"GIVE ME THE SOURCE CODE AND I'LL GIVE YOU TEAM BATTLE! ;)" - Disguise

[GoldBones]

Wellllllp Disguise is checking the board and we wanted to post this and we decided that We couldn't wait ta post it so here we are... Disguise says A team battle is possable... the only thing we lack is the Source code........ so I was wondering if any of yehs could help us? pwetty pleeaaaseeee? *puppy eyes* anyway if yehz can icq one of us... or email there in both of our profiles ^-^.....



Thanks again,

-Disguisey Wisey GPW

"Never underestimate the power of creativity"

&

GoldBones[GpW]

[FoD]

Boy, I haven't played Jazz in about 2 months or more.

[GoldBones]

lol I bet we look dumb.....



`GBz

[Disguise]

GpW]GoldBones: yay now we get to forward the url over icq ^-~

[GpW]GoldBones: http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=657&forum=1&0



;P read

[GpW]GoldBones: Spam with a cause! ^-~

Disguise GPW (J2LC): lol, yeah, nice msg http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[GpW]GoldBones: he's what I'm spamming ^-~



Spam with a cause!



http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=657&forum=1&0

http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=657&forum=1&0

http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=657&forum=1&0

http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=657&forum=1&0



Go read already! ^-~



-Disguisey Wisey GPW

&

GoldBones[GpW]

Disguise GPW (J2LC): already read it http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[GpW]GoldBones: reply to it so i dont look like a lone moron ^-~

Disguise GPW (J2LC): you'll regret saying that http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif



*makes GoldBones look like a moron* heheheh, he posted my ICQ stuff so I had the right to post his :P

[Disguise]

By the way, this isn't a joke, I know a programmer who will be more than eager to do this. He's made some mods for quake 1 blah blah blah, but first I have to get him around my little finger (the easy part, I hope).

[FreeLance57]

What they said. http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Monolith]

Heh, good luck :)



Really! If you can pull this off, that would be great.

[Wild Angel]

Weehee, my screen is messin up! Can't see wot i am typin' or wot this says, weird screen.

[Violet CLM]

My screen is like that about 50% of the time. http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[SteelTalon]

Would it be too much to ask for all colored names to revert to normal in all team games? ;P

[Violet CLM]

It would. http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[Newspaz]

Everlasting has a part of the source code. You guys know any C coders? http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Newspaz]

Err I think something went wrong here.. Anyway in my post that now is merged with ST his post was standing:



Everlasting has a part of the source code.. You guys know any C-coders? http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif



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[Fquist_old]

Uh.. I thought JJ2 was made in pascal.

[Fear]

In pascal? o my you have got to be kidding me.



I hope the advanced version???









BASIC ROCKS!

VBASIC ROCKS!

QBASIC ROCKS!

[Aiko]

At least Jazz Jackrabbit 1 was coded in good ole' Pascal (YAY! :-) and some Assembler. I'm not sure about JJ2. Wasn't Pascal afaik. Anyways: Arjan rocks!

[Fquist_old]

He does rock. http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif



*thinks of stealing the jj1 code since he is able to work with pascal*

[$tilettø]

Hey Dont Steal ;P

i Dun have Pascal

[Fquist_old]

Wow.. that he just doesn't have the time to develop commercially un-atractable add-ons like team battle.. :P

[Cesar]

Now this is something I wanted to be done: Many game plays.



So... who owns the Jazz2 source code? Epic Megagames? Project2? Gathers Of Developers?



Project2 is gone, so I hope they don't hold the source code, otherwise, It'll be hard to contact them.

[Wild Angel]

Trying to contact Project 2? Heh, good luck...

[$tilettø]

Maybe jou`l get an Answer Next Year

[Fear]

I Fear that going after project 2 is a long shot, but talking to the programmers of jj2 would be a good idea.



On the other hand, why not crack the security on jazz, there is bound to be a way to get the sources through the file.



And while your at it, go and finish the unfinished enemies, especially the Rocket turtle, I just cant get him to fly laps around you...

[Violet CLM]

My post was destroyed! http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

All I said was that it WOULD be too much to ask for all colored names to revert to normal in team games! Who deleted it?

[Fear]

Newspazzes message got mixed up with it.



*taking over the board!*

[Haze]

Hey, piece of advice if you're planning on taking on the JJ2-source code:



Instead of focussing on implementing new gameplay-modes, focus on implementing some sort of scripting/plugin-support that will allow the user to modify things enabling them to e.g. create new party-modes.

Thus, when someone creates a new party-mode other users only need to download the plugin and install that. If there's an update you'll only need to update the plugin and not the entire main-JJ executable.

Also, keeping one main version of JJ (v1.25? http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) avoids confusing. Imagine everyone creating their own version of JJ2!! AAAAARRRGGGGHH!!



BTW If someone is to tackle on the source-code, update some stuff like the music-/sound-engine while you're at it. Don't y'all hate it when you've picked some music and JJ2 totally scr*ws it up? And how's about fixing some of those notorious B.U.G.'s? http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Fquist_old]

On , Haze wrote a

...long piece of text...





I believe PaG has stated that that would require an complete overhaul of jj2. Anyone who wants to do that? *cough*

[Disguise]

Sheesh, I'm sure he won't like to spend his entire time working on all the little extras all you ask for. Team Battle is prolly the most wanted feature (and a VERY nice one to get the clans going) so I'll take that. Fixing all the bosses and stuff will take time. Oh, Haze, what you mentioned there will take AGES. Why not just cash out the source code instead? There are enough programmers to work with it.



Shadow GPW (boss), if you see this post: Remember that e-mail you gave me? http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif Well, I WANT IT AGAIN! I lost it when I sold my PC to Commander Dats.

[GoldBones]

What email? *wants ta know....*



`GB[gpw]

[Fear]

Fixing the unfinished events would make gameplay more interesting. And making Devan a playable character would be even more of a good thing.



Besides that, there could also be a way to equalize jazz 1.23 and the secret files, something that would take away the cove between the two split parts of the community.



If there are enough programmers, why not let all of them do a small part to all of this and have a forum of some kind to get all the bugs to fix and all the unfinished events.



There could even be a jcs upgrade to make events placable on ALL LAYERS.

[Monolith]

Fear: no new characters could be introduced because there basically is no data for them. You'd need the animations, special moves, sounds, and whatnot.

[$tilettø]

i Heard SomeOne already has a "New jj2"

With Devan Playable

[Fquist_old]

That's probably not true.

[Newspaz]

Haha, that just can't be true.

[Ax Man]

Actually, there is something like that but different...called TEC JJ2, I've seen it be played, to the normal player it appears to be a bunch of random number animations, but in actaulllity to anyone who has it it is a enw charecter lookin kinda like a boar. Many will deny it but it exists.

[Newspaz]

Lol, they probably just messed with the character register settings..

[ShadowGPW]

So long if you can make it backwards compatable then i'm for it =)





Anyways, JJ2 is made with C++ well.. Michiel Ouwehand sayz that... About the source.. Arjan Won't give it because he is affriad to lose money.. (Who wants an old engine anyways..)



Thats all =)

[ShadowGPW]

btw witch email Disguise?



shadow@gpw.gamepoint.net

[Newspaz]

(that email of arjan so he can beg him to send over the code)

[SteelTalon]

JJ2 was made in C++ with some Assembler...

[Tik]

Shadow, oh wise clanleader, get on your digital knees and kiss Arjan's feet for us...you still have contact's with him, right?



-Spaztic[GpW]

[Newspaz]

I thought it was just C :P

[UrbanMenace]

Um... what went wrong with this topic...?

[Fear]

Nothing went wrong, we just all spoke about stuff that changed the subject more and more and in the end, we are not speaking about team battle anymore

[$TÛNT$]

Then y not returning? I really like the idea, that'll Jazz a more teamplaying game.

[EverLasting]

The jazz2 source is written only in C. Nothing else than C. So how do I know this? Bcuz I have the full net part of the jazz2 source code. And I will not give it out since I promised someone I wouldn't.

Cya around!

[~SPLASH~]

hey ppl

why dont we beat everlasting up, so that he/she will give us the codes?!



:P

[GoldBones]

Ever's a dude of his work, sqelsh all chances of getting it from him ;P



`GoldBones

[Newspaz]

Look, Everlasting probably promised Arjan or Michiel so if they don't want to give any out yet. They shouldn't until they are ready for it.. http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[SteelTalon]

Err, it was not programmed in C. The "Party Mode"/Internet part was probably made in C, but the actual game could not have been coded in C because C isn't an object-oriented code.

[Lamer]

One thing's for sure, it wasn't made using just one language. Also, you don't have to beg Arjan or any of the JJ2 programmers for the source code, if it's just the uncommented source code you want, you could get the latter by using a decompiler, if you can find a good one.

[Violet CLM]

Where'd Lamer's post go?

[FreeLance57]

I know the source code. Arjan told me not long after I started playing JJ2 because he wanted me to help build version 1.26 (there is also an unrealised 1.25, if y'all are wondering).



It has Team Battle, a Treasure mode where roasts are possible called Goldrush, and an every man for himself CTF called Stand Alone.



It has Lori, also, and Devan is in there as a playable character until we decided that the rabbits were enough. If you can find Devan's number, you can use him.







Please do not ask me for the code, as I am a sucker and may break and give it out. 1.26 is available for those who personally email Arjan praising him as god.

[Lamer]

[This is a repost, since my original mysteriously disappeared, maybe the work of a bug?]



One thing's for sure, it wasn't made using just one language. Also, you don't have to beg Arjan or any of the JJ2 programmers for the source code, if it's just the uncommented source code you want, you could get the latter by using a decompiler, if you can find a good one.

[Michael]

IF I didn't say so yet then:

Exilent idea! good luck!

[Newspaz]

On , FreeLance57 wrote:

I know the source code. Arjan told me not long after I started playing JJ2 because he wanted me to help build version 1.26 (there is also an unrealised 1.25, if y'all are wondering).



It has Team Battle, a Treasure mode where roasts are possible called Goldrush, and an every man for himself CTF called Stand Alone.



It has Lori, also, and Devan is in there as a playable character until we decided that the rabbits were enough. If you can find Devan's number, you can use him.



Please do not ask me for the code, as I am a sucker and may break and give it out. 1.26 is available for those who personally email Arjan praising him as god.







Some people just don't know when to stop :P

[$tilettø]

Hmmm Does SomeOne Have 1.25 ?

I Heard a long time ago a Guy was making 1.25

But i think he was just Lieing

[Fquist_old]

Arjan told me 1.25 never really got off the ground.

[$tilettø]

So That Means No One Have 1.25?

[Nobara]

Exactly. My guesses are that no one on this planet except Arjan and very few people have 1.25, exspecially 1.26.

[FreeLance57]

me having both.





(lol i am such a liar)

[Newspaz]

More people will have 1.26. That's the MAC version.

[Newspaz]

*puts up hand* I want a pretty old engine who can be fixed up.

[FreeLance57]

did I say 1.26? I meant 1.27! how silly of me!

[Nobara]

Yep

Yep

Yep

[Michael]

I can tell ya how to "make" 1.25 or even 9.42356.423 just open Jazz.exe in a hex editor and whereever it says 1.23 change it to X. As in X=version you want.

Easy as that. But then it will be like "joining" a TSF server with 1.23.

[Fear]

Nitro, that will fix nothing. We were talking about a number of fixes ( team battle in this case ) and hex editing isnt going to get that any time soon.

[Disguise]

Shad, you gave me Arjan's e-mail so that I can beg him for the source code http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif



How can Arjan lose money on JJ2 if he releases the source code? Nobody bothers to buy it anyways.



That's about it.

[ShadowGPW]

I will then.. gimmy a few days

[Fear]

Hmm fact is that a source code takes effort to make... He will prolly want money for it, but however the outdating of the code should be enough to make it 'affordable'

[Lamer]

Fear has a point. I think you would have a better chance of getting it illegally (like by decompiling) than by begging Arjan because it is doubtful that he would be willing to let go of something he poured blood and sweat into.

[Tik]

So, why hasn't someone done that already?

[Nobara]

You really thing Arjan would charge us for a dumb source code? I met Arjan Brusse *er, sp?* in my server before. He seemed like a nice guy, but I have only talked to him once.

The only way you can probably get it out of him is by begging him on your hands and knees and praising him as a god.

[Disguise]

Hmmm, I wouldn't do it illegally.



The last way Arjan could make some cash outta JJ2 is if he could sue all of us who illegally used his code. I nkow it's pretty mean and most of you will knock me on the head for even saying somehting like that, but it is a possibility, and I'm not prepared to take the chance.



I'm willing to pay, but I have a low budget, a VERY low budget, I just hope it wouldn't be too much. The way I know source code, it prolly will.



All we can do is hope, and ask Boss to hurry up! http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

"You really thing Arjan would charge us for a dumb source code? I met Arjan Brusse *er, sp?* in my server before. He seemed like a nice guy, but I have only talked to him once.

The only way you can probably get it out of him is by begging him on your hands and knees and praising him as a god. "



Trust me, that wasn't Argan, it was probably Derby or PiZZa. http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Disguise]

It wasn't Arjan, he would've been in a server with Jeh or Noogy but couldn't because he couldn't join with his proxy. Pretty evil huh? Oh well, that was years ago.

[Wild Angel]

Derby and Pizzie weren't playing JJ2 at that time, it was about...1998

[Michael]

Wildie's 'From:' is nice, I like it http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Look at myne... *Alien growls* (Read Pizie's Monolith Alien topic :P)

[Roaster]

Hey Shadow what does THIS remind you of?



But someone didn't come through with the source. COUGH COUGH.

[Fquist_old]

1.25 hasn't been really started on. The source was promised us before but we did not get it.

[Newspaz]

How about a petition? And after that we'll send all those request serperate by email to Arjan ;)



Bahaha Evilness..

[Wild Angel]

On , Nitro wrote:

Wildie's 'From:' is nice, I like it http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Look at myne... *Alien growls* (Read Pizie's Monolith Alien topic :P)









Thank you. http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Shhh...this way. http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[EverLasting]

SteelTalon, you do know that you don't have to write in an object-oriented programming language to make a game...??

C is a structure programming language and it works more than fine for making a game like Jazz2.

[Fear]

Why dont you just send one request, but send an email MORE every day arjan doesnt give the source code.



After about a month ****go insane and give it...!!!

[Wild Angel]

http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[SteelTalon]

Why, yes I did Everlasting. But it kind of helps in finding out what the source was when you've read about it before. =P



It is in C++/Assembler, that's what all the developers have said they used since the start. I was just pointing out it'd be much easier...

[Newspaz]

I agree with Everlasting, I think it's wrote in C :P

[Fquist_old]

Funner the fun! Coding an entire object-oriented game in a non-object oriented language. :P



(petition won't help I think.)

[Michael]

Np Wildie http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

I'm a pretty open person so I didn't lie about that and how would I prosper anyway?

[Fear]

Im still in for the mailbomb, anyone got an idea how to?

[Roaster]

No, it's written in C++

[Kaz]

lol, Jazz 2 could have been run on ZSNES!

[Derby]

I'm pretty sure it's written in C++, and some of the controls at the time were only supported by the revamped language to avoid complications. They seemed to have jumped the language gap completely to the most flexible language available, which can only be a good thing.



Wild: Actually, I did have and play JJ2 in 1998 (I had a 50 MHZ computer at the time. I would get 7-10 FPS on single player, 3-4 on multiplayer.) I don't remember an Arjan playing JJ2 at the time, though. I only started playing more the next year when I got a new computer. Nevertheless, I only remembered Arjan making a 1.23 patch and nothing else. Jeh was probably the most active on the highest end of the community, which wasn't very active at all after the official release.



"It's hard to draw a sexy rabbit." ~ Arjan Brussee

[Michael]

I got a friend who might be able to help... I'll check back.

[Michael]

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