i don't work besides i got a better idea in mind for the robots and you will have to wait and see ^^:lori::)

[Xplosive]

This made me laugh , but I liked it :P

How come the jackrabbit trio got burned to a crisp , but the henchmen dumped them in a forest?

It would not take jazz that long to choose over his blaster or his kids , jazz is a hero he would pick his kids over anything nearly.

What do eva and jazz get into a fight about?

[Coolpeanutbutter]

This made me laugh , but I liked it :P

How come the jackrabbit trio got burned to a crisp , but the henchmen dumped them in a forest?

It would not take jazz that long to choose over his blaster or his kids , jazz is a hero he would pick his kids over anything nearly.

What do eva and jazz get into a fight about?

ok first of all it's a draft not the finshed one yet. ok first of all devan thinks they are dead so he dumps them in the forest. secand it is the only thing he has to remind him of his dad and also he is thinking of a way to bust out of the restands at the same time so he was binding time. three ok i don't have a clue you don't see how they start the fight so i don't need to go over the fight. also then i would have to rewrite the story to revole around the fight at the start so i don't want to do that because i'm up to chapter 3 of the story and it's taking me a long time to think this up so pleese don't ask me to put it what they are fighting about.:lori: :)

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Okay Cool, do you mind if I call you Cool?

Here's a few things about English grammar:

1. A sentence always begins with an uppercase letter. You can get this through Shift+(*letter*) or typing with Caps Lock on. This is important because it helps with figuring out where a sentance begins.

2. Paragraphs. This has subsections:

2a. First, a paragraph is usually one idea. When you end your idea, you should end the paragraph. You wouldn't really say: "I ate ice cream with chocolate sprinkles," and "On Saturday I went biking," in the same paragraph, because they are separate ideas.

2b. When you make a new paragraph, I know that I at least find it easier to tell this if you press Enter (or Return on older keyboards) twice, to make a space, as you can see with my tips.

3. When doing quotes of what people say (in a story, not on the forum) it is in the following format:

"quote," said character.

It is important to do this, because it is then possible to see who says what.

4. Commas. The comma is very important, I could go on about how to use commas, but since you haven't used them much yet, I'll say that you can do it this way:

Whenever you have a pause in a sentence, or are listing things, use a comma.

5. Uh... nothing else really. Just wanted to help you make your posts more readable.

NOTE: Might be a good idea to make a sticky on proper writing? TO AN EXTENT, we don't want to be critical. But people should still be able to read posts.

[nakke]

Thank you, ZAPPER, for this enlightening message. Thank you.

[n00b]

Dear people:

After 3 (has it been 3?) Grammar lessons, I really think its time to give up.
I mean, you all apparently understood it well enough to point out every single (-) error the guy made, so we apparently know what he's talking about.

[Xplosive]

Comon guys don't be like that , At least he's gave proof of doing some work on his story , I think it may of been pretty hard for him to write a lot of that up .

Coolpenutbutter if you do have some trouble spelling , put what you want to write in word and use spellcheck , or you can find a plugin what that enables a spellcheck on your browser.

Looking good so far ;)

[NovaStar]

Or get IE7. Which is really no use when you think about it.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hay there it nice to here from everyone again in my storys i have used spellcheck but some words i don't get write so that's why i asked you's to help. some people have helped me and for that i thankyou i will not give up on this project. i will write until it finshed but until then next i will post up chapter2 of the story next week aka the Tutorial lvl. it's going to sound a LOT differant because of some factors ok.
1 the player will be followed by the other two charters after you pick a charter.
2 the game play i hope will be differant i want to try and make something fresh for jazz other then just a go from form one side of a level to the other side.
3 you can pick to fight hand to hand or use your blaster because i know that in 3d sometimes it better to use hand to hand combat.
4 you can tell the two that are following you to do what you want. say there's a ledge that only spaz can get up to you tell spaz to go up there and he will double jump up there.

ok that's all a will tell you about what the game play will hopefully be like if they do it correctly. if you want it to be like the older versions of jazz then i will change it back to the older version will just take me a little while longer to post up chapter 2 and will it then kill's all the other ideas in my head so wait a minute. no sorry i won't change my ideas because if it's just the older version gone 3d then it will be dumb because then it's just sonic the hedgehog with a gun that's no fun:mad: . if you don't like what i'm doing to jazz then well i'm sorry but if i make it look like sonic the hedgehog with a gun epic will never make it because they will think it's just someone playing a trick on them. i hope you understand just wait until the next chapter.:lori: :)

[Grid]

3 you can pick to fight hand to hand or use your blaster because i know that in 3d sometimes it better to use hand to hand combat.Rather than hand-to-hand combat, why don't you make it gun-to-hand? What I mean is that I think it would be more fun to swing your gun at people than to punch them.

if you don't like what i'm doing to jazz then well i'm sorry but if i make it look like sonic the hedgehog with a gun epic will never make it because they will think it's just someone playing a trick on them. i hope you understand just wait until the next chapter.I really hate to burst your bubble, but Epic's really not going to make this game. It's not the ability to write a story that they lack. There are plenty of people they can hire to write out a plot. And they can plan the game mechanics themselves. What they need is the motivation to make the game, and they need to know that it will sell well. Look at the size of the Jazz Jackrabbit fanbase, then compare it to the fanbase of Unreal. Unreal is where their real profit is; they're not going to change their ways just because you've written a plot to JJ3, no matter how good it is.

[Radium]

3 you can pick to fight hand to hand or use your blaster because i know that in 3d sometimes it better to use hand to hand combat.Wait, what? Hand to hand is generally more annoying in 3D than ranged combat, simply because you have no actual depth vision.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok first of all that gun to hand does sound good ok yes i will do that. and i find it more easy to use hand to hand combat in 3d and range is good to but hand to hand when you get up close to someone is better then shoting. and final if i get a lot of people to help me back up on this story epic might make it. i just need people to help back it up.:lori: :)

[Neobeo]

my ideas is first person galge u play as jazz, then lori n eva are the main heroines n spaz can be ur nemesis

[Coolpeanutbutter]

my ideas is first person galge u play as jazz, then lori n eva are the main heroines n spaz can be ur nemesis

ah why would spaz be the nemesis :lori: :confused:

[ShadeJackrabbit]

A few possible reasons:

1.He's had enough of Jazz hogging the spot-light,
2.Spaz's psychological state has deteriorated further, causing him to look at Jazz in a different way.
3. Mind control.

[Radium]

or drugs :(

[n00b]

Hahaha that'd be great if while you're fighting Spaz, Jazz's kids would be around shouting stuff like "Stop it! Can't you both see you're tearing us all apart?!"

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ah did you guys read chapter 1 ALL three of them are the good guys besides i like spaz to much to have to fight him as a boss. and also my friend would hate me for the rest of his life if i didn't make spaz one of the main characters in the story so that he can be spaz.
i might make him go crazy in one bit so that you fight him.
then you get him back.
then you fight lori.
then you get her back.
then if you pick jazz you fight them both because he is going crazy.
so if you win nothing big happens you just snap out of it same as if you lose.:lori: :)

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Ah, one of those battles. I remember a few in Tales of Symphonia...

[blurredd]

Maybe Lori should be the one that loses it and turns evil. Her backstory got all messed up between 1.23 and TSF, and she wasn't much of a playable character anyway. Lori seeks revenge for being mistreated over the years.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ah ok no one is turning evil i said that in my last post ok. i might make it for like 1 fight they go crazy but not for longer then 1 fight so stop posting you want me to make someone evil that is a dumb idea for 2 reasons. 1 people will hate me for making a charater they like evil 2 i like the charaters to much to make them evil. so stop asking me about it.:lori: :)

[n00b]

i like devan do not make him evil please.

[blurredd]

JJ3 should be a prequel. And it should be about the adventures Spaz and Lori had before joining up with Jazz. And they should team up with Devan because Devan isn't evil yet. And this is before Spaz becomes insane, so Spaz should be normal. And then the trio fight whatever tyranny is present at the time and they save the day. And at the end of the game, Lori gets stranded on a strange planet in the middle of nowhere, Spaz suddenly loses his mind since he loses his sister presumably forever, and Devan should turn to the dark side through some self-fulfilling prophecy. And then Jazz makes a cameo or something. This game would sell millions.

[NovaStar]

..that's the best alternative I could think of. Or something with Eva as a playable character, but wahtever.

[Neobeo]

I second BlurredD's idea too, except it lacks that element of evilness. Instead of Jazz appearing as a cameo, how about letting him be the evil guy? The ending will be that Spaz and Devan defeat Jazz, and Jazz becomes good. In fact, Jazz becomes so good that Devan grows jealous and turns evil. Probably merge this with the self-fulfilling prophecy somehow.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hmmmmm. a good idea but i don't think it will work like that. i can make it so that at one point in the game when they start getting there memorys back that there is like a little bit that would last prople about say 1hour of play where that can happen but i don't want to revole the hole story about that because the name of the game is jazz3d. like i said a great idea i will really think hard on adding it into the story for a flash back bit but no promises.:lori: :)

oh and the one where someone does go crazy and turn evil well i'm REALLY REALLY REALLY thinking hard on the but i don't really want to do that because i like to use lori as a character and well for spaz.
My friend would hate me for the rest of my life but it is a really good plot twist. if you think i should add it then ok spaz will go evil but only if i get a lot of people saying to me to do that.

[sonicnathan 1]

Again are we making the game or talking about it?

[Coolpeanutbutter]

sigh. no i'm not making the game myself i'm writeing a game script to send to epic games to see if they will make it that why i'm asking every to help me come up ideas to but into it. ok i'm not making the game just writing a game script.:lori: :)

[sonicnathan 1]

ok. But your going to need more. Were going to have to come up with ideas for weapons, bosses, areas, enemies and other pick ups until those jack A@$#$ make Jazz 3.

You lost me at hello

[Coolpeanutbutter]

That a good idea i have idea of something about the power ups and all that i have a very riskey idea in my head about how you get new abilities and all that for the chariter you pick but ah what the hell ok my idea is that they make it that to get new skill and to incress old ones and all that there is a lvl system. so lets say that at lvl 3 they get there basic skill aka jazz and lori get helicopter ears and spaz get double jump. like i said it's a silly idea but it might work.:lori: :)

[NovaStar]

...that could work. Except different characters could start off at different levels.
I had an idea: what if you could pick a character for a level? As in the one you control? It'd make the game a lot more interesting, so you could have places only certain characters can reach.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hmmm. well i guess that would work. yeah that would work because someone gave me a good idea about jazz being evil for a bit so yeah that be the only way around it or there is like a switch box or something. i know there's a star wars game i like where you have three guys out at once and you click on one of there portrait and you become that player. the other two would still get xp and all that but you are just a differant player that's all. thanks nova for the idea.:lori: :)

[sonicnathan 1]

I got an idea. How about late in the game you get a weapon that can pick up small enemys(like turtles) and can fire them. If you pick up enough enemys you can use the gun like a meciene gun. (rapid fire)

[Stijn]

You played Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath?

[Xplosive]

I want to see more of the story :(

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok i will post up more on the story by tomorrow. and that gun to pick up some enemys sounds like the gun from strangers wraith and also the upgraded gravity gun from half life2.:lori: :)

[Birdie]

Much more like the suck cannon from R&C :P

[Radium]

and also the upgraded gravity gun from half life2.:lori: :)The upgraded Gravity Gun instantly killed anything it touched, though. It didn't throw enemies, it threw bodies.

[n00b]

Much more like the suck cannon from R&C :P

I was about to say that, but not having played Stranger's Wrath I didn't want to look like an idiot due to a misconception

[sonicnathan 1]

That idea just hit me. I haven't played odddworld. But I have played hlaf life. In fact I own it. The god father of all games!!!

[Birdie]

The god father of all games!!!
I think that was pong, and anyways UT>Halflife

[n00b]

I think if games had a godfather, it would have been chosen way before Half Life came out.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok gang here's the fix up chapter 1 and i am also posting up chapter2 but they are still drafts and i still need some ideas for what's going to happen right know at this point i would like to thank novastar and n00b. n00b because he gave me the idea of jazz and eva fighting at the start and novastar for letting me use his character. ok heres the two chapters:lori: :cool:

Chapter 1
After jazz jack rabbit 2 jazz finally thinks it is safe to pop the question to eva and they got married and have kids. Jazz, Spaz and Lori retired after there last adventure and they settled down to life a nice peaceful live in there home. But one day jazz and eva have a big fight and the kids over hear it and they decide to go out side before anything bad happens. They stumble across devan shells old base and they find a machine that was covered with dust and cobwebs. One of the kid’s say they should go home and tell there parents about what they found but the others wanted to use it to find out what it does. The kid that wanted to tell there parents caved in and help them activate the machine. It opened a vortex and the kids got sucked into it. After a few hours jazz and eva make up and they are a bit worried about the kids so jazz gets spaz and lori to help look for them. After 2 days of looking they go back home to where there was a letter for jazz. Jazz opens the letter it is from devan shell in it is a micro disc that jazz puts in his pc and it pops up with a video and devan says: well jazz long time no see didn’t expect to see me again did you. Well jazz if you ever want to see your kids again you must come to me but you will never find me hahahaha if you don’t get to me in 5 days your kids are goner’s hahahaha. Then the message stops. Jazz is (-) off because of what he saw. Then he says you know what that means right guys. Spaz and Lori nod there heads it’s out of retirement for one last adventure. Jazz runs and gets changed and breaks out his old blaster. Spaz and Lori do the same. Then the adventure begins. They get to Devan’s lab and they find one of jazz’s kids dolls next to the machine and jazz instantly knows what happened they must have been playing with the machine and they got sucked into it. So jazz says we need a plan if we are going to get this working. But jazz didn’t see spaz next to the machine and he saw a shiny button and he just couldn’t resist the urge to push it. When he does it starts to open the vortex up again and jazz and lori turn to face spaz and there mouths a wide open in disbelieve then spaz says what there was a shiny button. Then the vortex fully forms. They then get sucked right into it but they get knocked out as they exit it. When they wake up they are strapped to a table and then devan comes out of the shadows and says well jazz didn’t expect to see me again did you. Jazz you want to see your children don’t you jazz then says offcourse I want to see my children where are they. Then a cage came down form the ceiling with jazz’s kids in it. What are you going to do to them? Then devan says Oh you will see jazz hahahaha you will see. Then a saw blade came out of the wall and moved very slowly towards the cage. Jazz if you don’t want to see your kids harmed I suggest that you give me your blaster. Jazz says what do you want my blaster for Devan says why else for a nice trophy. Jazz refuse the first two times. The first time he says no this was my father’s blaster you won’t get it. Devan then says oh really he pushes a button the blade moves a little bit faster. Then Devan says I would give it to me know if I where you hahaha. The second time jazz says no I would let you lay a hand on it. Devan says well that’s too bad because well one more push of a button and it bye-bye rabbit kids hahaha. This is your last chance the blaster or the kids your call jazz you got 10 seconds. Jazz then starts to sweat because he is stuck with a though call. Just as devan is about to push the button jazz gives him the blaster he then push’s the other button to stop the blade. He then says a very good move jazz but not the best you have come up with. Jazz looks confused because he doesn’t understand by what he means. Spaz and lori try to snap him out of his daze but there’s nothing they can do. Until devan puts it onto his work bench then jazz understands what he means by not the best move he could of made because then he sees devan made the saw blade cuts the blaster in half. Jazz let’s out a scream of anger as he tries to break out of the restrains on the table but then devan puts in his backpack a little one hand one and says if this will shout you up take this one. Then devan pulls a switch and the kids are released form there cage but before they can reach there dad the vortex opens up and sucks them back throw it jazz is up set and mad and angry he is filled with rage he wants to kill devan with no mercy. But then the kids are back home and they call for there mum she hugs them and ask where’s your farther they don’t want to answer but then another vortex opens and out pops jazz, spaz and lori. But jazz, spaz and Lori are watching all of this on a monitor still on the lab table. Then Lori ask’s if were here who are they. Devan then says these are the reason you haven’t heard from me in years a perfect robotic version of you three. The three of them gasped. But then spaz says ah then what about us if they are there then what will happen to us. Devan then says well I think you can guess what happens to you three hahahaha. He then throw a lever then electricity start to flow throw the three rabbit’s shocking them to a crisp but they are not dead and but devan doesn’t know this. He then called his henchmen to take the three of them and dump them in the forest. So they are taken to the forest where they lie for about 6 hours until they wake up. But there is one problem they can’t remember a thing excepted there name and that they are brothers and sister. End of chapter 1

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Chapter 2 (P.s I still think I got some words wrong so if I did can you please tell me)
This is the time that the players then gets control of the character they chose to use jazz, spaz and Lori. It then teaches you how to move and look around. You then go to help the other when all of a sudden three punk turtles appear and they talk to your character then they start a fight. This is the time when the player learns how to fight but you don't have your blaster. So it teaches to fight unarmed by your self. If you win they get up again and they are steamed. But if you loss you get back up. After you beat them the other two get up and they help you. This is the time they teach you about fight with the others characters helping you. But this time the player is meant to loss. Jazz gets knocked to the ground and out from his backpack pops there blasters jazz reaches for what popped out of his backpack then he see’s that blasters the others look to this triggers a little flash back for all three of them. Jazz know witch blaster belongs to witch creature all of a sudden. So he throws them there blaster. This is the time when the player learns how to fight with a blaster. You win really easily with a blaster you KO them and they get knocked to the ground and they run off. But they dropped something a yellow crystal. Lori sees’s it and she has a look at it really hard and she then puts it into jazz’s backpack. Then they follow the turtles until they get to a city (you guys come up with a name I haven’t named it yet). This then starts a cinematic of them walking around the city talking. Then it gets dark all of a sudden. They then go looking for a place to stay when all of a sudden a sound of a can getting kicked is heard and then they have a talk about what to do. The player then gets one of two chances one find a place to stay. Two find out what cased the noise. No matter witch one the player picks it leads them to the same place a hotel. They are just about to go into the hotel when they hear the noise again. The player then has to go and find out what the noise is. when you find out what it is the character peaks around the corner and it's the punk turtles again you then talk to them for a bit before they start a fight with you again you win easily again and this time they run off but drop a red crystal and spaz thinks it looks nice so he puts trys to put it in his shoe but jazz says put it in my backpack so spaz does. You then have to go back to the hotel and you check into it and they person who works there gives you a book for being the 500 customer. And you then go up stares and you then go into your room and you then put the book next to your bed. You then get a choice to save the game by writing a diary entry and then you go to sleep. The next day you wake up at 6 a.m you then go out side of the hotel and you then go out looking for information. This may take about 30 minutes of game play to find and the guy you get it from is Velocity (thank you nova star). After you get it you then try to find a job to get some money but you run into the punk turtles again. This time they are steamed so right when they see you they start a fight. You win again but they then drink some energy drink and get right back up and they then pull out a gun each. The player hasn’t learned how to avoid weapons like gun fire so the player loses they the take back there crystals and walk off. The player then wakes up and they then must find a health item fast. all they can see are three carrots so you then crawl to them and you then eat one and you then use the rest of them on the other two then you have to back to the hotel and rest up. You then wake up and you go looking for the turtles they are back in there allay. You then get mad at them and this time you start a fight with them this time you know they have guns so you then learn how to jump and side jump and rolling. So the player should win realty easy. They the drop three crystals one red, one yellow and one green. The player then picks up all three of them and the player then has one of three sets of crystals. The crystals play a big part at the end of the game there are 3 sets altogether. You get one set for defeating three secret bosses. And the last one for defeating the three story boss’s. I’m not saying just yet what the crystals do you will have to wait and see but it will be really cool. (P.s you don’t need all 3 sets but it helps). After they got back to the hotel they then went to there room and sat on there bed and lied down. Then they had a talk about what was with the crystals. They had a wired glow when one of them touched the right one. Jazz asked every one to put your crystals on the floor they then put there crystal’s on the floor jazz then touched Spaz’s one it didn’t react in any way he then touched Lori’s one it didn’t react he touched his one it light up. Then they where puzzled. Then jazz said maybe someone in town can help us they all agreed and picked back up there crystals and went to bed. The next morning they ate breakfast and then went out to see if someone know anything about the crystals. The game play should take about 15min to find the right person to talk to if you don’t know the right guy to talk to. The person they run into is Velocity. He had a look at it he said it was a power crystal but a type he’s never seen before. They only reacted to those three he then told them of the power they have. He said I can put them in your blaster to give it a lot more power but you need to do something for me. The thing you have to do is go and get some matter cores to help make you upgrade your weapons. Matter cores are special cores that can hold matter. But Velocity want’s some really rare matter cores that you can only get for doing mission’s for some people. After you get all 3 rare cores you go back to Velocity and he will then upgrade your blaster’s but you have to wait 60 min in real time to get them back. At this time you fight hand to hand again like you always could. You than can go find side missions while your blaster’s getting up graded but you don’t need to do it but if you finish all of the side missions you then get a new one opens and you go out into the forest to find something. (this is a secret boss this is how you get lori’s bonus crystal the reasion i'm telling you this is that you only have 60 min to get there so it's going to be really hard). Then after 60 min you get a massage saying that your blasters are ready for pick up when you pick them up they look cooler and they have a crystal in it. End of chapter.

[Stijn]

¶ is your friend.

Really, barely anyone is going to read this. Please break it up in paragraphs or our heads will explode because of the massive concentration of characters.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok i will try but the story is coming a long a lot faster then i thought it would and it is great.
I might have it finshed by 28/10/07 because i'm the only one working but i hope to have it finshed befor that if it is after then i'm sorry about it not being out on time.p.s cheep sending in ideas then the story will go faster the ideas i'm getting are good ones thanks guys.:lori: :)

[NovaStar]

It'll take a lot longer than seven months if you compile heaps of ideas. You just need one main plot and maybe a few subplots here and there to tie in with the main plot.

[Torkell]

Minor issue in chapter 1: if Jazz is strapped to the table, how can he give Devan his blaster?

Interesting approach. This is sounding a lot like an RPG, rather than the bare minimum plot that JJ2 had ("Devan's up to no good. Kill him.")

[ShadeJackrabbit]

But, keep in mind that sometimes that "bare minimum" is good.

[Xplosive]

I didn't know we were in your gang :P.

Um how can jazz have his blaster if it got choped in half?
Also I don't lthink I would be playing this game long if it takes 15+ minutes to find someone , unless the city is going be free roam like grand theft auto .
Theres not a lot of detail in this they had breckfast and then went out , they don't have any memory of the past , im sure they would discuss something , also you need to say what the jackrabbit trio are talking to the turtles about .
otherwise epic won't take it seriosly , im not trying to get on your back , but you need to consider thease points.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hay of course your in my gang we are all friends right lol.:lori: :)
ok in answer to your questions
1 i already have a plot for the game and yes it will take awhile to get going but it's better then what it can be and like i said i HOPE that it's out in a coupe of mouths because of how fast I’m writing the story because something i can write a chapter a day but i didn't normal do that because i have a life.
2 your right jazz can't give daven his blaster but that doesn’t mean that he tells him it's in his backpack.
3 yes this is sounding a lot like a rpg but would you raver have a just get from the start to the exit like in the other games or go around and explore places, find treasher, do missions, get better weapons and train your characters.
4 yes i am hoping that they do make it a 3d game where you can walk around the city because well i don't think they still do get from start to exit anymore except for sonic the hedgehog but that the only newer game that i have seen any game that go's from start to exit.
5 yes they would talk while they eat but if i put in every little detal then it would take 10 pages in the forum and then i'd get kick from the forum then the story will never be finished.
ok i hope this answer's your questions i will fix up all of the errors i made in the last two chapters. p.s ah i didn't get a reaction to spaz pushing the shiny button.:lori: :)

[Birdie]

You wouldn't get kicked from the forum for using too much detail, unless it was deemed unapropriate detail.

[Grid]

2 your right jazz can't give daven his blaster but that doesn’t mean that he tells him it's in his backpack. Eh, the LFG 2000 is way bigger than Jazz's backpack. It would never fit. And really, if Jazz had to choose between a family heirloom and his children, he wouldn't hesitate to save his children.

And you really need to break the outline into paragraphs. It's simply not readable unless the reader wants to put forth a lot of effort. And I'm not about to blind myself trying to read all that. Just break it up; it won't take long.

[Violet CLM]

Given all the times Jazz went around in JJ1 without the LFG-2000 visible, I'd say it's plenty big enough to fit into the backpack. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it was supposed to <i>be</i> the backpack, though there's no real evidence for that.

[Anaiyu]

Comon guys don't be like that , At least he's gave proof of doing some work on his story , I think it may of been pretty hard for him to write a lot of that up .

Yeah, it must have taken a long time to purposely make all those errors.

[Grid]

Given all the times Jazz went around in JJ1 without the LFG-2000 visible, I'd say it's plenty big enough to fit into the backpack. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it was supposed to <i>be</i> the backpack, though there's no real evidence for that.
If you're referring to the JJ1 comic for the times when Jazz was missing the LFG 2000, also note that he was missing both the gun and the backpack in nearly all panels. Besides, he could easily have left it in the Jazz-01. Not to mention that on Page 6, he's wearing the backpack in one frame, but it's vanished in the next frame. Nick Stadler may be a great artist, but he's not too consistent.

If you compare the size of the gun to the size of the backpack in both the artwork and sprites, the gun is much larger. In the JJ2 sprites, if you set the gun vertically, it continues from his neck down to his feet (given his normal stance). I understand that sprites aren't always accurate to the artwork, but that's a pretty darn big difference.

And, going strictly by official sources, Jazz would carry his gun on a strap around his body. Check the frame of the JJ1 comic in which he is injured and Chuck flies away. Jazz has a strap there leading toward his gun. We know that's not a backpack strap because it goes around his body, not a shoulder. Furthermore, if you've got a JJ1 sprite sheet handy, you can see the strap on Jazz's shivering frames and on his "bored" animation. We know that these aren't backpack straps here because they are much looser than those straps as depicted in any other source. Although admittedly the only animations that actually show the backpack/ backpack straps are when Jazz leans on a wall and when he tumbles (barring the 3d segments of the game)

And really, it couldn't be the backpack, due to the fact that we see both at once in the JJ2 manual cover and on most of Jazz's JJ2 sprites.

All I'm really trying to say is that you can't hide a gun that big in a little backpack, and Jazz wouldn't have a problem with giving it up when his kids were in danger, whether it was his father's gun or not.

[n00b]

Grid, please, for all of us here, SHUT UP.

You're lucky I don't have the time to go around disputing all of your contradicting, nonsensical, and at times downright dumb arguments. It'd be a bloodbath of pompous illogic.

[Grid]

Riiiight. Because we all know that my backing up of claims with actual reference material is dumb and illogical.

Where I come from, it's good to make sure that your stories don't conflict with the canon material already presented. Look at the backpack, then look at the gun. It doesn't fit. Because of this, coolpeanutbutter should alter his story in some way to compensate.

And for the record, I have not argued with anything here. I've merely pointed out flaws that need to be fixed in order to make for a better story. You seem to have the impression that I'm just running around mindlessly arguing, which couldn't be further from the truth.

And please, point out any illogic I've presented. I'll try to clarify anything that you don't understand. Saying that my points are dumb is nothing more than a useless insult.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Riiiight. Because we all know that my backing up of claims with actual reference material is dumb and illogical.
Uhmm... he's got a point there. It isn't illogical. And dumb? Weeelllllllll... not really either.

Where I come from, it's good to make sure that your stories don't conflict with the canon material already presented. Look at the backpack, then look at the gun. It doesn't fit. Because of this, coolpeanutbutter should alter his story in some way to compensate.
And we all know that frame-by-frame continuity is on the top of every person's to-do list. Let's go ask Disney for advise while we're on it.

And besides, who says that Jazz's gun doesn't fold, or shrink or something like that. We don't have anything proving otherwise.

Cool, even though I can't read what you're story is about, keep on going and ignore all this. Better yet, get an Admin to delete it.

[n00b]

Alright, first you claim Nick Stadler is inconsistent, and yet all of your following arguments use his work as "proof" that you're right. Please show me how thats logical or not arguring for the sake of it.

Next, you tried to dispute the gun wasn't a backpack. That was useless and dumb. It's not a useless insult to say it was dumb, since if that argument was a human being it would have the IQ of say, 6.

Finally- Jazz is a cartoon rabbit. A cartoon. We're not arguing over a coworker and whether his bazooka would fit in a tiny wallet. We're arguing over a toon and trying to apply real world physics to them.

Let me ask you these question, poindexter: How does Felix fit all of his gags in his magic bag of tricks despite some of them larger than Felix and the bag combined, how does Bugs Bunny fit a carrot in a fold of his skin that is suddenly a pocket, and how does Jazz carry around a gun that is sometimes twice his size despite showing no real musclemass?

[ShadeJackrabbit]

and how does Jazz carry around a gun that is sometimes twice his size despite showing no real musclemass?
Spinach, like Popeye!
*cue theme song*

[Grid]

And we all know that frame-by-frame continuity is on the top of every person's to-do list. Let's go ask Disney for advise while we're on it.

And besides, who says that Jazz's fun doesn't fold, or shrink or something like that. We don't have anything proving otherwise.Eh, you've got me there.

n00b: Look, if you want to dispute things, that's fine. But name calling is not going to help your case at all, and it's certainly not making you look tough.

Look, Nick Stadler is inconsistent with a lot of things, but he's our only real reference. Items disappear at random as he draws, but the size of the items remain consistent.

Next, you tried to dispute the gun wasn't a backpack. That was useless and dumb. It's not a useless insult to say it was dumb, since if that argument was a human being it would have the IQ of say, 6.
...did you see the part where Uknown Rabbit suggested that the gun was the backpack? Because that's what I was disputing. I didn't just make that up on a whim.

And comparing Jazz in this instance to Bugs Bunny doesn't really work. coolpeanutbutter has presented us with a torture scene; magically pulling the gun out of a smaller backpack is really quite out of place. It's a cartoony, silly element thrown into what is supposed to be a serious scene. Unless of course he went with Shade's notion that the gun can fold/shrink/whatever.


I'll emphasize that I'm not just trying to argue about whether or not his gun will fit. This was meant merely to be an additional reason to take out the bit where Devan forces Jazz to give him the gun. Jazz would not hesitate to save his children just for the sake of the only item that reminds him of his father. In the end, the gun is just an item. He wouldn't have to hesitate to give it up for his kids

EDIT: Heh, thanks for the spirit lifter, Shade.

[n00b]

Spinach, like Popeye!
*cue theme song*

Or Supercharged Frosted Flakes like Tony the Tiger

Items disappear at random as he draws, but the size of the items remain consistent.

The LFG has not been consistent. In every in-game incarnation it has had a different size (this is including Noogy's model for JJ3d which actually COULD fit in the backpack). It's had a different size from JJ1 art to JJ2 art as well. Also, the backpack straps occasionally change.

Next, just because someone says it doesn't mean you need to dispute it, especially since Violet pretty much stated in the same sentence there wasn't a case to dispute in the first place.

Furthermore, you talk so much about cannon and yet feel it is something that can be thrown around at will. There is no "in this instance" since if that was true, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The gun would be pulled out, since as Jazz "Cannon" shows that Jazz uses warner-esque antics all the time. Why should he suddenly stop? If this is to be the case, then the gun size is not the issue, since cannon is apparently not the issue.

Finally, dumb is not tough talk. If I wanted to look "tough" I'd fill this with expletives, question your sexual preference, and suggest that I spend "leisure time" with your mother at night.

At Coolpeanutbutter: Perhaps have Jazz hesitate because he feels he cannot trust Devan instead?

EDIT- and can we please continue this over PM? This isn't going to be resolved anytime soon apparently, and I'd rather not see this thread filled with our ramblings.

[Violet CLM]

...Not to mention that on Page 6, he's wearing the backpack in one frame, but it's vanished in the next frame...
Definitely an art mistake, and yes, it supports the idea that Nick can make slight consistency errors.

And, going strictly by official sources, Jazz would carry his gun on a strap around his body. Check the frame of the JJ1 comic in which he is injured and Chuck flies away. Jazz has a strap there leading toward his gun. We know that's not a backpack strap because it goes around his body, not a shoulder. Furthermore, if you've got a JJ1 sprite sheet handy, you can see the strap on Jazz's shivering frames and on his "bored" animation. We know that these aren't backpack straps here because they are much looser than those straps as depicted in any other source. Although admittedly the only animations that actually show the backpack/ backpack straps are when Jazz leans on a wall and when he tumbles (barring the 3d segments of the game)
Yes, the gun has a strap! It is a <i>blue object with yellow dots and a red strap</i>, and it is almost <i>never</i> shown at the same time as the backpack. For one, the backpack is hardly ever shown. In the tumbling animation, the gun has disappeared and been replaced by the backpack. In the bored animation, he's clearly got his backpack out, it's way too small to be the gun. In shivering, it's just the backpack. Granted, the leaning frame looks wrong, and so is the episode picture for Gene Machine, but given that these seem to be the only two instances in the entire game showing both the gun and the backpack - most of the time he has either the gun or neither - it seems that it should be these images that are labeled the incorrect exceptions.

And really, it couldn't be the backpack, due to the fact that we see both at once in the JJ2 manual cover and on most of Jazz's JJ2 sprites.
Irrelevant. JJ2 made no attempt to be in accordance with the original character design. It may have become canon that the gun and the backpack are separate, but my post was only talking about the original <i>intention</i> of the game designers, which I am pretty sure was for the two to be the same.


EDIT, as this isn't really worth a full post: The Turtle Terror cover has a gun but no backpack.

[Grid]

Yes, the gun has a strap! It is a <i>blue object with yellow dots and a red strap</i>, and it is almost <i>never</i> shown at the same time as the backpack. For one, the backpack is hardly ever shown. In the tumbling animation, the gun has disappeared and been replaced by the backpack. In the bored animation, he's clearly got his backpack out, it's way too small to be the gun. In shivering, it's just the backpack. Granted, the leaning frame looks wrong, and so is the episode picture for Gene Machine, but given that these seem to be the only two instances in the entire game showing both the gun and the backpack - most of the time he has either the gun or neither - it seems that it should be these images that are labeled the incorrect exceptions.I didn't even notice the missing gun in the tumble; I was looking for evidence for my own statement. :p But didn't Jazz have his gun on the Turtle Terror cover? (honestly can't remember)

I see what you're saying here, though. But in all honesty I just think the backpack was simply forgotten in the large majority of frames, considering that JJ2 added it in most of the time. (I don't understand why the heck they forgot the backpack on the shooting while standing poses, but included it on the shooting while jumping. You'd think they woulda noticed!)


Irrelevant. JJ2 made no attempt to be in accordance with the original character design. It may have become canon that the gun and the backpack are separate, but my post was only talking about the original <i>intention</i> of the game designers, which I am pretty sure was for the two to be the same.Oh, I misinterpreted earlier. I didn't catch that you were referring to the original intention. That's a pretty clever idea. Kinda wacky, but clever.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok first of all it's a game and why can't it be cartooney.:cool:
ok the bit where jazz say's no to handing over the blaster for the kids you all say that he should hand the blaster over but if i go in detail it will say in jazz mind talk (ok i got to get my kids out but i don't want to hand over my blaster it's all we have to remember dad i have to think of a way to get out of my restraints and get the kids out before anything bad happens to them. i also don't trust daven that much ever). and the gun fitting into the back pack. IT'S A GAME it can fit if i want it to fit. oh alright i will think of some other way to get the blaster over to daven but i might just leaf it the way it is WE WILL SEE.:lori: :)

[Birdie]

So the backpack is like a tardis and is larger on the inside than the outside?

[ShadeJackrabbit]

BINGO! That's right! It uses a time-space compression device to... oh forget it. Check TARDIS on wikipedia...

[ambesoftware]

are you guys actually disgusting how big his backpack is? Thats not wasted on a toon rabbit at all.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

no where trying to get grid to not argue about how the gun will fit into the backpack.:lori: :)

[Grid]

OK, ok. Just one more minor counter-argument before I let you leave it the way it is: why the heck didn't Devan look in Jazz's backpack to begin with? Jazz was already restrained.... if I were an evil villain, the first thing I'd do is root through the hero's stuff.

And again, my main point here is not meant to be whether or not the gun will fit; the main point was that I don't see that portion of the scene as even being necessary. It's just a gun; Jazz could wake up and Devan already has it (especially considering how remarkably easy it would be to find).

And, uh... I just read the tutorial you have in Chapter 2.... why are there blasters in Jazz's backpack?...

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok first of all daven is a silly villian so he doesn't look in other peoples stuff. if you get chapter 1 after jazz's blaster gets cut i half he starts going crazy so daven puts a little one handed one in his backpack. the others blasters are in there too.:lori: :)

[ShadeJackrabbit]

ok first of all daven is a silly villian so he doesn't look in other peoples stuff.
You see? Proof that you can be evil, AND a gentleman.

[n00b]

Maybe Devan thought "There is no way that gun could fit in there... wait no, maybe it could have. Maybe the gun IS the backpack!!" and debated with himself until Jazz woke up.

[Stijn]

That would make a nice cutscene

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Yeah! You could do it like the Golem-Smeagol scene in Lord of the Rings!

[Coolpeanutbutter]

well i guess that would make a good cut sence but where would i put it. i guess i could put it in the start with the rest of it. or i could make it like a little thing that you unlock then go into the extra page in the menu then watch it there. :) any way the story has been put on hole because people want me to write in detale so chapter 3 is on holed. chapter 1 and 2 are getting updated and are going to be higher detale. i just hope that i don't get kicked for the forum because they are going to be about 10 pages or more for each chapter. so please don't ask me for chapter3 it will come in time and the more you ask the more anoyed i will get so please don't ask for chapter3 until the updated 1 and 2 come out.:lori: :)

[sonicnathan 1]

Can you anwer my question. If Jazz had his gun in his backpack then what did he give to devan?

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok what jazz does is tell devan that it's in his backback.:lori::cool:

oh and in two days where i am holidays start so i will have a lot more time to work on the story.:lori: :)

[sonicnathan 1]

Then how did the gun fall out of jazz's backpack if devan chopmed it in half?

[Coolpeanutbutter]

have even read chapter one. jazz goes crazy nearly busted out of his restrants so devan puts a little one handed blaster in his backpack to get him to settel down.:lori: :)

[sonicnathan 1]

ow. I read the chapter but I must have missed that. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[sonicnathan 1]

And one more thing. Waiting 60 minutes is just suicide. I wouldn't want to weight that long. Cut it back to 15 minutes or something. And yes. In chapter one just make it so that one push of the button will well.........lets just say we'll need more that shaman. That way you can still make jazz panic but at the same time cut back on that long cut scene.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok the reason that the play has to wait is that there are sub missions you can do at the same time. so the player can get better at hand-to-hand combat also if the player finshs the sub missions they get a chance at lori's sub quest where you only get to use lori jazz and spaz wait behind so they arn't there to help you and if you finsh it you get lori's hidden crystial. that's why you wait 60 min.
um it's ment to be a long cut seance like in final fantsy or something. look the point is it's ment to be long if people want i may cut it down a little bit but that will take longer and chapter 3 will be on hold longer. it's a good thing my holidays start to so after school i can think about the story but i'm not working on it 24/7 i have a life you know.:lori: :)

[NeonPSY]

Great, This thread was a big dissapointment, although I guess I should have expected it.

Few points to point out.

1.Epic is NOT going to make a JJ3. Jazz Jackrabbit doesn't make them money. JJ1 made money.
JJ2 didn't make as much.
JJ2: TSF was an attempt to save it, but didn't make much money.
JJA was the last attempt and didn't make them money.

THEN! There was a pitch last year, (Mentioned by Cliffy I believe.) And look how far that has come. ....It's still a pitch or less by now.

2. As said before, Epic would hire their own writers.

3. EPIC WON'T MAKE ANOTHER JAZZ JACKRABBIT GAME! (Unless they feel led to make JJ1 for XBLA. Unlikely.)

[ambesoftware]

you forgot the christmas edition.

[n00b]

JJ2: TSF was an attempt to save it

It may have started that way, but I doubt what became the final product became was meant to save JJ2.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok NeonPSY if you have nothing good to say don't say anything i see a lot of holes in your post anyway.
1Epic would hire their own writers) yeah and if i post this story then the writers didn't write it so they don't have to pay the writers money.
2 i will get them to chance there mind think for a sec if the proplem is that jazz dosn't make money that's why i want you guys to back me up on this story i am writeing with your help. because the more people i get to sign up on it the more likely epic will make the game because there are more people that want it so more people to go out and buy the game so epic will make money and we get the game we want.:lori::cool:

[sonicnathan 1]

From what I heared Jazz2 was one of the best selling playformers of it's time.

[sonicnathan 1]

I can start a thread and get names on people who want Jazz3 to come?

[ShadeJackrabbit]

*hits head on desk*
I'm sorry Cool, but I don't think you understand who we're dealing with. We're dealing with a company who is alive thanks to unreal, so they would have no reason to want to "restart" Jazz Jackrabbit. In their minds, they just would see no profit.

Now, here's the thing: Keep going. I have an idea of making this into a Jedi Knight Academy mod, so the story would be good to have by then...

[sonicnathan 1]

Just shut it plz. If we have no hope of course this will never work. We have to have faith that something will happen.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

ok SonicNathan 1 you can make your own forum to see how many people would like to sign up on my story.:lori: :cool:

[Hoplite]

Hello all!

I'm a JJ fan and I skimmed through this post - I'm aware that bringing back a game from the ashes is a tough job - I tried it myself with another game. Problem is you need to start from scratch, make a storyline, create models, textures then code etc.

(I hope that what I'm about to say isn't common knowledge, otherwise I'll look like a right (-)(-)(-))

Today, I managed to download the unreleased demo of Jazz Jackrabbit 3. As far as I understand, this is the demo that World Tree Games showed to Epic, to try and raise interest in the game.

The demo contains a fair few areas of the game, a couple of baddies and 2 weapons. From playing the demo, it's clear that the game is a modification of the game Unreal (even some of the enemies behave the same), and also comes with UnrealEd.

This demo will quite possibly be a big boost for the JJ3 efforts, because now instead of having to make everything yourselves, you have a solid foundation from which to work on - an already working game, based on well known technology (Unreal) and loads of assets and an editor.

I've just finished uploading the demo to RapidShare - it's 100MB and split into 2 parts. You'll need WinRAR to extract the parts.

To run the game, just extract and then in the game folder go to System/Jazz3d.exe. The only niggle is that loading saved games doen't work - but maybe once people have a look at this, someone might be able to fix it.

The editor is located under System/Jazz3ded.exe. However, before you run the editor there's 2 things you need to do.

First, download the file TABCTL32.OCX (download link here (http://www.ocxdump.com/download-ocx-files_new.php/ocxfiles/T/TABCTL32.OCX/6.01.9782/download.html)), copy it to your WINDOWS\System32 folder, then go to Start->Run and type in regsvr32 tabctl32.ocx. This will prevent the editor from crashing when you try to rebuld the level.

Secondly, in order to test your levels (File->Play Level), you need to make another copy of Jazz3d.exe and rename it to UnrealTournament.exe.

That's it - I hope this contribution will help you guys make something we can call Jazz Jackrabbit 3. I'd be happy to help myself - have some experience in mapping and a bit of scripting for the Unreal engine.

~~Hoplite

Stijn: Spreading Jazz Jackrabbit is illegal by law and on this board.

[Stijn]

Spreading the leaked Jazz Jackrabbit 3 demo is not legal, Hoplite. You may not offer download links on this forum.

If you want to know more about the demo, perhaps you'll find this page (http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/wiki/?Jazz_Jackrabbit_3) interesting.

And welcome to the forums ;)

[ambesoftware]

Maybe I should have named my post something other than "what if". it seemed appropriate at the time.

[NovaStar]

Um, by the way.... Velocity is female.

[Speeza]

*hits head on desk*
I'm sorry Cool, but I don't think you understand who we're dealing with. We're dealing with a company who is alive thanks to unreal, so they would have no reason to want to "restart" Jazz Jackrabbit. In their minds, they just would see no profit.

Now, here's the thing: Keep going. I have an idea of making this into a Jedi Knight Academy mod, so the story would be good to have by then...

I think oyu are misunderstanding A HUMAN BEING IS TRYING TO HELP JAZZ JACKRABBIT OUTTA HIS HEART , HES DOING THIS FOR ALL OF US AND I FULLY SUPPORT HIM EPIC WILL MAKE THIS OR ELSE IM GONNA GET A CAR NUMBER PLATE AND THROW IT AT THEM THEN IM GONNA SAY MAKE THIS GAME OR ELSE , THEN IM GONNA GET INTO UNREAL SERVERS AND BRING EM DOWN THEN WHEN ....

Forget some of that but i will throw a car plate at them , if they don't so anyway everyone look in your hearts thats the one thing we never do thease days look into are hearts and follow them , my heart tells me oh s0 his trying to write a game for epic thats sssssssoooooooooo nice , i should apprecait this ,

LOOK INTO YOUR HEARTS AND FOLLOW THEM

keep up the work penutbutter jelly time its penutbutter jelly time wayit wayit XD well thats a funny song

Keep it going il support you all the way.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

... You aren't serious.

[Stijn]

Ah come on Shade, what's wrong with people having dreams? A little less pessimism wouldn't hurt.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

LOOK INTO YOUR HEARTS AND FOLLOW THEM
I tried once and I hurt my eyes, then my face when I "followed" into a steel sign post. >_<

A little less pessimism wouldn't hurt.
You know, once I was feeling sooooo happy, then I stubbed my toe, tripped over a chair, and hit my head on my pillow. That last part might not seem so bad, but it was. :)

[sonicnathan 1]

True. We have to have hope. If it is are dream to get epic to make jazz 3 then I say we should fallow are dreams. Just saying.. Don't think I'm a girl a anything! Got that!!

[NovaStar]

Please ship the cheese and corn overload OUTTA HERE.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Mmm... cheese and corn... wait. Corn? CORN? I hate corn! *dies*

And SonicNathan 1... why would we think you were a girl because of your post? Are you implying something about girls here? O-O

[NovaStar]

I didn't notice that at first. And I am NOT like that.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

hmm what you mean by the nova.:lori: :)

[sonicnathan 1]

?????????? What about a ship of corn?!? Now that's just crazY!?!?

[Xplosive]

Getting back ontopic...

[ThunderPX]

Frankly, I don't think there was much of a topic to begin with.

[sonicnathan 1]

This topic is about thinking of story ideas to send to Epic!

[ShadeJackrabbit]

For no reason...

Here's mine:
Jazz is annoyed at life and decides to head down into the abyss to... oh wait. Sorry, I'm already doing that one. :D

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Jazz is annoyed at life and decides to head down into the abyss? does that mean that you think jazz is a emo or something?:lori: :confused:

[ShadeJackrabbit]

Wait and see...

[sonicnathan 1]

What The H!!@ Are You Talking About?!?!?

[ShadeJackrabbit]

I don't know what the "H exclamation exclamation at" I am talking about, but it's the abyss for clarification. :D

[Coolpeanutbutter]

Ah the story is going so SLOW but i'm still coming up with ideas for it.:) i thort the the school holidays would help me write the story but it dosn't must be because i'm home that i'm not working much on it. any way the holidays are nearly over so that sould get me back up to speed on my story i have come up with a new idea but i have been thinking sould i ask people if they like it or just but it in. but i'll ask my idea is to make lori like a ditsy blond girl.:lori: :)

[ThunderPX]

but i'll ask my idea is to make lori like a ditsy blond girl.:lori: :)


In before flamefest.

[NovaStar]

hmm what you mean by the nova.:lori: :)
...I'm a girl? DURRR

?????????? What about a ship of corn?!? Now that's just crazY!?!?
OMG CORN OVERLOAD *runs*

but i'll ask my idea is to make lori like a ditsy blond girl.:lori: :)
I'm not too sure many people will agree with that.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

I'm not too sure many people will agree with that.
I for one, doubt that I do.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

lol it was just a idea i had in my head. and the holidays are finaly over so i'm back to work on jazz3 story agian.:lori: :)

[Ninja 101]

you need a really deep one, like Fable of Half life 2

[Coolpeanutbutter]

what the hell is fable of half life 2:lori: :confused:

[Radium]

what the hell is fable of half life 2:lori: :confused:I believe he meant Fable <i>or</i> Half Life 2. I've never played Fable, but Half Life 2 was amazing (written by a professional Sci-Fi author, I think) and I don't believe this story is <i>quite</i> up to the standards set by HL2.

[cooba]

Sorry to break it for you, but this will not work out if it's done the way it is now.



While fandom and dedication is necessary for a franchise to be revived/kept alive, what you need more is professionalism. If a game created by the fan(s) won't be professional, no one will like it and/or appreciate the effort you've done. And while you do show a lot of will, there's really no sight of professionalism at your doings, no offense.

Let me start with the most obvious thing. You're 15. I'm not saying that 15 year olds can't pull out professional stuff, but we're talking about a franchise. Dead and short-lived franchise, but it is still a franchise. To continue a franchise, one needs to have a lot of knowledge about the franchise and its past. The "story" you've made a few pages back shows that you lack some of the most basic information, to be honest.
I actually took the pain (sorry, but the text formatting, or lack thereof, is ridiculous) to read the chapters thoroughly, and not only the writing style is not exactly the best, but this story just sounds as non-canon as JJA's. (At this point, I'm assuming you do know what JJA is and how it turned out to be.)



Another thing is that we don't know anything about what can you do. This thread has 7 pages as I'm writing this. By that time (which is about two months), you should have some really basic stuff lined out:

1. At least a basic <b>scenario</b> for the game
You make a story out of a scenario when the scenario is all finalized. A scenario is a better way to go because it's much more faster to take together and can be easily adjusted overall (unless you're doing some heavy plot redoings). Starting with the story is what most inexperienced (again, no offense) designers do. That's a way wrong approach, for it takes a lot of time which should be spend on other, more important things first.

2. Some first basic gameplay concepts
I don't think I've seen anything else gameplay related other than your idea of bringing melee fights. People however have expressed that such a concept wouldn't work in a 3D game (Radium rose a very valid point here). The problem is, even if you would magically make 3D melee entertaining, then it wouldn't fit into the game. Jazz has always been about big, destructive guns, not sword fights. The pace of the Jazz games comes partially from the weapons, and adding melee fights (especially in early phases of the game) would slow down the game a lot.

I recall that someone from the JJ2 dev team (Arjan?) commented Captain Claw (which was during development at the same time)'s multiplayer: "sword games aren't too fun, even with 64 people". Which just means that the dev team didn't like the idea of melee (which probably caused the Tweedle boss to be canned).

Which also leads us to the point that there no real gameplay concepts right now.




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I'll finish this later. I got to go now, and there's many other stuff I have to bring up.

[ShadeJackrabbit]

THANK YOU COOBA! I'm glad someone said something about this. Just another point, Epic will not make a game as a labor of love. There has to be profit in it, unlike Jazz Jackrabbit.

[NovaStar]

Finally, what everyone has been trying to say in one post.

[Coolpeanutbutter]

yeah yeah i know that they may not like my story but at lest i'm trying to bring jazz back to life. most of you guys say oh they woundn't bring jazz back to life think for just one sec if the proplem is jazz dosn't make money then why not just get a LARGE group of people to write oh lets say a protision with enough names they should go hmm people want to bring jazz back to life and there are a lot of names here we can make money agian. and even if they don't like my story i'm trying to bring jazz back to life i don't want to sound rude but the people that post to this forum most of them just say oh i can't do it they will never bring jazz back to life just give up. NO i never give up you may have given up hope that they will bring jazz back to life but i NEVER WILL i have my reason's for trying to bring jazz back to life and i will get them to. you people may say that i don't but i know i will get the story done. you just wait and see.:lori: :)

[Ninja 101]

Saw that typo. my bad it was meant to be 'or'.

[Radium]

why not just get a LARGE group of people to write oh lets say a protision with enough names they should go hmm people want to bring jazz back to life and there are a lot of names here we can make money agian. Um, we don't <i>have</i> a large group of people, especially compared to their other franchises. Google "Unreal Forum". The first result has 34,599 members, 8,851 of whom are active. The JCF has 3,545 members, with 308 active. Assuming the amount of forum members is proportional to how many people liked a game (which isn't true, but a true ratio would only sway it in Unreal's favor more), that means the number of people that currently like Unreal is more than twice as large as the number of people that ever liked Jazz, ever, and Unreal has at <i>least</i> 30 times as many fans.

A company doesn't make a game for 300 people. Off that group alone, they might make 10,000 dollars. That's 10,000 dollars to pay all the game's producers (animators, coders, etc) for however long it takes to make the game. For comparison, the guy that dresses up as Ronald McDonald makes 50,000 dollars a year. Assuming it takes <i>only</i> a year to make the game, and if there was only two people making the game, they would both be paid one tenth the salary of a man who dresses as a clown for a living.

Cooba is right; most important here is gameplay concepts. Making a good game isn't just a matter of making another Mario-64-ripoff platformer with different characters; it needs an original premise. If you want to be helpful, you're better off focusing on gameplay rather than story.

[ThunderPX]

what the hell is fable of half life 2:lori: :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fable_%28game%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_Life_2

[DoubleGJ]

A company doesn't make a game for 300 people.
But THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAA

[sonicnathan 1]

How many people have signed up for Jazz2online? If we get every last one of there names epic will have to make Jazz3. Ether that or we settle for the test demo. Oh and of the topic of half life you know the powered up gravity gun? Well I found a cheat code to get it at level 1 and it's like holding god in the pome of your hands!