So Arjan left Boss Key to join Epic Games

[ShadowGPW]

Sooo... this happend. He's back at Epic Games for a secret project. Let's speculate :-)

https://twitter.com/arjanbrussee/status/939176233245511681

[DoubleGJ]

100% it's a Jill of the Jungle remake

[Jelly Jam]

Unreal Tournament?

[Darkhog]

Don't get hyped. Most likely it's either Fortnite, new UT (the one that's completely free) or general UE4 improvements. I mean, Arjan is a pretty badass programmer.

Of course if it would be JJ-related I'd be more than happy, but I don't expect or even hope (hop? [rabbit face emoji here because JCF hates emojis and replaced it with question mark blocks]) for it to not set up myself for disappointment.

[Jelly Jam]

I mean it's like a perfect collision of stars, can it really all be just a coincidence? Everything's happening so fast.

[Darkhog]

I mean it's like a perfect collision of stars, can it really all be just a coincidence? Everything's happening so fast.

I'd treat it as such until we have details what that secret project is. If it's JJ, great. I'd more than happy. It probably wouldn't work on my craptop because it'd be most likely powered by UE4, even if it'd be 2d, but I'd be happy nevertheless. If not, I'm not letting myself get excited over this so I won't be disappointed if it's not JJ-related.

For now better treat it as case of "LawBreakers didn't work out as planned, so Arjan returned to previous company where he knew he'd have guarantee of employment." Because, frankly, LB didn't work out despite being a fun game. If they'd stick to the original plan of making it F2P, then maybe it would be good. And frankly I think they should've make LB a F2P title. Overwatch was a thing when LB was still in development, I mean. And F2P games don't have to be predatory, just look at Path of Exile or Warframe.

[Jelly Jam]

Jazz Mania, anyone?

Also 2D sidescrollers with full 3D enviroments usually don't mix IMO

[Darkhog]

Jazz Mania, anyone?

Also 2D sidescrollers with full 3D enviroments usually don't mix IMO

2D games are possible. Someone tried to remake JJ2 in UE4 as purely 2D game. I don't have a link now, but it's somewhere on the JCF (it's abandoned though, I think).

Also I'd have nothing against JJ3D with Sonic Utopia-styled gameplay (obviously with gun).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBZgk8gJc6g

But again, I don't think it's new JJ, would be happy if it was, but I don't want to be disappointed if it isn't. For now I think it's just a case of "my new game is failing, our company's funds are near 0, but my old buddy is a CEO of a company I've worked at 20 years ago, so he will give me a job with job security attached."

[luke11685]

Epic Games employees don't have body guards only lawyers are enough for them.

[Roobar]

They are certainly cooking something! Exciting!11111

[luke11685]

More speculation details on Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/Ins0mnia/status/939402874043404288

[ShadowGPW]

thats me :P

Did you notice? Arjan and his wife liked alot of messages containing "Jazz Jackrabbit/Jazz 3D". Most notabily the guy behind Vines.

[Jelly Jam]

Maybe he just finds the Jazz speculations cute?

[luke11685]

Maybe next miracle could be Nick Stadler and Robert Allen returning to Epic Games someday. So does Arjan Brussee and his wife have dreams to revive and make complete full version of Dean Dodrill's old vision of Jazz jackrabbit 2 sequel?Btw who's the guy behind Vines? Vines is this some sort of pc game? What should be fixed on https://www.jazz2online.com/j3f/ I didn't notice any changes.

[ShadowGPW]

because the changes aren't added yet. I've just started working on an updated version hahaha

[luke11685]

So did I talk with you on Twitter?

[Darkhog]

Don't get hyped because you will be disappointed when it turns out it's not JJ3. I prefer to expect nothing and get very happy when it turns it is JJ3. But most likely it isn't.

Also, it wouldn't be a true JJ without Bleszinski at the helm, so...

[Primpy]

Hey, one can only hope. An "exciting project" could mean anything, really. Let's not jump to conclusions and let time pass by.

[luke11685]

thats me :P

Did you notice? Arjan and his wife liked alot of messages containing "Jazz Jackrabbit/Jazz 3D". Most notabily the guy behind Vines.
Are you sure?How do you know?Prove it.I don't believe you.

[ShadowGPW]

Are you sure?How do you know?Prove it.I don't believe you.

prove what? :)

[luke11685]

That you update this website https://www.jazz2online.com/j3f/ do you have permission from Epic Games? That's my reason and explaination of my proof. Do you want to edit articles first?Inside this website.

[ShadowGPW]

ok buddy, let's stop this pointless discussion and get back on topic.

[luke11685]

You're right. Yes indeed.

[Jelly Jam]

Wow these forums need more theorists :/

[luke11685]

Like that ones from youtube including Matthew Patrick?

[Roobar]

There's no need for theorists. I mean it must be obvious by now. 1. Epic receives a lot of UE4 projects from the fans. Like literally hundreds. What if some of these are jump'n'run platformers? What if one of these got their attention and making them into thinking "Hmm, this is actually quite a good one! It might come as a quite good new JJ game! Only if we can get some talented programmer to lead this project.". So they might have contacted Arjan. 2. But before his decision was made, they also have contacted GOG and JJ2+ team to release the JJ2. Everything turned out smoothly, so they have released it. It may be to satisfy the fans, to "test the waters" or to get people talk about Jazz again. The response was good enough, because... 3. Arjan joined Epic! Couldn't it be more obvious than this? The guy involved in creation of JJ1 and 2, a very good and talented programmer, just happens to join Epic after the GOG release. He would be the ideal lead programmer of a JJ dedicated team. Coincidence? I think not. 4. What's more needed? A talented artist. Unfortunately, Noogie's twitter profile don't indicate anything happening, like he doesn't care anymore. But. He also has just finished his latest game. He now just needs to publish it. What if, after that, also joins Epic? Just like Arjan! Will there be any doubt yet?

[luke11685]

Well Dean Dodrill made his second indie game it's kind of like parody of Metal Gear Solid.If Dean Dodrill and Alexander Brandon won't back to Epic Games at least Robert Allen as sound composer and Nick Stadler as artist if they will return to Epic Games maybe we will see his 3d modelling skills on GDC 3D animations at this time because usually in 90's he was making pixelart sprites and animations for jazz jackrabbit. Nowadays thanks to some video games journalists Nickadoo could be more recognizable.
Btw what Andrew Sega as co-music composer doing now? I mean does he still composing music for video games?He was composing music with Alexander Brandon for unfinished alpha demo of Jazz Jackrabbit 3.

[DcNdrew]

Jazz is some kind of parody of other games and movies, so if they decide to do a new game, it has to be it again.
For example: Jazz and Eve married, they have a girl (obviously) who disappeared one day (obviously). The aged Jazz and Spaz go to shoot Devon out of his shell and ruin his lab. Devon and Jazz start to yelling at each other, but it comes out that Devon absolutely doesn't know anything about the disappearance. Devon has a son (a clone actually) who has an idea where should the girl be. So Devon's son and Jazz go for the rescue.

The game should has clichés and easter eggs as many as it's tasty. For example when it comes out that the kid is a clone he just plays with a voice modulator and he says on a high pitched voice: "I am different" and so on.

I would love that. :D

[DcNdrew]

I just.... :D
Devon's son is a geek and always playing with his phone. On a part of the game there is a scene where David (a name for example) found something. He shows the phone to Jazz.
On the app – called Tender – is a girl.
David: "Is she her?"
Jazz: "YES! Where is she?!"
David: "Let's try it..."
On the phone there is two options: Nah and Date. Jazz is too quick to judge and when David tries to click on Date (slow as a turtle), Jazz shouts "Don't even dream!" and click on Nah.
David without any emotion turns to Jazz and says: "Sir, you just fucked up."
Jazz: "What?! WHY?!"
Aaaand so they have to search for her again. :D

[luke11685]

I bet Razz A'ma Tazz in jazz jackrabbit 3 could be Jazz Jackrabbit's mentor,right?

[Jelly Jam]

Lol nice plot

[luke11685]

So Jazz Jackrabbit as king in third installment got surname Jazz Earlong and his wife Queen Eva Earlong have two children.I guess some prince and princess one of them is named Cosmo Earlong.By the way are these concept art image references are officially confirmed to be real not fake? https://ionutjazz96.deviantart.com/art/Jazz-Jackrabbit-386562978

[ShadowGPW]

Alex B just brought the H back in hope.

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/27173445_10214876177326047_6547877057546822900_o.j pg?oh=b56a2af4c5edf6bcd580b35ef53db0cc&oe=5AE923A0

[Jelly Jam]

:D:D:D

[Slaz]

Things are certainly moving in the right direction.

In other news, about 2 days ago Epic announced the closure of their MOBA/Shooter Paragon. Apparently they had problems balancing it and building a sustainable player base. Now more employees should be able to work on ... together with Arjan. 8D

[Roobar]

What if they're working on a new Unreal game rather than a new Jazz game? There's some buzz about reviving Unreal lately too...

[luke11685]

I noticed that most of skins can't be unlocked in unreal Tournament 4(it's unfinished like original Jazz Jackrabbit 3 demo) so it seems they preferred to be focused on different game projects Paragon,Fortnite...etc.It seems Epic Games is busy with cloudgine technology for Fortnite.So they don't have plans for new Jazz Jackrabbit game.

[Jelly Jam]

https://i.imgur.com/yIXWVP8.png

The end?

[Violet CLM]

lol rip

[Slaz]

Jazz would be lots of money and resources put into a niche market.

Fortnite is running on a trend everyone wants to play, including your little brother.

That’s the sad truth. Nothing against Fortnite and I’ll try the tablet version, although I do prefer the regular co-op Fortnite game anyday.

[Roobar]

https://i.imgflip.com/90op6.jpg

[luke11685]

Well according to Twitter account of Epic Games community manager Stacey Conley they don't have plans for Jazz Jackrabbit 3,yet.I mentioned there year 2022.So what's his next game project btw?

[Primpy]

My smile and optimism: Gone.

<img src="https://i.imgur.com/wEtiffN.jpg" height="400" width="300" alt="" />

[luke11685]

At least Insomniac Games rebooted Ratchet and Clank 1 on PS4 of original PS2 game.Capcom made Megaman 10 sequel aka Megaman 11.Activision is planning to port Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy(PS4)for PlayStation 4(it was one year exclusive),Nintendo Switch,PC Steam and Xbox One.Reboot of original Spyro psone trilogy is comming up including remake of Crash Team Racing.Who knows maybe Epic Games will re-release Jazz Jackrabbit Advance for Nintendo Switch or next Nintendo Home console I mean successor of Nintendo Switch.Maybe Epic Games at least port Jazz Jackrabbit 1&2 on ios(exclusive just like Fortnite) or android or ios and android(just like 2013 mobile ports of Sonic 1&2 thanks to sega)maybe in Jazz Jackrabbit's upcomming 40th anniversary we'll see Jazz Jackrabbit 3 demo from Unreal Engine 1 ported to Android or PC Steam.Perhaps Jazz Jackrabbit 2 sequel(2038-2040) as full version powered by Unreal Engine 4 or 5.How long Epic Games and Tencent Holdings Limited will be focused only on Fortnite?Waiting for Jazz Jackrabbit 3 is just like waiting for Half-Life 3 it takes eternity.

[Jelly Jam]

We'll talk it all through on Anniversary Bash 52 which I will be hosting.

[luke11685]

For example back to the early 90's Sega(American-Japanese company) showed real passion and love to Sonic The Hedgehog same for Nintendo(japanese company) in mid-80's showed passion and love to Super Mario Bros. they showed lots of TV commercials why Epic Games(american company)didn't launch tv commercials for Jazz Jackrabbit in times where YouTube didn't exist,yet?What if in 1994 at least Jazz Jackrabbit 1 was ported on Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis or Mega CD/Sega CD and SNES not only PC exclusive.The past has a big influence on the present and future.Here's a proof of Jazz Jackrabbit 3:
https://i.imgur.com/XIyADWI.png I guess there's still shard of a hope guys.

[Jelly Jam]

But your screenshot says the exact oposite. She literaly said that they're not planning a new Jazz. But yeah, who knows what can happen in the future. At least one of the developers is back at Epic.

Besides I think Jazz3 isn't worth adding to this topic anymore. Arjan joined Epic, we found out what his secret project was, the end.

[luke11685]

So this thread should be closed,right?Can admin close this thread,please?I hope someday Cliff Bleszinski,Alexander Brandon,Dean Dodrill,Nick Stadler,Robert Allen,Andrew Sega,Michiel Van Den Bos,Nando Eweg just like Arjan Brussee came back to Epic Games.It's not known if this gonna happen it might never gonna happen it's hard to say.She(Stacey Conley)literally said next time(speaking of jj3) if I could interpret her words.

[Stijn]

If you have to "interpret her words", by definition it's not what she literally said. Epic currently has no plans for a Jazz Jackrabbit game (that they are willing to acknowledge to the public), end of story, unfortunately.

No reason to close this thread at this point. Just don't post in it until you have anything useful to contribute, e.g. when there's further (hopefully Jazz-related!) news with regards to Arjan Brussee's role at Epic.

[luke11685]

Who knows maybe Epic Games will make new Jazz Jackrabbit pc game(maybe multiplatform)in one condition only if original Jazz Jackrabbit 1,2&3 development team willI join(just like Arjan Brussee)to Epic Games,but I don't believe in miracles.It's never gonna happen.I mean these people https://www.jazz2online.com/j3f/jj3credits.htm

[Jelly Jam]

Well they don't technically have to join Epic in order to work with Arjan. But again that's very unlikely to happen.

[luke11685]

So there's only possible chance that only Arjan Brussee and Fortnite development team(they made Jazz Jackrabbit easter egg in Fortnite so Epic Games wants to re-release Jazz Jackrabbit 1&2 on GOG I guess I'm not sure they did it already) will make new Jazz Jackrabbit pc game someday.Even if Epic Games will unfinish jazz jackrabbit new demo only it will be visible on Epic Games Launcher just like Unreal Tournament 4(it was never finished pc game)because some skins are locked.If Epic Games could finished in late 90's at least Jazz Jackrabbit 3 re-released on GOG,but it didn't happen sadly.

[Slaz]

In case anyone here with an iPhone or iPad would like to try Arjan’s mobile adaptation of Fortnite, here are some codes:

https://fortnite.com/mobile?code=M5RJ722WSR7MBQQNCVUL

https://fortnite.com/mobile?code=YVCG6TK8HX2HU36DBTAZ

https://fortnite.com/mobile?code=TBFULS8UHMF7AC6PGNCD

[luke11685]

I'll be waiting for Fortnite Android port.Btw would you to play Fortnite PC version with me guys?Anyone interested?

[Magma Dragoon]

It seems very unlikely a new Jazz will ever happen, unless it's made by a third party company under license from Epic (like that GBA game). But then again, after freaking Bubsy got revived of all things I don't doubt it is possible.

I still dream of a new Tyrian and One Must Fall too.

[luke11685]

It seems very unlikely a new Jazz will ever happen, unless it's made by a third party company under license from Epic (like that GBA game). But then again, after freaking Bubsy got revived of all things I don't doubt it is possible.

I still dream of a new Tyrian and One Must Fall too.
But which company could be a publisher of new Jazz Jackrabbit?Jaleco Entertainment was founded in 1974 and this company bankrupted in 2014.Will Arjan Brussee someday find a new publisher.I'm afraid Epic Games won't sell Jazz Jackrabbit to another game company just like Naughty Dog added Crash Bandicoot easter egg in Uncharted 4 so now Activision owns licence for Spyro and Crash.If Microsoft owns a licence for Gears of War maybe they can own Jazz Jackrabbit lince if Epic Games will allow this company.Imagine new Jazz Jackrabbit with microtransactions and lootboxes it's just what Electronic Arts did with Star Wars Battlefront 2 could you still enjoy it?I hope new Jazz Jackrabbit won't(end up)be like Metal Gear Survive(I think it's spin-off/cross-over not canonical) different protagonist and different characters.At least Microsoft and Rareware made remake of Conker's Bad Fur Day for Xbox 360 aka Conker: Live & Reloaded,but Rareware also re-designed Conker by using Holo-Lence technology Epic Games 8 years ago also re-designed Jazz Jackrabbit iOS demo which was very bad idea.What if in future Epic Games will be updating on gog.com Jazz Jackrabbit 2 endlessly?Just like Valve Software is doing with their own IP pc games.

[Ja22]

In my personal opinion, just as someone mentioned before, Jazz Jackrabbit was a parody of games and films (and also turned out to be pretty good by itself), which doesn't mean it neccesarily needs to have a sequel. At least from the point of view of the creators, they made a game which is complete in all ways, they probably don't see many reasons to create a new Jazz game, it would only satisfy a small fanbase and it seems like the creators aren't interested in JJ so much. I find the release of the games on GOG as a satisfying step, people can finally buy these games easily, and that's pretty much all they seemingly wish to do with the JJ series.

[Festive_meadmoonlight]

But then again, after freaking Bubsy got revived of all things I don't doubt it is possible.


Yes; I was thinking about that; Sonic Mania as well:
What is amazing is that Jazz 2 continues on as an incredibly forward thinking and reconfigurable game/audiovisual art! Jazz 2 may be one of the most future-proofed games of all time; perhaps thanks to Epic having learned from ZZT!!

It is possible that what they have learned from porting Fortnite would help them create a 3D multiplayer for a potential new version of Jazz? I feel like they might be looking to a main game with 2D levels, with 3D gameplay to travel between planets, and 3D multiplayer! There could be level creation options for each of those!

They may even be waiting to make a new Jazz that would include some Unreal Engine VR components, rather than appear to be late to the 90s creative animal platformer revival! Perhaps the VR could be optional and would otherwise be seen in 3D graphics; which might be many years away for the technology to really be at the proper baseline, but far fewer than one might think!

Consider experiencing a CTF or even Treasure Hunt match in VR, roaming through a world created by one or many people from here; or placing on whatever the relevant vision device would be at the time, to travel to the next level's planet in what would feel like 4D! :) :)

[luke11685]

Guys that's my own thoughts about Jazz Jackrabbit future very grim.
https://i.imgur.com/UxR1kDT.jpg

[Love & Thunder]

Guys that's my own thoughts about Jazz Jackrabbit future very grim.
[Goddamn giant picture that's a pain in the ass to snip on mobile]
Don't be so dramatic. If it is dead, it died back in 2004. So, at worst, nothing has changed.

[luke11685]

I would rather expect from Epic Games finding publisher like Slipgate Studios for Jazz Jackrabbit 3 or just reboot Jazz Jackrabbit 1 this game studio rebooted Rise of the Triad.So credits in Rise of the Triad got photos of old and new development team speaking of cutscenes Rad Rodgers and new Rise of The Triad had that comic book cutscenes from Max Payne 1.Btw Witcher also had early version from 1997(old development team actually few people left CD Projekt before this company became CD Projekt Red) which was just cancelled just like Jazz Jackrabbit 3 from 1999 so 10 years later Witcher 1 was revived and finished in 2007.Actually CD Projekt in mid-90's was game company,in late 90's game studio and nowadays it's corporation just like Valve.So in that case there's still a chance for forth new Jazz Jackrabbit game in future.Also Half-Life 1 Alpha(1997-1998)&Half-Life 2 Beta(1999-2003) diffferent than final products.