Suggestions for J2Ov2

[Trafton]

Well, you could do it like with the articles: "Admin approved" reviewers and <s>n00bs</s> other reviewers, with the options to show both or only the "approved" ones.
This has been suggested many, many, many times before. The problem is, it is not exactly fair for us to decide which reviewers are "approved." That might hurt the feeling of someone who is perhaps not as good with English as someone else.

~ Traft

[SteelTalon]

... how about have a "favorite reviewers" option. Say I liked fquist, trafton and stripe's reviews and nobody elses. I could set it so that only their reviews would show up and the scores would be reflected that way (of course it would display the "true" score simultaenously along with the composite score from fquist traft + stripe)

[Stijn]

Yes please. You see, when I upload something I worked on for days I can get quite angry about a review like "lol I suck at rating tilesets i give this an 8 lol". I almost start thinking they are just going for a higher reviewer rank. Wait, maybe they are. :(

[mirrow]

AAANNNNDDD I want voicecontrol.. that i don't need my keyboard : P

or at least that everytime i go to the site a hot bunny ;) says "welcome you ve got 'two' unread messages and '1'review on your latest upload"

and then she walks sexy away mmmmm
nah serious make it possible that you can delet your pictures on your own and not just by the admins..

[Trafton]

... how about have a "favorite reviewers" option. Say I liked fquist, trafton and stripe's reviews and nobody elses. I could set it so that only their reviews would show up and the scores would be reflected that way (of course it would display the "true" score simultaenously along with the composite score from fquist traft + stripe)

Yes please. You see, when I upload something I worked on for days I can get quite angry about a review like "lol I suck at rating tilesets i give this an 8 lol". I almost start thinking they are just going for a higher reviewer rank. Wait, maybe they are.

I think that is reasonable and would probably work. Then, the users could have their own opinions about who their favorite reviewers are.

AAANNNNDDD I want voicecontrol.. that i don't need my keyboard : P
...Probably not. A bit too hard for coding and would take up way too much bandwidth. In fact, I do not think I have ever seen a site that supports that. ;-P

or at least that everytime i go to the site a hot bunny ;) says "welcome you ve got 'two' unread messages and '1'review on your latest upload"

and then she walks sexy away mmmmm

...

nah serious make it possible that you can delet your pictures on your own and not just by the admins..
If the pictures section still exists (questionable), I think that will probably be a feature. Again, if it exists still.

~ Traft

[Stijn]

FIX THE LINK TO JCSREF!

I think you can already do that now, even if J2Ov2 isn't finished. The "jcs" button still links to http://www.jazz2online.com/~jcsref while it should be http://www.jazz2online.com/jcsref

[Hardtana]

Umm...let us update our info? I accidentally entered something that is not *that* public....and whenever I try to edit it, I get a message that the operation failed.

[Dusk]

How about letting people rate reviews? Something like "Good" or "Bad", which would affect the influence of that review on the total score. A highly appreciated review would be "worth more" that way, partially solving the problem of over- and underrating.

[Trafton]

How about letting people rate reviews? Something like "Good" or "Bad", which would affect the influence of that review on the total score. A highly appreciated review would be "worth more" that way, partially solving the problem of over- and underrating.
Unfortunately, that would seriously influence cheating; additionally, an author could rate a positive review well. Moderating these review ratings would also be extremely difficult.

~ Traft

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

I gave reviewing some more serious thought and I have an idea which I am particularily fond of right now. <b>I'd like to know what your opinions on this are.</b>

Each review can be commented on by every other person on the site. Along with a comment, it can include a rating something like(good/bad, 1-10, bad/okay/great, justified/not justified) the specifics of that can be worked out later.

Now, the ratings that you get from your comments will <b>not affect the overall score of the level</b>, but the review ratings would affect a <b>reviewer quality number which would always be displayed by your name</b> for download section purposes. This way, everyone would always be able to see their quality and could work towards keeping it high.

Now, along with this, if you get a number of bad reviews for a review of a level and you then later go and edit this review changing the rating and the comments that you gave the person, all of the comments made on your previous review would lose their rating (revert to NA) and those people would be notified that you have changed your rating and that they should re-evaluate your review. It would promote a constant cycle of helpful comments and feedback on reviewing.

[Violet CLM]

That only effects people who care, and I was under the impression the problem was people who don't.

[Blackraptor]

There also may be people who will purposely lower the reviewer's stats (for instance, pretend Violet reviewed someone's level, a sucky overrated level, and gave it a 4.5, while most of the other reviewers, presumably friends of the author of the level, gave it ratings like 7.5 or 8. The author of the level may get frustrated with Violets review because it brought down the rating that he/she will rate it a 1 for being bad. Even though Violet's is the most accurate review, it won't be rated as well because of the low rating it gave towards the level).


I probably confused everyone with this post, but oh well.

Derby: Abused content removal.

[Trafton]

There also may be people who will purposely lower the reviewer's stats (for instance, pretend Violet reviewed someone's level, a sucky overrated level, and gave it a 4.5, while most of the other reviewers, presumably friends of the author of the level, gave it ratings like 7.5 or 8. The author of the level may get frustrated with Violets review because it brought down the rating that he/she will rate it a 1 for being bad. Even though Violet's is the most accurate review, it won't be rated as well because of the low rating it gave towards the level).


I probably confused everyone with this post, but oh well.
That is basically the same problem I said about it; also, having reviews-for-reviews just sounds weird. I suggested that perhaps there would be a way to give a one-line reason for the rating. The level maker and reviewer could not rate the review. Additionally, reviewer's ratings and reasons are logged for appropriateness. At the bottom, it will display a percent who found it helpful. This will also affect an average in the reviewer's profile, but not the rating. Perhaps an anonymous rating function would be available, that only administration can see the author of. Obviously, these ratings would go by the same rules as any other rating. Also, I suggest on a coding level that there is a control panel where you can see, dated, the latest reviews.

I also have a second suggestion: The date of when a review is posted should be displayed in the review. I'm surprised that no one (at least no one whom I can find) has suggested this previously.

Any suggestions?

~ Traft

Derby: Previous quotation edit.

Trafton: I had already removed the abused content in the quotation.

[Dusk]

Maybe allowing people to vote levels, so they don't have to write a review. Those votes can be worth less than a review's rating, but it might make it a little more honest because clicking a button that says "3 - I like it" or something is easier than writing a review.

One vote for each user, not including the author of the level and writing a review would undo your vote.

Just an idea.

[Violet CLM]

No, we are trying to get rid of the ratings without explanation, not make them common and accepted.

[Stijn]

Get rid of the "This review has been edited by" message, or make it less... flashy :P It doesn't have to be red.

[NeoBlaze]

Get rid of the "This review has been edited by" message, or make it less... flashy :P It doesn't have to be red.
I agree. And make the top logo link to the main jcf homepage, not to the forum homepage.

[Violet CLM]

JCF and the forums are the same thing.

[Hardtana]

Hmmm...they probably meant Jazz2Online.

[Tubz]

Instead of private messaging Trafton all the time, I probably should start posting in here. How about making more categories. This would probably making browing the J2O levels section more fun and easier.

--Suggestions--
~Games
~Hotels
~Tests/Puzzles
~The Essential JJ2 Utilites, i.e. 1.23 registered patch, JJ2 uninstall aid
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How about changing the levels button at the top of the site, to downloads.
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Adding site music?
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Delete the dead sections
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Add more sections like Site Map
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Maybe somehow making the site allow you to change the theme like this board
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How adding some Flash to the site?

[NeoBlaze]

JCF and the forums are the same thing.

Someone, help me!
As, always, you don't read what im saying. Since JCF is J2O's forum, it should have a link to J2O, just as J2O has a link to JCF

[Tubz]

^^^

I think it does, if you change the forum's look to J2O or something. That's a great idea though. I wouldn't really say that this is J20's forum, I don't think anybody thinks of this place like that, I don't. I think of this more as the forum for JJ2. JMMB (Jazz Mega Message Board) was the former JJ2 board, until it died around 3 years ago.

[Risp_old]

What do you mean when you say site music?

[Violet CLM]

Adding site music?
NO.
Delete the dead sections
As far as I know, the only dead section is Characters, and it's all done in J2Ov2.
Add more sections like Site Map
What's the point? It's not like there are lots of sub sections - pretty much everything is linked to off of any given page.
Maybe somehow making the site allow you to change the theme like this board
That already exists, though it is broken. Rest assured you will be able to do this in J2Ov2.
How adding some Flash to the site?
Why fix what isn't broken? This discussion has been done before, and nobody could come up with any reasons flash would be needed.

Neo: There's a link to J2O at the bottom of every JCF page.

[Tubz]

Violet: NO.

Tublear: Apparently you've never heard of STOPPING SITE MUSIC, by pushing te dark SQUARE button..
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Violet: What's the point? It's not like there are lots of sub sections - pretty much everything is linked to off of any given page.

Tublear: I got that idea from J2C, and if you visit J2C, you would notice the type of sub-sections I mean
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Violet: Why fix what isn't broken? This discussion has been done before, and nobody could come up with any reasons flash would be needed.

Tublear: What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say anything about things not working when talking about flash. I was simply mentioning it would look cool. For example, Overlord did a hell of a great job with his site. It would attract more people to J2O.

^^^
My feedback in the quote...
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What do you mean when you say site music?

I'm talking about music that can be played with the site, also can be paused-stopped-etc... Like a control panel. THe music can be anything, or can be chosen from a list. Or a radio could be added. Or music that is official or uploaded by people, like the midi's uploaded to J2O.

A JJ music radio station type thing could begin.

[Risp_old]

Even if the music is stopped, you would still have to load it. While that isn't a problem with people with fast connections like me, it might be for people who don't. Expecially since that kind of stuff is annoying to most people.

EDIT- and it is really pointless to have a radio or something, since those people who want to hear music would most likely have some external music program loaded playing some music that they like.

[Violet CLM]

J2O has, plain and simple, no need for flash. By looking at it, you can see it's not a fancy eyecandy site, anyway - it relies on yellow tables for everything. People who want flash can make their own site or something. And what kind of people would be attracted to a site simply because it has flash? (no offence Fl@sh)

Also, what Risp said.

[Tubz]

Even if the music is stopped, you would still have to load it. While that isn't a problem with people with fast connections like me, it might be for people who don't. Expecially since that kind of stuff is annoying to most people.

EDIT- and it is really pointless to have a radio or something, since those people who want to hear music would most likely have some external music program loaded playing some music that they like.

That's not what happens. The music isn't annoying when it comes to loading. If a person had a slow conenction, the music will load slower. Although, it will not have any effect on the loading of the page. The page will still load, and of course faster than the music, but you can still browse the page.

J2O has, plain and simple, no need for flash. By looking at it, you can see it's not a fancy eyecandy site, anyway - it relies on yellow tables for everything. People who want flash can make their own site or something. And what kind of people would be attracted to a site simply because it has flash? (no offence Fl@sh)

Also, what Risp said.

Who said anything about flash having to attract people, and stick them only to flash. Unlike DDR which revived arcades, by attracting people to them, and people only playing DDR at arcades (apparently this is what I've heard)..this is different. Flash will more likely than not, and hopefully if people aren't stupid enough, to attrack people to the site, and give them more of an incentive to check out the site.

Basically It's just an advertising thing. And then again, I guess J20 doesn't care about advertising, or it would have a site counter by now,

[Trafton]

Who said anything about flash having to attract people, and stick them only to flash. Unlike DDR which revived arcades, by attracting people to them, and people only playing DDR at arcades (apparently this is what I've heard)..this is different. Flash will more likely than not, and hopefully if people aren't stupid enough, to attrack people to the site, and give them more of an incentive to check out the site.

Basically It's just an advertising thing. And then again, I guess J20 doesn't care about advertising, or it would have a site counter by now,
Your statements here are inaccurate. We want to attract people with content. It may be eye-catching, but the incompatibilities prevent possible viewers and it would require a huge site overhaul.

The advertising statements are odd. Why do we need to advertise? We want to attract people who actually play the game and like it or want to play the game; people who find the site randomly without any friends suggestion and are uninterested in the game will be more likely to abuse it.

We don't use a site counter not because we don't want to advertise (what does a site counter have to do with advertisements?) but because it's ugly and amateurish and I can't think of any need for it. And they break every five minutes, too.

Instead of private messaging Trafton all the time, I probably should start posting in here. How about making more categories. This would probably making browing the J2O levels section more fun and easier.

--Suggestions--
~Games
~Hotels
~Tests/Puzzles
~The Essential JJ2 Utilites, i.e. 1.23 registered patch, JJ2 uninstall aid
Although I don't think the JJ2 Uninstall Aid is anywhere near an essential utility since the JJ2 uninstall from Add/Remove programs works just fine, I agree and would be glad to see these categories, although I think there will be a seperate "essential downloads" section anyway.
How about changing the levels button at the top of the site, to downloads.
This won't even be an issue in J2Ov2. The layout has changed; the buttons aren't there.

Adding site music?
HOW ABOUT A NICE BAG OF NO?
Delete the dead sections
Which sections would these be?
Add more sections like Site Map
Site map? Why?
Maybe somehow making the site allow you to change the theme like this board
J2Ov2.
How adding some Flash to the site?
Discussed previously and rejected. I'll try to find the link, but it has been a while.

~ Traft

[Tubz]

The last issues were rejected by J2O mods, but here are new issues.

-Ability to delete PMs
-A way that you could review a level more than once, but any additional time over the first review would NOT count toward the review count.

We don't use a site counter not because we don't want to advertise (what does a site counter have to do with advertisements?) but because it's ugly and amateurish and I can't think of any need for it. And they break every five minutes, too.


Although I don't think the JJ2 Uninstall Aid is anywhere near an essential utility since the JJ2 uninstall from Add/Remove programs works just fine, I agree and would be glad to see these categories, although I think there will be a seperate "essential downloads" section anyway.
HOW ABOUT A NICE BAG OF NO?


What you just said, being your bold and italicized statement is amateurish.

[NeoBlaze]

Add more sections like Site Map
I don't think you need that, because the website is not confusing enough (well maybe jv2 is)

Maybe somehow making the site allow you to change the theme like this board
Ye! Cuz this yellowish greenish black skinny sucks! You know what? Make a skin as follows: big white letter on black or light blue background ::thumbsup::
hehe
How adding some Flash to the site?
Nooooo way!
I do not like flash website, cuz the do load too much time, but then they freeze up n I never return to that kind of websites. Except if they are made in flash v.6 or less.

-Ability to delete PMs
How about removing J2O PM system at all, leaving JCF?

-A way that you could review a level more than once, but any additional time over the first review would NOT count toward the review count.
Good idea!

[Odin]

Site music, although it sounds 'cool', is dumb. There is no reason for it, for one, and I don't really like MIDIs, since everyone is screwing them up now.

-ThO

[Trafton]

The last issues were rejected by J2O mods, but here are new issues.

-Ability to delete PMs
J2Ov2.

-A way that you could review a level more than once, but any additional time over the first review would NOT count toward the review count.
Not a bad suggestion, assuming it doesn't count for review stats.

What you just said, being your bold and italicized statement is amateurish.
That's probably because I am an amateur; I am getting paid nothing to post here. The point I was trying to make is that, to be blunt, site music is a horrible, horrible idea. Site music is annoying, neophyte-ish, bandwidth-stealing, and just not a good idea in any imaginable way. The same goes with site counters, although those are a good deal less annoying and a good deal more reminiscent of 1999 (which is a bad thing.)

~ Traft

[Tubz]

J2Ov2.


Not a bad suggestion, assuming it doesn't count for review stats.


That's probably because I am an amateur; I am getting paid nothing to post here. The point I was trying to make is that, to be blunt, site music is a horrible, horrible idea. Site music is annoying, neophyte-ish, bandwidth-stealing, and just not a good idea in any imaginable way. The same goes with site counters, although those are a good deal less annoying and a good deal more reminiscent of 1999 (which is a bad thing.)

~ Traft

That's what I said, any review written after the first one will not count toward the review count.

Hey, 1999 was a great year! Ask Prince if you don't believe me!

[NeoBlaze]

Why, site music could be a great idea, but while these two conditions are true:
1) There is a few different midi files, which are randomly picked.
2) These midi files are a good "ear candy". (ye, I just invented this term)

[Risp_old]

3) There is an option to turn it off so it doesn't automatically load and play

[NeoBlaze]

3) There is an option to turn it off so it doesn't automatically load and play
Right!
And that option I could create.

[MoonBlazE]

I bet my money on FQuist could do that perfectly fine himself.

[NeoBlaze]

I meant, I could help him if he needs it. I am just offering help, which he said (http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=9832&highlight=option) I could offer if I wish. Why, you got a problem with me helping?

[Tubz]

I bet my money on FQuist could do that perfectly fine himself.

Really, that should be new, I haven't seen any music work on the internet with JJ2 sites ever. This would be interesting...

[FQuist]

I meant, I could help him if he needs it. I am just offering help, which he said I could offer if I wish. Why, you got a problem with me helping?

With the JCF, since you were talking about how you could make it (disable smileys in user options) in a very short time I believe. No help with J2Ov2 needed but thanks for the offer.

I don't see any reason for site music. I mean, that's what you have winamp for, isn't it? And on by default? Way to go for reducing our visitor count to 0.

[NeoBlaze]

I don't see any reason for site music. I mean, that's what you have winamp for, isn't it? And on by default? Way to go for reducing our visitor count to 0.
Yeah, you are right. Me, personally, would disable the music immediately.

With the JCF, since you were talking about how you could make it (disable smileys in user options) in a very short time I believe. No help with J2Ov2 needed but thanks for the offer.
I don't really understand what you mean, except that you don't need help with j2ov2.
I didn't say I make the option in a short time, but I am also not working on it, because you didn't reply in that topic, about where exactly do you need that option.
Still, it is easy for me to do, but you have to add a new field in the user's options table (I think, that table is called USER) called something like smiliedef, which can carry value 1 or 0, zero by default, not null (that's the field's settings)
Then, I believe, I will have to do the following:


1. register.php:
- edit INSERT INTO user query)
2. register template:
- add radio box
3. profile.php?do=editoptions
- edit UPDATE user query
4. editoptions template:
- add radio box
5. showthread.php
- set the variable value
6. quickreply template
- insert the hidden field with value from 5
7. newreply.php?do=newreply
- get the user option
8. newreply template
- replace the static field value with the value from the variable


This hack will need no additional queries.
So...?

[Tubz]

I really think you should PM Nebula, Neo. He is like the head programmer of J2O.

[NeoBlaze]

JJ, I don't really care. I am just offering help - if admins here do not accept it, thats their business, not mine. I can live without this website as well.

[Tubz]

^^^

Lol, I'm just saying that Nebula is strictly programming. He probably doesn't care what goes on with the site, like the downloads and stuff.

[Blackraptor]

If this wasnt mentioned before, I suggest there being a way to sort the reviews you wrote in various ways (ex. by lenght or by date posted) so you can see which are your oldest/shortest reviews and which are your newest/longest etc.

[FQuist]

I really think you should PM Nebula, Neo. He is like the head programmer of J2O.
No he's not.

How come you always manage to say these things about J2O/JCF which are based on no single fact?

[Stijn]

Ask Prince if you don't believe me!

I'll do that soon.

[cooba]

I would like to have one year old topics automatically closing to prevent revivals.

[Stijn]

And what if a revivial is useful? Like reviving a thread about your levelpack that you are gonna work on because it's done (one year later)?

[n0]

Make a new post and give a link to the old post!

[Trafton]

I would like to have one year old topics automatically closing to prevent revivals.
This is for J2Ov2, not the JCF. J2Ov2 is the new version of J2O and will NOT include the JCF.

[Crono5]

I would like to see J2Ov2 actually made. what, its been like 2 years now? common people, its ok to take your time but this is absurd.

[Tik]

You have NO idea, Crono.

[Violet CLM]

Yeah, it has been like two years, but it's mostly done now.