We need a 24/7 server

[Speeza]

me and crazy were thinking about this.

Ok the subject is about haveing a server running 24/7. I'm sick of seeing pinging all the time. and tsf servers. and 1.20 servers.

Sometimes I just wanna kick back and play jazz with some people. Well I never can as theres allways pinging servers. Sometimes I think the retriveing server lists should say. retriveing pinging lists loser.

My point is can anyone host a server 24/7 its well needed I know a lot of people want one. please I beg you:cool:

Ty

[HAha]

Great idea guys a 24/7 sever is what tsf and 1.23 need when ever i want to play jazz2 1.23 or tsf it either no severs or they are all pinging!!! with out 24/7 sever there no point in have jazz 2 online is there!}>

[Violet CLM]

There are several, they're just... not running, I guess.

[master sven]

Mostly, there are TSF servers enough...For 1.23, there was a battle server...:S

[Nonomu198]

(I am the official Did You Know whiner)

The Did You Know says the BS is runing. What a lie. OR IS IT?!

(just doing my job, making your life even worse)

If you want a server host one, if you can't ask someone, if you don't find anyone then you don't have anyone to play with anyway. I think the 24/7 things makes JJ2 even less active, cuz ppl only join them, see there is nobody, and close the game for the day. If someone need to host it means that you will al least have someone to play with or wutever.

[Cpp]

I'm sure there will be tons of 24/7 servers once <strike>we</strike> I release a working dedicated server <strike>under GPL</strike>.

[Slaz]

Well, I loved the time when the battle server was back up. No serious games were played in it, but it was used as a meeting place to plan and warm up clanwars.

[Speeza]

Well, I loved the time when the battle server was back up. No serious games were played in it, but it was used as a meeting place to plan and warm up clanwars.

Yeah I know , Some many people cared for it. Any idea when it will be ready cpp ?

[sonicnathan 1]

A 24/7 server...Great idea. I think we should host one for each type of game. I"m always wanting to play treasure hunt and there's never a server for it!

[Nonomu198]

A 24/7 server...Great idea. I think we should host one for each type of game. I"m always wanting to play treasure hunt and there's never a server for it!

I believe hotels are hosted as treasure.

[Bboy Type7]

I can host a 24/7 server. When I got to sleep, I just leave my computer to go stand by with all the dls goin. When do you want it? Hit me up.

[Speeza]

Now as its a 24/7 server lol ^^. Also make the packs have some decent levels In it. I l give you a list later , or someone else can.

[DanZeal]

I am hosting Zeal servers as much as i can...
Check http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/gip.php
now been up over 7h

[Speeza]

Yeah good job and thanks zeal. Ive noticed. :) and have been playing. and it looks like its full a lot :P.

Now just we a 24/7 battle server. if I could host again I would indeed host it.

[Bboy Type7]

Is there a JJ2 dedicated server program for hosting? Dedicated servers are really fun to play in.

[Vegito]

There should be one probably. I'll try and get monolith to post here.

[Newspaz]

I'm sure there will be tons of 24/7 servers once <strike>we</strike> I release a working dedicated server <strike>under GPL</strike>.

Heh, that way we'll have to search ten servers just to find eachother. :p

[Cpp]

There's always the server query request to get a list of players inside ;)

[Nimrod]

Digiex has dedicated Windows and Linux boxes both in the US and UK.

All we need is a working Dedicated Server Applicaton, and your see "Digiex.net" flooding the list server with games ;)

[Speeza]

Digiex has dedicated Windows and Linux boxes both in the US and UK.

All we need is a working Dedicated Server Applicaton, and your see "Digiex.net" flooding the list server with games ;)

We only need 1 or 2. Remember there are hardly any players anyway. But thanks for the nice gesture.

[Grytolle]

Speeza, what?

[Speeza]

I just think that as there isn't too much players , there be more servers online than players. Sorry If that seems stupid to anyone.

[KRSplat]

The (Monolith) Server, we miss you :(

[WadlCury]

On the moment, Falcury and I are trying to set up a 24/7 server for Karrot Shire (check this thread (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=17268) or the website (www.karrot.here.ws) ).

That's also one of the reasons why KS hasn't been hosted in a while. Don't worry! It will be hosted soon! And in a month we (hopefully) have a 24/7 KS server! =)

[kyevan]

Is there a linux dedicated server? I could maybe run a 24/7 (minus weird kernel crashes, people tripping over power cords, etc) server if there is, but otherwise...

[Birdie]

There is no released dedicated server, and I'm not sure that the private one (which isn't done to my knowledge) works with linux. The best way to run one is probably to just run a normal server and leave it on. (Sorry I can't help)

[kyevan]

Then we're screwed unless Microsoft gets their act together.

Windows isn't stable enough for a 24/7 server >_>

[Birdie]

Back when the battle server was around monolith had a script running that would restart the server if it crashed.

[Monolith]

Windows is stable enough. JJ2 isn't.

[Cpp]

There should be windows and linux versions of the dedicated server, I'm just not sure how much control over the memory/game a user should be given. Giving excessive amount of control makes it harder to make a decent GUI and just makes things more complex, but has its benefits while an easy-to-use GUI doesn't offer as much possibilities, but makes things much simpler to run.

The second thing to consider is where to draw the line between the hardcode and the script. Technically I could do the whole engine in C++ and offer a little scripting interface, but on the other hand I could do the entire engine in the scripting language and do only the core stuff in C++... sort of like the linux kernel.
Each method has its benefits and drawbacks.

[kyevan]

Windows is stable enough. JJ2 isn't.

The problem is crashing apps can take down windows, where as on linux, that almost never happens unless you crash something like X11 that touches hardware directly.

[Birdie]

My windows have crashed never, my applications have crashed uncountable times.

[Monolith]

There should be windows and linux versions of the dedicated server, I'm just not sure how much control over the memory/game a user should be given. Giving excessive amount of control makes it harder to make a decent GUI and just makes things more complex, but has its benefits while an easy-to-use GUI doesn't offer as much possibilities, but makes things much simpler to run.
Keep it clean and simple. Allow for more complex controls, but for the most part try to keep those hidden.

The second thing to consider is where to draw the line between the hardcode and the script. Technically I could do the whole engine in C++ and offer a little scripting interface, but on the other hand I could do the entire engine in the scripting language and do only the core stuff in C++... sort of like the linux kernel.
Each method has its benefits and drawbacks.
Hardcode the complete game so that it can run like a completely normal JJ2 server without any scripts. Use scripting to extend/modify beyond that. Or at least make the basic scripts built-in.

The problem is crashing apps can take down windows, where as on linux, that almost never happens unless you crash something like X11 that touches hardware directly.
I've had JJ2 crash on Windows while hosting it many, many times. Windows 98 handled it decently, and Windows 2000 and up doesn't have any trouble with it.

[Sfaizst]

In 2-4 weeks i can give u a 24h/d server, its a old one from the company where i work, i only need it to play my personal macros and programms (for my private network) on it, but, they not need the complete cpu, i would install windows 2000 server edition on it and I can give 2 or 3 persons complete acces with remote control service (if JJ and a macro for JJ is completed crashed) with windows internal service or/and teamviewer.

EDIT: Sry, but its going faster than i thing, in the compeny a other (better) server was unused, he came from a client, so today i test the server for the first 24h, than i install macros if jj is crashed or left from the list server

Sfaizst

[Sfaizst]

Ok, in the last 24h i had testet my Server, he not have any Problems, but JJ need Programms and ideas.

This programms i would start with JJ:
- Carrotade
- Cataclysm (or a similar anti cheat programm)

And i search Programms (for this Problems):
- If the list server is down?
- If JJ have an AV (all must work automatic, restart JJ,...)?
- And i search a programm to turn down the cpu usage (from 100 to 20-50)

Thx for help,
the Server come back, when i find a place for it and JJ work.

Sfaizst

[Grytolle]

cataclysm sucks (-)(-)(-) :)

Good initiative!

Ein server ist nicht maskulin in Engelsch XD

[Speeza]

Good job Sfaizst. Use neoac btw. located in the downloads section (I think)

What levels will you host ?

[Cpp]

What's strange is that this outdated Cataclysm still appears on the J2O patches page.

[Sfaizst]

Good Question, i will host Anniversary Bash 9, can i use, Carrotade and NeoAC??,
I know, my english is not the best (but i have the hardware) :)

Sfaizst

[Vegito]

wel it's anniversary bash 10 not 9 l0lz.

[cooba]

Carrotade has NeoAC's functionality already (for TSF too, unlike the original NeoAC), so no need to run it.

[Valco]

Sorry to interrupt your guys' thrilling conversation, but what happened to the battle server anyway?

[Speeza]

Dunno. So many people loved useing it D;. Inlcudeing me.

[Odin]

Ein server ist nicht maskulin in Engelsch XD

Meinst du, Das server is nicht maskulin in Englisch?

[Valco]

Ei ragh guins pard nicht English server mologne!

<STRIKE>I wonder if what I said meant anything</STRIKE>

[Monolith]

Sorry to interrupt your guys' thrilling conversation, but what happened to the battle server anyway?
I don't remember exactly how it happened, but I believe initially the problem was that it kept getting crashed in some way that my scripts couldn't recover from it. And then I started using the computer for work. And then I noticed the motherboard for the computer has bad capacitors on it, so I'm avoiding turning it on now.

[Violet CLM]

Meinst du, Das server is nicht maskulin in Englisch?
Oder dass das Server nicht maskulin auf Englisch ist?

[Sfaizst]

Wenns hier so viele Deutsche gibt, kann mir doch mit sicherheit jemand mein Deutsch zu nem besserem Englisch übersetzten oder?

Gruß Sfaizst

[Grytolle]

"Since there are so many here who speak German, can someone surely translate my German to better English, or?

Greetings,
Sfaizt!"

Your English is perfectly understandable, Sfaizt, so just keep on posting.

"Ok, in the last 24h i had testet my Server, he not have any Problems, but JJ need Programms and ideas."

"Okay. In the last 24 h, I have tested my server. It didn't have any problems, but I could use some programs and ideas."

We're not really supposed to post in German here, sorry :(

[-mo93-]

... schade^^. Since there are no german websites left, and my english is not so good, its a bit harder for me to be a member of jj2^^. This Server was good, but the only problem is, that they always killed the server...

[Sfaizst]

Its right i have a very bad english, i not was the best at school and i cannot write good answers, but i can understand you all and I hope, that the server Project not stopped at my bad english :)

Back to theme, ok, I will use Carrotade, Ab9 and I need a Programm to restart JJ and Carrotade automatic if its crashed.
!!All must work automatic!!

Sry, sry and sry for my bad English

Sfaizst

[Stijn]

Your English is nothing to apologize for, it just makes it a bit harder to understand you at times :)

What kind of program is Ab9? I think Carrotade is all you need as it comes with crash/cheating protection built-in.

I think Monolith has a solution for automatically restarting JJ2, perhaps he can help you out.

[cooba]

ab9 being the bash9 levels, I guess.

[Sfaizst]

The only problem, which i have is, that i have to restart jj2, when it crashes. And this has to work automatically, cuz i cant always watch at the server.
Also it has to start directly as the server and not as standart jj2.
The levels can be chosen after this.

I hope it is a better english (Thx to -mo93- :) )

Sfaizst

[R3ptile]

Battle Server sucked, but the idea of having a 24/7 server has a lot of potential.

[Valco]

The only problem, which i have is, that i have to restart jj2, when it crashes. And this has to work automatically, cuz i cant always watch at the server.
Also it has to start directly as the server and not as standart jj2.
The levels can be chosen after this.

I hope it is a better english (Thx to -mo93- :) )

Sfaizst

Your English is better than my French. Good enough to understand.

[Sfaizst]

So, I had written a little Programms to control JJ (with a little bit Help from an inactive JJ Player)
The Programm is doing this things:
- Restart JJ and Carrotade restart automatic after a Application Error
(Like Acces Violation, Stack Overflow,...)
- Restart JJ and Carrotade after 6 h working (automatic too)
(if list server is crashed, or my Server is not to find on list server)
- A Restart takes 2 minutes

An other Funktion from my Server:
- If the List server is crashed you can join my Server
with this Adress: JJ2.ath.cx (write in JJ under the Servers or not)

So, now I thing the Software is completed installed, the Sverer come in 2 or 3 days to his new Place and than he work his 24h.

PLEASE CREATE A BIG LVL PACK FOR THE SERVER (But its a BATTLE SERVER, not CTF,...)

, I hope you understand all

Sfaizst