A new jj.net admin: Yes or no?

[Lithium]

Because I do not want to spam the ladder with such comments,because the forum I mod is inactive,and because I want to avoid "you want an admin just because the scoring system???" questions,I'll post it here? Would you want a new jj.net admin who preferably isn't from CC,who's active and can solve your problems? I think we do need a new admin to deal with spam on the site and in the Zeals more effectively and to prevent abuse of the ladder system. What's your opinion?

[spaceboy]

Agreed fully. In fact I have no idea why I'm not an admin yet.

[cooba]

Agreed fully. In fact I have no idea why I'm not an admin yet.

[Ric]

Agreed fully. In fact I have no idea why I'm not an admin yet.

[Lithium]

Agreed fully. In fact I have no idea why I'm not an admin yet.

[master sven]

Hmm I think you should separate the Zeal servers and JJ.net.
The Zeal servers are owned by DZ and he is free to pick admins in whichever way he wants, I can't agree with that system though, almost any skilled player regardless of age is a trustee.
Without clans, there wouldnt be a ladder, so I think it should be well controlled. Preventing abuse of the ladder system doesn't seem to be a regular admin job, so I think recruiting a new one doesn't solve that problem.
Though I doubt the way the jj.net admins were chosen I think that if you have any complains you can better post a thread like this to solve them, instead of bugging admins on messenger or mail.

[spaceboy]

I've already offered myself a long long time ago, but the admin of JJ.net is 30 years old, yet immature and only picks his friends/clanmates/ex-clanmates, regardless of who the coolest person in the community truly is. :p

In fact I just wanna be an admin to make a BRFH mafia and abuse everyone.

[Ana]

why would another admin be needed? aren`t there enough admins?

[spaceboy]

Cuz there are like 10 admins from CC and barely any from other clans.

During the few days I was a trustee I banned Vulkan, and also another trustee (a random polish noob called Ktos or something).. that was awesome.

[Ana]

haha :D:D ++banning! I like banning and kicking nubz,can i be an admin?

[Anubis]

The admins of Zeal ARE separated from the admins of jj.net.
And..
ANUBIS FOR ADMIN!

[spaceboy]

At last I made them change the login password. Whee

[FawFul]

Agreed fully. In fact I have no idea why I'm not an admin yet.
Cuz there are like 10 admins from CC and barely any from other clans.

During the few days I was a trustee I banned Vulkan, and also another trustee (a random polish noob called Ktos or something).. that was awesome.

Well..:7

[spaceboy]

Yep, don't trust me! I only made JJ2WC to make my own clan win!

[Anubis]

Cuz there are like 10 admins from CC and barely any from other clans.

During the few days I was a trustee I banned Vulkan, and also another trustee (a random polish noob called Ktos or something).. that was awesome.

CC 3, NF 2, VS 2, t3 1 admin.. not 10.

[spaceboy]

Wrong
Zeal servers admins
DanZeal

Owner
Grytolle Power admin*
Nerd Power admin*
Anubis Power admin*
Hitch Admin
Vegito Power admin*
Hunter Admin
Impossibler Admin
Warrior Admin
Vivando Power admin*
Fawful Admin
Ktos Admin
Jake Admin
Djazz Admin

Shaker Moderator
SirEmentaler Moderator
Kimo Moderator
Artem Moderator
Just out of 5 "POWER ADMINS", 4 happen to be from CC.

And I see lots of noobs here who just happen to be DZ' friends.

[Lithium]

why would another admin be needed? aren`t there enough admins?

There are too many CC admins. We want an admin from GpW/CDF/a clanless admin/*insert another random clan*

Wrong

Just out of 5 "POWER ADMINS", 4 happen to be from CC.

And I see lots of noobs here who just happen to be DZ' friends.

As he said. Artem as a mod,the guy you wanted to ban a month ago?

[Vegito]

Wrong

Just out of 5 "POWER ADMINS", 4 happen to be from CC.

And I see lots of noobs here who just happen to be DZ' friends.

Power admin is something totally different than jj.net admin, just saying.
Also, its 3 CC power admins

[Lithium]

"power admin" says enough

And for the record,we actually want something to be done about this. DZ ignored all previous requests,but you won't ignore this one.

[spaceboy]

There should definitely be even more than one admin from [GpW].

If DZ had a brain, he'd use a small crew with the best people from all the big clans, regardless of who are his friends, like I did with JJ2WC. But it's DZ so..

[Lithium]

If DZ had a brain, he'd use a small crew with the best people from all the big clans, regardless of who are his friends, like I did with JJ2WC. But it's DZ so..

Well,I'd not insult DZ,but he really is biased when he gets to pick admins. And the mods are randomly picked...I mean,Artem,seriously wtf dude

[Anubis]

Power admins can do operations directly on the Zeal servers, this has NOTHING to do with jj.net or the ladder. He's hosting his own server, he can ask whoever he wants to be an admin in his own servers, be grateful you may play there, he's giving away a lot of money for these servers. And who is admin on these servers is in no way related to the moderating of jj.net and the ladder. Also, don't expect to become an admin if you say the head admin has no brain, you can't become an admin with that attitude. Artem or no Artem, it's his server, host your own server if you can, and then you get to pick the admins for it.

[Lithium]

And all goes to same: worship DZ,worship CC admins and stfu about the situation,for the Almighty Server owner will deny you acces to His kingdom of Zeals if you don't.

[spaceboy]

Artem gave cheats to RL. It must be a joke to make him a moderator.
..now he'll send a virus to my computer for saying this.

[Lithium]

Rep,I'd give you massive amounts of reputation for your posts. As you say,wtf lol,making him a mod???

[Anubis]

Thanks to Artem any kind of cheaters can easily be caught now. Cheats on JJ2 are easy to get, anyone can download cool hax 4 u and use unlimited ammo or something, are you saying it's a joke that Gry is an admin then? (He created cool hax 4 u). If you want your suggestion to be taken seriously at all, you should stay on topic. Zeal admins != JJ.net admins

[cooba]

FUN FACT: RL wouldn't have been ever caught without Artem's and Grytolle's work, which means that they'd eventually get to JJ2WC3 finals and lol in r3p's face

[spaceboy]

He just fixed all the harm he's done. Which at least makes him more decent than Orbitz. And just so you know, there are still cheaters in JJ2 that haven't been caught.

[Lithium]

Um no,we pwned RL in a fair way. Maybe they would have used cheats,but...
Let's not forget just a few months ago you all wanted to lynch Artem. And cooba,without him,RL wouldn't have had those cheats...

[spaceboy]

I love when Cooba gets into a combative mode against someone random each time.

[cooba]

FUN FACT #2: I'm rightAnd cooba,without him,RL wouldn't have had those cheats...Yeah he first gave them cheats and then changed his mind :DI love when Cooba gets into a combative mode against someone random each time.I really wish you'd stop doing this everytime someone disagrees with you

COOBA/FQUIST/STIJN/RANDOM JCF USER IS EVIL AND BIASED AGAINST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jgke]

Hmm, this would look like a good possibility to get an admin... whoops, i am dz's friend

[Vegito]

ZD admins are not something to be discussed, its a server running and DZ can decide who he trusts.

JJ.net admins is another thing, there's been discussions going on today obviously we heard what you said. Voting for an admin? Not such a great idea.

[Grytolle]

What's this "abuse of the ladder system" you speak of?

Restart the thread and filter out everything related to DZ's JJ2 servers and we might be able to have a fruitful discussion

[spaceboy]

COOBA/FQUIST/STIJN/RANDOM JCF USER IS EVIL AND BIASED AGAINST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whatever you say, those three names do make me cry in yawn.

[cooba]

do make me cry in yawn.Hi Emp! I knew that you didn't just magically disappear from JJ2.

[Toni]

FUN FACT #3: Cobba is always right.

FUN FACT #4: Zeal servers are not the same as JJ.net is. JJ.net was hosted by DZ (and Gry I think) in 2008 and it's still online. Dan hosted servers Zeal Alpha and Zeal Duels separately of JJ.net. After long period, he hosted 3 more Zeal Duels, Zeal Beta and Zeal Relaxer. Well, I'm not sure why everyone think that JJ.net is the same as ZD are, but if you think that because of 'They are banned from Zeal Servers' (in news on jj.net) you're wrong. Zeal Servers are the most popular ones in this community with The Server, and everyone plays there, so, he wanted to announce somehow that someone is banned on his server. Dan is only a good man who gives admins to the trustee people, so if you want to be an admin, don't make a rebellion. It will not help. In the worst case you can be banned from the servers. In the best case you can be an admin. But why would you need an admin? To kick/ban/etc. other people? Just call someone who can ban and he will come. As we all can see, CC is the oldest clan in JJ2, and there are trustee people for DZ. He picks admins for ZD, for JJ.net etc., so, there is no way for you guys to be an admin if you behave like this. I don't want to be an admin on Zeal Servers because everyone will call me to ban someone.

FUN FACT # >9000: Now I would like to see what will happen with my reputation, because lithium posrepped r3p because he agrees with lithium. It is 7 right now, so everyone can see it :D.

[Vegito]

Everybody thinks they're the same cause it's mostly the same admins ;-).

Having more/other admins for the ladder, I don't mind. I just don't think it's actually gonna solve problems cause the things players ask for need to be implemented. Unless the admin that would be new has the time and skills to implement things at the site, it might not make a difference ;-)

Toni has a point though. You request to be an admin although with the current behaviour if I were Dan, I'd not trust you to be of good help :p. I'd scared of what might happen to the ladder/servers instead.

Also, too many CC admins? 3 out of 9....

[spaceboy]

Hi Emp! I knew that you didn't just magically disappear from JJ2.
The spirit of Emp will go with me forever.

[Grytolle]

Toni: DanZeal is a grown man. He's way too mature to ban people from ZD because of a thread like this. (We won't ban anyone from jj.net for this either).


Possible candidates imo:

clanless: cooba
GpW: Lithium, Urbs
CDF: Treylina
id): FireSword
BRFH: r3p


Lithium and cooba are the best options imo (Urbs isn't interested)

(I did look at Y's and Cpt's member lists too)

[spaceboy]

w00t, I am by far the best option here.

[Jgke]

I am not? :(

[Anubis]

I am not? :(

Friend of DZ DIE@@@@@@@@@@

[spaceboy]

DZ has no friends.

[Skele!]

I want an admin that's not in CC. :)
Vote GpW XD

[Lithium]

Toni: DanZeal is a grown man. He's way too mature to ban people from ZD because of a thread like this. (We won't ban anyone from jj.net for this either).


Possible candidates imo:

clanless: cooba
GpW: Lithium, Urbs
CDF: Treylina
id): FireSword
BRFH: r3p


Lithium and cooba are the best options imo (Urbs isn't interested)

(I did look at Y's and Cpt's member lists too)

yay

Toni,GpW is currently the oldest clan :D

Anyway,if we're going to choose a new admin,we should do that. This isn't a "rebellion",though I like to call it "the cause of the Resistance". Ignore my phrases.

[Laro24]

Firesword and Cooba barely checks the jj2.net.(correct me if im wrong) I think Lith or r3p would do nicely. :P

[Enigma]

This is probably going to sound like a silly question, but... how exactly is CC abusing this supposed monopoly of power? I mean, are they cheating? Are they helping themselves or other clans getting undeserved wins somehow? What is your actual reasoning for complaining about this besides the number of CC admins? I don't agree with every decision they make, but they don't seem blatantly biased for or against anyone.

And I don't mean to sound depressing or anything, but... websites and servers don't really fall under the same rules that a government does. They are not subject to democracy and the people who pay for them can decide to run things on them in the way they think is best. There is no good reason why the number of admins should be distributed evenly accross clans if the current admins aren't biased. If you think DZ only picks his friends for the admin positions... well, ask yourself this question: would you make a person you don't trust an admin on a server or website you're running?

[Lithium]

If I would give random amounts of money for a server I would do what's the best for the majority,not just for me. If I have gathered a number of players visiting my server and my server gets really really popular,I'd just hand over the control to good players,those who are always ready to help. Why would I keep unpopular admins or be accused of being biased when I can help my players? In other games they'd just leave the server,but this is JJ2 with only a small amount of servers and DZ still holds the monopoly. Still,if I was on his place,I'd act like I stated above.

[spaceboy]

Yep, what do JCS'ers like FS and Cooba have to do with the competitive JJ2 scene?
No offense just stating the obvious (FS was actually very active at some point and btw a great player, but that was such a long time ago)..

Also Hunter made me lol with "I support the Lithium part" (the only reason you made that post, right?).

[spaceboy]

Actually, not being too attached to competitive play means being more objective.
Technically it just means being useless

[spaceboy]

Personal emotions are the only reason that some of you guys keep denying that I'd be the best admin ever and keep claiming that X and Y would be more suitable.

[spaceboy]

It's beyond words how you pop up out of nowhere each time only to argue with me and then disappear again.

[cooba]

It's beyond words how you pop up out of nowhere each time only to argue with me and then disappear again.COOBA/FQUIST/STIJN/RANDOM JCF USER IS EVIL AND BIASED AGAINST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:gabber:

[spaceboy]

Well I have some history with Hunter that actually proves it.

P.S. I am the most evil person on the board and is biased against everyone.

P.S.2 I am just saying that I deserve to have my e-cock sucked, not that I'd like to become an admin myself.

[ShadowGPW]

During the time of ClanBase we always selected the crew of their neutrality, not of friendship/clans and nation etc. This to prevent biasedness, so if you look it from that prespective; It's quite insane that CC has a lot of power @ JJ.net. So I blunty do understand the complains about above. (am actually little suprised about it, I never knew!)

So if you do care about the community, always listen to them and try to reorganize and review your ideas. A lesson I've learned over the years is that critism doesn't have to be negative. No, you are human and you learn.

I understand that the problem that JJ has, is ofcourse the size of it. It's a pretty small community, so the chances that you see a lot from the same clan in the same tournament concept is big.

But always TRY to spread your resources and man power. It prevents these kind of topics and the question ''what if..?'' or "but they have...?"

Also you really should redesign the ladder in overal, that it's based on skill then instead based of activity. Currently losing doesn't matter at all, because you don't get some penality in points or able to play. So clans that have for some reason less time to play (or are just small), they are always the loser No-matter-what..

This also creates the reason why people are like; ''ok we lose, care.... we will prolly win from a less skilled clan below us and even the score without a problem." It extra creates the feeling, this crew is biased with the rules. Because the rules favors them.

This is something you don't want to create in a competitive atmosphere. So I suggest review in what you have and listen to the community. Otherwise you will just nail your own coffin.

[Violet CLM]

The admins of JJ.net ARE separated from the admins of jj.net.
It was around here that I stopped understanding this thread.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Same here UR:)

Fair points from a lot of people.

If you ask me, it looks like you guys might have to conceed another spot to another admin, not beacuse things would actually get better, but mainly cuz there is a popular support for it. Nobody will get hurt and things will go back to normal soon.

Unless there's something I don't understand about the whole JJnet and jjnet divide (which might well be).

Cuz in all truthfulness, since DZ seems to be paying for our fun, I can see how he, like Enigma had already previously stated, might be encouraged to surround himself with friends.

That being said:Best of luck Lith!

[cooba]

JCS'ers like (...) CoobaI'm a J2O and JDC administrator, not a JCSerActually, not being too attached to competitive play means being more objectiveIf by "more objective" you mean "no idea what they're talking about", I can agree. I'm as closely attached to the competitive scene as someone as virtually inactive as I can be. And I do check JJ.net quite regularly, thanks Laro.



As far as the "DZ decides" debacle goes, I fully understand that the Zeal network is DZ's effort (which I, and everyone, are very thankful for), but what JJ.net should be is a community effort, and if the community has worries about the state of the staff, it should be adressed.

The actual choice of a new admin shouldn't be done by democracy though.

[spaceboy]

..and yet izo got pwn3d again.

[Lithium]

The actual choice of a new admin shouldn't be done by democracy though.

Why so? If the crew randomly picks another CCer or a guy who doesn't even care if he's an admin or not,everything we done here would be pointless. We need a guy with the support of the ACTIVE community (me :D)

But the conditions set in the first post don't require said admin to be very active in game. It speaks of the Zeal servers which are something different from the site and are not necessarily maintained by JJnet admins.

But how come every jj.net admin is also a Zeal admin? Having a new jj.net-only admin is good too,but we also need someone to effectively deal with the problems in Zeals.

[cooba]

If the crew randomly picks another CCer or a guy who doesn't even care if he's an admin or not,everything we done here would be pointless.No one from the staff has fully confirmed that a new admin will be hired - which means that this thread could as well be pointless even right now.

[Lithium]

Unfortunately that's also true :(

[spaceboy]

For those who haven't been involved with the clan scene, here's my usual guide, now adressed to those who'd like to become admins but have no clue what's going on:

CC - The champions of JJ2WC. Probably the biggest clan as well. They have a very strong leadership, but also a reputation of letting everyone who'd like to join in but never with a chance to become a warteam member, simply cuz their warteam is so fucking good.

CDF - The rebels. Mostly dutch players who had enough of being under Chiyu (the leader of CC)'s reigme, so they went to form their own clan.

GpW - Took the silver in JJ2WC. Almost as big as CC. Recently revived, arguably the oldest clantag in the game.

-t3> - Not the most active.. a small clan with oldies who pwn. They were 3rd JJ2WC.

BRFH - Another semi active clan with oldies who just pwn.. still even smaller than -t3> (BUT PWNS MORE ;)).

VS - Formerly one of the biggest clans.. they're still quite big in comparsion to the two above though, and most of their players are good. It's been this way for years: if you're polish + skilled, VS might be the perfect clan for you.

Y - The remaining members of RL that weren't banned due to cheating. Obviously not as good as RL, but still quite decent.

NF - Probably the nicest clan. Some pretty good players too. Not the best out there, but good.

Cpt. - Novice players.

[Lithium]

IMO the admin should be from GpW/CDF/clanless (also counting spaceboy)

Oh and just an edit. If the admin is clanless,he should be really active. Being a clanless admin also gets you more reports of being accused,since you can get to help a clan without most people noticing it

[[GpW]Urbs]

Lith from what see you have pretty good chances either way. I'm sorry for not throwing in my full support behind you, but I've never really cared much for all of this admin stuff. Maybe I should, but I don't.

And even if we get a new admin, and even if it is Lith/Cooba/space, there will be some candidates who won't get a shot at it. It's a zero sum game. And the way I see it, it's not even a "game" where the end goal is some grand revolution or upheaval of the current system. Sure Toni has talked about a new ladder system being implemented (opponent quality), but at the end of the day the ladder will still mainly be about activity. It's not like the football leagues where you are forced to play every week.

Which might not be a bad idea actually, because I hate how you can just say no to a clanwar unless you occupy the 1st spot on the ladder. NF didn't have to accept the challenge from Yastogs, they accepted it cuz they're nice guys. But I digress.

Now although it might seem that there is public support for a new official and although I really wouldn't mind seeing a new admin (hell we might actually get one:)), it is up to the current board to decide. And no I'm not sure whether it's the JJ or the jj board.

Oh and on a sidenote: when you guys say there are only 3 CCers you forget DZ only left CC cuz Grytolle allowed it and Viv is actually part of the strategy CC division as well:) So there is a lot of you guys there.

But I think that isn't all that relevant, seeing as how you've never really abused your powers all that much. The occasional kick will always happen I guess (although that little ladder incident with tad and danika was sort of weird, yet supposedly no admin powers were used, nvm, water under the bridge).

If we postulate that a new admin is needed then we have to look at the 3 loudest candidates (yes it's all about being loud):
1. Lithium, who has always wanted it, but was usually in a clan that wasn't viewed upon too favourably by the rest of the community, but who is, by all standards a perfectly good candidate. Probably has the popular vote. He could also play the clan card, seeing as how this might be all viewed as an extension of clan politics. JJ2WC as opposed to the ladder boasted officials from all clans, not because of merit, but because of recipocity.Let's face it, merit has very little to do here. Yet even if we look at what an admin should be like, one can't find too many faults with Ron. Watch your comments though, he wanted to ban DL just cuz she was mentioning dupe a whole lot.
Female dupe ftw btw:)

2. Cooba, who has the experience, and who has always felt a bit left out by the jjnet establishment. Here is the chance to make ammends and jjnet-ers might like the idea of uniting the two communities where they get to still keep the upper hand as it was they who "promoted" cooba to his newfound status. Appealing also because of his experience. Popular vote very much against him, as he isn't from an active clan.

3.Spaceboy. Well he is impulsive and strongheaded. That is both his strength and weakness. The admins might not view it so much as a strength, although maybe they should. He is most definitely a guy who gets the job done. And let's face it, he has grown to be more mature through the years and lately only Kenny trully pisses him off. I think he lacks popular support and I'm pretty sure the admins don't want him in their midst. BRFH also doesn't (yet) represent a strong "political" backing to his cause. Unlike cooba he is an active player though. But unlike both of the above, he mainly just plays during the weekends. Although I personally wouldn't mind at all if rep were an admin, I think his chances are pretty low. Flaming DZ won't help I think:) Sorry rep, I know I'm not acting like a friend, but I don't think you'll be the new admin.

4. Enigma. He is from NF, and seeing as how my view is that this is just clan bickering, he doesn't stand a chance in hell to get elected. People basically want another clan up there. If we take rep's decision to allow each clan to be represented in his jj2wc team as a good decision, then picking enigma is a poor PR decision from the board. In fact this is basically an issue of trust. That's why people want "their own" to be at the "epicenter". Nobody wants to be left out.
But if you look at all the other credentials Enigma is definitely a top choice. But like I said, maybe this isn't so much about the personality as it is about trust. Kind of like the monetary system, without trust, this system loses all its value and power. Unlike the monetary system here you have DZ with real servers he can shut down at any time, so the analogy only goes so far.
Plus, knowing Enigma, he's not really looking for a promotion:) And that is probably his biggest drawback:)

The 1st two candidates are a close call in my opinion (or I might be wrong), but the other two aren't in contention IMO. Again, depends on how you understand the game that is being played. I'm pretty cynical myself:)

Realpolitik and Henry Kissinger ftw:)

Well ok, not really, sexy dupe trump Kissinger any day of the week.


And why is the word sex censored on jjnet, I ask you!?!? Whoever promises to uncensor it gets my vote. I want to say GJ sexies when my polish beauties, or the sexy Ana pwn in ladders!!!!

[Lithium]

I will uncensor it,just watch your Polish

Yay for the support,it's a nice post,Urbs. You'd also make a good admin,but you do not want it...

EDIT: You also didn't know I had an experience being an admin,I served as a mod on iR/RA forums,on a RP forum (by the way it wasn't run by JJ2 players,I gained my mod rights there pretty fair for being helpful) and I was shortly an admin in my friend's SAMP server.

[spaceboy]

The best crew would be:
From CC - Veg & Gry
GpW - Lith & Urbs
VS - Sasik & War
NF - DZ & Nerd
-t3> - SJ
And possibly an admin from CDF as well (Trey).

[Lithium]

That'd be a nice crew r3p.

[cooba]

Enigma is smart, level-headed, neutral in this dispute, and is a long-time JDC official - he was there before blur, FS, and me became administrators, I think.

[Grytolle]

You guys post too much. For now, I'll just take the liberty of upgrading this to the official jj.net crew stance:


As far as the "DZ decides" debacle goes, I fully understand that the Zeal network is DZ's effort (which I, and everyone, are very thankful for), but what JJ.net should be is a community effort, and if the community has worries about the state of the staff, it should be adressed.

The actual choice of a new admin shouldn't be done by democracy though.


Edit: The new admin should be able to use php and html so he can help Nerd bugfix the site.

[Laro24]

CDF - The rebels. Mostly dutch players who had enough of being under Chiyu (the leader of CC)'s reigme, so they went to form their own clan.

Not really. I started CDF 2 years back and recruited some people. CDF became bigger and better, Treylina are one of my first members and MasterSven joined because TM died. We aren't really ''rebels'' :p

[Vegito]

I think only MS has been a CC member. Not sure about other CDFers.

[Anubis]

It was around here that I stopped understanding this thread.

Sorry, I meant the admins of Zeal :)

[Laro24]

MasterSven, Yasco, Jasmine(aka Ester) and Maximus.

[Anubis]

MasterSven, Yasco, Jasmine(aka Ester) and Maximus.
Andrzej has been in CC too.

[Foly]

Being in a clan or not being in a clan has nothing to do with the skills you need to be a good administrator.

If you want to be an admin you should be one because of the work you do, not because of the powers you get. Usually people who are asking to be one are doing it for the benefits, not for the work.

[[GpW]Urbs]

Yes I've heard the same things told of CEO's and politicians, yet looking out of my window...

I don't know, is it just me, or are things not quite so perfect out there?

[Lithium]

Being in a clan or not being in a clan has nothing to do with the skills you need to be a good administrator.

If you want to be an admin you should be one because of the work you do, not because of the powers you get. Usually people who are asking to be one are doing it for the benefits, not for the work.

Being an admin for your work? What exactly do you mean,I should show the admins my work as an admin while I'm not an admin??? Makes no sense.

If you mean "the programs you make",that means only programmers should be admins,which wouldn't be that fair.

[Anubis]

He means that people should become admins to do the work an admin is supposed to do, not for the benefits they would get.

[Lithium]

Ah. Well,that is like it should be.

(ffs CCers keep off the poll,I didn't literally mean "keep the CC crew",as they're not gonna change)

[Grytolle]

sry we didn't realize we weren't allowed to vote, nor that this poll was that serious

[Lithium]

No,I'd just people to explain why should we keep only with the CC crew. Apparently CCers get it in a different way and massively vote for that option

[Toni]

The new admin should be able to use php and html so he can help Nerd bugfix the site.

Gry wins. Good job. :D

If you mean "the programs you make",that means only programmers should be admins,which wouldn't be that fair.

I can make some programs, why I am not an admin? I am active, know to code in C, was moderator on one of the best forums in my country, was an admin on CS1.6 server (was 2nd when I was playing there, now it's lower), was an admin on the best CS1.6 server and still I am. Why shouldn't I be an admin? Well I do not want it.

Lithium, was it easier to ask DZ about this? DZ is the man who decides will there be more admins, not JCF poll. No offense, I support you in some parts, but you're not alright all the time. Ask DZ to give you admins rights and everything will be fine (if you be an admin, and don't do something stupid :p ).

[Anubis]

No,I'd just people to explain why should we keep only with the CC crew. Apparently CCers get it in a different way and massively vote for that option

"keep the CC crew" sounds as if you want to take down the current CC crew and replace it with a new one, at least to some of the people who voted it probably sounds like that :)

[Lithium]

"keep the CC crew" sounds as if you want to take down the current CC crew and replace it with a new one, at least to some of the people who voted it probably sounds like that :)

Yeah.

I can make some programs, why I am not an admin? I am active, know to code in C, was moderator on one of the best forums in my country, was an admin on CS1.6 server (was 2nd when I was playing there, now it's lower), was an admin on the best CS1.6 server and still I am. Why shouldn't I be an admin? Well I do not want it.

Lithium, was it easier to ask DZ about this? DZ is the man who decides will there be more admins, not JCF poll. No offense, I support you in some parts, but you're not alright all the time. Ask DZ to give you admins rights and everything will be fine (if you be an admin, and don't do something stupid :p ).

Well ya know,I can make some programs too,but I doubt jj.net will have use of my "Hello World",square root calculator and converting temperature in Fahrenheit to Celsius programs.

And also,you got it really wrong. This thread wasn't for me to ask DZ to make me an admin. IT'S FOR THE COMMUNITY,to get a new admin because they wanted it. And yes,I'd like to be that new admin with the support of the community.

[Lithium]

I already received a few "yes you're like that and that,we know that". Just ignore.

Anyway,LET'S VOTE? HELLO ADMINS,CAN YOU HEAR ME??? LET US ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS???

[Grytolle]

no, there's no vote

[Lithium]

So you're denying our request? What does the rest of the crew say? Has DZ said anything about this?

[Grytolle]

We're not saying there won't be a new admin, we're saying you most likely won't get to vote about it.

Besides, we don't have any candidates with PHP+HTML knowledge yet.

[FireSworD]

Toni: DanZeal is a grown man. He's way too mature to ban people from ZD because of a thread like this. (We won't ban anyone from jj.net for this either).


Possible candidates imo:

clanless: cooba
GpW: Lithium, Urbs
CDF: Treylina
id): FireSword
BRFH: r3p


Lithium and cooba are the best options imo (Urbs isn't interested)

(I did look at Y's and Cpt's member lists too)

Please, leave me out of this.

[Vegito]

We're not saying there won't be a new admin, we're saying you most likely won't get to vote about it.

Besides, we don't have any candidates with PHP+HTML knowledge yet.

That's indeed one of the major problems.
We all have ideas for solutions and such... Now to find someone who has the time to create things the way you all want it ;-)

[Lithium]

We're not saying there won't be a new admin, we're saying you most likely won't get to vote about it.

Besides, we don't have any candidates with PHP+HTML knowledge yet.

Why shouldn't we vote for an admin? Then it would be pointless to ask for one when we won't even choose him.

Anyway,we had enough. It is pointless to resist further,and the only thing I can do right now is to agree with you guys,since whatever the community does to get its own admin,it's just impossible to make a deal. All hope is gone,and we can just wait to see what our wise master says.

hail DZ

Yes,I do whine now :)

[Stijn]

There's a few major factors that decide whether site staff is fit for running a site. Obviously people need to be prepared to put aside time to work on the site. They also need to have the right skillset; if you're running a website, you'll need people who know how to handle the website code and such. Last but not least the staff needs to be able to work together as a team.

This last point is why it's a very bad idea to appoint a new staff member by popular vote. A reason why Jazz2Online staff was, until a while ago, composed of a lot of DM members was that they knew each other and thus worked together well. It's not some evil plot to gain as much power for the clan; it might as well be a simple side effect of forging a team of people who work well together.

Considering what Vegito and Grytolle said, I bet that if someone with good web coding skills who is willing to spend time on improving JJ.net and can work together with the current staff shows up, he'll be taken in regardless of clan allegiance.

[ShadowGPW]

There's a few major factors that decide whether site staff is fit for running a site. Obviously people need to be prepared to put aside time to work on the site. They also need to have the right skillset; if you're running a website, you'll need people who know how to handle the website code and such. Last but not least the staff needs to be able to work together as a team.

That you should require the right skillset is kinda obvious, but there are more fishes in the sea then just your local fishing pool. You just need to check else where some now and then.. otherwise you keep on getting the same fish.

People feel the pressure that it's somewhat biased and somewhat unfair with the rules. If you are to ignorant to listen to that, then you don't have the right skillset for the community. Listen to that and don't just wave it off with one-liners.

A reason why Jazz2Online staff was, until a while ago, composed of a lot of DM members was that they knew each other and thus worked together well.

Actually J2O had way more members from different clans then you think. But ofcourse MERC and DL had to merge for some reason ;p

It's not some evil plot to gain as much power for the clan; it might as well be a simple side effect of forging a team of people who work well together.

No no no, the people aren't complaining about that. Yes, they believe that the current crew has their best intentions, however want to see a different color and voice there.

The voting is more about people wanting to see a change, not on voting who it's gonna be.. but putting up a vacancy and ask the people WHY they would like to be a supervisor. That's a good start, instead of handpicking people from your friends group ;-). I'm just saying....

I would put up something like this;

''We are currently about to expand the JazzJackrabbit.net Crew to guarantee that all of our upcoming cups do have a high quality and a good coverage. Your job would be to fill the open position as Cup Supervisor, with a possible promotions in the future.

General requirements:
In-depth knowledge of the community.
Must be up to date on the game all the time.
Very active and willing to invest his/her time to help the community out.
Must be available on IRC (QuakeNET) and must participate on forums.
Good knowledge of written English.
(Cup) admin experience.
Must be able to work together within the Crew.

Are you the person we are looking for? Then fill out this application!"

[Stijn]

Actually J2O had way more members from different clans then you think. But ofcourse MERC and DL had to merge for some reason ;p
I worded that poorly. The J2O staff was perceived as a close-knit group primarily composed of people of a select few clans. Which was the case, but also had its reasons.

The voting is more about people wanting to see a change, not on voting who it's gonna be..
I don't know what thread you're talking about, but Lithium has been pretty literal with his proposal of "voting for a new admin".

[ShadowGPW]

I worded that poorly. The J2O staff was perceived as a close-knit group primarily composed of people of a select few clans. Which was the case, but also had its reasons.

I know what you mean ;-) I wasn't to serious in my reply anyway.

I don't know what thread you're talking about, but Lithium has been pretty literal with his proposal of "voting for a new admin".

Yes, but not about WHO it is going to be, because we aren't voting some names now are we? People are just talking about people that have the potention to be one.

Nothing bad about that. Discussions are good !

[Lithium]

Shadow,you really have a point. We want to see some changes,and here we are not voting for someone to be a new admin,we're voting for the crew to get a new admin. Anyway,until DZ comes here and posts,we'll just stop the discussion about his servers and deal with the site.

Stijn,I'd actually like to vote for a specific person AFTER the crew says we can vote for a new admin,but that's not likely to happen.