"Rebels"

[EvilMike]

If anyone has been playing jj2 lately, they have no doubt noticed a recent outbreak of clans, or similar groups of people bent on destroying DM members, JCF admins, and their supporters. They claim our "corrupt tyrany" is a good reason to crash servers we are in and make themselves general nusances. To me it seems most of them are just ex-J2O/JCF members who have been banned for various reasons, and the followers of these people.

Because of the way things are, a lot of DM members have leadership roles in the community. Simply put, they are heavily involved in JDC, J2O and the JCF. The reason is because a DM member, Bobby aka DizZy, owns and pays for J2O. Without him, we wouldn't have this message board, this forum, or JDC. Fquist is another DM member who helps maintain J2O, and he was one of the creators of it. Both of them are the reasons we have this website. Since bobby is one of the leaders of DM, people he will pick to become an admin are also people who would probably be good, loyal clan members. And that is the reason why DM seems to "control" the community sometimes. I admit there is probably a slight bias factor involved too, but it is not the main reason.

So, let's take a look at the reasons why these "rebels", as I call them, seem so bent on ending my reign of "tyrany" and destruction on all you poor souls who have to deal with me.

1. I, or we ban people who are against DM/EM/MERC/GPW/Whatever.
I admit that I am ban-happy sometimes (although I'm not nearly as mean as I was before. I have been making an effort to cut back on this addiction. Heh.). I will NOT, however, ban someone for simply disliking me. I will obviously dislike them back, and keep a close eye on them in case they happen to break a rule, but that's human nature. Everyone who I have banned from J2O, from my recognition, has been banned for abusing the review system or upload system in a severe way. Dislike is one thing, but personal attacks which involve a rating of 1 are something else. That is inexcusable.

2. I stole CraccoBoy's gametypes.
All I have to say about this, is whatever. I respect CraccoBoy for his creativity in comming up with new gametypes, and I happened to come up with a few ideas myself that resembled his. I do not hate CraccoBoy, and I am *pretty sure* that he doesn't dislike me either.

3. I, or a JCF admin, banned them.
All I have to say is, "tough luck". You broke a rule. It was severe enough to result in a ban. Sorry.

4. I am biased against [instert clan].
No, I'm not. I'm against certain members, but not the whole clan.

The people who want to crash servers and generally be an annoyance are just as bad as the people who they claim WE (the admins) are. Don't be a hyppocrite.

Someone has to maintain order, and hold our websites toghether. They are not going to accomplish anything by being destructive. I was actually going to consider listening to a group of these people before they started threatening me. If any of you people who want to make me leave the community (or whatever else you have planned) are reading this, I encourage you to post a good reply. Just don't call me a part of the male anatomy or a female dog. I don't want this topic closed.

[Super Saiyan]

Bah, got to hate those destroyers. By the way there is some program around DLL and RK (eh is this the name?), the program wich activates a laser and then it crashes the server duh. It happened 3 times to me yesterday :(

[MaGoo]

Well said, Mike. I agree with everything you have said, and these groups of people are just making matters worse. Personally, I think this has more humor than anger by what these groups of people have said to me. These "groups" as I call them consist of mostly DDL, RK and GG or something. It's pointless to be fighting about something that you have no control over. Either way, Mike and Bobby and whoever else you dislike have done nothing wrong. This whole argument between us is pointless.

IMONBO. In My Obviously Not Biased Opinon.

[Fawriel]

Franky(FQuist)is a nice quy!
There's no need to dislike or even hat him.
And Bobby is my personal hero for paying this!:D
(Is gonna add something for Dizzy in his sig)

[EvilMike]

Oh, and I have one more thing to say. If you people have anything to protest about, do it in a nonviolent way. Act like a civilized person. Not a terrorist.

[Txl Kill]

They are the Revolutionary Knights... And we will be the revolution of jj2 and stop the power hunger

[Shadow XZ]

Yeah and so is double posting :lol: :P Hmm... Who knows... I have no idea what ther're after... NOT...

[atesoRJOL]

The only thing I dislike about DM is some of the members, a few of them are nice however.

[Iam Canadian]

They claim that some people are "tyrannic" over the rest. People:EVERY community of this size (small;) ) have "leaders". If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have a forum, J2O, and maybe not even a JJ2 anymore:THEY were the ones who changed the server list after Epic's went down...WE owe THEM.(And no, I'm not a suckup :p ) These clans have a right to exist:we DO have free speech. But try to settle this in a CIVILIZED manner, and not by crashing servers, which will help nothing.

[Kaz]

Hmm, pretty sure Overlord did this. There should be a program that just autobann's any user with a shield value of the laser, and the weapon value "of the laser".

Overlord, look into packets if you haven't already.

[Unhit]

I understand that tyrany and don't dislike it. And there are non-DM people with influene, like Derby for the JCF or Enigma and SuperSaiyan for JDC.
I personally don't see a reason to want to setroy the "constitution" we have.

[Stijn]

Yes. Everyone out of TF is nice :)

Altough there are some not-nice DM memebrs (no need to say who) I think everything goes well with you all as admins.

[Txl Kill]

I think u are wrong Canaidan... Every game has a major click... Such as the JCF people who fall under the conrtrol of a group of leaders... But that is just a click other that there is many other who dont and have there own leaders or none at all which most of u dont realize.. I am very thankfull for Bobby paying for this site... But most of u need it more then u need the game.... Alot of people like me played the game with out ever using Jazz 2 City.. I only went there once to download tilesets... I think this community is mostly on this board not on the game.. its rediculous... just my thoughts dont know if anyone agrees with me or not .. and i dont mean this against anyone so dont get mad... Bye

[Krezack]

Originally posted by EvilMike
1. I, or we ban people who are against DM/EM/MERC/GPW/Whatever.
I admit that I am ban-happy sometimes (although I'm not nearly as mean as I was before. I have been making an effort to cut back on this addiction. Heh.). I will NOT, however, ban someone for simply disliking me. I will obviously dislike them back, and keep a close eye on them in case they happen to break a rule, but that's human nature. Everyone who I have banned from J2O, from my recognition, has been banned for abusing the review system or upload system in a severe way. Dislike is one thing, but personal attacks which involve a rating of 1 are something else. That is inexcusable.

Hey, that is a good idea. Why don't you ban people who are against you? RULE WITH AN IRON FIST! NO MERCY. I mean, it seems to fit their tyranical discription of you perfectly. If you are given a reputation, you might as well use that to your advantage, right? ;)

Originally posted by EvilMike
2. I stole CraccoBoy's gametypes.
All I have to say about this, is whatever. I respect CraccoBoy for his creativity in comming up with new gametypes, and I happened to come up with a few ideas myself that resembled his. I do not hate CraccoBoy, and I am *pretty sure* that he doesn't dislike me either.

Yea, and I stole Epic's gametypes aswell. Do I give a carpet? :p

Originally posted by EvilMike
3. I, or a JCF admin, banned them.
All I have to say is, "tough luck". You broke a rule. It was severe enough to result in a ban. Sorry.

Got you suckers!

Originally posted by EvilMike
4. I am biased against [instert clan].
No, I'm not. I'm against certain members, but not the whole clan.

I am against whole clans. FIGHT ME, YA'LL!

Well, it was fun while it lasted.

[Chiyu]

A lot of places have leaders indeed but a on-line game shouldn't have leaders of the game itself. This is ridiculous; people don't buy the game to automatically get leaders, everybody has to be equal.
I fully support GG (which is a clan group consisting of CC, TEC, XD and JOL) and I'm in it, but we're no terrorist group at all. See us like CTU, just a clangroup trying to come up for the rights of the clans within, and trying to keep clans and things peaceful and equal at JJ2 and stuff.

[Krezack]

Originally posted by CraccoBoyCC rights of the clans within, and trying to keep clans and things peaceful and equal at JJ2 and stuff.

I LIEK BOLD TEXTSSS. NARF.

[Newspaz]

Actually, I think it's the player's personal opinion if he visits the site or not. Noone forces you to visit J2O. Noone forces you to look up to Bobby. In fact, you shouldn't. He's a person just like us <s>with to much money to spend</s>

[Iam Canadian]

Like I said, these clans have a right to exist-free speech remember? But the groups (DDL in particular) needn't act like terrorists, crash servers, or spam the forum.(*Cough Canadian778cough*) These groups do have valid points-but if they want to get any kind of positive attention, they really ought to act like civil people.

[~SPLASH~]

*comes running in, looks around, grabs some pie, eats it, and starts talking*

This whole anti-DM stuff and anti-J2O is disgusting> I have tp admit, back in the days I wasn't always as happy with J2O, but there is something these 'rebels' need to know: J2O is a FANsite, not a COMMUNITYsite. Just because everyone else is too lazy to create a decent site similiair to J2O doesnt mean you can automatically call this site the 'mainbase' of the game. If you are a rebel and think J2O is biased, I suggest you start your own site. Ow, and php scripting and pay adresses aren't neccesary, Jazz2City didnt have log in feautures either, people can submit downloads, and you can do some stuff about webspace...


Everyone who is stupid enough to be a rebel, I would suggest you shut up, stop trying to take over a game or community (if you rreally think you can do that you are either ret@rded or stuck in Medieval Times, this is a fricking Internet Game, helllooooo!) and start your own site.

There.

[Super Saiyan]

Ohh :D Tuff words Splash :)

[Chiyu]

I never said anything about J2o.. That's not what GG is against, if I were totally against it I wouldn't even go there myself. And I doubt that Jazz2Online itself is a problem to RK either. I don't know about DDL though, but I doubt it. They have something against some people, not against a site.

[Trafton AT]

I can safely say that the GG clangroup (CC, JOL, and XD) will not tolerate the current path these self-proclaimed "rebels" are going down. We fully support the Jazz2Online site and hold no grudes against any clan. This is a sad thing to see, and hope that the "rebels" will change their mind before they do any damage.

[~SPLASH~]

Damage? If they are able to deliver some kind of noticable damage to anything, they will get a free pie and a picture with signature from me ;) j/k/ Ooh, I am so scared of those rebels, I mean, they are sooo mean, they hide behind their computers and try to take over an online game..(-) my pants here ;)

Derby: Content edit.

[FQuist]

I never get these people that say we're biased and abuse our power for we have never abused our power, I'd think. Do we ban any clans? Do we ban people for no reason?

[EvilMike]

I should say that the jazz2 community is not run by anyone. You can still interact with groups of jj2 players without visiting the websites.

Anyway, I think I should make it clear that DM does not control jj2. Even if controling websites means controling jj2, most of DM isn't even involved in this kind of stuff. It's mostly just bobby and I, plus a couple of other members who are JDC officials. Most of the clan is not an admin or anything.

[neoCC]

RK is right, we will NOT tollerate that JJ2 is in the hands of 1 clan .
so people PLEASE STOP this madness .
I remeber the times that JJ2 whas a safe place with LOT of clans
and now one POWERHUNGRY clan is trying to destroy it . I ask you on more time STOP this madness.

[Trafton AT]

I would like to clarify my previous post:
I meant we are passive, and would never attack servers or hack, not that we support DM. GG is against powerhungry people, but would never resort to the methods the rebels are.

(Trafton: generalization edit.)

[Chiyu]

Originally posted by ~SPLASH~
Damage? If they are able to deliver some kind of noticable damage to anything, they will get a free pie and a picture with signature from me ;) j/k/ Ooh, I am so scared of those rebels, I mean, they are sooo mean, they hide behind their computers and try to take over an online game..(-) my pants here ;)

The army of volunteering rebels isn't out to taking over JJ2 (maybe DDL is, I dunno), but more like making sure that OTHERS won't do that.
GG is allied with RK now.

Derby: Previous quotation edit.

[~SPLASH~]

Originally posted by CraccoBoyCC


The army of volunteering rebels isn't out to taking over JJ2 (maybe DDL is, I dunno), but more like making sure that OTHERS won't do that.
GG is allied with RK now.
that's even more pathetic :rolleyes: Trying to prevent people from taking over the game....whoever thinks this stuff happens is probably a huge uberdork, locked up in a basement for alot of years with only Final Fantasy games and Age of Empires. :p

[Unhit]

I guess I saw fake-DMs right now. Bobby/EvilMike, I'd like to show you a screenshot. Please contact me.

[EvilMike]

I was just wondering, what exactly do you people want? I know you want to put a stop to my "crazy powerhungy reign of terror", or whatever, but how do you want me to stop it? Do you want me to close DM? Do you want me to resign as a J2O and JDC admin? Do you want the community sites to be closed off? Do YOU want to be an admin? I don't get it. I have had a bunch of people talking to me about stuff, but they never make it clear what they want.

[neoCC]

What we want ?
Don't just kick and ban everyone from J2O because then you are a corrupted admin,Don't make JJ2 an unpleasent place for EVERYONE , and ffs , give other clans a chanse to be big , that is something that you cant do if you want to thake over whole of JJ2 , and besides what would be the fun if you have whole of JJ2 , you don't have a clan to do a war against , because then the only clan wil be DM , think about it , just think about it for a second .
what other clans have done for years now , you would destroy it , for years now clans have tried to make JJ2 a good place , like I said in my earlier post , i remember that time , I am sure the most of you will also remember it , in those day's nobosy wanted to thakeover JJ2 , nobody wanted to hack somebody , and now you want to destroy it ?

Do you understand it now evilmike ? JJ2 is a fun place , let it be like that , and let nobody ever thake control over it , THAT is for what WE fight .

[EvilMike]

You probably should realize that I don't just let anyone in DM. In fact, the only way to really get into it is to be a friend of the leader. We don't just scoop up any old player we see. It's one of the hardest clans to get into. I don't seek to dominate the entire game. I support the growth of other clans, and I try not to "steal members". I enjoy competition with other skilled groups of players. Currently I am not accepting new members into DM because I feel it is too big.

Also, I don't ban many people from J2O (or JDC for that matter) at all. The last person I banned from JDC was way back in last season when people were posting fake duels, among other exploits. The last person I banned from j2o was several months ago, and that was because he repeatedly posted reviews with a score of 1 and nonsensical content (something along the lines of "not pink enough"). Usually I will only give a warning to people who do such things if it is the first time they do it, although I admit I like to edit things into "I shall wash my mouth out with soap" if they include swearwords. Heh.

what other clans have done for years now , you would destroy it , for years now clans have tried to make JJ2 a good place , like I said in my earlier post , i remember that time , I am sure the most of you will also remember it , in those day's nobosy wanted to thakeover JJ2 , nobody wanted to hack somebody , and now you want to destroy it ?
I have never wanted to hack someone. I have never wanted to take over jj2. I have never wanted to destroy jj2. The people who have wanted to do such things are DDL, and a few other clans of years ago. I'm not sure if I have had a clone running around or something, because I have never once said anything along the lines of "I want to hack you and destroy you".

[neoCC]

I never said YOU wanted to hack somebody , I am only talking to you in the first part , all te rest if to who JJ2 .

[Chiyu]

Bolt said he'd explain the situation here, but because he's banned here, he'll do it at the CCMB instead. When he has posted, I'll tell you and give the link.

[Unhit]

Originally posted by neoCC
What we want ?
Don't just kick and ban everyone from J2O because then you are a corrupted admin,Don't make JJ2 an unpleasent place for EVERYONE , and ffs , give other clans a chanse to be big , that is something that you cant do if you want to thake over whole of JJ2 , and besides what would be the fun if you have whole of JJ2 , you don't have a clan to do a war against , because then the only clan wil be DM , think about it , just think about it for a second .
what other clans have done for years now , you would destroy it , for years now clans have tried to make JJ2 a good place , like I said in my earlier post , i remember that time , I am sure the most of you will also remember it , in those day's nobosy wanted to thakeover JJ2 , nobody wanted to hack somebody , and now you want to destroy it ?

Do you understand it now evilmike ? JJ2 is a fun place , let it be like that , and let nobody ever thake control over it , THAT is for what WE fight .

Imho, this tyrany just exists in your mind. The JJ2 community is a great place to meet, play, talk etc.
Get ANYONE from another game to visit this community, J2O, JDC and its board for two weeks only. Then ask him if there is ANY kind of strict constitution in this community. Bet he will vote no if he wasn't biased.

[FQuist]

I don't get it. NeoCC, are you accusing us of corruption because we ban and kick people from j2o?

Are you trying to say we want to takeover jj2?

[Trafton AT]

Then ask him if there is ANY kind of strict constitution in this community. Bet he will vote no if he wasn't biased.
Unhit, that makes no sense. If he or she had an opinion, they would be biased. Asking people that have no idea what you are talking about makes for odd results. ;)

[Unhit]

It makes sense. If he was biased, which means i.e. he was a friend of any "rebel" or people that want to change something (as neo), he will vote on "yes" for to "help" them. But if he has no idea about the JJ2 community and their players before, he will vote on "no" after two weeks, because nobody told him before to watch out for the two MAGIC (:p) letters DM.

[Krezack]

Mike, don't blame yourself for what comes next.

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/macro/threadsucks.jpg

I claim page 2 for J2O. J2O owns all. J2O is a tyranical menace. Submit to J2O.*

*the previous 3 sentences are works of sarcasm. If you can not see this, I take no responsibility.

[EvilMike]

Oh yeah? Well, I have two words for everyone, regarding you!

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/macro/troll.jpg

*runs away giggling and then slams face first into a brick wall*

<strike>My glasses are broken now and it's all your fault. I'm going to ban you from J2O and JDC and the JCF. And your clan. And get you deported from that country you are from. XXXX I think it's called. Lol. Uppercase F looks funny when striked out. It looks like an L but upside down. Lol. Uppercase L looks like an F upside down. HAhaha ha haha ha ha</strike>

*falls asleep*

[Enigma]

It's a silly idea to say that DM is destroying other clans and preventing them from growing and being happy. A clan is what it's own members make of it. Please name some clans that have been deprived of happiness just because of DM's existence.

As for J2O, JCF and JDC "tyranny": would you prefer people attacking and flaming each other, cheating, giving bad reviews just because they don't like the person who posted a download? Without anyone even trying to stop it? If you're just nice to each other, and leave those who you don't like alone, i'd say you're not very likely to get banned from anything. If you feel attacked on J2O and can't resolve the matter with the person, just contact an admin, don't start flaming each other in public. If it is a DM member you're having problems with and don't trust the other DMs, you might think of contacting a non-DM admin. Really, they exist. Or, even more simple, ask a reasonable friend who isn't an enemy of either side to have a talk with the other party. Someone neutral can be a big help in cases like this. And it's not really like they ban someone for one error. If they did, 90% of the community would be gone already. They don't even give real warnings (the sort that can get you banned) as easily as you might think. There are plenty of things that might've deserved a warning (including some stuff i wrote myself in the past), but didn't get one. So i wouldn't say the community is run by a bunch of tyrants bent on destroying fun for jj2 players. They're just humans like you and me, who go to quite some trouble to make the best out of this community. So don't be too quick to call them tyrants and other nice things like that. The community would look a LOT different without them, probably not in a positive way...

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Enigma
If they did, 90% of the community would be gone already.
That's really true!
But I must say...
I got a warning already fer something quite minor(bypassing filter with hell).Shocked me in some way...
But after I saw how MANY warnings the DDL guys got before being banned,I feel that you have to be quite a *censored*person for being banned!:D

P.S:Was saying"other word for inferno"allowed now?

Derby: Filter bypass fix.

[<Crono>]

It seems like hell and **** shouldn't be censored since they are actually used in Jazz2.
BTW I only bypassed the filter because I feel I'm not using these words in an offensive way.
EDIT: Um sorry if this is offtopic :p

Mabey if u cut back on the filtering and allowed some more words, like the ones I metnioned above, The rebels might lay off a bit :D, just a thought:p

[EDIT: You should make :P work for :p instead of only with a lower case p]

Derby: Filter bypass edit? I'm not even sure if these words are in the filter anymore. You probably shouldn't even attempt to bypass the filters, though. It's a pretty bad offense.

[Txl Kill]

lol unhnit what are u talking about? lol maybe its just me but that came out all weird inside and made me feel funny...

Txl Kill = JohanRK

and yes i did crash a DM server just to test one of my progs dont take it to offesivly

[FQuist]

Hell is not censored. The other word that has a meaning a bit similar to it will be censored. If you use it for the tileset, bypass the censor, that's fine with me.

And if you talk about rebelling people like Bolt! and DDL_Klein, they did not exactly get banned for bypassing a filter.

[Assassin]

Been a while since I posted here...
Just wanted to say when I only played on TSF (a very long while back) everything was great.
Everyone accepted eachother,etc.
But when I found out I also could play 1.23, I found out GPW (I don't know if it still exists) was practiccaly owning whole 1.23.
About everyone that meant something in the whole JJ2 community was in there.
I agree with the ones saying a clan shouldn't own a game.
And I seriously had the feeling they did back then.
But like I said, I don't know if they still exist or if there is a new clan like it but (all?) of the admins and mods here were in it.
Just wanted to say that...
ty.

[FQuist]

You can't own jj2.

[Fawriel]

Epic does!:p
But they don't care about anything here!

[Assassin]

I don't mean the own in owning something.
I mean it in a way that they are much better and higher then the other ppl on jj2.

[Iam Canadian]

I feel so torn apart on this subject. On one hand, why should these clans and individuals be higher elevated than the rest? This is a game where rabbits murder each other, not some government. On the other hand, if these people weren't here, we wouldn't have J2O, JCF, JDC, or maybe not even a JJ2! I'll clarify on that last one: If no one made that patch to fix the listservers, we wouldn't have online play after Epic's list went down. And we wouldn't have a place to distribute it! Quite the complex subject: Gosh darn it, I came to shoot rabbits, not think!;)

[Unhit]

Originally posted by Assassin87
Been a while since I posted here...
Just wanted to say when I only played on TSF (a very long while back) everything was great.
Everyone accepted eachother,etc.
But when I found out I also could play 1.23, I found out GPW (I don't know if it still exists) was practiccaly owning whole 1.23.
About everyone that meant something in the whole JJ2 community was in there.
I agree with the ones saying a clan shouldn't own a game.
And I seriously had the feeling they did back then.
But like I said, I don't know if they still exist or if there is a new clan like it but (all?) of the admins and mods here were in it.
Just wanted to say that...
ty.

Ow, didn't know GpW owned JJ2. Thanks for the news.

[Trafton AT]

GpW was extremely powerful, but didn't own JJ2...

[Newspaz]

Originally posted by Trafton AT
GpW was extremely powerful, but didn't own JJ2...

Actually, it wasn't like that. People assumed we were powerfull. Why? Because other people liked us. Why did other people like us? Because we used to be a strong clan, and we were an old clan.

And people got to know us because of multiple members being active on this online community. So actually, it's the community which gave clans like DM or GPW their popularity.

[Trafton AT]

I know. :)
I didn't say you forced it on people. It was well-earned. :D

[Chiyu]

I am kinda worried now. Bolt said he was going to leave JJ2, if he couldn't bring the revolution to a good end. But he wouldn't leave without giving a final blow.. What if that anti-DM tileset/level was that final blow? That'd mean that Bolt is gone from our community now.. Ugh.. :(

[Trafton AT]

But if that wasn't the final blow...
Eep...

[Unhit]

<s>Every war takes its victims</s>

It's quite arrogant to leave for something like that imho.

[Trafton AT]

This is getting out of hand.

[Trafton AT]

(Trafton: link removal edit. Extremely strong content.)

[Trafton AT]

I agree. I was going to post the link to the tileset, but I would rather it not spread. It is very contenty.

[Krezack]

Originally posted by EvilMike
Oh yeah? Well, I have two words for everyone, regarding you!

http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/macro/troll.jpg

*runs away giggling and then slams face first into a brick wall*

<strike>My glasses are broken now and it's all your fault. I'm going to ban you from J2O and JDC and the JCF. And your clan. And get you deported from that country you are from. XXXX I think it's called. Lol. Uppercase F looks funny when striked out. It looks like an L but upside down. Lol. Uppercase L looks like an F upside down. HAhaha ha haha ha ha</strike>

*falls asleep*

Can't stop http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/images/macro/trolling.jpg

[defalcon]

Why are DM's and GpW's 'elevated'? Well, they're not, but if you want a reason:
- They pay for, created, maintain and run J2O and the JCf
- I do believe these JDC adnims have been around for a while (since it's CONCEPTION, perhaps?)
- It is their site. Duh.

I was trying to resist posting here, but this is getting out of hand. EvilMike is a fair admin, more lenient than many others on other forums. I bet if any of these so called rebels ran a board and had people come and try to mouth them out they would have banned those people. Mike could probably have that done afaik but he hasn't - why? Because he is fair, despite what you claim.

Blazey: They're likening Bobby to Hitler? That is plain sad. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but all those so called rebels: That is just SAD. Cue the eyes, mister smiley: :roll:

Newspaz: Exactly. Why are DM's and GpW's so popular? They earned respect by being good players, nice people, and when it came to things such as this, fair. If you want to take control, not that you can control a game :rolleyes: then start your own site out of the goodness for your heart, pay for things, code it by hand, be fair, and stop trying to lay stuff like this out. For the last time, it's a GAME. It can't be controlled or taken over. They run the site because they made it. They pay for it. They maintain it, so people can use and enjoy it.

This isn't a community site, it's a fansite, to quote someone else who posted earlier. If you don't like the way things are done around here, try building your own site. And stick around for a few years while maintaining a friendly, respectful image like the clans did and I'm sure you'll be '1337' and popular. :roll:

/harsh rant off

[Krezack]

Originally posted by defalcon
Why are DM's and GpW's 'elevated'? Well, they're not, but if you want a reason:
- They pay for, created, maintain and run J2O and the JCf
- I do believe these JDC adnims have been around for a while (since it's CONCEPTION, perhaps?)
- It is their site. Duh.

I was trying to resist posting here, but this is getting out of hand. EvilMike is a fair admin, more lenient than many others on other forums. I bet if any of these so called rebels ran a board and had people come and try to mouth them out they would have banned those people. Mike could probably have that done afaik but he hasn't - why? Because he is fair, despite what you claim.

Blazey: They're likening Bobby to Hitler? That is plain sad. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but all those so called rebels: That is just SAD. Cue the eyes, mister smiley: :roll:

Newspaz: Exactly. Why are DM's and GpW's so popular? They earned respect by being good players, nice people, and when it came to things such as this, fair. If you want to take control, not that you can control a game :rolleyes: then start your own site out of the goodness for your heart, pay for things, code it by hand, be fair, and stop trying to lay stuff like this out. For the last time, it's a GAME. It can't be controlled or taken over. They run the site because they made it. They pay for it. They maintain it, so people can use and enjoy it.

This isn't a community site, it's a fansite, to quote someone else who posted earlier. If you don't like the way things are done around here, try building your own site. And stick around for a few years while maintaining a friendly, respectful image like the clans did and I'm sure you'll be '1337' and popular. :roll:

/harsh rant off

Why waste the time and typing energy? It will never even get past their retinas, let alone penetrate their soft tissue bits. (the ones in the head, not the lower ones)

[defalcon]

Originally posted by Krezack
Why waste the time and typing energy? It will never even get past their retinas, let alone penetrate their soft tissue bits. (the ones in the head, not the lower ones)
They have soft tissue in their heads? ;)
I realise that they probably won't read it...you have to be smart enough to understand the alphabet for that. ;)

[Krezack]

Originally posted by defalcon

. . . they probably won't read it...you have to be smart enough to understand the alphabet for that. ;)

HECK! How could I have forgotten that? Glad you reminded me.

[Chiyu]

Ofcourse they can't read it. Most of the most active generals of RK are already banned from this forum, how can they read it then?


Hmm I wonder why GpW is getting involved too, I haven't seen any attacks on GpW lately at all, also before it's dead. And besides, the revolution isn't against DM, J2o/JDC/JCF itself, but against some people, who just happen to be involved with those things.

[RockyR]

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No wait,

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Wow, this is pretty silly. But I have some serious things to say to "both sides". (http://www.nirvana2.com/smilies/haha.gif)

To the side of evilmike -
Um, don't react at all to this, please. I'd say don't overreact but considering any of this as serious is not a good idea because it is a huge joke. To not break this text up further I won't post another smile. These are pre-teen age basically children, on the internet, which is always a dumb combination. Don't even reply here because everything about this is embarrasingly juvenile. You're older from what I remember so it matters nil.

To the side of the 'rebels' http://www.nirvana2.com/smilies/haha.gif
I'm not going to insult this side either because, honestly, who cares? Go play the game or do something else and realize, what are you wasting your time on? You shouldn't take this seriously either. "Bobby and mike" run teh community because they are administrators. I don't know what they do in games, maybe they play or something. I am in "dm" and from what I know we've never done anything ever and putting the dm after your name basically limits your name length prior to it. It is great to be in a group with so many old friends, but I don't think we actually do anything. I hope eventually the "opposing side" of yours realizes that taking any of this seriously is a huge joke.

Basically I agree with mr. Splash. This kind of stuff on the internet especially a nonchalant game like jazz is sad (As in pathetic!) although seeing anyone take it seriously is worthy of a laugh. http://www.nirvana2.com/smilies/haha.gif Internet is not real life, and if you're not acquainted with that, get one please for the sake of people who do. . .



Stuff is good

[EvilMike]

You're in DM? Cool ;P


As for me taking this seriously, I have two words. Ha ha. Maybe 3. Ha.

This is all so amusing that I look forward to each day of people threatening to hack me. It's great.

[Trafton AT]

It seems fairly quiet today.

[Iam Canadian]

Is it over? NOTHING'S OVER UNTIL WE SAY IT'S OVER!!!!..Erm...you might want to ignore that. Seriously, I think the worst of this is over.

[Trafton AT]

Yeah...

[FQuist]

So, craccoboy, why not post a list of people you are against? With evidence, or whatever? I'm getting sick of this idiotic "revolution". If creating bobby=hitler tilesets is your idea of improving jj2 you are out of your mind.

[DarkShadow]

Amen

[Newspaz]

Originally posted by Fquist
So, craccoboy, why not post a list of people you are against? With evidence, or whatever? I'm getting sick of this idiotic "revolution". If creating bobby=hitler tilesets is your idea of improving jj2 you are out of your mind.

Actually, it wasn't CB who made that set.

[Trafton AT]

Newspaz is right. CraccoBoy was not responsible for that tileset. He is out of town, and will be back Monday.

[FQuist]

Did I say he made that tileset? No.

He's allied with RK, so he basically supports this action. If he did not he should have distanced himself from RK.

I'm inviting any non-banned 'rebels' for posting a list of things going wrong in this community, with good arguments and evidence.

[Trafton AT]

I don't believe we are currently "allied" with RK. The post that said so was a typo.

[FQuist]

Right. So when Cracco said he was allied with RK it was a typo?

[RockyR]

Before I say more garbage I want to apolgize to mr. EvilMike because I was unaware anything was actually happening to him (or being threatened) or more accurately his property, by basically preteenagers. An odd internet this is where people who don't know any better can still mess with other people in a more serious way than you'd assume.

There's no reason to really talk more about this but i've been surprised as to how some of this message board/game is set up after all. Mainly I'm "startled" if you prefer as to how important "clans" are made to look when the real official dueling system is JDC, and clans are so unconsequential it's amusing. I'm also "baffled" about the concept of revolution and community (less about this) is respect to real life. This thing here in the form of the message board/useful website can always be called a community because it is people talking with eachother and doing stuff together (Stuff is good), but it isn't really people and it isn't a solid environment that can really be affected by anything. Nothing about this prevents an actual "person" from doing something - which is why a "revolution" is even more amusing. This isn't russia or something.

No one has any authority (Administrators take care of the message board) and no there are not rules, you just can't participate in pyramid schemes and be vulgar and that sort of thing. This also shouldn't have a shred of importance in anyone's life unless of course they run it and then it's important, aside from a leisure activity or a game.

I don't know much about what is going on here, but I also don't care, and neither should you, those who are "fed up" with such an "important" thing as whatever you're upset about. Don't be a dummy and go play the game or go outside or something. If you're young and you don't realize that later you'll look back and be like, "Wow you mean I thought that was important and I did something dumb related to what, the internet community??", calm down for your own benefit and be smart.
"Arguing on the internet is like being in the Special Olympics," says a picture which I don't know the link to, "Even if you win you're still retarded" (Not to insult those who are retarded)
Don't be silly and don't get the message board cluttered with this junk and bother the administrators. :p

[Trafton AT]

I believe so, yes, but I'm not 100% sure.

[Iam Canadian]

Rocky raises a good point. (If I read it right.:D) It's just a GAME! It all boils down to little pixels on a screen. Folks, we're not talking about conquering a country here, we're talking about people trying to conquer a GAME. A tiny, minsclule game. Sorry if I sound harsh, but we all gotta face facts here:it's just a GAME. Make believe. Fiction. Fantasy. We're (hopefully) not like those nutcases who commit suicide over games, who obviously aren't mentally ready to play video games. Remember: it's a GAME.

[Unhit]

Now, let's have another look on the things going on. All rebels seem to have forgot that Epic kinda abandoned our nice bunnygame. Now I ask you out there, would you have the courage and do you know PHP-scripting and other programming that well that you could make another J2O as well? Do you think it was that great as our J2O is now and would you even pay money for it as FQuist and Bobby do? I bet you wouldn't.

[Unhit]

Originally posted by Moonblaze
After that I closed jingame.exe, and joined the TFtraining server.

Good boy ;P!

[Trafton AT]

Yes, I joined just as Blazeh started attacking. It hadn't even said I joined yet. :D

Of course, it crashed my *entire* computer because it was so unstable that day. :p

[EvilMike]

Anyone who crashes a server for any reason is just as bad as the next person. Do not fight fire with fire.

If you were in my clan, you wouldn't be any more, moonblaze.

[Trafton AT]

Uh...he is in a clan, I believe. I thought he was a member of TF/FoF?

[Chiyu]

Originally posted by EvilMike
Anyone who crashes a server for any reason is just as bad as the next person. Do not fight fire with fire.

If you were in my clan, you wouldn't be any more, moonblaze.

Listen to Mike here!

Instead, fight fire by:
- Cooling the temperature
- Taking the fuel away
- Closing the fire off to air



Please always remember; Fire is hot, don't touch it kiddies!

[Trafton AT]

I think he means you have to be careful around fire, but I was lost pretty quickly. ;)

[Fawriel]

I do believe you guys don't really take this seriously...:rolleyes:

[FQuist]

I would still like to see a list of bad people, though.

[Unhit]

Originally posted by EvilMike
Anyone who crashes a server for any reason is just as bad as the next person. Do not fight fire with fire.

If you were in my clan, you wouldn't be any more, moonblaze.


*doesn't watch that* :D

MB, I don't like crashing servers at all. That does have a simple root: I hate and abandon ANY kind of cheat programmes and all people that use them just to make others angry. I won't kick you out of TF for that, but I ask you not to do something like that again. No crashing, no cheating.

[Chiyu]

To Trafton: Yep.
To Moonblaze: I don't think you can stop Bolt (or his followers) from spreading the tileset. A lot of people already have it on their PCs and if someone asks them to send it, they will. And besides, after your crash, the server got rehosted didn't it?
To Frank Puist: I rarely make typos. Btw, what do you mean with a list of bad people?

[$tilettø]

You can crash their server but will that help?

NO

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by EvilMike
Anyone who crashes a server for any reason is just as bad as the next person.Thanks, I tried protect young kids in the age of 10 that wouldn't understand it.
Remember how hitler can damage people's feelings.
Well, I'm out of this then, if it's in the way that you like it evilmike. ;)

[<Crono>]

Originally posted by Unhit
Now, let's have another look on the things going on. All rebels seem to have forgot that Epic kinda abandoned our nice bunnygame. Now I ask you out there, would you have the courage and do you know PHP-scripting and other programming that well that you could make another J2O as well? Do you think it was that great as our J2O is now and would you even pay money for it as FQuist and Bobby do? I bet you wouldn't.
I would if I still activly played JJ2, instead, I'm making an RPG site.

[FQuist]

Originally posted by CraccoBoyCC
To Frank Puist: I rarely make typos. Btw, what do you mean with a list of bad people? [/B]

Frank Puist? :p

Are you allied with RK? That would mean you support the tileset. I hope you're not allied with them and made a typo.

I would like to see a list of people you accuse of being corrupted/power hungry. Who is GG exactly against?

[Unhit]

Originally posted by Fquist
I would like to see a list of people you accuse of being corrupted/power hungry. Who is GG exactly against?

That's a good idea.


@Crono: I'd wish you much fun already now. Sorry, but really. I don't think you'd ever complete something complete like J2O, especially when you KNEW there was already J2O and you were just programming a "clone".

[Newspaz]

I've got an even better solution. They crash your server. You ban them, they won't crash your server. Problem solved. They'll be gone in no time.

[Chiyu]

Hmmm, GG and RK aren't allies anymore. I'm not sure if RK is still alive either.

GG isn't really a group of people who want to demonstrate against certain things or people, our goal is to keep JJ2 peaceful and all people/clans equal.

[$tilettø]

And how would you keep clans equal thats almost impossible

[FQuist]

But Craccoboy, WHICH people? WHICH things?

[RockyR]

What does GG stand for? GG used to be Bluez's clan which is now part of DM (Probably in the form of myself) but your "lobbying group" might not stand for "good guys" like his did. Not that it matters, I was just wondering.

I'm honestly pretty sure that something like this can be peaceful, or non-peaceful, and it's definitely equal because most of us are good-natured. I like that you're approaching this in a calm manner, but it also seems like you're going after the wrong folks if you're aimed at bobby and evilmike (Which you may not be, I haven't paid much attention thankfully)

[Chiyu]

I'm saying that GG (= Golden Gathering) is NOT taking any actions against people or things now, unlike RK and DDL.

[$tilettø]

Originally posted by Fquist
But Craccoboy, WHICH people? WHICH things?
it seems that you are Avoiding that Question

So make a list? :-P

[Trafton AT]

(Trafton: hiding the obvious edit.)

[Chiyu]

Originally posted by $tilettø
it seems that you are Avoiding that Question

So make a list? :-P

I dont get it. Why do 'I' have to make a list? I'm not aggresively protestating, like the rebels here.

[Trafton AT]

CB has a point. The rebels should post the list, not him.

(You told me you were asleep, CB. ;-P)

[<Crono>]

I'd wish you much fun already now. Sorry, but really. I don't think you'd ever complete something complete like J2O, especially when you KNEW there was already J2O and you were just programming a "clone".
J2O is one reason I'm not doing it, the Jazz2 community isn't big enough for 2 major sites, if j2o wasn't here I'd jump on the oppertunity to make a site.

[Trafton AT]

Exactly my sentiments.

[ShadowGPW]

What was first vs [GpW] is now vs DM :P

Its about 'TIME' you peeps see it

[Trafton AT]

Who is "you peeps"?

[Shadow XZ]

Here I am. Ready to talk. As the supposed "leader" of the rebels, I'm here to explain so many questions you all have asked. Many of you are explaining about why we rebels would do such a thing. Well, after analyzing this stuff, I realize that it was because for one reason for me anyway, was because of the moderators on JCF, with their editting of posts... and so on... I know some reasons for editing posts are for swearing and stuff and thats fine, but for some reasons at least to me make little or no sense... (And yes, I know spam is not good), and such, and also a personal conflict that I had with a moderator that I'm not sure of, that on my account on J2O lowered it to a lesser status. I then tried contacting every moderator that is on J2O to help, and they kept referring me to other moderators who in turn would lead me to others, and so on. That is one of my reasons... I guess here is a slight list of some reasons... *I don't mean these as personal attacks. Most of these reasons are no longer a factor for me anyway...*

ShadowGPW: I have reason to believe you are the one that lowered my account, and I tried talking to you about it and you didn't listen or even give me another response about it.

EvilMike: Dunno... Somehow you got caught up in this big mess with the rebel clans... Don't ask me. I've got nothing against you.

FQuist: Again, other people have said that you are "power hungry" I'm not sure about that either...

The clan of DM in itself: This is a big misunderstanding. Many members of the rebellion didn't realize DM actually owned and payed for the site in general. Which does give you guys a right to rule the board with an iron... umm... paw I suppose... anyway.

I'm sorry for any problems "I" may have been responsible for. Also, moderators of J2O, please try to fix this problem, or at least PM me with an explanation of the low accessing of my account.
That's pretty much it. Keep in mind. DDL is not only a "game hacking group" its also a regular clan like any other. The hacking team and clan itself should not be thought of as the same, though they may be, they are not doing the same actions. *pardon if that doesn't make sense, but if it does, good.*

[ShadowGPW]

lol, this topic should be in Comedy Cafe

[Txl Kill]

Didnt know they payed and ran it? I thought that was somthing everyone knew... oh well

[Chiyu]

By the way. It's kinda meaningless to ask questions here about the revolution, and require lists and stuff since the heads of the rebels are banned from this so they can't answer. Kinda fishy. Confontrate them on a MB where they aren't banned, or talk with them on MSN/ICQ/AIM/YIM.

[Trafton AT]

lol, this topic should be in Comedy Cafe
More like the Topics Going Nowhere forum.

[Unhit]

I know who you (the rebels) are now and I have screenshots to prove it. I won't tell any names now, but I give you a chance to say you are it. Bobby is already contacted. What I saw in that server wasn't funny anymore. If the attacked people would revenge themselves as you'd prolly do it in such a situation, you would get banned I am sure.
Sentences like (vulgar insults -FQuist) aren't funny any more.

As I said, I give you a chance to tell you are a "rebel". But if you won't use it, I will really send all screenshots and information I have to Bobby or Mike.

[Sorry, censor edit -FQuist]

[DDL_Klein]

although my ip was supposdly ban( i need to learn to spell) i have this to say
i am the main reason that ddl exsists
DDL used to be called TG ( Trainers Galore ) until it was relocated and renamed to DDL , now it is a game hacking groupe and clan,
oh and if your looking for somone to blame, Blame KirbygSSB, although he is a really good guy im afraid he is the one to blame for the creation of TG/DDL
thats all im saying, :D

[FQuist]

Bye.

[4I Falcon]

Originally posted by CraccoBoyCC
Hmmm, GG and RK aren't allies anymore. I'm not sure if RK is still alive either.

I do believe it was one of RK's goons that duped me into thinking I could join DM a few days ago?

Sorry, I just can't get over that. Pardon my incessant ranting.

[Shadow XZ]

Well don't worry. I don't see why you all get worked up about losing a game or something along those lines. Remember the words, "It's just a game!" said by many of you? Well same goes to you. However, if this is what keeps all you happy, there is really no point to this, for no matter what we try to do or say, the moderators will still sit on their high throne acting almighty, laughing at the "members" of the JCF. Anyway, DDL is no longer responsible for any attacks. We see that many members who shall remain nameless are still thick headed and won't listen no matter what happens. So go ahead and laugh all of you. You won you're almighty, "battle" though you are not liked by any more members. Thanks for all your time everyone. DDL is out of the "domanation".
EDIT BY SHADOWXZ: Correction, DDL is disbanded. Too many think of the hacking group and the clan are one in the same. Oh well. That'll make less competition for the mighty clans already... And it's true. No other clans will ever become as popular or as sought after as DM.

[Iam Canadian]

When we say "it's just a game", it doesn't mean that we don't care if the game and its members are hacked and cussed at.;) I understand you guys are trying to do this peacefully but people like Canadian778, DDL Klein, Crimsin etc, give you a bad name. I think this shouln't even be happening, and the Hitler/Bobby tileset is just sick. I mean, associating an evil man who killed many in the 40's/50's (sorry, not too caught up on World War II history), with some guy who pays for a website dedicated to a video game is just not funny. Its pretty much disrespectful to the people who were affected by Hitler and the Nazis. So, I hope soon this whole buisness will be buried dead and gone. Thank you.

[Chiyu]

Originally posted by Fquist
Bye.

If you ban all rebel leaders, how do you expect to get answers to all of your questions? Confusing. :S

[Newspaz]

Actually CraccoBoy, this dude was banned due to spamming and insulting. And now he has the nerve of comming back. His second IP is being banned.

[ßúññ¥€lmérTbtCC]

*does not know what to say*

:roll:

Actely i am not agaisnt DM i am agianst RK. Also i am agains those stupid fake DM people.

[$tilettø]

Also i am agains those stupid fake DM people.
Ditto they realy get on your nerves anoyying people

Who are they anyway



Craccoboy?
Bolt?

[Michael]

They're childish, and havn't got a life obviously. They will get bored, what's all the fuss? they prolly are enjoying our fuss actually. :)

Let's get a list of all the banned JCF members, ey Q? wouldn't feel nice for them to see there name there (and so we can hit back a lil) and we can try and see who they might be.

[~SPLASH~]

And I am against all those stupid alliances with idiotic names that don't help anyway. And I am against clowns for they try to steal my pies every time. :p

[Newspaz]

(PMR)

This person decided to remain anonymous.

Derby: Private message removal. Within the message, it was requested that the message be kept a secret. You may still exchange the information privately at your own will, but it is probably best not to do so on the JCF.

[<Crono>]

It looks like they didn't want you to give out this information, isn't that a bit disrespectfull?

[Trafton AT]

Hmm...Whoever that person is, they really got a few facts wrong. However, I had similar reasons for quitting RK. Several of those are just plain and simpley wrong. Many people were in RK and left, including me.

This person is obviously not in CC. I am aware who this is, it's some clown who plays as Golden CC. THEY ARE NOT IN CC AND ARE JUST SPREADING RUMORS. Please disregard comments from this person.

[Trafton AT]

UPDATE: When I logged in today, I found my MSN account had been hacked and someone had searched through a chatlog involving RK and then used some facts in there and messaged Newspaz. The annonymous person above was my account, and I have asked Newspaz to remove it. The fact is, little of this is actually real. I must also warn everyone there is a password-stealing item circulating. Please ignore any MSNs by me for the period September 2nd, 2002 through <strike>today</strike> yesterday night, unless it was obviously me (they changed the password back so I would be blamed). The filenames include FOOTRON.EXE, DIMENSIONGAME128.EXE, and HI_CHEESE.EXE. Thank you.

[Shadow XZ]

Ok. This is getting out of hand on the moderators hand. So far, many of the moderators on this topic haven't been following the own rules for the borad, respecting others and other things like that. Infact, much of this board is this way. So please, moderators, you aren't acting any better by tricking someone in to giving information for your own sick and twisted needs.

[4I Falcon]

Sick and twisted?

I don't think that disbanding the fake clans is a sick and twisted idea. Then again, since I agree with it, it just might be. :O

[Iam Canadian]

Shadow, the mods aren't omni-perfect spirits. They're human too and they make mistakes too. Yeesh, I sound like Evilmike or something.:p

[<Crono>]

I agree mods and admin are people too and make mistakes, what Newspaz did isn't just a mistake, its disrespectfull, disonist and just plaine evil.

NEWSPAZ, THAT WAS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS I'VE SEEN DONE ON THIS BOARD! YOU ARE A SHAME TO ALL MODS!!!
J/K, I can see why you did it, but its still no excuse.

[EvilMike]

He always does that ;P

NEVER GIVE SECRETS TO NEWSPAZ. GIVE THEM TO ME!1

[Trafton AT]

Well, since this was apparently "true important information" I can see why he posted this. I am now a little bit more wary of sharing secrets with Newspaz, but I still trust him mostly. Maybe I'm a bit too trusting, but Newspaz is a good person, but I may want to talk to him about this. :)

Thank you for editing Derby. Newspaz apparently hasn't been online yet, today. :)

Oh, and Mike, I trust you almost as much as I trust a Magic 8-Ball. Nice try, though, you gossip mill. ;)

[EvilMike]

Trafton shoplifts.

[MoonBlazE]

OMG MIKE! HOW CAN WE KNOW WHEN YOU ARE HACKED AND NOT HACKED? HOW CAN WE KNOW IT IS YOU?

[Rage]

*cough* jealousy */cough*

[Tik]

....*sigh*

This is really pathetic.

[Chiyu]

Hmmm, I guess I missed something again. I have to stay more up to date I guess. What did Newspaz do?

[Fawriel]

The problem'bout this thread is that it's hard to see what is serious and what not...

Btw,is there still a topic line?
Not about NewSpaz,I mean?
...
No?

[ShadowGPW]

somehow i lost the topic over there.. somewhere..
darn..

[Newspaz]

Actually, I didn't break any promise to the person. Since I never told who he/she was. He/she just asked me to tell noone else he/she said that.

So I think I didn't break any rules in my opinion. And I didn't break my promise to him/her. However. It's pretty clear who he/she is now. I think people should just be honest. And say what they think. However, not all admins/moderators seem to like that.

[Tik]

I/Myself agrees =P

[Derby]

Private chat clients are used for private chatting. While no one is there to stop you from exchanging the information away from the JCF, it is still regarded as a secret. This case falls in the gray area. I don't know if the person wanted you to share the information (no request was shown), but then again, you can only assume the worst. Of course, you wouldn't know if I would assume the best or the worst, so in the end, what was done could never be considered a "mistake" or anything worse. Rather, it was simply a mismatch of expectations on both fronts.

[<Crono>]

Actually, I didn't break any promise to the person. Since I never told who he/she was. He/she just asked me to tell noone else he/she said that.
he/she also said not to say (name confidential) was in RK

[Derby]

Originally posted by &lt;Crono&gt;
he/she also said not to say (name confidential) was in RK

Again, he or she did not say that, which would make that statement false. However, it is the best to assume the worst in this case as not all of us are psychic.

[Trafton AT]

Well, it was Golden (who hacked me) and I request it be removed. If someone is truly bent on getting it, MSN me at trafton_jj2@hotmail.com (now unhacked.)

[<Crono>]

Again, he or she did not say that, which would make that statement false. However, it is the best to assume the worst in this case as not all of us are psychic.

Yeah they did say that they didn't want it to be said, I saw the message before it was deleated.

[Derby]

Originally posted by &lt;Crono&gt;
Yeah they did say that they didn't want it to be said, I saw the message before it was deleated.

I still have the message, and no such detail was specified.

[Trafton AT]

Actually, I have the full chatlog, which includes the statement:
"You're not gonna post this to the JCF, right?"
It was never answered by Newspaz.

I do, however, think Newspaz did the right thing, but the remoted PM had nothing to do with the truth.

I requested the PM to be removed, and it is. I don't think there is any need to argue about it.

[Newspaz]

Actually, that must have disapeared from my log somehow since I can't seem to find it.

[Trafton AT]

Sorry...Newspaz is right. I looked for it by the text, but Golden used the same wordings every chat, with the exception of about half were told not to post it, and half weren't. My apologies, Newspaz.

[Blackraptor]

Ok, this is pointless, first of all, Evilmike, Fquist and Bobby are nice, based on my opinion, and arent cruel. Next, why cant you both agree on the same thing, this is pointless, make peace already and everything will be much better instead of a 4 page topic lasting til nowhere.

[VeggieMan]

This whole thread is hilarious.

I can't believe there are actually groups who care that much about a 2d scrolling game. You people need gf's/bf's badly. Move out of your parents basement now. Look outside. There's a buch of people out there. I'm sure 8 years from now or whatever you will look back on this time and see how much you wasted your life. When you were in a group to try and destroy a 2d scrolling game. Hilarious.

[Tubz]

Ok, Mike good topic. Now I understand why so many people are disliking DM so much. I'll tell you this much, one member of a clan that I was formerly in has been making a bad reputation for that clan. I wanted him banned from the clan, but since the leader is quite thick-headed, he won't do it. Not to mention, he's good friends with that person.

Though I want sometimes to become an Mod which will hahahaha :lol: never happen, probably because I personal attacked people months ago and it will go on my JCF personal record forever. But I no longer desire becoming a Mod. I help people out where possible and am not extremely strict, plus I will listen to both sides of the story before making a conclusion, just like a judge :lol:

Ok offtopic I was now back on topic. Now I understand the whole Cracco's gametype thing, good thing that that was finally straightened out.

EDIT: Ok F. Quist I guess that points out that majority of mods aren't DM good! But isn't ICEMAN a mod, unactive mods/admins are kinda pointless.

[Trafton AT]

I don't think Cracco considers it straightened out. As for the "former clan leader" being thickheaded thing, would that be CB? In that case, that's a personal semi-attack. I would edit your post just in case.

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

Now 2nd it is very bias to allow only DM members to become Admins, and I know plenty of cool and nice people who should be admins but don't play often enough to maintain the forums.

I don't have a clue what makes you think that only DM members could be admins. If you look at the admin list on the JCF, J2O and JDC, you will find that while many of the admins might be in DM, all of these people were made admins before DM existed at all.

Another reason there are so many DM admins or mods is that DL and MERC (came to form DM though a couple mergers) have always valued participation in the community.

The decision of whether to make someone an administrator or anything like that is based upon various things, but never clan.

[Trafton AT]

It would be nice if you got rid of some of the inactive moderators, some haven't posted in over 6 months.

(I think I saw Brian in The New Word Assocation. Wow.)

[$tilettø]

It would be nice if you got rid of some of the inactive moderators, some haven't posted in over 6 months.

And get some new fresh moderators, :P


Trafton if someone *cough*hacked you how the heck could you get the chatlog?

because the person who is on your msn the chatlog should be saved to his comp not yours

[Trafton AT]

I was given the chatlog by the people who the hacker talked with. The first time I saw that chatlog was when Newspaz posted it.

[Wild Angel]

I don't believe this 'rebelion' is right. It's absolutely stupid. It's not as if we're a huge, big thing out there (not trying to be mean, guys, but how many people do you know just go to Google and type 'Jazz2Online'. Wait, forget I said that...). I do not believe one person could wreak so much chaos on a community to cause them to break, but I believe that's not what they're aiming for. Mainly I believe they just want to annoy us. That's my views.

Now, for the DM thing. Let's leave DM out; we don't want flame-wars now. I have been in one clan the three/fours years I've been on JJ2- GpW. Wow, that was completely pointless. Anyways, I still don't believe that all adims in outcome are in DM, if that <i>was</i> the case. I do not believe it is, however. If it <i>was</i>, I think that'd be extremely unfair. I know plenty of people here who have been just 'member's all their lives here. Being 2 or more years or such.

I believe alot, don't I? o.0;;; Wait... don't answer that....

If anyone was to become mod, I think that VelKasha would be wonderful. She obviously has pretty much that kind of a nature. *shrugs* Just a thought...

`Wildie

[Chiyu]

Originally posted by Wild Angel
I don't believe this 'rebelion' is right. It's absolutely stupid. It's not as if we're a huge, big thing out there (not trying to be mean, guys, but how many people do you know just go to Google and type 'Jazz2Online'. Wait, forget I said that...). I do not believe one person could wreak so much chaos on a community to cause them to break, but I believe that's not what they're aiming for. Mainly I believe they just want to annoy us. That's my views.

Now, for the DM thing. Let's leave DM out; we don't want flame-wars now. I have been in one clan the three/fours years I've been on JJ2- GpW. Wow, that was completely pointless. Anyways, I still don't believe that all adims in outcome are in DM, if that <i>was</i> the case. I do not believe it is, however. If it <i>was</i>, I think that'd be extremely unfair. I know plenty of people here who have been just 'member's all their lives here. Being 2 or more years or such.

I believe alot, don't I? o.0;;; Wait... don't answer that....

If anyone was to become mod, I think that VelKasha would be wonderful. She obviously has pretty much that kind of a nature. *shrugs* Just a thought...

`Wildie

They're definately not just aiming to annoy us, they want to change some things, things which other groups couldn't achieve with being peaceful. And also it's just a coincidince that most of the people they're after (about 60%) are in DM, and the rebels want the people they're after to stop acting like they're acting now, who're usually the people with a lot of power in clans and right here.

I don't think this topic really has a point, since there aren't any rebel leaders here to answer anything or defend their arguments.

[defalcon]

Originally posted by CraccoBoyCC
They're definately not just aiming to annoy us, they want to change some things, things which other groups couldn't achieve with being peaceful. And also it's just a coincidince that most of the people they're after (about 60%) are in DM, and the rebels want the people they're after to stop acting like they're acting now, who're usually the people with a lot of power in clans and right here.

I don't think this topic really has a point, since there aren't any rebel leaders here to answer anything or defend their arguments.
If the rebels dislike the admins...go and build their own site. The admins either pay for J2O and all or are trusted people who have proven they are fair admins. They might think the admins are unfair, but who's better? The admins that a small group of people have a problem with? Or the group of people who are trying to 'rebel" :roll: If they were take over, they'd be worse than they claim the current admins are.

[ShadowGPW]

I'm not DM !

[Fawriel]

You know people,everything you say was already said a few times before!
What's the use of saying one and the same thing 5-7 times?

Now a comment:
Could the reason why so many DM members are admins be that most of the DM members are simply older than others and can take the responsability?:rolleyes:

[FQuist]

Admins:

Fquist - in DM, got admin while in Merc.
Bobby aka Dizzy - in DM, got admin while in DL
Nebula - not in DM
ShadowGPW - not in any clan
Cobra - not in DM
Brian - not in DM
Captain Spam - not in DM
DrJones - not in DM
Derby - not in DM

So.. less then 25% is in DM

At J2O:

Admins:

FQuist - in DM, got admin while in Merc. I founded the site so it's logical I'm admin.
Bobby - in DM: pays for stuff and has contributed a lot of code.
Evilmike - in DM: got admin because he's cool and helps us out a lot, got admin while in DL.
Cheeze - not in DM - contributed a lot of code
JJF - not in DM - designed j2o
Shadow - not in DM(or GPW, now) - got admin because of helpfullness
Nebula - not in DM, got admin because of all his help and he's a cool person

[Chiyu]

Originally posted by Fquist
Admins:

Fquist - in DM, got admin while in Merc.
Bobby aka Dizzy - in DM, got admin while in DL
Nebula - not in DM
ShadowGPW - not in any clan
Cobra - not in DM
Brian - not in DM
Captain Spam - not in DM
DrJones - not in DM
Derby - not in DM

So.. less then 25% is in DM

At J2O:

Admins:

FQuist - in DM, got admin while in Merc. I founded the site so it's logical I'm admin.
Bobby - in DM: pays for stuff and has contributed a lot of code.
Evilmike - in DM: got admin because he's cool and helps us out a lot, got admin while in DL.
Cheeze - not in DM - contributed a lot of code
JJF - not in DM - designed j2o
Shadow - not in DM(or GPW, now) - got admin because of helpfullness
Nebula - not in DM, got admin because of all his help and he's a cool person

60% of the admins they hate is in DM. They don't have anything against people like Cobra, Brain, Jones.

If anyone wants to talk with the real leaders and heads of the rebels get MSN and add:

shadow_xz@hotmail.com (Shadow)
blackenergy90@hotmail.com (Bolt)
Jewish_Pizza@hotmail.com (Piccolo)
jolt_zaps_you@hotmail.com (Jolt)
canadian778_4ever@hotmail.com (Canadian)

[ShadowGPW]

naw,

[Fawriel]

Erm,is that allowed?:\

[$tilettø]

And can you now Post a list of JDC Which People Have More Acces then Normal members

[ShadowGPW]

Quit living in a shadowworld get back to real-life kids

Mainly I believe they just want to annoy us. That's my views.

so true :)

[<Crono>]

If anyone wants to talk with the real leaders and heads of the rebels get MSN and add:

shadow_xz@hotmail.com (Shadow)
blackenergy90@hotmail.com (Bolt)
Jewish_Pizza@hotmail.com (Piccolo)
jolt_zaps_you@hotmail.com (Jolt)
canadian778_4ever@hotmail.com (Canadian)

If anyone does try to contact any of the "Rebels" then heres some advice for each one
ShadowXZ - Shadow has allready stated that he is no longer part of the rebel group, he left shortly after I did

Bolt - I don't think that trying to talk him out of doing what he's doing is gonna work...

Piccolo - you'll probably have just as unsuccessfull results as with Bolt

Jolt - I dunno anything about him, so no comment

Canadian778 - (CB, u forgot the last part of his name) - I'm not even sure if he has JJ2 and he's just as crazy as the rest

Basicly, contacting any of these people would get you absolutly nowere so don't waste your time.

[defalcon]

You're probably right about not being able to reason with them Crono. <s>They don't have time to argue cause they have to be in bed by 7:00pm ;)</s>
Well, nah. But I do have some addresses to add to my MSN block list.

[DarkShadow]

NEW NEWS JUST IN.

J20 WILL HAVE COMPETITION;

ITS COMPETITION WILL BE J2OV2!!111

SO DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT A MONOPOLY ANYMORE.

---LoL ;-P

I don't think DM has a monopoly. Clans like FoR and TF are getting more members all the time. ;P

[Chiyu]

DarkShadow that's not what they mean with monopoly position of DM. They don't think that DM is the best clan of JJ2, in quantity or quality, but that they have 'power'.

[Iam Canadian]

Don't bother trying to talk to Canadian778. Judging from his posts, he won't say one intelligent word. And as for Picollo...well, I can't give you an unbiased thought about him, since he hates me a lot....and I didn't DO anything!...Must...resist...urge...to...rant.

[FQuist]

The internet community is an anarchy. Power is relative here so nobody *has* it. People only have power here when they are given power by other people, because they come to someone's site or think a clan is good.

[<Crono>]

Well said Fquist!

[Wild Angel]

Originally posted by CraccoBoyCC
They're definately not just aiming to annoy us, they want to change some things, things which other groups couldn't achieve with being peaceful. And also it's just a coincidince that most of the people they're after (about 60%) are in DM, and the rebels want the people they're after to stop acting like they're acting now, who're usually the people with a lot of power in clans and right here.

I don't think this topic really has a point, since there aren't any rebel leaders here to answer anything or defend their arguments.

Agreed.

`Wildie

[ShadowGPW]

Originally posted by CraccoBoyCC
DarkShadow that's not what they mean with monopoly position of DM. They don't think that DM is the best clan of JJ2, in quantity or quality, but that they have 'power'.

Just do a 3vs3 in an OFFICAL EPIC GAMES LEVEL vs DM
..... you lose IMHO..

If you win.. you get all my respect

[Unhit]

Originally posted by CraccoBoyCC
I don't think this topic really has a point, since there aren't any rebel leaders here to answer anything or defend their arguments.

There are imho.

[Rage]

Originally posted by Unhit
There are imho.

*Quietly agrees*

[Trafton AT]

Someone could interview them via MSN...

[Fighter III]

My god! Mike is taking their side!

EvilMike DM-EvilMike D2J!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Trafton AT]

Mazinkaiser, that was a joke.

[Chiyu]

And if it wasn't a joke, it could also have been a clone huh? I've seen a lot of EvilMike clones lately.

Btw, DJ2? Why do I always miss the fun stuff that happens on Jj2? Grrr ;-P

[Trafton AT]

It was a joke by the real Evilmike.

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

Sure... his joke ;P

[Trafton AT]

I think it was a joke by him.
*I THINK*

[Krezack]

I HAET THIS COMUNITY BECAUSE I GOT BANED FROM JCF FOR SAYING A PERSON TO GO (-) (/) AND THAT THEY ARE RETARDED. ISNT THAT RETARDED? NOW I MAK L33T TILKESETS WHICH INVOLVE SWEAR WORDS AND PICTURE OF NAKED ANIMALS BODY PART THIGNIES THINGS GLUED TO KEY DM AND GPW MEMBERS. YOU CAN JOIN MY CLAN IF YOU WANT. WE ROLE JJ2! WE HACK YOUY IF YOU DON'T AGRAE!

Derby: Content/Context edit.

[Unhit]

OMG NO!!!!!!!!!! HELP! :D

[$tilettø]

Ugh Krezack went Insane *AGAIN* ;p

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by Unhit
imho.What does that mean? ;P

[Fawriel]

Mooney?
It means"in my humble opinion"!
Ya should know THAT!:eek:

[Unhit]

Thanks, Piccolo ;)!

[$tilettø]

I OWN THIS PAGE MWAHAHAH
i trought it Ment Honestly?

but a <strike>ex</strike> spammer like you should know it better

[Shadow XZ]

Well I see that many of the reasons that all of you are all eager to go out and interview us, is to "stop" the rebellion which is very pointless to say the least. Either that, or in hopes of us giving out some "great information" to help you save JJ2. Seriously. All of you, (myself included)... get a life. :lol:

[ShadowGPW]

this topic gets really a low stats with me

[Trafton AT]

I honestly think that it's time to close this. It's no longer at the forefront of community news, and this topic is just leading to spamming and flaming. I don't really think that this topic has advanced much from it's start, which is pretty surprising for a topic of this many posts. It's really just going in circles...

[Chiyu]

Trafton is right. This topic was quite interesting in the start, but it's just a place for stupid spammers right now. None of you will actually find anything new in this topic.

[Fawriel]

Well,what are people supposed to talk about?:p
Haven't heard anything'bout those "rebels"lately...
So,there is no topic anymore!:p
Or does anybody have anything intelligent to say,not repeating others?

[ShadowGPW]

Topic Closed