MEGAWARP is ILLEGAL

[Link]

I've been getting more and more people asking me for megawarp recently, and it is getting really annoying. I still regret making that program, even though stuff like J2HG may never have been formed if I didn't. I've done research on copyright laws for my past school year, and have a few points to make:

Because I made megawarp, I hold the copyright. Therefore, I am the only one legally allowed to make copies of it, unless I give permission.
I gave megawarp to four people, and did not give them permission to spread it. Accepting an illegal program is just as bad as giving it away.
Even if megawarp does not have a copyright notice on it, I still have copyright, because you do not need to put a notice on something for it to be copyright. Megawarp was copyright from the moment I created it.
Because I only gave megawarp to four people, anyone else who has it is committing a crime. Under Canadian law, copyright offences are punishible with a fine of up to one million dollars and five years in prison. US and other countries have similar punishments, though I don't know the specifics.
Megawarp is the equivalent of warez for anyone other than the original four people.

Although I am not likely to get anyone in trouble for spreading or having megawarp, I still want everyone to know this. I don't think anyone realized that the program is illegal to have or to spread, and isn't just a bad cheat program. In fact, I'm glad that it is a cheat program, because many people will not spread it because of this fact. If I had made a really good program that got out accidentaly, I'm sure many more people would have it.

[Cpp]

Megawarp is really a bad cheating program because it has no security/protection. Some people use it to warp around and ruin the game play. But you'll be surprised that I find some people that actually use it in a good way (like controlling gameplay in new game types).
So one question, Link! If you had a chance to get rid of Megawarp (I'm talking about removing every copy worldlwide) would you do it?

[Link]

I know that there are people who don't use it for cheating, but there are far more people who do use it for cheating. There are other, better warper programs out there that do have security on them, and I would much rather have trusted people using those than just anybody using mine.

So the answer to your question is yes, if I had a chance I would.

[FQuist]

When we have the source code, we should make people that use megawarp get banned automatically.

[Cpp]

It would be even easier if we just change the source a bit so the pos addresses will not be there where MW looks for them any more. That would make MW useless :cool:

[$tilettø]

Originally posted by Overlord
Megawarp is really a bad cheating program because it has no security/protection. Some people use it to warp around and ruin the game play. But you'll be surprised that I find some people that actually use it in a good way (like controlling gameplay in new game types).
So one question, Link! If you had a chance to get rid of Megawarp (I'm talking about removing every copy worldlwide) would you do it?
More People are Starting to use UW they got the keygen how i dunno and for MW they dont care about Copyrights and anyway what can you do to someone who lives in another Country?

and the Source Code i dont think that we will ever get that
imo,

[Cpp]

And you wouldn't belive this but the number of warping programs is growing and growing. MW was the first one then came UW, Sillywarp and more (I can't remember their names) but I know that there are much more to come if we somehow don't stop this.

[Super Saiyan]

There are some people spreading Silly Warp, I thought Kirby was doing it.



Edit: I know MW is a bad thing, but I use it too. Look, like when Im stuck in a level at events I just have to warp my self out of it, like when Im hosting. I never try to cheat with it by going in secret warps or so. But its just neccesary and its a good thing when you have it then, only if you use it in a good way.

[Trafton AT]

I agree completely on this one. However, while it is illegal, the chance of someone being fined $1 million are very slim without this being a mass-distributing of a paid program, nor is 5 years in prison likely. The problem with editing the code as Overlord stated is, while it is a good idea, there will still be people who have it that did not receive the new, useless version. The idea that FQuist noted is a good one, assuming he means banned by a program like Cataclysm from the server. I think banning everyone who uses Megawarp from JCF or J2O would cause a lot of members to disappear, and I dobut it would be great for the community. I like FQuist's idea a lot, however.

[Violet CLM]

Link, this won't work. JJ3's about the same thing, and it still gets distributed.

[Link]

I know it probably won't help at all. I just want people to realize this and maybe think before using it or spreading it.

[KJAZZ]

I use MW, but only if I am stuck not really.

[Unhit]

*cough* As I never used any cheting programmes, I have no problem with your post, Link, but am rather happy about it :)!

[~SPLASH~]

Let this be a lesson, next time you find out how to create something, think about it: SHOULD you? So yay, you can create a nifty program, but it spoils the fun when the wronf people get it. I've said it before, it's like building Atom bombs for fun. Hey, what's the problem, u're not gonna use them anyway, so there is no danger! WRONG.

[Chiyu]

A LOT of people have MW, and more and more people are getting UW too. :P

[KJAZZ]

Well, you can never stop people from passing out programs. It's just impossible.

[Chiyu]

True. I admit I have both the progams.

[Tubz]

Here's the truth: I have MW but I only use it for situations where I get stuck in a wall, and when I fall off a cliff with no ground. I used to use it for Tests but no more.

I rarely use the proggie.

[Krezack]

Originally posted by Fquist
When we have the source code, we should make people that use megawarp get banned automatically.

And how do you suggest we do that without banning anyone who uses a warp aswell?

We could make it ban anyone who didn't activate a trigger whcih is used in warps be banned..... (assuming they moved more than say, 5 tiles at a time)

[Link]

It would work better to combine Overlord's and Fquist's ideas:

Make the warp addresses dynamic, so they are randomly changed every time you run JJ2. This will prevent people from using programs unless they search every time. But also have Jazz 2 send a signal to the server if the player tries to access the original addresses. The server could have a setting like "On cheat attempt: Auto-ban, Auto-kick, Prompt, Notify, or Do Nothing"

That would work for other cheating addresses as well, not just the warp ones.

There is probably even a way to detect if someone is writing to the memory; like have JJ2 check if any variables have changed to something that they aren't supposed to be at.

[Trafton AT]

Originally posted by Link
It would work better to combine Overlord's and Fquist's ideas:

Make the warp addresses dynamic, so they are randomly changed every time you run JJ2. This will prevent people from using programs unless they search every time. But also have Jazz 2 send a signal to the server if the player tries to access the original addresses. The server could have a setting like "On cheat attempt: Auto-ban, Auto-kick, Prompt, Notify, or Do Nothing"

That would work for other cheating addresses as well, not just the warp ones.

There is probably even a way to detect if someone is writing to the memory; like have JJ2 check if any variables have changed to something that they aren't supposed to be at.

Hmm. This is a good idea, except it could trigger many false alarms. And, as I mentioned before, not everyone will download the "new" versions.

[Link]

I'm talking about future releases of JJ2 (1.25), once we get the source code.

Not a new version of megawarp.

[Trafton AT]

Ah.

That could work, assuming we ever get the source code.

[Iam Canadian]

The moral of all this: Use Cataclysm.:D

I don't think programs like MW should even exist, cause it ruins the game for everyone else, and turns the n00bs who don't have it into ravaging extremists attempting to sell their souls for it.:p Seriously, MW/UW/ whatever should not ever be used. Stuck in a wall? Use Controller's self destruct feature. Fell off the level? Self destruct. There really is no good reason to use those warp proggies.

[Tubz]

Heh ur absolutely right IAm, I didn't know that the clients cuold use the self destruct feature on cataclysm.

[URJazzCC]

Well. Using the self-destruct feature on controller is almost as much cheating. Although that's a better solution that problem would prevent a few problems (But it might create some, but not as bothersome)

[Michael]

Under Canadian law
:lol: i find that real cute/funny Link =P would be a good South Park joke.
(no offense)
Serious post:
MW is really lame, i dont udnerstand why ppl play lame in games nor why they'd use MW...

[FiendMM]

:god:If you change the address in the code ppl will still find it...!I know people who would and are good a Dynamic Memory so it would take time but the mess would be in the hardcore people's hands. You would atleast remove the little people... Also if you wanted to change the code on everyone's computers you could setup some kind of LEGAL Virus that changes that part of their JJ2 EXE...
Fiend Signing off!
:D Carry On!

[Trafton AT]

Legal virus is an oxymoron, Friend. Viruses are illegal period.

[Iam Canadian]

Single combo event is an oxymoron but people don't care...;)

Anyway, somehow I don't find using Self Destruct to free yourself from a wall cheating. Even if you use it to stop others from achieving roasts, you get the added side-effect of losing all your weapons etc. Maybe Overlord should make it so the Self Destruct feature only works when the whole sprite is in a masked tile or something...

[Neobeo]

actually, i think the self-destruct feature is just like warping, only worse

it warps you to the starting position, and returns you all your lives!!!

so, the best way is... have a "warp to starting position" instead of self-destruct... so you "die" but have the same lives... oh... and u lose all your weapons too :D

and like Iam Canadian said, the feature should only work on masked tiles... (actually there is a drawback to this, if a guy is abt to die he might want to wall climb so he can "restart")

finally, i think the server should have the final say to "warp" the person back if he is stuck...

what do you think, guys (overlord in particular)?

P.S. Trafton... his name is Fiend not Friend ;)

[Rage]

I have the 'legal' version of UW, Overlord gave me a username. I find it a lot more useful than self destructing (in a betatest). I rarely use it. If I do, I ask the server for permission first.

About self destruct: I think you keep your hearts, they just appear as 5. For example, if you SD with one heart you respawn with one, it just appears as if there are 5. Same for instagib.

That's all I have to say.

[<Crono>]

it warps you to the starting position, and returns you all your lives!!!
No it doesn't, you have the same amount of health as u did before u SDed

[Iam Canadian]

There is no perfect solution to the ever annoying "stuck in a wall" bug, but at least Controller's SD makes you lose all your hard-earned weapons and keeps the health you had. So I don't see how SD is worse that MW/UW/WhateverWarp. Say...WhateverWarp is a good program name idea....er never mind.

[URJazzCC]

I wasn't saying that SDing is worse than MWing, I'm just saying that they are both cheating. AKA they modify address values. But what I think would be the best idea is to have a program that if it is run it looks like it does nothing (If you are a client) but if you are a server you can select a client (Or yourself) and choose to Warp or SD them. (Or atleast make it so that a button appears on the clients program to 'authorize' the warping or SDing since it'd be mean if you just SD'd a person or MW'd them into a warptargetless warp.)

[Tubz]

it warps you to the starting position, and returns you all your lives!!!

Foo, there ain't no lives in MP mode! Other than CO-OP I guess, but err.

[Disguise]

You think someone who uses a cheat program actually cares about it being legal or not? And dont hit me with all the "it's not a cheat program it is a useful tool" junk, I hate megawarp's guts.

[Trafton AT]

Foo, there ain't no lives in MP mode! Other than CO-OP I guess, but err.
I think the poster meant hearts, not lives. I make the same wording mistake.

SDing is annoying because it can make the flag suddenly leave (permanently) the play area when you use it and you have the flag.

[Blackraptor]

I dont even have megawarp and dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!
Its lame, its cheating, I'd do without it, if I fall endlesly, I use jjfly. Its a cheat but a legal one. Dont use megawarp!!!

[Trafton AT]

Uh, Blackraptor, jjfly doesn't work in multiplayer.

[Kaz]

Hmm... you can prevent SelfD cheating by making you wait 45 seconds or so (and stand still).

You couldn't do anything with the current setup of megawarp and jj2 (like setting up a program to find a big change in the position values at once) becuase warps are still normal (and so is lag).

I can't remember if you dist. to me or not, glad I didn't redist XD.

[Trafton AT]

Kaz, in 45 seconds, someone could kill you or you could rejoin, and it still wouldn't eliminate the thing about the disappearing flag.

[Iam Canadian]

That "server warp or SD clients prog" sounds too easy to manipulate for cheating. Example: Say I'm hosting, and...say...Trafton (I'm thinking these up off the top of my head here) finds a secret which will give him lots of powerups. It's too easy for me to warp him away from there, or make him SD. So, not a good idea. Nice try though.:)

[Trafton AT]

Uh...Iam, you can only self destruct yourself, not other people.

*Scoops up powerups, runs.*

[Txl Kill]

Originally posted by Iam Canadian
The moral of all this: Use Cataclysm.:D

I don't think programs like MW should even exist, cause it ruins the game for everyone else, and turns the n00bs who don't have it into ravaging extremists attempting to sell their souls for it.:p Seriously, MW/UW/ whatever should not ever be used. Stuck in a wall? Use Controller's self destruct feature. Fell off the level? Self destruct. There really is no good reason to use those warp proggies.

MW was not supposed to be released and Cataclysm does not stop MW... Otherwise u would be banned if u went into a warp event.. its the same thing.. think about it...

[Trafton AT]

There is a play area guard in Cataclysm, but that's really just there to stop JJNOWALLers.

[Iam Canadian]

I was talking about URJazz's hypothetical program. The server would be able to manipulate too many things.

[URJazzCC]

Iam, the server wouldn't be able to minupulate too many things.

I wasn't saying that SDing is worse than MWing, I'm just saying that they are both cheating. AKA they modify address values. But what I think would be the best idea is to have a program that if it is run it looks like it does nothing (If you are a client) but if you are a server you can select a client (Or yourself) and choose to Warp or SD them.(Or atleast make it so that a button appears on the clients program to 'authorize' the warping or SDing since it'd be mean if you just SD'd a person or MW'd them into a warptargetless warp.)

[Lama]

Disclaimer: This is not to insult anyone.

Anybody with an average intelligence who is willing to invest time in understanding JJ2's memory addresses and is willing to invest time learning how to program can make a warp program if they wanted to. Heck, even by simply using canned programs (I won't say their names) that let you search for and change the contents of memory offsets you can warp.

The point of what I said? Suppose Mega Warp, Ultra Warp, Silly Warp, <insert name of warp program here> is, by some miracle, eliminated. There would be no more cheaters, right? Wrong. The above paragraph proves why there still will be.

[Neobeo]

hehe... working on some "anti-warp" program... so that if you move than 10 tiles at once ur kicked or something... except if u come through a warp and out a warp target...

but if there is lag then its most unfortunate for the client... i dunno... any ideas anyone?

[Iam Canadian]

That's a good idea actually. If you release that program, you bet I'll use it.

[Trafton AT]

Really, we need a program that does three things:
1. Automatically bans laser shield users.
2. Stops warp programs.
3. AUTOMATICALLY REMOVES SHINY BUT BAD-WHEN-FROZEN GEM RINGS FROM LEVELS! *Glares at Spoy, who is off in the distance, not visiting the JCF.*

[<Crono>]

banning laser shield users isnt hard, but the rest probably isnt possible.

[Neobeo]

Originally posted by Trafton AT
Really, we need a program that does three things:
1. Automatically bans laser shield users.
2. Stops warp programs.
3. AUTOMATICALLY REMOVES SHINY BUT BAD-WHEN-FROZEN GEM RINGS FROM LEVELS! *Glares at Spoy, who is off in the distance, not visiting the JCF.*

Bans laser shield is easy...
Warp program is on the making...
Frozen Gems? *YikeS* Dunno anything about it :confused:

[Kaz]

Hmm... the bann thing wouldn't be hard to do if there was a laser shield (auto completely). I think it's already done.

[Trafton AT]

Freezing gem rings anywhere in a server will make everyone else in that server crash. Whenever I find a level with gem rings and ice, I point this out.

[Spotty]

Trafton said: AUTOMATICALLY REMOVES SHINY BUT BAD-WHEN-FROZEN GEM RINGS FROM LEVELS! *Glares at Spoy, who is off in the distance, not visiting the JCF.*



Foo Gem rings are good, they are shiny and big and everyone wants to freeze em :P

[Krezack]

Originally posted by spotty
Trafton said: AUTOMATICALLY REMOVES SHINY BUT BAD-WHEN-FROZEN GEM RINGS FROM LEVELS! *Glares at Spoy, who is off in the distance, not visiting the JCF.*



Foo Gem rings are good, they are shiny and big and everyone wants to freeze em :P

The blue rabbit is me.

[BlazinDragon]

Evil fooz, u restored an inactive topic

FOOS!!!!

[dopeh]

So are you, you replied. Bah.

[Feline]

Originally posted by Fquist
When we have the source code, we should make people that use megawarp get banned automatically.

That would be nice; but what if the server uses it?

[KRSplat]

*feels like being annoying*

Did you really register it Link?

http://www.loc.gov/copyright/

There's probably some other, more official looking website around, but I couldn't find it.

Anyway, I'm off-topic here.

[Turtleslayer]

Well, KRSplat, he held the copyright from the moment he created it, as he said. Any intellectual property (such as literature, artwork, songs, poetry, messages on newsgroups or bulletin boards, or computer software) is copyrighted from the moment is fixed into a tangible form under US copyright law. Registration merely serves as a public record of the copyright (and a registered copyright would have more weight in court). In any case, distributing software without the author's explicit permission is illegal under most nations' laws.

[Link]

And anyways you gave me the US site.

[Michael]

Nobdy would care if its legal or not, Link, we all burn CDs and thats illegal, if a MW user would see this topic he'd explode laughing and would think youre stupid or something, why make a big legal thing about a game? so what if it ruins the game??? avoid them and ban them if you want.

If you change the pos addresses, it wont help because people are making more and more programs as you said.
I recomend (this is how it is in a hacker-infested RPG i know) that each time the game is run it will use diffrent addresses for everything- no more trainers.

[Feline]

Originally posted by Nitro
we all burn CDs and thats illegal

Not if you own a copy of the thing you are burning.

[Link]

Originally posted by Nitro
Nobdy would care if its legal or not, Link, we all burn CDs and thats illegal,

But everyone knows that burning certain CDs is illegal, and that if they were caught they could get in trouble for it. No matter what it is, illegal is illegal. If people know that something is illegal, it is a deterrent, no matter how small.

[VashTheStampede]

I HAVE ULTRAWARP!!!

you want it?

then you have bad luck :-)

[Trafton]

Vash, both are illegal.

With no intent to offend, you really did not need to revive this to post illegal content. I understand you thought it to be legal, but nonetheless it is unnecessary to revive it. Distributing copyrighted programs such as that one and also modifying them to lack password or code protection is illegal.

~ Traft