About Shields

[MoonBlazE]

Old players says shields are for a newbie, avrage players says shield are cheat, while a newbie would say it's the game.
The only person who's right is the newbie.
The shield is a part of the game, both a good and bad.
If you look on battle1, the shield there is very bad placed.
Shields should be in bonus warps, secrets ect.
My favorite shield is the fire shield, whitch only does 1 damage with its special fire.
While water is more powerfull, also you should choose the right shield to the level.
If water shield where replaced with fire shield in battle1 the game will be a lot different, becuse the fire shield not is that dangerus.
If you dislike shields, don't host level with shield, remove them from your battle1 ect.
But if someone else hostes with shield, it's not your choise if the shield may be used, becuse it's a part of the game.
Shields makes a different gameplay, somehow, JDC finds shields as cheat.
We should try find a way to accept shields in levels, not just make all levels without shields.

[Unhit]

I am totally against shield. Using a shield and then roasting an opponent is everything else but hard. Shields suck, they perhaps are a part of the game, but ruin gameplay.

[MoonBlazE]

What level are you pointing to Unhit?

[Unhit]

It is generally.

[MoonBlazE]

Have you maybe thought about that the shield in battle1 does suck, but if it where a coin warp, it would maybe be even fun?
Battle1 gives shields a bad look becuse it's so bad placed, I feel sorry for the person who made that level.

[Super Saiyan]

lol, what are you talking Moonblaze, as first shields are for persons who cant defend them selfs. As second people cant play with fun while someone is kicking everyones but. By the way about your idea over that secrets etc. It might be a good idea, but still I think shields are for n00bs and rooks. Especially in a duel :D

[MoonBlazE]

I'm talking about all theese <strike>chicks</strike> people that can't face shields. :p
And I don't think you get the idea, shields can be okay, they are different yes, but you just learned they are wrong, where did you learned that?

[Enigma]

the main thing that bothers people about shields is that the person using it can't lose health, not the special ammo. even when i played online the very first time as an absolute newbie, i was able to murder about everyone in the server by using the shield. nowadays, i don't really like shields. the invulnerability they give is too powerful. it would be ok if shields just reduced damage and didn't last so long. but, since it's not like that, i never host, and never will host, a level with a shield (except if other people want me to host a duel for them)

[MoonBlazE]

Now I'm not really talking about battle levels, but CTF.
Where shields should also being used.
The way you could kill evrybody is becuse they are noobs too then.
Also, you can use the great power of the shield, I just dislike one thing: Free shields.
Shields offered away for nothing, like in Capture3 or Battle1.
I can easy waster a person with a shield off just by being fast.
They are a part of the game, face it.

[Stijn]

Ofcoruse they are part of the game. Otherwise they wouldn't exist. But the fact is they ruin gameplay, especially in CTF because everyone has only 3 hearts then. Plus, it causes lag.

Not everyone likes shields, face it.

[MoonBlazE]

Read my post carefully please, I'm not saying you gotta use shield, I'm saying that shield is PLAYABLE.
I'm tired of people can't face a shield, that I can't change the gameplay to something else, making tactics with it becuse people are hiding in the old.
By saying you think shield is too powerfull, it just shows that you never play with it and can't resist a person with a shield.
Throught, shields is on time, it's just about making a coin warp so it can't be overused like in battle1.
Now try instead of looking from the negative side all the time, try look how shields could be used for good.
That's the best way to find an anwser, overwrise, it's imposible to disquiss anything, whitch I have got an idea your guys can't understand.
This is nothing in offense, this is a way to try use shields ''Right''.

[MaGoo]

We can do whatever we want, this pointless topic won't change anybody's opinions on if they choose to use shields or put them in their levels. Personally I'm against shields. They require no skill at all. Think about how useless this game would become if everybody thought shields were just the best thing in the world. There would never be any competition. So if somebody is hosting a level with a shield, and they don't want you to use it then just obey them. It's not that hard.

[Michael]

Shields are (!), all thje shields, equally, in all the levels, Moonblaze.
I don't agree with your post at all, I'm an oldie and I don't think shields are for newbies even. Shield IS NOT a cheat it's a (!).. a newb mite say it's part of the game but he's lame then.
Btw, too go even more on-topic: MI FAVORAT SHILD IZ DA LAZOR 1. CUZ U ONLEE CEN GET IT WITH CHEETS (WICH R SUPA COOL) AND IT CRASHEZ OTHA PLAYAS........ HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!111 (/end sarcasm)

'Shields makes a different gameplay [a lame gameplay], somehow, JDC finds shields as cheat. [not a cheat, it makes the game very un-fair]
We should try find a way to accept shields in levels [how about this: a good shield is one that stays in the event list], not just make all levels without shields.[why not? would be much fairer]'

The only thing un-fair about shields is one thing, but a big thing: you cannot get hurt.
If you want to get maximum a rated 8 from me in a level with a shield, better be an action packed lev (easy to die) and have a coin warp at a hard to reach place (top?) with a coin warp of about 100 coins.

PS. Sorry if I flamed..

[Instead of apologizing, edit your post. Two bad words removed. You shouldn't use these words in this context -FQuist]

[MoonBlazE]

I give up, it's hopeless try getting you understand.
You can't face the game.
Your guys don't get it.

[Link]

The game isn't fun when you have someone chasing you who can't die. 40 seconds is a very long time in a Jazz game.

I know it is a part of gameplay, but it makes the gameplay unenjoyable for everyone who doesn't have the shield. Sure everyone could get the shield, but then what do you have? A game where everyone is invincible, and then no gameplay happens at all.

[FQuist]

It's a bit hard to grasp from his posts, but Moonblaze actually means shields aren't that bad if they are hard to get.

Imagine a ctf level. It has a fire shield which you can get by collecting 40 coins. This can add excitement, as everyone is trying to collect the coins, as getting the shield could help you with your victory a lot. It's not like everyone is running around in shields then, screaming "I AM INVINCABLEE!!!!!!!!!@#(?!#&(!@!!!!!".

When shields are placed well they might just add something to the gameplay instead.

[Michael]

Now that I give it some thaught, maybe a Shield could be nice if you'd get it then for 70% of it's time be dragged through a slow sucker tube. then you'd have abotu 15 seconds or so only.

[MoonBlazE]

That would also give you 25 seconds away from your team.
That won't work in CTF, maybe battle.

[Enigma]

Well, coins do add excitement to the game, that's true... i remember roasting Disguise at the Anniversary Bash 4 when he had 96 coins, hehe :D I kinda like Nitro's idea too

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

somehow, JDC finds shields as cheat.

I find this statement so wrong. Shields in JDC have always been allowed if not agreed to not be used before a duel or something like that. We do not consider using them cheating unless people give themselves shields in a level that does not have them.

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by Bobby aka Dizzy
Shields in JDC have always been allowedI thought it becuse of the episode where you used shield.
Pretty messed up anyway.

[Stijn]

What link says is actually what I mean. It's kinda frustrating when you can't hit someone because he's tomporily invincible. Ofcourse I understand it's part of the game.

You should understand I don't hate shields. In battles with more than one players and not in one of the official levels they're sometimes (not always) fun. Not in duels, like yesterday in yer new CTF level, because it's kinda unfair, especially in small levels.

[MoonBlazE]

Flash, we all agree shield sucks in small levels without coin warp.
Except if you use Nitro's idea.

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by Nitro
Now that I give it some thaught, maybe a Shield could be nice if you'd get it then for 70% of it's time be dragged through a slow sucker tube. then you'd have abotu 15 seconds or so only.

There's a better way to do that, but I can't find a free image hosting site that isn't just for auction images, and it's hard to explain in words. Try and figure it out..

[Cpp]

Shields are for SINGLE PLAYER game type. But I find them useful in instagib too.

[MoonBlazE]

*Sticks his tounge at Overlord*
You'r just so mean u.u

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

Granting a player invincibility AND a powerful weapon in multiplayer at the same time is just too powerful! I agree, the shields were meant for single-player. When Epic put them in some of the official multiplayer levels (Battle 1, DW), they probably hadn't realised how they would mess up the gameplay. But they do! So I am anti-shields in multiplayer levels. They are just too powerful and grant unfair advantages. Maybe they wouldn't be so bad if other players could hurt players with shields.

AJ2f

[ßúññ¥€lmérTbtCC]

Originally posted by Unhit
I am totally against shield. Using a shield and then roasting an opponent is everything else but hard. Shields suck, they perhaps are a part of the game, but ruin gameplay.

I totally agree.

[URJazzCC]

You ARE right. Shields are bad in some levels, especially when they're easy to get. BUT! If you made them take coins (Like say..40) then it adds exitement. Now, so far I've just repeated what msot people are saying, but alot shorter. BUT now for my idea. You make a level. Then you make a coin warp, and add coins around your level. Then you make the coin warp take you into a tube, when then makes you hit a ceiling spring (Thats floating in the air) and has a shield a few tiles below, which is ontop of a warp (Because of gravity). Then this will make you pay 40 (Or whatever) coins to get 15 (I think) seconds of shield. Because the spring forces you to buttstomp the shield, which I'm pretty sure gives you 15, or 25 seconds. That can cut down ALOT of the cheapness. Now that is the way you use a shield! There are probably some other ways too, but I think this would work the BEST! So if someone put this into DW, or Battle1, then it wouldn't be so terrible! (For duels, MAYBE!) Now I have said what should have been said, and I'm surprised most experienced level makers haven't said this already, and oh look. I'm getting carriedaway and writing a big thing! So I'll stop now......

[EvilMike]

I think the fire shiled is actually kind of sucky if you already have a blaster powerup. It only does 1 damage and cannot fire up. The plasma shield also sucks if you have a blaster powerup (due to not firing up), but at least it does 2 damage.

The water shield though, *is* cheap. It does 2 damage and basically kills everything in front of you. It is the ultimate weapon.

[KJAZZ]

Laser is cheap too EvilMike..chances are if they have it they have a cheating device which probably allows for infinite laser. Not to mention it kicks everyone off of JJ2..

IMO, shields are good if used SPARINGLY (examples above)

Theres my 3 cents.

[URJazzCC]

NOTE: If a laser shield is being used. It is cheating. No matter what! It is cheating. That is the only way to get the laser shield.

[Newspaz]

I think MoonBlaze is right :P

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by Newspaz
I think MoonBlaze is right :P That about Overlord is mean or the bonus warp shield? :P
Okay, we're sure on the water shield should not being used, I can understand that people dislikes it, so either the plasma or fire shield should being used in an expensive coin warp.
Thought, the level should be more than 50x50, might 90x50 or more for contain just a fire shield.
<strike>So let's all go build a 30x30 level with 27 water shields!</strike>

[RockyR]

Hmm, shields.

(This is like a bad or disjointed article rather than a post)

In multiplayer, shields have always been viewed as devilish and players eventually have grown to stop in their tracks in they hit one accidently, and even ask others to help them lose it. The most frequent Diamondus Warzone is found with the shield erased - but of course the plain sight rocket powerup intact.


It's easy to waste someone's shield and although the shots are continuous and doubly powerful, they move mostly straight forward. Anyone can use them back if they want but usually won't want to because they offer some disadvantages.

In single player i'm sure everyone uses them to their heart's content which leads me to believe the game designers intended for the shields to be mainly for single player use, but of course having no issues with their use in multiplayer.
So why are they the butt of so much dislike?

(The story of shields)
Many of the earlier or whatever garbage you want to call them, players, who were also younger at the time, were with those who decided shields were cheap and the staple of immature incoming players. If you see them now, it's still their habit and they won't be using a shield unless by mistake. The original camping was with shields - of course frequently in the diamondus capture level, sitting down in the corner and recollecting the shield and raising hell/heck (forgot if this filters) with it either right there or running into the fray somewhere else until it ran out. No one was going to like that, so it was learned that shields were not to be used! In this way it came that only the new players (who didn't know) were the ones who would use the shields, often obsessively for fun or survival. A new perk against shields was of course the kick feature with the jazz2 patch allowing the server to kick or ban players who decided to use a shield in their game (This was silly). So eventually along with learning how to talk and use regedit, and how to speed up and how little people use treasure hunt or play splitscreen over the internet, a piece of knowledge was that shields are rotten to the core.
Today it seems to be the same process although possibly easier not to pick up a shield in the first place, of course with edited Diamondus Warzone and most multiplayer levels possibly ridden with easy powerups but no shields out in the open.

In respect to that, I don't use shields because you really can't, but they aren't so effective anyways (which means they aren't cheap after all that we've made them) they'll often make you a target for that time or you'll be expected to sit still.



Shield points of interest:
Someone must not know this junk -

As assorted things in Jazz 2 have relations with the genesis Sonic series, the new shields, completely different (And worse) from the two in original Jazz, are probably based on the water, fire, and lightning shields in the third revisiting of Sonic.

This is even less helpful - the fire shield is the only one that was in both games, although in the first Jazz it's only firey because it's red.



Stuff is good

[MoonBlazE]

Basic you just told what we already knew. Erm..yes. Again I'll point it out.
If you'd read mine and FQuist's post you'll could have changed your word instead of repeat the same all the time.
OMG OMG, MY FUR WHERE WHITE FIRST TIME I JOINED A ONLINE GAME SO NOW I'M SURE ON I HAVE TO USE WHITE FUR OF THE REST OF MY LIFE. Get it? ;-P
Shields can be good if they are placed well and you use them right, as both me and FQuist said, bonus warp is one of the best ways, and as Nitro said, you could also slow off the time with suckertubes.
Try wake up and look forward instead of keep the old rumors.
If people can't do that, our community is dead in a week. ;-P

[White Rabbit]

I have mixed feelings towards shields...

I've always prevented ppl from using shields in battle 1 by kicking or asking them to stop although when I think about it, shields can be quite fun. (especially for the one using it ;))

It puts pressure on ppl by giving the shield user invincibility and a powerful weapon and it also makes killing ppl easier. This can be pretty fun in instagib (I tested it out once :D) but maybe not in duels since there is only 1 opponent which means you don't have to worry about any campers etc, etc...

Most things that I've written in this post has been written alredy so instead of showering you all with useless ideas, I'll just say my opinion.

The "bonus warp - suckertube - buttstomp spring" idea is great so instead of sulking around and put the world's most strictest taboo on shields... USE SHIELDS PUT THEM IN YOUR LEVELS!! :D

[ßúññ¥€lmérTbtCC]

Originally posted by URJazzCC
NOTE: If a laser shield is being used. It is cheating. No matter what! It is cheating. That is the only way to get the laser shield.

*agrees*

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by ßúññ¥€lmérTbtCC
*agrees*You didn't need to tell you'd agree with that.
If anybody don't agree with that, we eat them. ;-P
Oh and GET YOUR FINGERS AWAY FROM MY QUOTE YOU FOO#)%#%#¤%¤(?##¤(

[ßúññ¥€lmérTbtCC]

Pie!

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by Moonblaze
[B]and as Nitro said, you could also slow off the time with suckertubes.

WHY? URJazzCC presented a far superior option that has the same effect only is much less annoying.

[MoonBlazE]

I said you could you foo.

[White Rabbit]

Originally posted by ßúññ¥€lmérTbtCC
Pie!

SPAMMER!!!

Ok, since I don't want to spam ;) I'll write something to do with this thread.

Er...

Shields are bad. :p

Er...

But they can be good too. :p

*runs away*

[Trafton AT]

Shields are natural and good.