The future of Jazz

[CliffyB]

Well, here's where we're at guys.

Jazz GBA is looking really cool and will hopefully be out soon. We're hoping to resurrect some interest in Jazz and his universe with this product - the guys at Game Titan have done a great job with this update.

I would love to see Jazz come to next-generation consoles and the PC as a flagship character. He's always been dear to my heart - that darned bunny helped me move out on my own when I was 18 years old!

The thing is, if a new Jazz game is going to happen there needs to be a very obvious demand for it.

If you guys want to see it happen the best thing you can do is to go out there and make some noise. Let the world know you want to see Jazz returning in his full glory. I'd love to see it also!

Cliff

[~SPLASH~]

Hey Cliff! (shuts his mouth about the topic being in the wrong forum).

I am definately going to buy it (although I kinda dislike Jazz's design, but hey: People were mad about Link's new design in the new Legend Of Zelda game as well, and it turns out to become a great game!), and I told people around me if they were going to buy it as well, but for now the people I know don't seem to be interested in it (anymore). I happen to come alot of forums on the internet, so I will try and advertise it over there!

edit: I spread word on 2 console gaming sites (MegaMan Outpost and F-Zero Central) and am waiting for another board to load (Ganon's Tower). All boards are console (and also GBA)-focused, so I hope to get some attention.

[Aiko]

Woah, i feel motion in the Jazz community. Big news, developers coming to our board and stuff.
Well, the demand for more Jazz games is obvious already, imho. Even though i believe Jazz is a original PC hero and ever will be. Personally, i will not buy any console only because there is a Jazz game for it :)

[ShadowGPW]

Hey, Thats L33T we have a Cliff-Off!

But The bunny got weird, we prefer zie old ya :)

[Electric Ir]

Hey Cliff,
It would be great if there would be some new progress in the JJ2 world. The Jazz on GBA looks okay to me, too bad I don't have a GBA ;)

Anyway, it's nice that you are still interested in Jazz.

[ShadowGPW]

what do you want if you have 3 Unreal Projects done and one in upcomming. :)

[FQuist]

Nice to see you here, Cliff.

I am positive about the future of Jazz Jackrabbit. Although I think the character redesign is terrible in the new GBA game, if it is a good game I am sure it will boost the interest for Jazz.

I think that the opensourcing of jj2 as promised(sort of) by Arjan Brussee will give a big boost to Jazz Jackrabbit too. It might not happen, but if it does we'll attract a lot of people being attracted to the use of the platform engine and things like that. We must wait for the source code until it stops being profitable for Lost Boys Games then we might get it.

[Trafton AT]

Wow. I'm amazed that you still remember our little web site. ;p

All I want to say is that I have been spreading the word the very best I can and am very excited Jazz still interests all of you. I am glad that you share are views, because it's good to know that someone up top is still in this for the community.

I've been playing this game since I was 8, which amounts to 4 years ago. I've been playing for about a third of my life, and let me tell you that the people I have met in this community, that I have grown to know, and consider very much a part of my family, have nothing short of changed my life. I will never forget the many experiences, good or bad, I've had on this game. This community that I am a part of has helped me through hard spots in my life, and celebrated with me when times are good.

It may just be a game, but each little rabbit, each player, each person I play, I know there is a life behind. A story, just like mine. A life, not just some person on the Internet. The people I have met through this game have became my friends, and I could never forget this community. This game has single-handedly changed, and possibly saved, my life several times.

I was nothing short of devestated when Jazz 3 was cancelled. I became very depressed, and lost interest in the game, as many did. But then I realized that it isn't the game that would be there for me. It was the community. I played more than ever for several months afterwards and felt much better about myself and my life.

I hope that Jazz 3 will come out, and I will do anything to help it come out. I would do anything for this community, my friends, the people I grew up with, learned with, played with, and cried with. I am glad that you still remember us.

Thank you, Cliff, for posting this. It's great to know we haven't been forgotten and that there is still someone routing for us, somewhere out there. I have great respect for you and for what you did today, and promise you that I will never forget you or this game.

Jazz will never die.

Trafton


Trafton: various edits.

[EvilMike]

Spreading the word about this game and popularizing Jazz2 is always something good. The problem is, a lot of the members of this board have a lot of negative thoughts and animosity towards the developers of jazz2. In their minds, we have been deserted by creators of it. Personally, I'm indifferent towards epic, because I like a lot of their games, but some players of jazz2 really don't like them at all. One primary reason for this is the fact that our listserver was closed down. list.jazzjackrabbit.com stopped working a few years ago, so we had to switch over to jazz.logicware.com, a listserver which can only be accessed if you change your regestry. This means that any new player who somehow "obtains" this game (Jazz2) will probably not be able to play online unless they find this website, and moreso, this forum. That's difficult though, since this site isn't easy to find.

The point I am trying to make is that if a new wave of people becomes interested in Jazz Jackrabbit, they won't be in contact, or even worse, won't even know about us, the jj2 players.

[MaGoo]

Though it seems our beloved Jazz Jackrabbit seems to have been ripped off, I say it's better than nothing. Our community should be grateful we even have a chance at expanding this game to a new level.

[atesoRJOL]

I would love to see Jazz more populair, some more sequals would be cool too.

[Brian]

Can we show how Jazz has been dear to Cliffy's heart by posting links to the picture of him in the bunny suit for the people who haven't seen it? ;-)

[VeggieMan]

Cliffery B? IS JASON HALL STILL KING OF TEH MONSTARS!?!?

[VeggieMan]

Cliffery B If you really want us to go out there and 'make some noise' will you give us marketing money? Or do you want us to go around telling ppl a game for free?

[Violet CLM]

But what do we make noise about? And where?

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

Wow, One of the creators of Jazz has just posted here!

Let me just say that Jazz is one heck of a great game. (Why would I be here otherwise?) I will try to refrain from passing judgement on the GBA game until I play it for myself, but man, judging from those screenies they sure took creative liberty with our beloved bunny!

I could write a huge speech here, but then I'd be wasting everybody's time. So that's all I'll say. May Jazz never die!!


AJ2f

[Batty Buddy]

Que Passa!!!!

All I got to say(Other then, of course, "You Rule, Cliffy.") is to restate my first comment on the game: that despite my dislike for the new look, it's still Jazz, and I will STILL plomp down my dead presidents for the pleasure of being the first in my neighborhood to shove it into that empty space on the top of MY mini game-machine...
Ooooh... That came out sounding nasty. /\:lol:/\

[The Hye Circus]

Well, first, I love Jazz on the GBA. Next, I would love Jazz on the Gamecube. Of course, above both of those is my five year old PC, but that should be a given. I think there should be Jazz 3-D release for the PC. Then, a sequal to the Jazz GBA game and a new Jazz Gamecube game. Both of them hook up to do something or other, and the Gamecube one would hook up to the internet. Now, my idea may be a bit farfetched considering it took a Ogre Battle amount of time from Jazz 1 to Jazz 2 to Jazz GBA. (I say that because it took I think five years from Tactics Ogre (OB2) to Ogre Battle 3) Jazz on the Gamecube would just be so cool. I mean, I'm a huge Nintendo fan. I know Nintendo would love to get a game that's both online and hooks up to the GBA. Not that it matters much to the guys at Epic, but it would make a huge splash with Nintendo and probably get some free advertising space. Plus, with that keyboard thingy, we could still talk online with like it was Jazz. In fact, we could just use the keyboard thingy (even if it is smaller) to play.

Here's my summary:

Release the GBA Jazz.
Release Jazz 3-D with updated graphics (if it needs it)
Release Gamecube Online Jazz (Hooks up to GBA Jazz 2)
Release GBA Jazz Sequel. (Hooks up to Gamecube Jazz)
DO NOT Release on X-Box.
DO NOT Release on Playstation 2.
Release a Jazz 3-D editor, if it's not included in Jazz 3-D.
RELEASE A JAZZ RPG!!! (Ok, thats a far way off)
Even better yet, a Jazz MMRPG!!
Even BETTER yet, release a Jazz MMRPG staring us!
Give us money.

[FreeLance]

My God, it's Cliff.

Hye circus person: Why not on the Xbox or PS2? I have both, and both are excellent gaming machines. People complain they don't have the characters and gameplay of Gamecube games, yet you're saying DON'T do it? Why not? I think Jazz would make an awesome cover-dude for Xbox. He could be their Icon.

[Batty Buddy]

Que Passa!!!!

I agree with Freelance: Xbox has revamped Oddworld, and Toejam and Earl... Not to mention the whole Rare thing. Any game company that brought those successes back shouldn't be disreguarded... And even though I never owned one, I still have a certain liking for Playstation games. They have a kind of likability all their own.

And Jazz as an XBox icon would be cool. If that happened, I might actually buy one... if they make an Aero game as well.
...Ok, so I'm a bit hung up on Aero the Acrobat recently- I can't help it, I'm desperate for the bat to be in 3D just as much as most of us are desperate for the rabbit to be in one.

[CliffyB]

Look, I've neglected the Jazz community. Unreal has kept me so busy that I've ignored the real fans - the people that post on this board and still play Jazz2.

I apologize for this.

When Erik Kinkead came to us and wanted to do a new Jazz for GBA Jay Wilbur and I jumped at the chance. We've always loved Jazz and we felt that he was not marketed properly on the PC when Jazz 2 came out.

If we do a Jazz3d and all sorts of n00bs appear on Jazz fansites you're all entitled to give them crap for not knowing the greatness that is Jazz prior to a new game. :)

By the way, I realize that the update on Jazz's look upsets some of you. It sucks, but we wanted to refine his look a bit. Look at how Mario and Link have changed through the years...Still, I recognize that you guys aren't feeling it and if we do a Jazz 3 I assure you that the headband WILL return. :)

Cliff

[Newspaz]

I total dislike the looks of this rabbit. This isn't Jazz. This is Bugs Bunny with a bucket of paint fallen over him.

[Noogy]

You'd all like to see Jazz return, and so would I :)

[defalcon]

Originally posted by CliffyB
If we do a Jazz3d and all sorts of n00bs appear on Jazz fansites you're all entitled to give them crap for not knowing the greatness that is Jazz prior to a new game. :)

By the way, I realize that the update on Jazz's look upsets some of you. It sucks, but we wanted to refine his look a bit. Look at how Mario and Link have changed through the years...Still, I recognize that you guys aren't feeling it and if we do a Jazz 3 I assure you that the headband WILL return. :)

Cliff
I'm gonna quote you on that top paragraph. ;)

Not just the headband, but the blaster. It's just...not right for him to not spout the headband, armbands (to a lesser extent) and of course, the blaster. I do agree with Newspaz; Jazz's new look is not half as good as his old/original look.

You HAVE heard about the JJ3 that was cancelled I assume? It used the UT engine. If you do a Jazz3D, I do suggest perhaps shipping it to the latest build of the Unreal Warfare engine. Should it even happen, ASIDE from his old look, I request only one thing: Alexander Brandon's Jazz Jackrabbit 3 titile music! That song rocks. :)

EDIT: Woah, Noogy posted too! :D

Brian: Bwahaha, that rabbit CliffyB pic is hilarious. ;)

[Disguise]

CliffyB? Noogy? In the same forum at the same short space of time since my last logon?

BRAIN OVERLOAD!! AAUUGGHHH!!! *dies*
This calls for mask message conspiracies ;)

Anyways, I'll be serious for a bit. Sure I'd agree that after so many years a character would need a change, it seems logical, but did he have to get changed THAT much? I mean, he's shiny, not naked anymore, and lost his cool bandanna. That's not the biggest problem I have though, it's this strong aura of Star Wars all over the game!
I'm about as anti Star Wars as it gets,and even though that's just a matter of opinion, I would at least like Jazz to be like Jazz instead of Han Solo in a bunny suit...

P.S. Thanks to Noogy for 'making some noise'on his website :D

[Haze]

Oh sure, a celebrity comes along and suddenly everybody goes crazy. :P *waves at Cliffy*

Glad to hear that even officials are still thinking about our fave bunny. And though most of the people disagree with Jazz' new looks, I can appreciate the effort and thought that went into this. Though I seriously recommend another artist for any future Jazz-related projects. *cough* *cough* *leaves his business card*

And what's with this: "I'd like to, but I haven't got a GBA." Here's a tip: buy the game anyway! It's a nice addon for your collection and you'll support the game that way! :)

[Disguise]

Originally posted by Aiko
Personally, i will not buy any console only because there is a Jazz game for it :) I think I'll quote Aiko on this one and agree with it ;)

[ShadowGPW]

Already had the console - Lucky Me :)
A well jazz goes GBA still a great move. Arjan B. always wanted a Pocket Version of it.

Lemmy get Jeh and Arjan in zie forum! :D

This reminds me somehow of the old days with EpicMMB

btw CliffyB erm.. we know you where bussy with Unreal Series.. you can see that with the ownage L33T quality (Life is pain, get over it)

[Tik]

Wow...2 famous faces in the same thread...Now where is Arj? =P

Jazz on consoles...never would've imagined it. Personally, I will buy the game even though I don't have a GBA. Then I can borrow someone else's GBA and play it =)

[The Trasher]

Somehow, I always imagined that Cliff would try to sneak a Jazz reference into UT2003. Like an intricately disguised, 3d version of Diamondus Battlefield (Like how Serpentine is a remix of an old Quake2 usermap). Ah, well. I'm an Unreal kid now. :)

Good to see that there's finally movement at the station Jazz-wise.

Oh, and... ahem... sorry, bout this, but...

Hi Cliff. Hi Dean. :D

[VeggieMan]

Originally posted by CliffyB
Look, I've neglected the Jazz community. Unreal has kept me so busy that I've ignored the real fans - the people that post on this board and still play Jazz2.

I apologize for this.

When Erik Kinkead came to us and wanted to do a new Jazz for GBA Jay Wilbur and I jumped at the chance. We've always loved Jazz and we felt that he was not marketed properly on the PC when Jazz 2 came out.

If we do a Jazz3d and all sorts of n00bs appear on Jazz fansites you're all entitled to give them crap for not knowing the greatness that is Jazz prior to a new game. :)

By the way, I realize that the update on Jazz's look upsets some of you. It sucks, but we wanted to refine his look a bit. Look at how Mario and Link have changed through the years...Still, I recognize that you guys aren't feeling it and if we do a Jazz 3 I assure you that the headband WILL return. :)

Cliff

Yeah, but when Mario and Link changed they didn't rip off Star Wars. Ppl will see Jazz as a Star Wars rip off. So what are the chances that will go well and lead to a Jazz3D? Regardless of marketing. How do you expect to market a rip off to ppl? I want to meet the marketing team that takes on that.

[The Trasher]

Originally posted by VeggieMan
I want meet the marketing team that takes on that. Veggieman, I take it you haven't left you computer recently?

[The Trasher]

Everyone think of it this way: If you like it: Buy it. If you don't: Shut up already, and buy it anyway so Epic is influenced to make a Jazz3 the way THEY want.

[Stijn]

Yay. Headband returns. *Dances around*

BTW, that isn't Bugs Bunny. Bugs bunny doesn't wear a gun and clothes.

[Tik]

His teeth remind me a lot of Bugs'.

[Stijn]

Yeah, rabbits usually have that kind of teeth :P

BTW, Jazz's pants should be wider. This looks like a swimming suit ;)

[Cpp]

*agrees with the Star Wars ripoff*

I think most of the people <strike>here</strike> don't have GBA. Anyway I'd love to see Jazz 3D finished and I completely agree with the suggestion to use the latest Unreal Warfare Engine for the game. These days Epic is just full of Unreal this & Unreal that games (look at the game list on the website... http://www.epicgames.com) so I think it would be great to see another game not starting with "Unreal" even if it uses the Unreal engine. :cool:

I have also noticed that they have recently removed Jazz Jackrabbit 2 from the game list. :roll:

~Over

[ShadowGPW]

Who sayed Deth to Jeh make it Deth to Mark Reign!

[Brian]

I have a GCN and a GBA and I'll probably get a new JJ game the moment it hits the shelves. I've got plenty of GB titles (I've owned a GameBoy since the original model. I've had mine since 1989 I think.) but I'm kinda lacking on the GBA titles. JJ would be a perfect addition.

Hmm... what else? Mario still has his hat, that hasn't changed. :-)

(no comment about the <a href="http://www.beyondunreal.com/image.php?src=images/features/cliffyb/cliffbunny.jpg">bunny suit</a>?)

[ShadowGPW]

Brian my comment about the Cliffy Bunny

<center>http://www.cliffyb.com/cliffybunny.gif</center>

Only thing that mario has changed is he went 3D :)

but GBA JJ goes also in zie collectiono.. because of one simple reason MUST HAVE ALL JAZZ ;)

[Flint LP]

Wow, Cliffy, and Dean?

All I can think to say has already been said, so a quick summary of what I would've said:

W00T! THe bandanas goona b back!(if they make jj3)
Hehe, funny pic

Okay, thats all.

EDiT: Oh and : MAKES SOME NOISE!!!

*HONK HONK HONK*

[Tik]

Whatever the turnout of this is...it has kind of resparked some interest in Jazz2, esp. around here. If you look in General Jazz2 Talk, there are only a few threads with many pages, and this recent news has gotten a few pages of replies in a couple days, not to mention that CliffyB and Noog have replied. Also the other day in #jj2 there were 30-some people, a couple of which were some really old oldbies (for example, AstroniA).

I guess despite the horrible artwork and annoying SW rips, this game is going to kind of bring Jazz back into a spotlight, more or less, which means we'll be growing. Hurray.

[Paul]

Originally posted by VeggieMan
Cliffery B If you really want us to go out there and 'make some noise' will you give us marketing money? Or do you want us to go around telling ppl a game for free?

I know I will.

[Batty Buddy]

Que Passa!!!!

I guess despite the horrible artwork and annoying SW rips, this game is going to kind of bring Jazz back into a spotlight, more or less, which means we'll be growing

We are Jazz Jackrabbit fandom of Message Board. Resistance is futile. You will be assimulated.

[The Hye Circus]

Honestly I'm against Jazz on a console, but thats aside from the point.

You can't say Rare did anything for the X-Box until it does, and I doubt it will do anything soon. Rare works very slow and never makes a good platform game. Never. I think many Gamecube games have a Jazz look to them. I think Jazz would be great on the Gamecube, but I don't see it on the X-Box. It doesn't fit. X-Box is constantly billed as a system for adults. Nothing that doesn't "look" adult could ever work. The new Zelda? Adults love it, but it doesn't fit the X-Box view of adult games. I don't see any X-Box games I want either. The Gamecube would benefit greatly from an online Jazz game that also connects to the Game Boy. It would be a huge seller. Phantasty Star Online for the Gamecube has lots of Game Boy Advance features that you obviously don't have on the X-Box. Jazz could too.

As for a Jazz on the computer, I only have a few ideas. Make Jazz look like he's always. Make him tote his blaster. Make the Toaster wepon return, and not in the flamethrower form. Make the classic title song return (Like it has in the others). Put the Colony song in it hehehe. Make another bunny to play as (It can rhyme with Lori, or Jazz), but don't do what Sega did to Sonic and overload on characters with no purpose so much) And, besides the inclusion of a comic book, make Jazz like the comic book. In his first comic book, he got into a space ship and flew to plants to gather information about Devon Shell. I think it would be cool to do that, maybe it would be cool. Have a level editor, and perhaps would it be possible to do something where you can't use someone's name if they are playing? I don't know. People think Jazz should be on the X-Box and I don't. Am I just wasting everyone's time?

[VeggieMan]

Originally posted by Paul
I know I will.

You will what? Give us marketing money for word of mouth?

I wonder what I would say to my friends. It would go something like this.

"Hey guys, you gotta get this new game for GBA! It's awsome! It's a green bunny running around killing stuff! But it's even better then that. It's a Star Wars Rip off"

They will would probably say something like.

"Ok, why would I want that?"

Then I would say.

"Yeah let's save are money for beer"

Then they would say.

"Agreed"

[Trafton AT]

Wow. Cliffyb posted again. :D

Anyway, I don't particurally care that whole much what Jazz looks like. I'm just satisfied it will be a game using the Jazz engine. I think that Cliffyb is honestly interested with the Jazz project, and we shouldn't use him for a scapegoat for all of our anger. It's not his fault, it's the fault of the finance and marketing branches. I'm sure Cliff really does want JJ3 to come out, and we should be thankful that he actually returned. :)

Just my opinion.

[Violet CLM]

So, what you're saying, Cliff, is that if JJA is popular, Epic might well do a REAL Jazz game?

So now all I have to do is promote its good points and not mention the fact that it has nothing to do with Jazz and is a starwars ripoff. No problem.

[FQuist]

Cliffy, I will probably buy the game when it comes out and I'll make some noise in my way, BUT: could you make some noise too? Once all the hooked JJ GBA fans buy JJ2 they won't be able to play over the internet at all because Epic shut down the main listserver. Maybe, as an Epic employee, you could try to make Epic host the listserver again somehow, or redirect it to jazz.logicware.com(that way Epic won't have to host it). All you need is a slow computer and a basic internet connection.

Then all the newbies will be able to play over the internet again.

[Trafton AT]

I agree with what FQuist said.

In addition, could you please update jazzjackrabbit.com or let some community reperasentatives help out? It would helps us get more players if that site was live, and we would help spread the word. Plus, with the release of Jazz for Gameboy Advance, you need to update the site anyway. Talk to Jeh about it. ;)

[Paul]

Originally posted by VeggieMan
You will what? Give us marketing money for word of mouth?


<S>Yes, I have that kind of cash</s> no, I meant I would "advertise" for free anyday.

[Paul]

And I'm with quist also on this one..fix the listserver! :P.

I also believe that open-sourcing of jj2 would do a lot for the popularity of the game (and by extension interest in jj3/3d/GBA). Everyone loves the words "open source"--it would encourage development (bots? mods?) and LOADS of new players. Something could also be built into the game to tell n00bs to come to j2o or *something*

On that note...could you PUH-LEEZE update www.jazzjackrabbit.com?

At least say something to the effect of "go to www.jazz2online.com, because we don't support this game anymore" or ANYTHING (:

Quist is also right in saying that there needs to be some publicity of *some* kind for any upcoming JJ game, be it GBA, PC, or whatever. JJ2 got rave reviews from the critics at the time of release, as I remember (with a few exceptions), but no one heard of it (that and the SP was soo freaking easy--people would give up before getting hooked on the MP (: ).

Perhaps everyone's already seen this :

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-07-19/screens_feature.html

Also--could we get some screenies of a JJ2 GBA? To..generate publicity with..? ;p

Or are they already around and am I missing something? ;p

[Disguise]

Originally posted by Spaztic
Also the other day in #jj2 there were 30-some people, a couple of which were some really old oldbies (for example, AstroniA).ASTRONIA IS A SOUTH AFRICAN!!! ALL ALONG!!! ALL THESE YEARS I WAS LOOKING FOR SOUTH AFRICAN JAZZERS AND I FIND OUT YESTERDAY ASTRONIA WAS ONE ALL ALONG!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!! *dies*

*modifies his list of South African jazzers*

Distruct
Disguise (Retired, moved to England)
Dats
AstroniA 501

w00t!

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

I would also like to repeat what Fquist and others have said, <b>please get list.jazzjacrabbit.com back up or forward it to jazz.logicware.com</b>. People who play the game are no longer able to connect to the internet servers without a special patch that fixes the registry.

Paul, I've put all of the JJ2 GBA screenshots that I've seen over on J2O so they can be easily found rather than having to clear cookies and stuff over at IGN.

http://www.jazz2online.com/jazzgba/

[Trafton AT]

Originally posted by Bobby aka Dizzy
I would also like to repeat what Fquist and others have said, <b>please get list.jazzjacrabbit.com back up or forward it to jazz.logicware.com</b>. People who play the game are no longer able to connect to the internet servers without a special patch that fixes the registry.

Paul, I've put all of the JJ2 GBA screenshots that I've seen over on J2O so they can be easily found rather than having to clear cookies and stuff over at IGN.

http://www.jazz2online.com/jazzgba/

Yes. And, while I know another patch for JJ2 is, well, unlikely, it would be great. But really what we really need is for list.jazzjackrabbit.com to forward to the real list server. This would do wonders for the community. I'm glad to see you are back, and supporting the community. Leave and we release the pictures of you in the bunny suit...THE OTHER ONES. >;-P

[Link]

But before doing that, contact jazz.logicware.com and remove the reference to list.jazzjackrabbit.com. An infinite loop-type-thing would not be good.

(Although it would be much better if one just set up a real list server)

[FreeLance]

I for one am fine with this make-over. Sure, it's not quite Jazz, but at least people are making a new Jazz game. Somehow, I feel kind of bad for those who have tried to please and then are totally torn down for their efforts.

Cliffy B, you've always been my herrow. Seriously. Ask anyone. Anyway, thanks for finally noticing us! :D

[The Hye Circus]

How about a patch so my stupid Fortress level works! Yay! After that level, I got nothing. (Well I do... but then how am I supposed to garner pity?)

[defalcon]

Well, one friend I know who enjoyed Jazz (but doesn't like playing online) dislikes the new look immensly, and that has put him off the GBA game slightly.

I gotta find somewhere that'll let me cash in my GBC so I can get a GBA. :p

On another note, all people's ideas about a Jazz sequel: Just update the old JJ3 to the Unreal Warfare engine. They're built on the old UT engine after all, and stuff from the old engine can be ported into the new one. Not to mention, all the cool stuff from the old JJ3 would remain. :D

[Krezack]

CLIFFYB IS TEH SUKC!! JEFFK IS A BETER GAME DESIGER. YUO SUCK!!!1

What's it called, Cliff? Jeff Jackrabbit? JJ: Enter the JeffK?

[Krezack]

Originally posted by EvilMike
Spreading the word about this game and popularizing Jazz2 is always something good. The problem is, a lot of the members of this board have a lot of negative thoughts and animosity towards the developers of jazz2. In their minds, we have been deserted by creators of it. Personally, I'm indifferent towards epic, because I like a lot of their games, but some players of jazz2 really don't like them at all. One primary reason for this is the fact that our listserver was closed down. list.jazzjackrabbit.com stopped working a few years ago, so we had to switch over to jazz.logicware.com, a listserver which can only be accessed if you change your regestry. This means that any new player who somehow "obtains" this game (Jazz2) will probably not be able to play online unless they find this website, and moreso, this forum. That's difficult though, since this site isn't easy to find.

The point I am trying to make is that if a new wave of people becomes interested in Jazz Jackrabbit, they won't be in contact, or even worse, won't even know about us, the jj2 players.

Ok, this gets weirder and weirder. CliffyB (who is < JeffK ;)) announces Jeff Jackrabbit for GBA and then EvilMike makes a spelling mistake!

I'll go stir up support (or rotten eggs) on the Black Isle Boards. All hail Jeff Jackrabbit!

[Super Saiyan]

Couldnt the makers of that JJ GBA game include a fan-link to this site at credits or so?

[Krezack]

Why would they do that? Why would they WANT to do that? This is the big world, SS. You don't just credit a random site which has nothing to do with the game. Sure, if this was Jazz3D, it might be reasonable... but it's not, so I rule.

[RazzOnline]

Originally posted by FreeLance
My God, it's Cliff.

Hye circus person: Why not on the Xbox or PS2? I have both, and both are excellent gaming machines. People complain they don't have the characters and gameplay of Gamecube games, yet you're saying DON'T do it? Why not? I think Jazz would make an awesome cover-dude for Xbox. He could be their Icon.

This seems simple to me, it's clear that Jazz is more game for the GameCube then for PS 2 and X-Box, but I don't have anything against it.

One point, we must get it this way that Jazz GBA will become a good/best seller. If this they will keep creating so we can play Jazz anymore, after this news I decided to get that fricked disk again and play again :) Now we only have to get J2Ov2 up (Ohw I want to see it ;)) And all the good old players are coming back so this seems that the community is saved (finally!)!

Thank you

[Dark MooGoo]

Well, at least CliffyB knows most of us aren't too excited about the "new" Jazz Jackrabbit (taken from an <a href="http://www.xgr.com" target=_blank>XGR.com</a> interview with CliffyB last night at 9:30EST:

<a href="http://ingame.ingame.de/filebase/index.php?action=file&cid=98&fid=146" target=_blank>XGR.com interview with CliffyB</a> -- 250 ftp limit

<a href="http://www.clanvikings.org/download/misc/XGR%20CliffyB%20interview.zip" target=_blank>Mirror 1</a>

<a href="http://www.unrealtournament2003.co.uk/" target=_blank>Mirror 2</a>

Essentially, Cliffy has this to say about us:

"Jazz is the game that got me moved out of my mother's house ... It has a very special place in my heart ... Uh, yeah, there's actually a lot of controversy in the Jazz fan forms now, I don't know if you've heard ... the look of Jazz and the universe has been modified slightly for the GameBoy version ... and the remaining Jazz fans out there are pretty (-) (-) ... I'm of the belief that I would love to, you know, see Jazz return ..."

The brief Jazz Jackrabbit blurb can be found at about 19:00-19:50 in the mp3.

Thanks for at least taking the time to check up on us and giving us a little shoutout, Cliffy.

Derby: Content edit.

[ShadowGPW]

thats cliffy B alright :D!

Perhaps we should accept that Jazz is now more a Bucky-o-Hare a like :) Its not the out-side world whats (*) people off its the Rabbit himself.. there is almost notthing of him that reminds me of Jazz accept for the green color... :(
Nick Stadler, Dean Dodrill where are you! ;_;

[Krezack]

Originally posted by Dark MooGoo
"Jazz is the game that got me moved out of my mothers house ... It has a very special place in my heart ... Uh, yeah, there's actually a lot of controversy in the Jazz fan forms now, I don't know if you've heard ... the look of Jazz and the universe has been modified slightly for the GameBoy version ... and the remaining Jazz fans out there are pretty (-) (-) ... I'm of the belief that I would love to, you know, see Jazz return ..."

I'd like to quote this in Cliff's defence. "We aren't moving away from the fans, we are moving away from losing our jobs.".

Derby: Previous quotation edit.

[EvilMike]

What kind of moron puts an mp3 in a zip file?

Edit: I take that back. It's size was reduced by a whole 7% when zipped.

[RazzOnline]

IGN has posted an article regarding a new Jazz Jackrabbit game on the Gameboy Advance. I was surprised to see this as I haven't really been following Jazz for some time. It's cool to see the franchise coming back, and I'd love to see great things happen. Jazz has taken a slight redesign but the game seems to retain all that is great about the series. I love my Gameboy Advance, and now have a new title on my shopping list. To read all about it, click here. For those who don't know, I've been rather fond of the character since I had the wonderful opportunity to work with the team that created the sequel.

Source: Noogy.Com (http://www.noogy.com/)

Dean Dodrills reaction for so far.

Shouldn't we all think this way? (bold text)

[Dark MooGoo]

Originally posted by EvilMike
What kind of moron puts an mp3 in a zip file?

Yeah, doesn't make much sense since an mp3 is already compressed but it did save 1MB+ so what the heck. What did it take, 2 seconds to unzip?

[EvilMike]

1.9475247436 (approx)

[VeggieMan]

Well, I'm saying this...

CLIFFERY B YOU SELLOUT YOU!

Fi><0RS JAZZ TEH JACKRABBIT!

FI><0RS NOT RIPOFFORS!

Don't make me post the pic again.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/veggieman/Han02.jpg

Ah I didn't it again. Oops.

[Paul]

I'm just happy to see some motion, development-wise, in the Jazz world. He can leave the headband off, for all I care. Don't get me wrong....I think Jazz is great the way he is. But I think it's even better to have some sort of a new jj game. :P

[Tik]

NO! FI><0RS TEH JAZZ JACKRABBIT NOW PLZ!!!11 dog.

[VeggieMan]

Originally posted by Spaztic
NO! FI><0RS TEH JAZZ JACKRABBIT NOW PLZ!!!11 dog.

I agree. Even more so with the. dog. part.

[ZeroDai]

No dog kthx~

[KRSplat]

I don't particularly like what I see about Jazz, but I'll say what I said on J2o:

CELDA

(Edit: Continuation. I didn't know how to get rid of that huge font size I accidentally made, so I restarted my browser.)

JAZZ IN SSB! ;)

I would not like to see Jazz on Xbox. I hate Xbox, but that's just me.

Of course I'll get Jazz on GBA. I have GBA anyway, it's not like I'm getting it just for Jazz.

[FreeLance]

I think most people hate Xboxs cos they don't have one. I mean really, they're great systems. I don't get what people have a problem with them. Sure, the controls were really awkward, but other controlers have been put out now. The graphical capabilities are unrivled, and some absolutely stunning games are in the makings (Fable (aka Project Ego) is one of the best looking games I've ever seen, in terms of gameplay/character stuff as well as graphics).

[Disguise]

FI><0RS TEH JACKRABBIT IN TEH NAME OF PAGE 3 I JUST CLAIMED!!!

[Tik]

OH NO! NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!1 dog.

NOW FI><0RS IT PLZ NOW THX!!!!1

dog.

[~SPLASH~]

KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS!!!.... just for the heck of it. :D

[VeggieMan]

Originally posted by ~SPLASH~
KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS!!!.... just for the heck of it. :D

NO!! FI><0RS IT!!

What did Cliffery B sellout you out too?!?

[Paul]

Bobby, here's another image for your page : http://www.gametitan.com/JJA%20PICS/Jazz.gif

[KRSplat]

I just hate MicroSo*t. There products own, but they've invaded our gaming rooms, our offices, our bedrooms already. I'm not letting them into my... other gaming room. Actually, I don't have a gaming room. Whatever.

[CliffyB]

Nintendo was brilliant to take Link in the direction that they did. He looks like a child again, and Zelda was always the realization of Shigeru Miyamoto's childhood wanderings around the woods in Japan. Besides, the style stands on its own against Mario - the two worlds were starting to look awfully similar on the N64.

As far as the "Star Wars ripoff" comments - If you believe that then you must believe that Austin Powers and No One Lives Forever/Cate Archer are "ripping off" James Bond, no?

Cliff

[Trafton AT]

Originally posted by CliffyB
Nintendo was brilliant to take Link in the direction that they did. He looks like a child again, and Zelda was always the realization of Shigeru Miyamoto's childhood wanderings around the woods in Japan. Besides, the style stands on its own against Mario - the two worlds were starting to look awfully similar on the N64.

As far as the "Star Wars ripoff" comments - If you believe that then you must believe that Austin Powers and No One Lives Forever/Cate Archer are "ripping off" James Bond, no?

Cliff

Actually, No One Lives Forever was made to make fun of the James Bond movies and the general game formula that Bond games play as. As for Austin Powers, it relies more heavily on making fun of the psychadelic '70s spy shows, but does draw some of it's humor at poking fun at James Bond.

But that's off-topic, really...The point is that much of the community is unhappy with the way Jazz looks. But the truth is that, in the end of it all, while players may think it's more important now, what will really matter to the vast majoraty of Jazzers is that the new GBA game is good, not how it looks. The company that is doing it does not have a fantastic history with conversions, but could surprise it. If it's good, most will take it. If it isn't, then you won't even get the core audience, and it won't sell well at all, which no one wants.

For a low-advertised game to sell well, it has to be good. It would benefit both the liscenes and fans if this Jazz game was a well-done work.

[Dark MooGoo]

Originally posted by CliffyB
As far as the "Star Wars ripoff" comments ...


Not so much as a "ripoff," but I think more as borrowing a little too much from ...

Don't get me wrong, in order for the game to appeal to a wider audience, for one it'd have to be more "cartoony" for the mostly younger GBA audience but also by resembling Star Wars it will be something more people can recognize. It's a good marketing strategy, yes but it's NOT JAZZ JACKRABBIT. Call it something else if you have to; don't try to build off of a name that's already there and warp it into something completely different.

[Trafton AT]

I have received word that Jazz2Online received a somewhat threatening letter from the administrator at Game Titan. Without approval, I can not give out the full email text, but I will say here is the general idea. They claim that Jazz2Online's community is flaming the new game and Jazz2Online is supporting piracy and the use of ROMs (this is in reference to the several people who mentioned they would only get Jazz 2 for GBA on an emulator.) Secondly, they mentioned about someone claiming that unless a character redesign occured, that the JCF poster/member would "attack an American institution." It makes it sound like some member threatened a school, which I don't remember happening. They also claim they have been spammed by fans.

Most disturbing of all: I quote: "If Jazz2online continues to be a hindrance against my business(spaming/piracy), I will be forced to take steps to stop it from doing so."

This makes it sound like Game Titan is taking legal action. This was all sent when a J2O staffer asked for a simple interview. I think that Game Titan has gotten us all wrong, but are being a bit out of proportion here.

If someone did threaten a school or government agency in my opinion they were extremely wrong for doing so, but it's my humble opinion that they have gone overboard. I hope that J2O and Game Titan will be able to settle so this doesn't turn into a lawsuit.

[ShadowGPW]

Guys i know you are angry but please be calm. Think what Cliff says. He has a point in there. I buyed Jazz that i liked the gameplay, if there is anything what is the same of the gameplay like the old games. Then why should we complain. I thrust Epic. They didn't just give the "Jazz" away without any Quality check or so. Those peeps work there butt off give them atleast something to see on.

Also didn't you forget that Jazz was one big parodie on Sonic and Commander Keen.. Hey jazz was always with something in his worlds with parodies.

I geuss we should accept this and be happy that we get finally a new game. Its not the same team or same game. But accept it please.

For now I can only say.

Accept it! If Cliff Bleszinski gets his 1337 gears agian for a new jazz in the future and shouts that it gets his old style back.. Well if its even a bit near the Quality of the Unreal Series. Then why should we worry?

Come on guys Calm down and lets get back back at IT agian. Times, People and even Jazz changes.

[Trafton AT]

Freedom of speech, I think you mean?

Anyway, I agree. I don't think that the JCF has done anything to be subject to such accusastions as in the email (which I sent Shadow.)

It would be good to have a nice relationship with Game Titan, but the reasons it gave boarder extremist. It's almost like they are trying to get us in trouble for some reason or another.

I really dobut they have any legal grounds if they choose to sue. "They said things we don't like!" and "They don't stop people from talking about doing semi-illegal things that would barely hold up in court themselves!!!" aren't really convincing arguements, but I dobut it will even come to that.

This is a question of freedom of speech, and I believe the members have full freedom to say bad things about the game. The company can not stop us from doing so. They miss the fact that we are the community. There is no "other" community that shutting this site down would stop from being subject to dobut. If they shut us down, they shut the community down. As simple as that in my opinion.

That's the third time you've edited that post, Shad, so I'll respond to the new one. :p

Anyway, I believe that what you say this time is as true as the last two. ;-P

We need to put more trust in the makers of the game than we are. There are people on the team that are really people who care about the game as opposed to ruthless marketers, as we have pictured them all as. If Cliffyb didn't care about the community, wouldn't he just post once as a public relations move? But he came back. Twice and counting. More faith and less dobut are in order, though Game Titan still, in my opinion, should not tell us that we can only say good things about the game. That's ridiculous.

Sorry if I sound so overdone in these posts. I have very strong feelings about this.

[VeggieMan]

Hahaha. That's funny Game Titan is actually mad at us for nothing. I would love to read the letter. I think someone should post it.

Hey, If they FI><0RS JAZZ TEH JACKRABBIT then we wouldn't have this problem.

It's funny though. I would have thought that Game Titan would be more worried about Geogre Lucas taking them to court. Or even worst realessing his army of nerds upon Game Titan.

Star Wars fans are like Sand People. They scare easy but then they RETURN WITH MORE AND LEGAL PAPERS!!

Look out!

[ShadowGPW]

that i was trying to say accept it. Perhaps you don't like it. For me.. Jazz was all about GamePlay. If i remember it correctly an Interview with Arjan Brussee. JJ1 Was build for GamePlay and Speed like the Consoles did back then.

(edit)
Veggie: Lucas even can bring your StarWars fansite down if they don't like it.

[VeggieMan]

See. That's what I'm talking about the power they he has.
I don't have a StarWars fansite btw. The difference between a fansite and video game ripoff is that video game will be making money using StarWars ideas. So I would figure that would make Geogre Lucas pretty mad and send his army of nerds apon Game Titan.

[Trafton AT]

I dobut that anyone will be sued here. It's likely just a threat to scare us from doing "illegal and unacceptable practicing" like saying that Jazz's bandanna missing is bad.

I dobut George Lucas will sue. If he did for every ripoff that exists, he would have to convert his production company into a lawyer group.

[VeggieMan]

I would rather have a working server list then a rip off Jazz.

FI><0R IT OR FI><0R SERVERLIST!

[Trafton AT]

Originally posted by VeggieMan
I would rather have a working server list then a rip off Jazz.

FI><0R IT OR FI><0R SERVERLIST!

I think that if we were to email any responsible party about this their response would be something like "you can't beat a dead horse."

Face it: the corporations want money. Jazz 2 will no longer make them money, so they don't want to support it. They may do it, but I sincerely dobut the list server will be fixed.

[EvilMike]

Ok, first of all, a lawsuit is very, very unlikely. Even a large team of expensive lawyers (which is unlikely since expensive lawyers ARE expensive ;P) hired by Game Titan would have difficulty comming up with a good arguement against us. I'm not an American, but I know that it is simply unconstitutional to sue someone for expressing themselves. We have free speech in Canada, and I'm know you do too. Filing a lawsuit against a fanbased website will also severely damage the public image of the company, and could result in general unsuccess of their products.

In any case, I too am a tad annoyed at the redesign, but I say just live with it. He does look different, but at least he is green. What I am more worried of is if they change the gameplay. This game is not jazz jackrabbit because of his looks, it's jazz jackrabbit because of the gameplay.

In any case, I look forward to the game.

[VeggieMan]

I guess it doesn't matter. The broke server list was the reason I stopped playing jj2 anyways because I could no longer host a server anyone would see. Probably the reason no new players will come to jj2 anyways. Making a rip off Jazz won't bring at anything and I really doubt that from a GBA will there be enough hype for a jj3d. That's just what I think. As you can see it doesn't matter what I think because no one is going to

FI><0RS TEH JAZZ JACKRABBIT!

I think Geogre Lucas needs to see what is going on here. Maybe he will give us a working server list. Maybe he will sue forcing the Jazz RABBIT TO BE FI><0red.

[Trafton AT]

Originally posted by EvilMike
Ok, first of all, a lawsuit is very, very unlikely. Even a large team of expensive lawyers (which is unlikely since expensive lawyers ARE expensive ;P) hired by Game Titan would have difficulty comming up with a good arguement against us. I'm not an American, but I know that it is simply unconstitutional to sue someone for expressing themselves. We have free speech in Canada, and I'm know you do too. Filing a lawsuit against a fanbased website will also severely damage the public image of the company, and could result in general unsuccess of their products. *Snip*

Wow. EvilMike's post sums up my views exactly.

What I think Game Titan is thinking:

"OK! Here we go! The kids that own this site are only 15, 16, and 17, and they don't know anything, so let's trick them into thinking we can sue them! That'll scare them into calling us God!"

Unfortunately, their idea would work if J2O's staff was stupid, but they aren't. It's plain to see we are violating no laws. Their idea that somehow they can be "exempt" from the first constitutional rule of the U.S. (free speech) is ludicrious. Once Game Titan realizes they aren't talking to a bunch of idiots, I think that we might get along.

[Nadine]

Originally posted by Paul
And I'm with quist also on this one..fix the listserver! :P.

I also believe that open-sourcing of jj2 would do a lot for the popularity of the game (and by extension interest in jj3/3d/GBA). Everyone loves the words "open source"--it would encourage development (bots? mods?) and LOADS of new players. Something could also be built into the game to tell n00bs to come to j2o or *something*

On that note...could you PUH-LEEZE update www.jazzjackrabbit.com?

At least say something to the effect of "go to www.jazz2online.com, because we don't support this game anymore" or ANYTHING (:

Quist is also right in saying that there needs to be some publicity of *some* kind for any upcoming JJ game, be it GBA, PC, or whatever. JJ2 got rave reviews from the critics at the time of release, as I remember (with a few exceptions), but no one heard of it (that and the SP was soo freaking easy--people would give up before getting hooked on the MP (: ).


I agree about all of this. We're not just talking about one new game, we're talking about the community, and also if you want the new game to do well you have to show that wishes of the community are supported, as long as they are reasonable.

And I don't like how this is coming along guys. I think they get the idea - we don't like the star wars look. It IS borrowing a bit too much from Star Wars, and they could have a problem with copyright infringement. I don't know who said they were going to play the warez version of the game, but I don't support piracy in the form of warez or newer games being pirated AT ALL. I also don't want to have to buy a GBA when I don't really travel that much. So what I'm planning on doing, and I hope this is okay: I will buy the game and then play the rom. That's legal right if I have bought the game? I don't want a GBA but I want that game! Believe me, I don't do criminal acts and I don't support piracy.

There's too many complaints about the new look, why can't we just appreciate that it's a new Jazz game and hopefully the gameplay will be intact? I mean, CliffyB has posted THREE TIMES and even Dean has posted. The one thing you don't want to do is show disrespect to the very people who care about Jazz enough to bring him back into action. Yes, make suggestions. Like for example I am happy about trying to give Jazz a fresh new look. Clothes kind of works. But I just don't like this particular look they have given him. But oh well, lets see what happens.

Let's support Game Titan, not complain with not enough compliments thrown in, not spam them, not threaten or vandalize schools, not support warez.

And for what it's worth, I STILL hate Link's new look. It's not that he looks like a kid, it's not that he looks cel shaded. It's that he looks like a clown or something. It has HUGE eyes, and just a generally ugly face. But for Jazz, well, it doesn't hurt to try new things, but I think we are upset that it's NOT a new thing, it's a Star Wars thing. But, let's support this game, try to be positive, and make suggestions, sure, but don't complain constantly.

We have to watch our attitude - our words. The future of Jazz probably depends on it.

[Trafton AT]

I now think that the "threatening institutions" mentioned was the joke about putting grafitti on schools. They did a great job of making it sound a lot worse than the joke was. That wasn't a threat in the least bit.

[FreeLance]

This is really pathetic. At first, I was excited about this game. I was willing to support it despite changes. But this is just pathetic. Who do these people think they are? So we don't like the game. None of us here have threatened any form of harm to the bussiness, and we have all said we'll probably buy the game anyway. Somehow I think they probably just lost their chance of most of you buying the game.

[Tik]

Haha, I vandalize school's with a catch phrase. Sue me. That would be hilarious. This should go on Judge Judy, that would make for some funny stuff.

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by Trafton AT
I have received word that Jazz2Online received a somewhat threatening letter from the administrator at Game Titan. Without approval, I can not give out the full email text, but I will say here is the general idea. They claim that Jazz2Online's community is flaming the new game and Jazz2Online is supporting piracy and the use of ROMs (this is in reference to the several people who mentioned they would only get Jazz 2 for GBA on an emulator.) Secondly, they mentioned about someone claiming that unless a character redesign occured, that the JCF poster/member would "attack an American institution." It makes it sound like some member threatened a school, which I don't remember happening. They also claim they have been spammed by fans.

Most disturbing of all: I quote: "If Jazz2online continues to be a hindrance against my business(spaming/piracy), I will be forced to take steps to stop it from doing so."

This makes it sound like Game Titan is taking legal action. This was all sent when a J2O staffer asked for a simple interview. I think that Game Titan has gotten us all wrong, but are being a bit out of proportion here.

If someone did threaten a school or government agency in my opinion they were extremely wrong for doing so, but it's my humble opinion that they have gone overboard. I hope that J2O and Game Titan will be able to settle so this doesn't turn into a lawsuit.

I realise how serious that is, but I also think it's the funniest thing I've heard today. They're making a Jazz Jackrabbit (it's a green rabbit, any differences are irrelevant to this post) game, the MAIN AUDIENCE is people who like Jazz Jackrabbit (or Star Wars, true, but still), and then they threaten to sue the people who like Jazz Jackrabbit.

[Batty Buddy]

Que Passa!!!!

I've already stated that I was slightly disappointed with Game Titan for Aero the Acrobat. I have already stated that this game might also "Borrow" from more then Starwars(example: the storm trooper turtles look like edited Koopa Troopas on close up pictures.), I have already stated that I will miss the bandana AND Spaz(if he isn't in this.) but the point remains the same:

I WILL STILL PLAY THIS GAME!!! I MAY COMPLAIN ABOUT IT AT TIMES BUT I WILL STILL PLAY IT!!!

Oh, and I happened to be one of the few people who LIKED Link's "new" look. He looks exactly the same as I imagined he did when I played LOZ for the first time... except slightly Tim-Burtan-y...

Finally, I do agree that the whole "Threaten not to make the game just because the people who are fans of the game don't like the new design" thing IS a bit of a paradox, but, as my Mom always told me while driving:
Idiots have the right-of-way.

[Paul]

Sheesh---While I don't approve of Game Titan's actions (though I don't know the whole story, I'm sure) I DO really apprieciate that they're making a port/sequel for/to one of my alltime favorite games.

To Game Titan :

Thanks--but chill. User feedback is user feedback. I am very thankful for a return of Jazz BUT I am not particularily thankful for your response to user feedback.

On the other hand...

To the angry Jazzers:

If you want a perfect game--make it yourself. I think we're acting very foolishly. To wait and wait and hope for a new game and then when we finally get one to whine and complain because it's not EXACTLY what you want is juvenile, frankly. Suck it up and deal. I don't have any sympathy for you because I am for the continuation of JAZZ, not just the HEADBAND, ffs. Arjan/Shad is right--Jazz is about gameplay, not about PRESERVING EVERY TINY LITTLE FEATURE of the character. Game development (and most things in life) are about COMPROMISE. Developers must not only cater to the hardcore fans but to the prospective audience that will buy their game. It's unrealistic and absurd to pretend that the developer ought to respond to your every desire. It takes a whole load of work to make a game. If you want it perfect, as I said...try making one of your own. Just ask the Possum team about THAT!

There's nothing wrong with feedback, but this has gone beyond that into the realm of absurdity!

DEAL, FFS!

To recap : Thank you CliffyB, thank you Game Titan.

[Dark MooGoo]

Originally posted by Paul
If you want it perfect, as I said...try making one of your own.

That's just it ... we <b>CAN'T</b> make one of our own because of liscensing fees and whatnot, at least we can't build off of the Jazz Jackrabbit name and CALL it Jazz Jackrabbit. If we can't make our own and no one is going to make one for us the <u>RIGHT</u> way, then sure we have to take what we can get and try to be happy with it.

As far as not getting the details exactly right, I think it's more like not getting the details remotely close. The only similarities between "Jazz Jackrabbit" for GBA and Jazz Jackrabbit 1 and 2 for PC is that he's green and a rabbit. Not good enough, in my opinion.

[FQuist]

They don't have to sue us. They can just treaten our host with a lawsuit and the host will shut us down. Hosts always do, they don't really care about such things as long as they don't get sued.

The legal action would probably be taken because people are talking about piracing ROMs and because apperently some people have decided to spam Game Titan. These people mentioned that at Jazz2Online, but the site is not responsible for their actions. As you can see there's barely any legal ground except a lawsuit for the treat of spamming them if they don't change their character. But hosts don't care about a lack of legal ground, that's how far freedom of speech goes in the US.

I wouldn't worry however. I mean, they've treatened us, but they haven't taken those steps yet. We will talk it over with Game Titan and make clear that we are not responsible for the outings of users on our site, and neither for their actions. I have good hope in that we will come to a solution.

If Game Titan was really spammed by some JJ2 fans I can see why they're upset. Spamming them is just immoral.

[Dark MooGoo]

Originally posted by Fquist
Spamming them is just immoral.

Most of all, spamming them is downright stupid.

Feedback and opinions are one thing, spamming is dumb.

[Super Saiyan]

Who actually spammed them?

[$tilettø]

<strike>Piccolo?</strike> Just kidding.

i dunno

There are Different Opinions about "Spamming"

[Paul]

and--for all those screaming "free speech! free speech! we can say whatever we want to Game Titan!"

Sure you can. But allow me to let you in on a little secret about free speech.

It doesn't always help you.

For example:

If I walk up to you and say "wow, your work sucks, you suck and I can't stand everything you've done," you probably will be less than pleased. In fact--you might be disinclined to listen to me in the future (to put it lightly). It works the same way for the folks over at Game Titan. If you're abusive, angry, or spamm-ish, chances are that your feedback will be ignored in the future. And you don't really want that, do you?

So--you can say whatever you want (and this is leaving out all the GBA Emulator/ROM/Lawsuit/Blah/Blah stuff) but don't expect something you say in a way that's annoying, mean, or just plain dumb to help you now, or (especially) in the future.

Keep that in mind, eh? People don't like to be harrassed/annoyed. It helps no one (especially not you) and hurts them.

Feedback is fine-don't get me wrong. But if *I* were one of the guys at Game Titan I would be annoyed by some of the stuff being said here (and it doesn't really matter if the complaints are legit or not--), such as the repetition of FIXORS TEH JAZZ JACKRABBIT *cough* *cough* and various other things. If that's the sort of material that is being sent off to Game Titan, there's no wonder they're ****ed.

[Dark MooGoo]

I agree with you 100% that stupid taglines won't get anything done. But that's because at this stage I don't EXPECT anything to get changed. Their work on the game is almost complete so I don't expect them to change what they've already done. If I really wanted to argue with Game Titan, I'd come up with something more rational (and formal) but this is simply my way of informally showing my disappointment.

That's pretty much what it all comes down to: disappointment. I'm happy they wanted to do something positive with Jazz, I'm just not satisfied with what they've done thus far. Of course, they're not out to satisfy just me, but from what I've gathered, there's more than just one person who isn't pleased.

[Trafton AT]

Err...FQuist's right. I forgot about the host being sued. However, if they did, they are allienating the fans, which will financially due them no good and completely destroying the community helps no one. Apparently, Game Titan doesn't realize this.

Whoever is/was spamming should stop. Nothing good will come of it. It's obvious that they wont "FIX0R TEH JAZZ JACKRABBIT!" any time soon,

[FreeLance]

I still plan on purchasing and enjoying the game. I'm not going to (/) (/) (-) and say I love the new Jazz, but I appreciate the time and effort put into making a game, and I look forward to playing it. If it's a good game, I'll spread the word.

Derby: Content/Context edit.

[KRSplat]

It's really hard to destroy this community. For example, when J2C was shut down, we went to Universe Jazz, and eventually J2o.

Anyway, if they shut down J2o, they might as well cancel JJA. We may not be adults, but video gaming is dominated by not adults, but children. Poeple talk is all I'm saying. We can help their sales, or hurt their sales.

As for the new look (for Jazz, not Zelda ;)), it's fine. But I like the old one better.

Don't you think we could do a little less complaining, and a little more, say, productive speculating and guessing what it might be like?

Also, we REALLY want to have a good relationship with this company. If we spam them, that tells them not to make a new Jazz game, because they'll get themselves flooded. Yes, the repetitive FIXORS TEH JAZZ JACKRABBIT really gets on my nerves.

If we send thoughtful messages that actually make sense and don't overload them, we might actually get some quality new games (not that we don't have them already.)

It's not like companies everywhere want to make the sequel to the game that lost money. Think about it. GOD Games, the American distributor went bankrupt. Project 2, the European distributor went bankrupt. When Jazz Jackrabbit was announced for Game Boy originally, it was never done. TSF was never released in America. Jazz3d was cancelled. Vesion 1.25 of JJ2 never happened. The Epic listserver is dead. We must take advantage of this chance and help our new game gain popularity.

True, they don't have the old team doing the stuff. It might not look like Jazz. But this is the Game Titan Jazz, not the Nick Jazz. Maybe, if they understand what we mean, future releases might bring back the old look.

We've only seen screenshots. You never know, they might change the look slightly before the release. Anger at the fans of JJ2 will not make them care about the series much anymore.

So I beg you not to lower our chances of a new JJ game. They are already low enough.

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

I am against repetitively flaming the game and creators- we should be grateful, but sheesh. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH STATING AN OPINION AND THEY CAN'T HOLD IT AGAINST US! To me it looks like they wanted to make a cheap game that might sell a little, so they went to search for a cheap liscence. They found Jazz Jackrabbit, and slapped his name on to their green bunny game. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like much effort was put into this game. But I pray that I am wrong, that we could get a new great game that would continue the tradition of Jazz. Let's face it, with JJ3 cancelled, no new patches, etc, Jazz is at the end of his life. We need something like this. However, if Game Titan expects me to go about praising everything about it, then they are more foolish than I thought. But people, try not to pass judgement before even seeing the game!

AJ2f

[KRSplat]

I agree with you, AJ2F.

However, ROMs are illegal, I guess the actual offendors (not J2o, or people who talk about it) could be sued minorly. But, since I don't think anyone has yet, talking is okay.

Also, we're allowed to say bad things about it.

[Trafton AT]

OK, here's the legal problem:

There is no way that Jazz2Online could successfuly be sued. Period. It's just not going to happen. The trouble is how web hosts handle lawsuits.

The thing is that when web hosts receive law suit threats, they automatically drop the site because they hate lawsuits. They don't really care about the reason. When threatened with a lawsuit, they usually cut off the site. And that's what the big danger is. We'll see how the atmosphere turns out, but I pledge my alliegence to this web site and will do anything in my power to keep it alive. :)

[Krezack]

Whoa, stop your winging. Jazz is dead, get over it. You bite Clifferey's head off because he tells you he has revived some parts of Jazz? *cough* losers *cough* :roll:

What's with this whole lawsuit thing? Clifferey Bee, have you been trying to sue J2O? :D

EDIT: All of this message is a joke, bar paragraph 1.

[Nadine]

Jazz Jackrabbit Advance leaves some of us in a weird position. This is a new chance for this licence to gain popularity and money again. There's no doubt that Star Wars is popular - hey I love Star Wars. Maybe this is the look they decided on to get some attention - to get some popularity to the series. Maybe the move was risky, and I would have liked a different new look or the original one. But Jazz fans know about this game now, and hopefully it will get enough marketing so other gamers know about it.

THEN we'll all get to see whether or not the gameplay measures up. I mean, the screenshots show that there is dialog in this game. Could that mean a story withen the game? Could that mean hints at solving puzzles if there are some in the game? This could be really interesting. And dare I say it, this could be really fun to play. I'm sure Game Titan knew the risks of not only choosing a different look or theme for the game, but actually making a new Jazz game is risky because of the money losses from before. But Jazz games are fun and have great characters and animation. So why did they not do well? Poorly marketed - that's all. Jazz is a cool licence. I'm sure Game Titan realised this and I hope they are prepared to do what needs be to make sure the game does well. But, we are not prepared to go and market it for them when we have no idea what the game will be like ourselves.

It's just wait and see. But while we wait, it'd be good to not spam Game Titan and constantly exclaim "Fixors..." you know the rest. What kind of weird language is that anyway? Geek language?

Oh and as for the game industry - the majority of game players are NOT children. That's the stereotype we'd like to rid of the industry. Games are suitable for many ages, and the majority of game players are between the ages of 15 and 30 if I remember the statistics I read in my game class in college a few months ago. That's teens and young adults. Many games these days are made with a Teen or Mature rating as well.

Actually, yeah! That's what Jazz needs! Not a new look so much, but a new attitude! Maybe baddies should spill blood and maybe Jazz should get weapons that look different, but all still are a metamorphasized version of the blaster. I would like this better than the one gun getting different ammo only.

[Enigma]

I don't have a GBA and i missed Cliff and Noogy posting here. I'll just cry my eyes out for that, and when i'm done, i'd say: i don't think Game Titan would have much interest in suing j2o or the community. Fact is that this community would be likely to form a major part of the total number of people who'd buy the game. And personally, i don't think the game got flamed very much here. Just a few people being a bit annoyed because of Jazz's different look. Is that flaming? Is that negative publicity that would scare people into not buying the game? As for emulators: i have no interest in those and i don't really like them, but let's face it: some people make ROMs for everything. Unlikely that they can be stopped. However, J2O couldn't possibly be to blame for that.

[$tilettø]

What kind of weird language is that anyway? Geek language?
<b>Veggie Language

;)

[Fawriel]

HOLY CRAP!!!
IT'S CLIFFY AND NOOGY! :eek::eek::eek:
I'M YOUR BIGGEST FAN!:D:D:D

(DARNIT,WHY DO ALL THOSE GREAT THINGS HAPPEN WHEN I'M AWAY?X.X)

[Batty Buddy]

Que Passa!!!!

(DARNIT,WHY DO ALL THOSE GREAT THINGS HAPPEN WHEN I'M AWAY?X.X)

Sorry, dude. Sometimes #@$ happens...

[4I Falcon]

Yesh. Quoite.

If Noogy had worked on JJA, the game prolly wouldn't have looked so... um... not. Like the original Jazz was. Or Jazz 2.

Like too many people have said, whoever's making the new game (Jaleco, isn't it?) has put a totally new spin on Jazz Jackrabbit, and it's turned into a pro-con opinion war. Some people like the new look, and love the parody of Star Wars integrated into the game. Others, like me, wish Jazz was the way he always was: the tough warrior guy. Well, the tough warrior guy with no pants, but that's another story. At least in this rehash they've given him clothing.
And I have to agree with Batty Buddy, as he said this somewhere: you don't mess with the bandana and the blaster. It's simply not done. That's the way Jazz was originally made to be, and those items are his trademarks. Now, Jaleco's decided to scrap them, and all of a sudden, Jazz isn't what he used to be. That little green rabbit with a blaster pistol is just that. A little green rabbit with a blaster pistol. Not Jazz. :(

...Ack! Getting sentimental again! *whacks self several times over the head with a mallet*

[Batty Buddy]

Que Passa!!!!

Actually, I've been thinking it over and I've come to a REASON about why all these game characters have been changing without complaints, but we don't like Jazz's new look:

Jazz's changes are too many and too fast.

Think about it: Link may not be the same as he was in OOT- but we can still see him as Link: He's got the pointed hood-like elvin hat, the tunic, and the sword.
Mario still has his hat, overalls, and mustache, just like he did when he was chasing after a big ugly gorilla.
Conker's clothes, although different, still look the same style: they may be slightly different colors but they are still a jacket and shoes.
Even Toejam and Earl have undergone changes, but Toejam still has his hat and gold chain, and Earl is still wearing those shorts of his.

Jazz not only has new clothes- but everything that he brought in with him is gone: the LFG 2000, the bandana, the wristbands and backpack- all gone. Maybe if he still was wearing the bandana, or if the gun was still the LFG 2000, we might be able to accept it better, even WITH his new clothes- but all that we have that says that it is Jazz is a green rabbit and Game Titans title.

And in that extent: lets look on over at Devan: not too many people have been complaining about him- why?... Well, maybe it's because he's not the star: but look at him- he STILL HAS HIS GLASSES! He is STILL identifiable as Devan, he just looks like he's going to a SciFi convention.

What I'm trying to say is, maybe the problem is the fact that Jazz underwent too MANY changes in too short a time rather then the fact that he underwent any changes at all.

I just kind of wanted to say that for a while. As for me: I will still use the Jazz 2 Jazz (hereafter known as JTJ) in my War Tavern stories, and fan art(yes, I do make fan art: I just haven't posted any of it.).

[Atlas]

its just a game why is everyone so concerned???? dont u have any other life?? if you dont like the look of jazz just put a piece of tape in the centre of the GBA screen, then u probably wont see him:D

btw why does every one talk crazy language?

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

Originally posted by Nadine

Actually, yeah! That's what Jazz needs! Not a new look so much, but a new attitude! Maybe baddies should spill blood and maybe Jazz should get weapons that look different, but all still are a metamorphasized version of the blaster. I would like this better than the one gun getting different ammo only.

No, if you put blood in Jazz you destroy it. Jazz has always been one of the few great games that ANYBODY can enjoy. The game that went against the tide. Everything when JJ2 was being made had to be 3D and full of blood. If you put this in the next JJ game, I would consider it even less Jazz than that GBA game.

Further, if you study those screenies, you will see that Jazz DOES get different guns for different ammo in this new game.

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

Originally posted by Batty Buddy
lets look on over at Devan: not too many people have been complaining about him- why?... Well, maybe it's because he's not the star: but look at him- he STILL HAS HIS GLASSES! He is STILL identifiable as Devan, he just looks like he's going to a SciFi convention.

Oh, no, they ONLY CHANGED HIS NAME!!!

But I hypothesize that that isn't Devan, but some other turtle. Maybe his son? Who knows what they will do...

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

Originally posted by Atlas
its just a game why is everyone so concerned???? dont u have any other life?? if you dont like the look of jazz just put a piece of tape in the centre of the GBA screen, then u probably wont see him:D

btw why does every one talk crazy language?

1: Because we are fans of the Jazz series and this one seemingly goes against everything that we know to be Jazz.

2 : No, why are we here? ;)

3 : That replacement green bunny looks better than a piece of tape, at least.

4 : Not everyone talks a crazy language. And the ones that do do so because it is fun.

And my question to you : What are you doing here?

[Atlas]

hmmm...

[Atlas]

Originally posted by Another Jazz 2 fan


And my question to you : What are you doing here?

[$tilettø]

btw why does every one talk crazy language?

To get Attention

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by Nadine
Actually, yeah! That's what Jazz needs! Not a new look so much, but a new attitude! Maybe baddies should spill blood and maybe Jazz should get weapons that look different, but all still are a metamorphasized version of the blaster. I would like this better than the one gun getting different ammo only.

No.

[KRSplat]

NO BLUD IN JAZZ

Why in the world would they shange Devan's name? I'll bet you anything (worth less than a nickel) that it's different, you can't mess with the names, or else... it would be less of a Jazz game. What if they called him Jack Jackrabbit? No way am I buying that game just because they're both green rabbits -- at least it's still the JJ license.

I'm way off my point.

*wants the old Jazz back*

Ah well.

[The Hye Circus]

I already posted it once, so I'll say it again. Jazz is a solider of fourtune who drives a space ship looking for money. Where do you drive a space ship, on the ground? No, you fly it in space. So now, you all have a mis-interpretation of Jazz. Sure we all like Jazz the way his is, but the fact of the matter is he's a space ship flying kind of guy... unless he's a king. Well, then this one must take place some other time.

I would rather the Jazz look differen't, but I'm not going to cut down tree's until it happens. Oh yeah I love the new Zelda system. It sounds like so much fun to play. Do you know why his eyes are so big? They look around the room for secrets or enemies so it's easier for you. It's pretty cool. Plus his expresson is always changing.

[KRSplat]

Eh. Yeah, but what the manuals say isn't what we're used to. What we're used to is our "haggard guerrilla varmint".

[The Hye Circus]

I'm not trying to say what you're used to. I'm used to it too. All I'm saying is this isn't out of Left Field (not the company, mind you) this does have some basis.

Granted Jazz did most of his fighting on the ground...

[KRSplat]

Actually, now that I look at them again, it's not so dofferent anymore. At least not as outrageously different. The Celda Effect is kicking in for me ;p (much later than for Zelda, though.)

[KRSplat]

(Mind the three posts in a row. I don't feel like editing.)

After looking at the earlier posts abbout JJA, I discovered that in the beginning, the look was not much of a big deal. Then, some people pointed it out lightly, and it became rather exadurated, to the point of being threatened by the makers.

[KRSplat]

(four)

I agree with that. My comment was kind of not really an argument ;)

[Tubz]

Hey CliffyB, just another loyal old JJ fan here. Well strangely enough, all my friends that I talked to about JJ have never heard of this game before! Or any of the Predecessors. Perhaps I will spread the word.

So you're going to release a JJ game for the GBA, heard about that off Haze Hackrabbit's site. Wonder if it's going to be a good platformer. Anyway, i'm still trying to beat Megaman Battle Network II, it's fairly difficult... But fun!

The major problem with platformers, is that they're too short and repetitive. Try to avoid these problems! And I might just buy/download the game, lol.

[Violet CLM]

No, CliffyB (as far as I can tell) has nothing to do with JJA. (If he did, it would look good!)

[EvilMike]

I'm just speculating here.

Perhaps the creators of the game will add a story-element to the game which explains the appearance change. Won't we be embarassed if we find out the game takes place 1000 years after jj2 and the "Jazz Jackrabbit" in JJA is really some descendant.

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

I actually hope you are right, there, Mike. Then I could accept this game. And, like I said, Dark Shell looks more like he would be Devan's son, not Devan with a new name. He looks younger than Devan. And he has a different name!

I don't like the idea of tampering with Jazz's look, but if that rabbit isn't Jazz, then it doesn't matter how he looks. He could just have the same name.

Or he could be Jazz when he was a young, brash rabbit. (Not the trained, confident, turtle-butt whooper we know today). Maybe back then Devan went by the alias "dark". This could be a prequel to Jazz 1.

I hope either of those is correct, or close. Then I could more easily bring myself to like the game, if it has good gameplay, that is. And where that is concerned, I hope it plays more like Jazz 1 than Jazz 2, cause let's face it, the levels in JJ1 were much better. (Although judging from the abundance of JJ2 tilesets used in this game, this doesn't look likely.)

And let's look at the positive side, it looks like the game has some kind of storyline to it. Now, it could be very cheesy and embarassing, but I do like the idea somewhat of a storyline.

So, in short, if the game is either a prequel, or a sequel about our hero's offspring (or later descendant), has good gameplay, and the storyline is actually good, I think I could like this game.

AJ2f

[Haze]

Originally posted by Another Jazz 2 fan

Or he could be Jazz when he was a young, brash rabbit. (Not the trained, confident, turtle-butt whooper we know today). Maybe back then Devan went by the alias "dark". This could be a prequel to Jazz 1.

AJ2f

I really hope it's a prequel. That would indeed explain our hero's looks and also would explain the (likely) absence of the other characters.

As some may have noticed from the screenshots this new game is more story driven than any of the previous games. And obviously contains more RPG-like conversations.

And maybe we will like the story. And maybe it will finally explain why Jazz got banned from Carrotus in the first place (see JJ1). :)

*me can't wait*

[FreeLance]

Well, yeah, I've only been saying that's a possibility since the begining. And that's all it is, but it makes sense. But then, so does just giving Jazz a new look. These guys wanted a game of their own, not JJ2 for the GBA.

[Dark MooGoo]

These guys wanted a game of their own ...

Then why'd they have to call it "Jazz Jackrabbit"? It would had been a whole lot better had they called it something else.

[defalcon]

Originally posted by Dark MooGoo
Then why'd they have to call it "Jazz Jackrabbit"? It would had been a whole lot better had they called it something else.
That's what I've been saying. If they wanted Star Wars, they shoulda asked Mr Lucas.

[DanYjel]

Bad dog with t-shirt and gun.
We want Jazz3D!!!
Or Noogy musts art this
:confused: :confused: :confused: :( :( :( :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Enigma]

As much as we would like to, we cannot force Noogy to do art stuff for this. And uh, about Jazz 3D: you haven't been around here for the past few years, have you? Otherwise you'd know that the chances for Jazz 3D to be finished are very much near nil.

[KRSplat]

Originally posted by Another Jazz 2 fan
I actually hope you are right, there, Mike. Then I could accept this game. And, like I said, Dark Shell looks more like he would be Devan's son, not Devan with a new name. He looks younger than Devan. And he has a different name!

I don't like the idea of tampering with Jazz's look, but if that rabbit isn't Jazz, then it doesn't matter how he looks. He could just have the same name.

Or he could be Jazz when he was a young, brash rabbit. (Not the trained, confident, turtle-butt whooper we know today). Maybe back then Devan went by the alias "dark". This could be a prequel to Jazz 1.

I hope either of those is correct, or close. Then I could more easily bring myself to like the game, if it has good gameplay, that is. And where that is concerned, I hope it plays more like Jazz 1 than Jazz 2, cause let's face it, the levels in JJ1 were much better. (Although judging from the abundance of JJ2 tilesets used in this game, this doesn't look likely.)

And let's look at the positive side, it looks like the game has some kind of storyline to it. Now, it could be very cheesy and embarassing, but I do like the idea somewhat of a storyline.

So, in short, if the game is either a prequel, or a sequel about our hero's offspring (or later descendant), has good gameplay, and the storyline is actually good, I think I could like this game.

AJ2f

Imagination ;p

Actually, they might be raised to about 25% is this game does well. Although I doubt if the original JJ3d makers will continue it.

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by EvilMike
Perhaps the creators of the game will add a story-element to the game which explains the appearance change. Won't we be embarassed if we find out the game takes place 1000 years after jj2 and the "Jazz Jackrabbit" in JJA is really some descendant.

And yet they call it Jazz Jackrabbit?

Pardon my existance, but I find it kind of unethical to try to get a game to sell by saying "Oh, the main character is the descendant of Jazz Jackrabbit". It's like having some random game and saying Duke Nukem's the main character's father.

[Trafton AT]

"Pardon my existance."
Heh.

I also hope that it takes place in the future. I would like a reason for the visual change, but I'm sure the reason, if there is one, will obviously not be the best plot line. The simple reason is:

If Jazz looks like Luke Skywalker, the game will get more money.

Simple, isn't it?

[Radium]

Nooooogy! You don't hate jj2! Remember me? I'm on your forum as Chaos Hydra!

[atesoRJOL]

Is this an effort to destory Jazz2 and stop it so that it changes into something else and Jazz will never be the same again? I do hope this game is neither the future or past of Jazz. And yes, why did they have to call it Jazz Jackrabbit if they wanted their own game? I am planning on making a game with a green bunny and hes not called Jazz Jackrabbit, but hes more like a Jazz type character than this one.
Its more like a Jazz3D xcept its a diffirent game:O :roll:

[Radium]

Stop thinking on the bad side, Rose. We all know that's going to happen, but we don't have to SAY we think that.

[Disguise]

FI><0RS TEH JACKRABBIT IN TEH NAME OF PAGE 5 I JUST CLAIMED!!!

This is a serious issue guys :p
I'd make a FI><0R sig but I like my curren tone too much, so I'm stuck claiming pages ;)

[MoonBlazE]

*steals page from Disquise*

[Tik]

"btw why does every one talk crazy language?" - Atlast

JEEBUS IS LARD! NOW FI><0RS!!! dog.

I made a post way earlier about my theory...we all say Jazz looks younger, and I brought up the idea that perhaps this is Jazz Jackrabbit the 2nd. I mean, at the end of Jazz2, Jazz and Eva get married, why couldn't this new looking Jazz be their offspring? And maybe Dark Shell is some remote relation to Devan. Or maybe the characters suck. They need to release more information.

[Atlas]

cool!, Spaztic has a quote from me on his signature thingy :D

[Kientero]

Originally posted by Batty Buddy
Jazz not only has new clothes- but everything that he brought in with him is gone: the LFG 2000, the bandana, the wristbands and backpack- all gone. Maybe if he still was wearing the bandana, or if the gun was still the LFG 2000, we might be able to accept it better, even WITH his new clothes- but all that we have that says that it is Jazz is a green rabbit and Game Titans title.

*thinks*
Jazz Jackrabbit...

...married to Eva Earlong
...bandana, wristbands & backpack are removed
...LFG 2000 even updated or changed for a new weapon
...new clothes

JAZZ's FUTURE SON??? :O

[Tik]

Originally posted by Kientero
*thinks*
Jazz Jackrabbit...

...married to Eva Earlong
...bandana, wristbands & backpack are removed
...LFG 2000 even updated or changed for a new weapon
...new clothes

JAZZ's FUTURE SON??? :O

Yeah.

I kind of already brought up that idea twice. Maybe you should read the whole topic first =P

Btw, welcome to the forums. Remember to stay inside the Protection Box, lest you be censored by the Horse.

[FreeLance]

To clear something up:
What I mean is, they wanted to create a Jazz game. They didn't want to copy JJ2 or JJ1. I agree, they could've done so without the changes, but they didn't. So live with it. Nagging gets no where.

[Krezack]

I am the best.

[CliffyB]

FYI I am doing everything in my power to make sure that Jazz returns in his full glory sometime in the near future.

Hard to say if it will happen, the business is very tricky and very fickle.

Needless to say Noogy and I are working together.

Cliff

[Trafton]

Originally posted by CliffyB
FYI I am doing everything in my power to make sure that Jazz returns in his full glory sometime in the near future.

Hard to say if it will happen, the business is very tricky and very fickle.

Needless to say Noogy and I are working together.

Cliff
The big problem is that the market is, in fact, extremely tricky and fickle. Not many big publishers would be interested in producing a game that has unknown sales, which is why Jazz 3 was cancelled in the first place. There are plenty of dedicated people on board, it's just that there are a lot of potential money problems.

[EvilMike]

With enough marketing, a good amount of money, and some nice ol' fashoned propaganda (man I love spreading that stuff), anything can be successful.

[Trafton]

Originally posted by EvilMike
With enough marketing, a good amount of money, and some nice ol' fashoned propaganda (man I love spreading that stuff), anything can be successful.
True, but there's always the problem that we must have something to spread propaganda (which is fun to do) for. Even if we got many people, it might still be hard finding JJ GBA. I like Paul's idea especially, because it may increase the stores stocking it and the amount they have in stock.

[Violet CLM]

I meant to make promotional posters for JJA to give out with the candy on Halloween, but I never got around to it.

[Cpp]

Ow come on! Haven't you earned enough money with all that "Unreal" stuff already?

There's got to be more to Jazz than this.

[defalcon]

Originally posted by Overlord
Ow come on! Haven't you earned enough money with all that "Unreal" stuff already?

There's got to be more to Jazz than this.
They still have profit from UT2K3, there's Unreal 2, Unreal Warfare eventually, and the engine licensing...

But yes I agree: More Jazz! :P

[Newspaz]

I think Epic should not make anymore Jazz. Or license any more Jazz. This is just hurting the game.

They should give the rights of the character to Arjan. However, I think that if Arjan will be building a new Jazz game. He will start making the biggest mistake possible. And destroy the concept. He would probably make it 3D.

Bah.. 3D.. the horror..

[defalcon]

Awww come on Newspaz, the unfinished JJ3 seemed pretty cool. And you can't fault the music either. ;)

[The Hye Circus]

Company's that don't take risks don't get anywhere. Just look at Animal Crossing. It was a huge risk, and it paid off.

[Cpp]

I agree. 2D is good but 3D is better. Think of all the possibilities about how could the 3D levels look like!

EDIT: Typo

[Krezack]

Originally posted by Overlord
I agree. 2D is good but 3D is better. Think of all the possibilities about how could the 3D levels look like!

EDIT: Typo

What Overlord said. Even RPG companies are turning to 3D. Blizzard, Black Isle, Bioware. And let me tell you, once a company goes 3D, it don't go back.

To sum it up in 4 words: 3D is the future.

[Newspaz]

Jazz in 3D just isn't Jazz. Taking the step to 3D has destroyed so many other old platformers..

And besides, I get all dizzy and get a headache when I play 3D games.

[The Hye Circus]

Yes, many games have not handled the switch from 2-D well at all. I can only think of one company that has done it every time. So think of it this way, what if Jazz does make the switch to 3-D perfectly.

[MoonBlazE]

Serious, another Jazz PC game in 2D won't make it.
They would lose money on it again, and Jazz would be killed.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Newspaz
Jazz in 3D just isn't Jazz. Taking the step to 3D has destroyed so many other old platformers..

And besides, I get all dizzy and get a headache when I play 3D games.
What about seeing the things we DON'T like in Jazz2?
You can't have a real "storyline" in JJ2.
AND,I would just LOVE it if I could IMPROVE Jazz and Spaz using expreience points and stuff!http://images.deviantart.com/emoticons/icon_aww.gif
Have you ever seen those features in a 2D game?
Jazz3 was the coolest when it existed,there!:o

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by Piccolo
What about seeing the things we DON'T like in Jazz2?
You can't have a real "storyline" in JJ2.
AND,I would just LOVE it if I could IMPROVE Jazz and Spaz using expreience points and stuff!You can make a nice story line in jj2, you just have to make it well up. Take "Another Story" as example.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Moonblaze
You can make a nice story line in jj2, you just have to make it well up. Take "Another Story" as example.
I know Another Story!=P
But it didn't turn out too well...
You were attacked by enemies who in that story are your allies for a while,and there are other flaws,too...
I just mean Jazz's just not made for having stroylines!='

[Newspaz]

Originally posted by Moonblaze
Serious, another Jazz PC game in 2D won't make it.
They would lose money on it again, and Jazz would be killed.

I am pretty sure there wasn't any money lost on Jazz2. And I also think that there are a lot of gamers who have loved 2D games, and still will.

Also kids will be intrested.

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by Piccolo
I just mean Jazz's just not made for having stroylines!='

Translation: I have no idea how to make JJ2 levels with a storyline, so I'll blame it on JJ2 instead of myself.



Anyway, everyone said Jazz couldn't do any more in 2D, and look at this Advance game. The enemies seem to have some major artificial intelligence, and there's probably something else I'm forgetting. Sonic had lots of 2D games that were all basically exactly the same, and they did fine.

[The Hye Circus]

2-D can do more then you think. People just look past it because 3-D is much cooler looking. I would prefer a Third Person Shooter... though I can't remember the last one I played. Jazz as a FPS? Never.

[Stijn]

No, no FPS. That's more something for characters like <s>mario</s> Hitman and his buddies.

But Jazz3 in 3D was fine the way it was in the demo. I personally prefer 3D over 2D; I really like the idea of being able to walk in every direction like in real life. It literally adds a new dimension to the game. Plus, 3D levels have much more possiblities as 2D.

I also agree to Piccolo: Another Story was great but it didn't have really interesting gameplay. You were just walking from level to level and there wasn't really "action". It looked awesome anyway :)

Remember, these are just my opinions.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Unknown Rabbit
Translation: I have no idea how to make JJ2 levels with a storyline, so I'll blame it on JJ2 instead of myself.

Hey,I DO know it!
But it ISN'T MADE FOR IT!
There could for example be something to make videos for inbetween and stuff...
I'm currently making such an episode,and IF I AT LAST FIND SOME MOTIVATION I could make a whole revolution in story-lines in JJ2...*sigh*
*kicks himself for being so lazy*XD

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by Newspaz
I am pretty sure there wasn't any money lost on Jazz2.There was lost money on Jazz2, that is one of the problems why Jazz3 was stopped.
Orange didn't wanted to give another try.

[ShadowGPW]

USA maybe

Europe nope, Project 2 lived on because of jazz.. without it it died even sooner :P

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

The US publisher (GOD games) took a huge loss on JJ2 and would not consider doing JJ3 after the huge losses.

[Super Saiyan]

How come the game had huge losses while it received alot of awards and also was prized for best game of the year, etc. You could say it was a best-seller... :confused:

[Newspaz]

Originally posted by Bobby aka Dizzy
The US publisher (GOD games) took a huge loss on JJ2 and would not consider doing JJ3 after the huge losses.

Yeah right! And that's why they actually agreed on publishing Holiday Hare 98 eh?

[ShadowGPW]

it was the WORST selling game not the "Bad" seller..
Also god was already in troubles before jazz.. they called it max pane..

the game what was the best in selling, but ironicly it brings them to the doom.. because of the delayes (time = money)

[Batty Buddy]

Que Passa!!!!

Well, I may have given up hope on Jazz and finally desided that I am not going to buy it unless it's in the bargin bin, but I just wanted to say:

I like "Another story". It beat me to it(I was going to make something similar except designed for cooperative play, named "Jazz and Spaz's bogus journey."... Yes, after "Bill and Ted's bogus journey"- Jazz and Spaz die at the hands of Devan and fight to get another chance at life.).

[CliffyB]

If Jazz were to return, he would probably:

-Be a 3rd person 3d title
-Appear on a next-generation console first

Cliff

[Aiko]

...which would cost the game all its appeal as a *2d platformer* coming from the *PC scene*.

I won't buy any console.

[Newspaz]

Originally posted by CliffyB
If Jazz were to return, he would probably:

-Be a 3rd person 3d title
-Appear on a next-generation console first

Cliff

Oh well, in that case I guess I'll just stick to Jazz2. Or go play another game. This is not worth it.


Oh yes. I do not claim this page. I hate people who claim pages :P.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Newspaz
Oh yes. I do not claim this page. I hate people who claim pages :P.

Okay!
*claims the page in the name of FI><0RS TEH EVA/JAZZ MARRIAGE*

Okay,not just claiming pages here...

You can do whateva you want to to Jazz as long as it stays the real game AND has the same cool JCS!

NO Star Wars or anything,please!

[Trafton]

Originally posted by CliffyB
If Jazz were to return, he would probably:

-Be a 3rd person 3d title
-Appear on a next-generation console first

Cliff
The important word here is first. ;-P

I would have no problem with Jazz on a console, but the game developers needs to realize that much of the fanbase revolves around the Internet. If Jazz 3 for the console was to have Internet play, that would be good, but really the only way to get the fanbase in on a game is to make it for the PC, where they originally stay. If JJ3 was to be console-released, I think that either the XBox and GameCube would suit him. The XBox would better support any complex graphics involved while the GameCube would probably sell better (more JJ2ers have GameCube than XBox it seems, partially thanks to Super Smash Brothers Melee) and also allow the brand to grow better (a cute rabbit would find favor in much of the age group that the GameCube appeals to, while the XBox's agegroup might be more accepting to the third person shooter element of the new Jazz. I'm glad Jazz 3 if it will be released will likely be third person. Jazz being a first person just wouldn't seem to fit. Still, just having a new Jazz game would be good. I'm glad to see our little green bunny has not been forgotten about, and hope this game sells well. If it does, Jazz might even have a future, whether it's one on a console or on the PC. Beggars can't be choosers, but beggars can be dreamers. ;)

[defalcon]

A third person 3D title? I have no problems with that, JJ3 was and it looked pretty darn cool.

However, console first? The problem would be that the Jazz fanbase revolves almost exclusively around the PC (seeing as how until now they've all been PC games). Not to mention, the reason JJ2 is still alive is due to the fact that it can be played online, and that we can have custom content such as levels and tilesets.

Whilst the Xbox will allow for internet play, it will imho be limited compared to the PC. Not to mention, custom content on an Xbox is basically a no go (even though it has a HDD).

I do hope we get JJ3 on the PC fisrt.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by defalcon
A third person 3D title? I have no problems with that, JJ3 was and it looked pretty darn cool.

However, console first? The problem would be that the Jazz fanbase revolves almost exclusively around the PC (seeing as how until now they've all been PC games). Not to mention, the reason JJ2 is still alive is due to the fact that it can be played online, and that we can have custom content such as levels and tilesets.

Whilst the Xbox will allow for internet play, it will imho be limited compared to the PC. Not to mention, custom content on an Xbox is basically a no go (even though it has a HDD).

I do hope we get JJ3 on the PC fisrt.
Not to forget the XBOX costs way too much!:o
Only a few guys in this community could afford it I think...
JJ2,could even be played on a really crappy and old PC!:)

[FreeLance]

Pic, I don't know about there, but here you can get an xbox for 199 bucks. That's not bad at all.


I was actually coming here to say, that besides the blaster, Jazz looks nothing like Han Solo. I don't know where we all got off saying he does. He just has on...clothes, nothing even LIKE Han Solo's clothing.

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

If it appears on a console, please have it on PS2. It can be on every console, too, but I don't want to dish out $150 - $200 to buy a new console solely for Jazz.

(But my PS2 isn't and won't be hooked up to the net, so wouldn't it be better to make it a PC game?)

[defalcon]

Originally posted by FreeLance
Pic, I don't know about there, but here you can get an xbox for 199 bucks. That's not bad at all.


I was actually coming here to say, that besides the blaster, Jazz looks nothing like Han Solo. I don't know where we all got off saying he does. He just has on...clothes, nothing even LIKE Han Solo's clothing.
An Xbox costs about $300 bucks here. Which is expensive.

Jazz does look like Han Solo imho. Earlier in the thread I posted some pics. Go look. ;P

[ShadowGPW]

console or not,

going to buy it anyway :P

[Newspaz]

I don't think I'll buy it if it's 3D.

[Paul]

Originally posted by CliffyB
If Jazz were to return, he would probably:

-Be a 3rd person 3d title
-Appear on a next-generation console first

Cliff

As I see it, the only way Jazz has a future is as a 3D title, except on handheld consoles, such as GBA. Frankly, there is practically *zero* market for platformers nowadays outside the handheld market--and even that is dissapearing with such games as GTA3:GBA.

And while I'm not crazy about it coming out on a console first--I'm for the continuation of Jazz. As long as it comes out on the PC eventually, I'm happy. And furthermore, the console market is getting more and more 'wired' (e.g dialup adapters for DC/etc etc and the Xbox broadband). I believe a viable console game community could emerge.

Look folks. I'm getting rather (mad) about this constant moaning I hear. It seems that half of you want a recreation of JJ2. Folks--It's not happening. Come down to earth, please. JJ2 made no money (worse, it lost plenty) in '98--why would they ever pursue it now? No self-respecting developer would pursue the same formula that was a total flop before (that's why we have JJ:GBA and not PC). I'm amazed (and pleased) that someone even bothered to bring it back (thanks gametitan). I don't think that if I were a game developer, I would take that risk--and for good reason.

IMO, the only market for a platform Jazz is GBA--and if they did it for PC, here's what would happen.

it would fail. miserably. thus sealing the fate of jazz forever. Because whatever happens next--if it doesn't work, you can count on jazz never coming back. No one takes a failure and repeats it---twice---in the gaming industry, where the profit margins are so small.

I think Jazz should look into a theme song.

"and you never did think that it ever would happen again
.....
and you never did think that we'd ever get toghether again"
-CDB

Derby: Content replacement.

[Newspaz]

As I see it Jazz only has a future as a 2D title.It is the only way to be different of current titles. And I also think many nostalgic gamers would love to play a 2D title.

If they want another formula for a game. Just make a new one, and let the old one die peacefully, instead of screwing it up.

[Paul]

Originally posted by Newspaz
As I see it Jazz only has a future as a 2D title.It is the only way to be different of current titles. And I also think many nostalgic gamers would love to play a 2D title.
]

1) Innovation can happen in the 3D shooter world. It takes some work but it can be done. (Natural Selection, anyone? (: --though I admit there aren't many paralells between Natural Selection and JJ)

2) There aren't a tenth of the number of "nostalgia" gamers out there who would buy a future platformer JJ that there would need to be for the game to be a success. There weren't in '98--why would there be now? JJ2 is the best platformer ever made--hands down. There's no reason to believe that a new JJ would attract any new people--just the same one who bought the old one...aka not enough.

[FreeLance]

I thought so as well, BUT:
His outfit is nothing like Han Solo's. Han Solo wears a vest, a beige shirt, and blue pants with a stripe down the side, and tall black boots. Only rarely is he dressed otherwise.

[FreeLance]

And technically, Lucas didn't create the blaster pistol. It was just a brom/broomhandled german pistol from the late 1800s with a muzzle flash guard and a scope on top/theside ;)

[Newspaz]

Han Solo outfit or not, German gun or not, I still don't like it. What they did to Jazz and the story is unacceptable.

[Sun Fun Dude]

Originally posted by Paul
As I see it, the only way Jazz has a future is as a 3D title, except on handheld consoles, such as GBA. Frankly, there is practically *zero* market for platformers nowadays outside the handheld market--and even that is dissapearing with such games as GTA3:GBA.

And while I'm not crazy about it coming out on a console first--I'm for the continuation of Jazz. As long as it comes out on the PC eventually, I'm happy. And furthermore, the console market is getting more and more 'wired' (e.g dialup adapters for DC/etc etc and the Xbox broadband). I believe a viable console game community could emerge.

Look folks. I'm getting rather (mad) about this constant moaning I hear. It seems that half of you want a recreation of JJ2. Folks--It's not happening. Come down to earth, please. JJ2 made no money (worse, it lost plenty) in '98--why would they ever pursue it now? No self-respecting developer would pursue the same formula that was a total flop before (that's why we have JJ:GBA and not PC). I'm amazed (and pleased) that someone even bothered to bring it back (thanks gametitan). I don't think that if I were a game developer, I would take that risk--and for good reason.

IMO, the only market for a platform Jazz is GBA--and if they did it for PC, here's what would happen.

it would fail. miserably. thus sealing the fate of jazz forever. Because whatever happens next--if it doesn't work, you can count on jazz never coming back. No one takes a failure and repeats it---twice---in the gaming industry, where the profit margins are so small.

I think Jazz should look into a theme song.

"and you never did think that it ever would happen again
.....
and you never did think that we'd ever get toghether again"
-CDB

Derby: Content replacement.

Jazz does have a theme song. Its in the menu of both Jazz games. The reason Jazz2 didn't sell well was beacuse it was a 2D platform game and by then plaform games were diying!

[defalcon]

Fun Sun:
You forget the JJ3 theme song, which imho is the best out of the three. :)

Paul:
Nope, I want an update on the failed JJ3 project. Port to a new engine and spruce it from there. ;)

[Paul]

Originally posted by Sun Fun Dude
Jazz does have a theme song. Its in the menu of both Jazz games. The reason Jazz2 didn't sell well was beacuse it was a 2D platform game and by then plaform games were diying!

I wasn't serious with the theme song bit--I was trying to make a point regarding the unlikelihood of a JJ comeback of any kind. Thus the song I chose.

Yes, platform games were diying by then, and that's precisely why a platform game now would be foolishness incarnate. That was my point.

Defalcon : well, who wouldn't. JJ3 as it stood was fairly excellent. But it won't happen.

[FreeLance]

Unacceptable, NS? Unacceptable? You don't have to even know it exists. It doesn't have to exist.

[Newspaz]

Oh yes.

I think Gathering of Developers did something wrong in their complete strategy. You can not have a company die on a single game being lost money on. They must have lost money on near all their titles.

So I think we can conclude that Gathering of Developers's marketing strategy just was a huge mistake. And it was not (just?) Jazz.

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by defalcon
Fun Sun:
You forget the JJ3 theme song, which imho is the best out of the three. :)
Heh,I replaced it with the normal JJ2themesong on my JJ2!:D
Tis cool!:D

Erm...on-topic...

@Newspaz:YOu're right,but I think that was already mentioned a few times...;)

@Freelance:What're you gonna do to them so it WON'T,make flying zombie-apes haunt them?:o

(Yes I DID make that up myself and YES you MAY/MUST quote me on that!;))

@Freelance,too:A german gun?XD
Now shall I feel proud or guilty for giving him that new thingy?^_^;;

[FreeLance]

My point was that he could ignore it :P

And yeah, and it was the coolest pistol ever :>

[FreeLance]

Here's a nifty, yet unlikely idea:
The original blaster returns as the blue bouncer's weapon ;)

[Unhit]

Originally posted by Sun Fun Dude
Jazz does have a theme song. Its in the menu of both Jazz games. The reason Jazz2 didn't sell well was beacuse it was a 2D platform game and by then plaform games were diying!

I don't think platform games are dying. They just have a small constant community in an always growing "community" of all games. And imho, the 2D gives JJ2 the flair it has. I personally can't imagine Jazz in 3D.

[defalcon]

Originally posted by Unhit
I don't think platform games are dying. They just have a small constant community in an always growing "community" of all games. And imho, the 2D gives JJ2 the flair it has. I personally can't imagine Jazz in 3D.
Unhit, what you just said is the exact reason why a new JJ game SHOULD NOT be 2D - it has a SMALL community; it won't make them money. If it won't make them money, they won't produce it. Quite simple.

And from the JJ3 stuff on Noogy's site, and the FAQ, I'd say that Jazz3D would have rocked.

[Unhit]

You are right, of course they can't make much money. But I also don't think that Jazz3D would have sold that well. See, it is 3D, but it is so different from any other shooter...

Well, nm so far. We will see what JJ GBA brings us :).

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Unhit
You are right, of course they can't make much money. But I also don't think that Jazz3D would have sold that well. See, it is 3D, but it is so different from any other shooter...
HELLOO?
That's what would MAKE IT give money for the producers!XD
A 3D Jazz would be like a mixture between Duke Nukem and Super Mario,or Link and Conker or something!:D

THAT's exactly what people want I tell ya!^_^

*an enourmous wave of optimism breaks upon the community*XD

[Tmansdc]

I miss the blue gun and the headband. Also, where's lori and eva earlong (or something like that.) and also, where the **** is Devan Shell? (don't remember names too well. Been four months since I've played JJ2.) Sorry for the cursing. You probably aren't sorry, you're too **** busy with Unreal to care.


I'm sorry, I'm just frustrated. Please don't ban me. Just delete this.

[Bartman]

Well, let me cash in on my two cents:

If a Jazz sequel would be made, I would like Jazz to clean up his looks, although he should be able to retain his old attire, it wouldnt hurt to make him look a bit more cleaned up instead of a punk.

But you have to admit, Jazz GBA is missing what the first two did: addictive fun arcade styled gameplay. In Jazz GBA, you didnt have as many moves, Jazz was somewhat slow. And you couldnt really breeze through the levels with speed. But I do like the fact that the enemies took more than one shot to kill them. Maybe find some way to make it a little hard for them to be killed, but try not to downplay the arcade gameplay.

Another thing is if there were a 3D Jazz game, include all the rabbits. Jazz, Spaz, Eva, Lori. And I guess just for the fun of it, Devan Shell and the Jazz GBA guys. Like Margsley, Zoe Cottontail and Dark Shell. And try not to come up with another Super Mario 64 clone. Its a bit ridiculous to find a certain ammount of items to go onward. Sonic Adventure made a good transition to 3D. The only problem was that the engine was so dern buggy. Its not normal for a big gaming icon like Sonic to fall through floors. Even though he did it in his 2D games, he didnt do it frequently!

As for making control for the characters. It should have a way to toggle between 3rd and 1st person views. Mainly since people will want to have an arcade feel with 3rd person mode, and 1st person mode if they want to see directly in front of the character.

But most importantly, if Jazz is going to other consoles, I do reccomend putting him on the Cube. And yes, internet play is called for. I'm sick of people bashing the system because of its lack of internet titles. Jazz on the X-Box or PS2 is just...ridiculous.

First off, the X-Box just isnt quite kid friendly, not to mention it still houses some lackluster titles. Of course its a great graphical powerhouse, thats pretty much all the system excels in.

And the PS2 is overrated. Although you'd still want to put Jazz on it since it has so many titles. But usually those titles are dirt cheap and horrible. Plus usually multi-console ports have this system have the worst version, what with no progressive scan, horrible framerates, and butt-ugly graphics.

So why go with the Gamecube? Nintendo makes some quality titles. Wernt you on Extended Play Cliffy? You even said that Mario (And I think Sonic) were some of your favorite picks, despite the fact that Unreal Championship was your only console showing at the E3.

But you dont have to go by what I say, I'm just throwing a suggestion in.

[KRSplat]

No console. PC. You can have Game Titan Jazz on a console, but I like Jazz on PC. It's just simpler. (And it costs less to buy. Console games are around $40 now, more for the quality or new ones, while PC ones are around $30. Around. That means +/- <s>$50</s> $5.

[Bartman]

Sorry pal, PC games are beginning to go to $50.

Why? I dont know...

[The Hye Circus]

Yeah. Jazz on the Gamecube! It could be the SOCOM of the system, just not like SOCOM at all because of it's horrible graphics and clunky aiming (Yeah, since when does side-stepping and aiming belong on the same stick? Get rid of side-stepping and improve the aimingness - Sharp Shooter setup)

And if you want a Jazz Online RPG, I have a good idea for a quote"revoultionary"quote sound setup. I was unable to fall asleep so I worked it out. Remember, Z button to talk!

[4I Falcon]

Another excellent title for the Cube.

*goes back to SSB:M and stays in front of his TV for about seven hours*

[KRSplat]

My record is 9 hours straight of GameCube.

[The Hye Circus]

I would have that record beat, but while I was playing Metroid Prime, my Gamecube had some kind of defect unbeknownst to me and my Gamecube broke. It's fine now, there was a defective part and Nintendo fixed it for free. I did, however, leave my Gamecube on for days to get the secrets in Super Smash Bros: Melee.

"I'm likin the Dungeon Duos" - Bob

[Djaser]

I remember Duke Nukem Manhattem it was made plaform and rated very positive....

Personnaly I think that the old abonded 3D version of Jazz would have solld very well, rember Raymand II, Tombraider, Sonic, and Mario...

[CelL]

Originally posted by defalcon
Unhit, what you just said is the exact reason why a new JJ game SHOULD NOT be 2D - it has a SMALL community; it won't make them money. If it won't make them money, they won't produce it. Quite simple.

Exactly. They don't care that much about us, and if they do, making money will still come first. <strike>Fiendish freaks.</strike>