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Violet CLM
Jan 12, 2008, 11:04 AM
So now that we have Quick Reviews, it's very rare to see a rating not get applied to a level somehow, no matter how little is written. The standards for quick reviews seem to essentially be "the writer has played/viewed the upload and has an opinion." I'd like to gauge reactions, both from users and from other admins, to the idea of a retroactive application of the quick review system. This would mean going back through older uploads and converting to quick reviews either:
a. Reviews that were made before the development of quick reviews, still have ratings attached, but which would be counted as quick reviews today.
b. Reviews that had their ratings removed due to insufficiently developed reasoning for a regular review but which would qualify as quick reviews today.
c. Both.
I'm not adding a poll as I'd like to see people commit to their answers, as I know this could be a touchy subject. Thoughts, anyone? Keep in mind that asking each review author on an individual basis is often impossible because they're just not in the community anymore.

Stijn
Jan 12, 2008, 11:33 AM
I strongly disagree with applying anything retroactively. These reviews were made when the standard for reviews was different from what it was now, when a few lines and a small comment about whether an upload was good or not was enough to qualify as a full-fledged review, and those reviews were written with these standards in mind. Retroactively changing them would influence the rating of uploads in an unfair way, because there is no way people could have written their reviews according to today's standards back then, and thus it is just unfair both towards the uploader and the reviewer to change those reviews to quick reviews. Additionally, most old uploads would then have nothing but quick reviews, which are due to the way they are displayed right now easily overlooked and often not read.

Violet CLM
Jan 12, 2008, 11:56 AM
What about the reviews that had ratings removed then but wouldn't have them removed now? You are skipping half of the question.

Stijn
Jan 12, 2008, 12:00 PM
I strongly disagree with applying anything retroactively.
That applied to both points :)

FQuist
Jan 12, 2008, 07:38 PM
I'm kind of on the fence on this, but am leaning towards the "don't apply things retroactively" argument. We've done stuff like that before and it backfired.

Violet CLM
Jan 12, 2008, 09:25 PM
Which is why this is in a public forum where users can give their opinions without it having been first implemented yet unadvertised.

ShadeJackrabbit
Jan 13, 2008, 02:05 PM
I don't really care, as this seems to be the least of the reviewing system's problems...

Stijn
Jan 13, 2008, 03:25 PM
I don't really care, as this seems to be the least of the reviewing system's problems...
Share your concerns about the more grave problems, then :god:

Grytolle
Jan 13, 2008, 11:14 PM
This is a great idea, do it! Fairer ratings is better both for uploader and downloader

R3ptile
Jan 27, 2008, 05:16 AM
This is a great idea, do it! Fairer ratings is better both for uploader and downloader
Agreed fully.

KRSplat
Jan 28, 2008, 07:00 PM
I'm not sure whether or not applying the new system to old input is a good idea; I'm leaning toward agreeing that it wouldn't hurt very much. But I don't think there's any need to go back and make those changes to all of the thousands of levels on J2O, and I also think that some authors of both levels and reviews might be concerned that their pages are being altered. My recommendation is to allow level authors to request that reviews of their levels be categorized, but leave the rest of them alone.