Jazz2City

[n0]

I know it has been dead for ages, but i went there today, and saw a hello world...


Is there a place where i can download some of the stuff that used to be @ J2C? (arcives or whatnot)

ThanX!
`N0

[>>Møønßlãzé<<]

*straight his hand up*
I known, I known!
Jazz2online! :D

[Newspaz]

I noticed it about two days ago. However, the place is still registered by Dethman. However, he put his new email addresse in the whois ;).

If you still need something of J2C you should try to ask Brian, he has the whole site backed up on CD-ROM.

[$tilettø]

and his email is?

or is that a secret;)

[||Slim]

Use that wayback machine thing. It had some levels that actually still worked (bblair i downloaded from there)

[Ice M A N]

Haha.. never saw the Hello World before.

Courtesy of Brian from some time ago: http://jazz2city.milesba.com/

Sometimes there are links to jazz2city.com/something .. just change them to jazz2city.milesba.com/something

However, if my memory serves me right, none of the sub-directories are there.. which includes a lot of the levels, but some older downloads are still there.

[$tilettø]

http://jazz2city.milesba.com/index1024.htm

[Newspaz]

His new email addresse is in the whois, so you can go figure it out yourself ;)

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

Cool. I was able to download some really old stuff. Unfortunately, most of the downloads are missing. Can he put them up? (I lost my tileset collection... it was on the old computer that died and I never transferred it... :( I want the stuff from J2C, J2O has very little.)

[Super Saiyan]

Can please someone tell me why Jazz2City went down, and why Dethman left the community, did he for no reason or was he in a sec just gone?

I JUST DONT GET IT!!!! I discovered jazz2city exactly a month before it went down.

[Razz]

This brings up memory's:rolleyes:

I made a level I would definetely get a 3 for it here but I got 2 out of 3 stars on J2C.....

[Alister]

Mmmmmm... Nostalgia.

Mmmmmm... Pride. I'll never forget "Totally awesome in every way"

[Violet CLM]

I want to be able to see the JMMB, but it says "A fox ate this page. Sorry, she was hungry." I think whoever did the whole Milesba bit didn't want any JMMB visits.

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

That happens for most of the pages, actually. Including a majority of the later downloads. (But really old D/ls still work... strange...)

[Ice M A N]

Milesba == Brian.

And the jmmb was (in) a subdir, and none of the subdirs are there (as far as I know). Besides, the board would have to be re-setup for his server which would take a bit of effort, but after that it would be a drain on his resources like you thought.. That and "officially" it was closed...

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

Why no subdirs? Can Brian put up the subdirs? (and fix some of the links)?

[Fighter II]

Guys, there's two Jazz 2 City sites. The hello one and the link you gave us. Hmmmmmmm................the link gave us to an illusion. I saw that site a long time that had a sp levels galore. Now it isn't!!
Shoot. That was a dead site now. a ghost of the site.

[Brian]

I wish I had known about this topic earlier, I'd have posted on it sooner. Now, to answer some questions that people had (well... the ones that didn't get answered already)

1.) Everything that I had backed up at Jazz2City before it went down, is online and on my server (actually it's just my home computer on a cable modem). My two domain names are milesba.com and evilopie.net.

2.) The JMMB is not up though, as it takes up too much space, and it was a pain to maintain before we took it down. (being in college at the time didn't help anything. I couldn't moderate and fix things properly... just not enough time) It also takes up like 300+ megs of disk space, which I don't feel like dedicating to it. So unfortunately that is going to stay down. I don't feel like going through the effort to get that working again, especially considering that this board took its place a long while ago.

3.) <a href="http://jazz2city.milesba.com">Jazz2city.milesba.com</a> is up. But not all of the links work. If you want to get to some of the old files, you can still get to them (most of them anyway) by changing any jazz2city.com link to jazz2city.milesba.com instead. I just put the files up, I never got around to fixing the broken links.

4.) <a href="http://jazz2city.com">Jazz2city.com</a> is somewhat alive. It has acquired a new web host. (And that "Hello World" isn't a hack... the owner did that) Soon I may upload all of the old J2C backup that I have to that site so that all the links should work then. (plus I'll get a bunch of hard drive space back) So keep checking, J2C may be back online fully, soon. Though I make no guarantees.

5.) If J2C does come back (which it probably will) I strongly doubt it will be updated. So don't expect it to be. It will just be a basic site for JJ2 info and old files that people made.

6.) As for just WHY J2C went down... well, there were a couple of reasons. First, it's a royal pain in the rear finding someone to host a webpage the size of J2C for free. We're talking like at least half a gig of data here. Next to no one wants to host that for free. To my knowledge, J2C has been hosted in at least 3 places. First was FrontierNet, which didn't last long because they only had 10 megs of file space to work with. Second was over at mich.com which ended up going out of business (I think). And the last place that J2C was hosted before going offline totally, was over at the actionxtreme network. Eventually they ended up basically dying too, and took J2C down with it. Also, DethMan said that J2C and the JMMB were getting away from Christian morals, and it was also a handful to keep running in that it took a lot of manpower from a small staff to keep running still. It put a large strain on EVERYONE who was working on it.... and good help was hard to find. So that all lead to its demise.

But now, I think that we have a decent host again, and enough time to get it running once more for prosparity, so long as we don't need to put the time into actually keeping it updated, it could be a good site for old archives and news. So keep an eye on it, we may actually get J2C off the ground once more.

And I hope this answers most questions that people have. Does anyone else have any more? (not counting questions about what the site may or may not have on it, if it comes back up)

[Ice M A N]

n.n We love you Brian. (In the way that all good people love their favourite admins, of course).

And if something goes wrong I'd be happy to host a mirror of J2C on my comp (although it isn't on 24/7/52, but some weeks it is). Which reminds me.. I should see about hosting my nagcentral backup on my comp. (except for j2o, jdc, etc.. who have found new hosts).

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

Brian, we are in your debt. Can't wait for the archives of J2C to come up. :) (Now we have to wait for Wakeman to put up the J2S archives, which I've been told he is actually working on.)

AJ2f

[SteelTalon]

That's 5UP3R1337 Brian. Totally awesome. Brings back memories. ;P

Gah, the JJ2 Graveyard was down...

[ShadowGPW]

It put a large strain on EVERYONE who was working on it.... and good help was hard to find.

dont agree with the this part.. everyone accept dethman and wakeman.. the original team (or team 2 what-ever) wanted to keep it alive, perhaps the download system would change totally by then (the j2o way? dunno) Also there where lots of good replacers around here that time who wanted to do some (and now is)

Also "GOOD HELP" feels like a big kick in the nutts..its just like that we did notthing, that only Deth/Wake did all the work! hey! we done a-lot too! jeez, thanks...for the useless work then
= update = MilesB didn't mean anything bad with this = update =

And the team it-self was never informed when something "goes down" I mean it was all the sudden, Jazz2City, JMMB it al died and we never got even a word from dethman, that made the ex-team very angry and even revenge fully (remember Kaven's words?)

p.s. Thanks for the url! / brings back memories (jeezz feel like an 80years old grandpa) :lol:

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update
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mr. b didn't mean anything bad about it

[EvilMike]

<font size="1">J2O is better.</font>

*runs away*

[Brian]

Now it is, ;-) but when you consider that J2C hasn't been updated in like 2+ years, it's going to leave something to be desired.

And yes, at the end good help was hard to find. I'm not saying that we didn't have ANY, we just didn't have hardly anyone who would do regular updates. I seem to recall that we would give the FTP password to J2C out to several people, and then over time people would abuse it (give it out to friends... not use it... etc...). So we'd have to change it and start from scratch with the people we gave it out to. Eventually at the end, basically only DethMan, Steven and I had the password. (maybe one or two others, but I don't remember anyone else. Steven did most of the work) So yes, J2C was a big stress on EVERYONE. Steven, Deth and myself. :-) We tried multiple times to have others help maintain the site, but it never worked out. Every time we tried that, people would say that they wanted to help and would update, but it'd take forever to get updates, if they came at all. Eventually it became so bad that Steven took on most of the workload himself, and didn't really let anyone else work on the site. I have no clue how he pulled that off.... but he did. He is amazing.

[Xtreem]

Cool Jazz2City Rulez!!
Carnt wait to see it again

Xtreem

[Aiko]

Somehow, i don't know. Jazz2City was awesome, back then. And the way it died was shameful, yes. But now we have Jazz2Online (which is, in most parts, much better...only to mention the reviewing system). So i don't like comebacks. The true spirit of J2C is nothing but nostalgia and ego boost for the oldbies, gone forever. And thats good, imho. Well, maybe as an archive, okay, but i don't think updates would be a good idea.

My two cents.

P.S.:
I *still* don't get what Mr. DethMan meant by "getting away from Christian morals". Noone ever even tried to explain that. Made me quite angry at that time, as people who followed the discussion back then (early 2000, iirc) may remember.

[Razz]

I admit, J2C was really great 3 years ago when I visited it...
But well like they all say, now we have J2O, we don't need J2C anymore, J2O is like J2C for us only better.
Maybe some people want to get their levels or from others back that they lost but that's all. For updates we have our own J2O.....

[ShadowGPW]

Aiko, the updates are minor prolly..
like adding the Link J2O and forwarding the JMMB link to JCF

[Brian]

Myths:

1.) The JMMB is coming back.

Nope. As far as I am concerned, this will stay archived on my backup CD. It's too much to get running again, and I don't feel like uploading a 400-meg zip file of it to someone else who could do it.

2.) J2C will be updated.

Nope. There are only two people that I know of that have FTP access to J2C now. I am one of the two. Neither of us have the time to update J2C at all. It is not coming back as a current news site. It is not coming back as a cool place to hang out. (well.... it could be, but that's not my intension) J2C is not coming back to replace, or try to replace J2O. Nor do I think it could if it tried, having been down for so long.

If J2C comes back, the reason that it comes back will be for an archive of a once great site. It still has a lot of old levels, and I believe that if it's still there, the old news might be good for a bit of nostalga to look at. J2C is a good resource, for information and levels about JJ2. It is not intended to be a current news site, nor will it be again. Kinda sad really... but it has passed the torch to J2O who has taken its place, better than probably any of us could have expected so long ago.

Any other questions/comments? J2C is not intended to be a replacement for J2O at all. You shouldn't go around expecting it to be.

[Kaz]

Hmm... well if you're really going to give up on it... could you at least authorize the usage of the J2C stuff to give somewhat of a skin to j20? Yellow... ick.

[Violet CLM]

Is there any way I can get ahold of an archive of the JMMB's War Tavern forum?

[Talec]

Actually, I was thinking of asking for a couple archived/zipped forums myself... I save anything of interest I find on message boards, but I didn't get that habit until after the JMMB closed... All I've got is a page of Word Association I, Yes! War Stories Are Back!, and most of Fquist: You have run for long enough. ;_;

~Talec LP

[Stijn]

*also runs away*

[KRSplat]

Most people want J2C back for the memories, and levels. Other than that, I think J2O is better in pretty much every category. Except news, J2C was updated often in it's prime. But that was when we actually HAD news... ;)

(Yeah, yellow is yucky. :p)

[WMCoolmon]

Any other questions/comments? J2C is not intended to be a replacement for J2O at all. You shouldn't go around expecting it to be.
Too late...someone just asked me to post a fan link for a site called Refalm (http://jazz2.refalm.com/). :O Better start installing Frontpage Express to update the links. :D

(No hard feelings to the person who sent me the link, of course :))

[BæÅüMàÑ]

Yes, i would like an archived copy of the war tavern too....... maybe brian can transfer the 400mb to someone who's willing to host the zipped archives themselves on a FTP or something?

[Newspaz]

At least the good ole war tavern is still there :)
http://jazz2city.milesba.com/feat.htm

[Brian]

Originally posted by Brian
and I don't feel like uploading a 400-meg zip file of it to someone else who could do it.

Sheesh... you guys are never satasified. ;-)

[BæÅüMàÑ]

Your right, we aren't :P

Note:
"If you build it, they will come. If you build it good, keep it long, and then drop it fast, and then mention archiving it, they will come and ask for more :P"

[Lil Wabbit]

that can't be ALL the warstories cause I remember I wrote alot of ONE of them, along with Dino...but I can't find my posts in that one, oh well...its probably lost in that big backup cd.

[ShadowGPW]

MErlin
DethMan
Koopa
Jon Maclallen
Dean Dodrill
PaG
Onag
Steven
ZZTPyro
Gizmo
Another Jazz 2 fan

These all goes back into the roots of jazz :P

[RockyR]

It's a refreshment to see brian's dedication and a return of mr. classic site, Jazz 2 City.
Jazz 2 City was after all, a jazz 2 city, where everyone lived, although hopefully not for too many hours. It defined those of us (most people here) who were around then doing jazz 2 related things. go Brian!

Rocky

[Lil Wabbit]

Originally posted by ShadowGPW
MErlin
DethMan
Koopa
Jon Maclallen
Dean Dodrill
PaG
Onag
Steven
ZZTPyro
Gizmo
Another Jazz 2 fan

These all goes back into the roots of jazz :P

Are any of 'em still around?

[Violet CLM]

Only Another Jazz 2 Fan.

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

Originally posted by Unknown Rabbit
Only Another Jazz 2 Fan.

GO ME!!

woohoo! I'm remembered! :D

(BTW: ZZTPyro is Buster, so I'm not the only one)

[Barry Stonem]

Originally posted by N0B0DY
I know it has been dead for ages, but i went there today, and saw a hello world...


Is there a place where i can download some of the stuff that used to be @ J2C? (arcives or whatnot)

ThanX!
`N0 :
Elvis Lives:

[SteelTalon]

Originally posted by ShadowGPW
MErlin
DethMan
Koopa
Jon Maclallen
Dean Dodrill
PaG
Onag
Steven
ZZTPyro
Gizmo
Another Jazz 2 fan

These all goes back into the roots of jazz :P

Glad to see there is still a legacy that people remember. I thought I was the only one. ;P

Hmm, 3/5 BW's in that post... plus PaG who I narrowly beat out for the last spot in BW... gotta love this history. ;)

and WB LilWabbit, LTNS! It's good to see old established bodies around these days.

[Ducky]

Giz is still hanging in there, is he not?

..And we know Deth is watching our every move...

<s>Brian has as of late become my new favorite Admin. Fweee.</s>

[Brian]

<strike>really?</strike>

[ShadowGPW]

Well remember AstrioniA? :D

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

The original JJ1 tileset converter (before Cell)

[Lil Wabbit]

Originally posted by ShadowGPW
Well remember AstrioniA? :D

yup, yup i do!


BW's? BAH! We Hunter's could've taken you on!

BlackWolves...more like black puppys! Hunters! Hunters i tell ya, we hunted wolves :D .

[Wakeman]

Sorry for not replying sooner, as I've been away for a few weeks. If Brian is willing to give me access to his server, I'd be happy to upload all of the old levels, as I still have a complete collection of every download there ever was on Jazz 2 City. Although it would probably be easier just to make my Jazz 2 folder and it's 7000 files available online. :) I've hardly added anything to it since Jazz 2 City went down, so it's sort of a piece of history in and of itself.

At any rate, from my perspective, Jazz 2 City went down because it consumed too much of my life. I admit that I probably never would have stopped if DethMan hadn't asked me to, but it was definitely the right decision, and I only regretted it for a year or so. ;) Seriously, I don't see any logical reason to continue to fret about the death of J2C. Strangely, this is the first time I remember seeing the issue of Christian morals brought up in one of these discussions, but it's very true what DethMan said. I can certainly testify that I started growing in my faith a whole lot more after J2C went down because J2C really did come before God in my life. That may sound ridiculous, but what we spend the most of our freetime doing is usually the top priority of our lives. And besides, it gets a little frustrating when I spent such a large portion of my freetime on J2C and still couldn't get levels posted within a month of receiving them. :)

To me, updating J2C again would be like Disney making a sequel to Snow White. It would just ruin an old classic. Enjoy the archives of J2C and J2S when they come, but there is no dishonor in moving on. We always commend people in this community who have stuck around the longest, but I don't think we should any less commend those who have chosen to move on from Jazz 2 if they know that is the right thing to do in their lives. Sometimes those who try the hardest to preserve the community end up being the ones to push people out.

-Steven

[Newspaz]

Finally an explanation that makes sence, well, to me it does :P.

[Fawriel]

I remember AstroniA and AJ2F.
I thought he wanted to be anonym when he uploaded a level.
Now I know it's his name!:D
I REALLY would love to get my uploaded level back,enhance it and put it into a level pack!:rolleyes: *sigh*

[Stijn]

Uhm, yes.

I remember I staretd to understand how big and good the J2C was precisely 5 months before it went down. Eep. Whatever, I'm talking to the door and I'll shut up.

[Chiyu]

The small list of people which you gave Shadow, weren't the only people around at those times. Yep, there must have been more than just those, around at the VERY old days. :P

[Shiverz]

I can remember how i went on J2C everyday and downloaded stuff i was never off it then when i uninstalled jazz i forgot about it. Then after a while i installed it again and searched for a jj2 site and found J2C on the list i clicked on it and when it said page not found i felt like crying .