Jazz 2 800*600???

[Cpp]

Heya. Anyone got any ideas about how to make jazz's resolurion 800*600 pixels? The highest I can make is 640*480 but that can be done in the options menu. Is there any way (like memory editing, I tried but jj2 always crashes) to make it 800*600? Hehe! It'd be fun to see further :P

[~SPLASH~]

I don't think that is "fun". It would enable you to see people before they see you, giving you an unfair advantage...next to all other advantages that are already there!

[Newspaz]

I have tried it by changing memmory addreses. But somehow, I was only able to change the width (640 to 800). And when I did I could see what was behind me in front of me.

Not a big succes :-/.

[Cpp]

Originally posted by ~SPLASH~
giving you an unfair advantage

I already got alot of UNFAIR DISadvantages.

[Aiko]

Overlord, you suck. Please search for another game you can "hack" from A to Z.

[Blink]

Overlord has a talent, and he shouldnt waste it ;)
If he makes this possible, it would be cool, especially if he makes it downloadable for everybody, and i dont see why he wouldnt make it a public file. IF he ever succeeds to make it.

[Txl Kill]

aiko shutup the only reason i used to stay on this game was because of J2HG!

[Cpp]

Originally posted by Aiko
Overlord, you suck. Please search for another game you can "hack" from A to Z.

And you play your own god... ELSEWHERE.

[FQuist]

It has been done in the past.

Aiko, no personal attacks. I don't even believe Overlord still devotes his life to making it easier for cheaters.

Txl Kill, no fights. I have warned you before.

[Txl Kill]

yes, hehe sorry! I just stick up for my friends

[Kaz]

Well it is <S>sort of</S> Overlord's fault we have more cheating people.

[Txl Kill]

WHAT?!? He has nothing to do with any cheaters! None of his programs alow people to cheat!

[Lama]

Txl kill, I think Kaz is trying to say that some people get <i>inspired</i> by Overlord's programs to cheat.

Overlord's publicly available programs do not allow people to cheat. The Anti-Access Violation patch was very useful, Project T makes it easier to make colored text, and Project Cataclysm even <i>helps to stop cheating</i>. All of the other programs that can be used for cheating are protected by keys which makes it difficult for the average cheater to use them (though the experienced cracker may break through). Also, I have <i>never</i> seen Overlord cheat. It is just that some people may misunderstand his intentions, that's all. Take yourself, for example, you made a megawarp program that was copied off Overlord's program (Reference: J2HG board).

I'm not saying that hacking is synonymous with cheating because I know that those two are very different things. Link's Chatlog, for example, was brought about by hacking and so was pennywise's XJJ2 yet both of those programs don't allow people to cheat.

[Black Ninja]

hmm....i am going to try this, overlord. i will post a message on the j2hg private section and tell you what happens.

[Enendar]

black ninja.. your sig is lacking the punch line of that joke

Phone: RING

person 1: hello

person 2: do you have prince albert in a can?

person 1:*looks at his chewing tobacco* yes i have him right here

person 2: well you better let him out before he suffocates *click*

[defalcon]

Yes! DO this! I've wanted to have JJ2 play at a larger resolution for ages, cause my monitor is running at a high enough resolution that I have to adjust the screen size to make it fit.

[Michael]

This is gunna becoemk a flame war >_<

[DrJones]

I for one wish Jazz ran at 1024x768 :)
Single player only though, or it wouldn't be fair as it has been said.

[Cesar]

Everything is going to get so small; it gets interesting... for a while.

[Haze]

Hmm, higher resolutions... maybe if we can get that into v1.25, that would be great. :) As mentioned, single player only though. A good remedy would be to have the screen fade out on the sides with high resolution while playing a multi-player game. The engine already supports these features with ambient lightning.

[Aiko]

So far, i've seen nothing useful from this guy.

I just visited his website again. In the download section there are programs like "Address Calculator" (that helps you with hacking and cheating, as far as i understand it), "Project Inormer v2.0" (that gives me, as he puts it, "really useful information" about other players; i wonder what that could be), "Jazz 2 Ultra warp v1.01" (the last months, when i joined JJ2 servers, there were dozens of 12-year-olds babbling about a program called "Megawarp", which will help you to warp from one point to another in a level; i guess there is some connection between those programs). To run his episode, you need to start a COM-file. And so on and so on. That's just not my style. Sorry.

Sure, you may say that i'm just envious because of his obviously very good coding skills, but that's really not that point. I only think that if someone has talent in that field (like Overlord), he or she should use it for positive, good, helpful, useful stuff.

Also, a large part of the problem is that he can't keep all his insider knowledge for himself (like Pennywise, Cheeze, Everlasting, Shadow and some others did and do). If he would cheat, okay, i wouldn't care. But if he *publishes* a program that helps all those other losers cheating, i don't like that very much.

I've been playing this computer game for a pretty long time now, and i'm really a big fan of it. Regarding "hacking" and unfair cheating, the scene has definitely changed the last months. Mr. Overlord's role in this process in not as unimportant, as some of you may think. If you really didn't recognize that, i wonder how much you really care about JJ2.

By the way, XJJ2 and ChatLogJJ2 are great and useful programs, imho. I'm really looking forward to the new version of the latter (finally TSF support :-). Not to mention Jazz2Organizer by MetalWarrior, which is very underestimated.

[Monolith]

Hmm.. maybe we could go for 1280x1024 and then I could make the Battle Server my desktop ;)

Thinking about how screen resolutions are set in actual code, I don't think it would be just as easy as editing a couple memory addresses.. You'd have to catch the variables at a very specific time in the program (me thinks).

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

I'd also guess jj2 only views certain things at a max resolution so things wouldnt even show up if you could make the thing bigger. also, Im sure jj2 only keeps track of certain things when players are alway in the level. at a higher resolution, it wouldnt keep track.

[Newspaz]

Originally posted by Newspaz
I have tried it by changing memmory addreses. But somehow, I was only able to change the width (640 to 800). And when I did I could see what was behind me in front of me. (in the 320 pixels extra)

Not a big succes :-/.

Yep Diz, it gives the effect I described in here before.

[Cpp]

Originally posted by Aiko
So far, i've seen nothing useful from this guy.

That's because you have no respect for me.
And BTW if you would look just a LITTLE closer to my programs you'd see that every "cheating" program is protected with at least some sort of security. Even address calculator has it. You don't see it but its there so stop despising me. I'm a big fan of jj2 too, you know so why would I destroy it? Give me a good reason.

Ow! And if the community demands so I can put them off.

Hehe, Aiko! No, I'm not just another newbie out of nowhere like you think :lol:


NOBODY CAN CRACK MY PROGRAMS
*evil laugh*

[Lama]

Overlord's "cheating" programs are password protected so whoever downloads them cannot use them right away. The protection WILL stop the average user. If he took out portions of the code to totally disable the functions even after the key is obtained, then his programs are uncrackable.

The cheaters <i>could</i>* be using the crazy warp program of Txl Kill's, which, according to Overlord, is basically a copy of his mega warp. Or maybe they've found the correct memory addresses and values for it by themselves via game hack or a similar memory searching\editing utility so it's not fair to automatically blame Overlord.

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*this means they might be, I am not saying that they do use Txl Kill's crazy warp program or any of his programs to cheat

[~SPLASH~]

Why even bother creating cheating devices? Protected/Uncrackable or not. By creating stuff like this you will create a risk. It is like creating a device to blow up earth, and then say: "hey dont worry - it has no batteries!" - that doesn't mean it is useless.

(Im not saying Overlord is stupid, I like his Omega program, and some others as well. I just think the cheating devices suck. :p )

[Black Ninja]

i tried memory editing the addresses that would make the game change resolutions. the resolution screwed up for a bit, then crashed. it was, however, beginning to work before the crash.

[Lama]

Originally posted by ~SPLASH~
Why even bother creating cheating devices? Protected/Uncrackable or not. By creating stuff like this you will create a risk. It is like creating a device to blow up earth, and then say: "hey dont worry - it has no batteries!" - that doesn't mean it is useless.

(Im not saying Overlord is stupid, I like his Omega program, and some others as well. I just think the cheating devices suck. :p )

Maybe he just wanted to test his skills or do a programming exercise; I don't think his programs were made to blow up the earth then say don't worry it has no batteries.

I mean, if I can program and I want to take JJ2 apart and see what I can do with it, there is no stopping me. If I want to release those programs just for the purpose of wrecking the community, I wouldn't bother to protect them and would even highly publicize them so that everybody would be able to use them.

Thankfully, Overlord is not like that, he just probably wants to exercise his programming skills. If his program doesn't have any real danger potential, he releases in unprotected, like his Anti-Access Violation Patch and if and when it does, like in MegaWarp, he makes sure it's well-protected. So that when you download it, you cannot use it unless you can crack it. And, since, according to him, the programs are well protected, you must be an experienced cracker to get through them.

[Krezack]

Heh and i doubt many kids know how to crack....i hope at least.

[Lama]

Originally posted by Krezack
Heh and i doubt many kids know how to crack....i hope at least.

Good point. Also, I don't think any J2HG member, besides Overlord and probably Link, knows enough ASM and has enough experience to crack it.

[Aiko]

There is no point in publishing these programs *at all*.
If he wants to practice his coding skills, let him do that. At home, on *his* little PC.

P.S.:
If you had followed how things developed, you would have noticed that it took a long time and some discussion before Overlord realized what he was doing (and only after that, he built the "protection" modes into them).

[Newspaz]

Aiko, you know Overlord also made some anti-cheat programs.. Right?

[Kaz]

Hmm, and yeah, they should ethier not support jj2 (lol) or not be distrubituted for that program that finds the hex adress that's being modified.

Newbie hackers are very unsensitive to what they're doing to the surroundings =P.
Oh yeah, and he could be doing it for popularity =\, although I sort of doubt that (and sort of don't in the same way, just a logical inference).

[Kaz]

Oh yeah, incase you haven't already seen, it's a direct draw error... basically yeah, you would need to edit the coding.

[Krezack]

I tend to agrea why not add a little function like this: user clicks cheat button on trainer>trainer cheats, trainer wrights i am cheating in the chat.

that way it wouldnt matter as youd just kick the cheaters as soon as the message came up....

[Lama]

Aiko, the programs could be used for <i>level debugging\testing\experimenting</i> purposes (i.e. in single player levels), even if there are cheat codes you can type, they have their limits and it is way easier to click on a button to activate. I know that this makes cheating in multiplayer games easier but if the program is unusable, it won't be a hazard.

Take into account that he is not the only one who has made programs for cheating in JJ2. A lot of people before him have been hacking JJ2 (like mezz who made one of the first level depassworders and pennywise who made xjj2) or using memory searching\editing programs to cheat in multiplayer games (I can name names, if you wish).

Thirdly, who are we to tell him what to do? I agree completely that cheating is bad and will ruin the community but helping people cheat in JJ2 is not exactly Overlord's objectives. As Newspaz said, he made anti-cheating programs as well, which he could easily have chosen not to do. I think he just made the "cheating" programs to show what he can do to mature and responsible people who are not interested in cheating, but are interested in the inner workings of a program.

Also, I did follow how things developed. Even before he made this topic, his programs were already protected, and I think the people who have visited his webpage before this topic will know about that.

[Krezack]

My idea is good! use it!

[Kaz]

I've thought about something like that, but it would be a problem in idle servers.

[Krezack]

Ay, but its much better then the normal protections overlord uses.

[MaGoo]

I claim the second page!

Anyways, I don't think there is a major cheating problem in Jazz right now. Sometimes I see the occasional annoying Megawarp user or something but cheating on this game is really boring after a while.

[Teej]

Why not....Jazz2 at 1240x1024 ??

That would rock!

Need high res all the time!

[Phoneix]

Originally posted by Txl Kill
WHAT?!? He has nothing to do with any cheaters! None of his programs alow people to cheat!
Originally posted by Akio
So far, i've seen nothing useful from this guy.

Okay, Overlord, I'm on your side.

Now; Kill, Akio; He has made a very useful cheating program for JJ2 and the (now rare, I may have only copy left) program did NOT, I repeat, NOT have a password protection on his site. He took it down and I beleive never put it back on. Overlord, you know what I am talking about here, correct? If not, just PM me and I can give you your 411 again.

Please, I am not going to distribute it without overlord's Okay.

[Lama]

Assuming what you said is true, at least he had sense enough not to release unprotected potentially dangerous programs again.

Krez, have you tried cracking Overlord's normal protection?

[Txl Kill]

ohhh i know what your talking about... i think but that wasnt a cheating program...

[Lama]

What was it?

[Xeno_old]

Well, to remedy that, someone can make an auto-kick prog to automatically kick anyone who says that cheat message then. If someone says that without having the cheat prog, they deserve to be kicked anyhow.

[Phoneix]

I shall not and will not speak it's name.

It's name, though, is in the following code:

Xli reqi sj xli tvskveq mw Szivpsvh2i|i

[Krezack]

Brilliant Xeno! Now all we gotta do is make overlord put that in his programmes...

[Kaz]

As I recall there was a program that found what adresses were being written to or read from.

[Krezack]

Yea....and? We gotta convince overlord to put in this protection method :D (And a programme to kick poeple who say they are cheating)

[Cpp]

Well let's just say that it's all coming in project Cataclysm 2.
As for the topic... can we get back to 800*600 again?