JJ2 Freeware?

[Phantasma]

Love JJ, played it my whole life (Well, 7 up...but still..)

I was wondering if JJ2 is out for freeware, or if someone would accidently happen to have a copy on their website.

Thanks

[KRSplat]

There is no such thing as JJ2 freeware.

[Xion]

JJ2 is not freeware. It can though <strike>be bootlegged</strike> be bought in Europe.

[Newspaz]

You can download a shareware version over <a href="http://www.dutchfurs.com/~haze/files/pc/shareware/jazz2swf.exe">here</a> though. The credits for that link btw go to Haze, who took the time to upload the 11mb ;).

[Cpp]

Try (ordering the game from an unknown source) for the full version but do it at your own risk.

Derby: Propoganda for an unknown source insertion.

[Violet CLM]

In fact, it's illegal, so don't even try.

Derby: Message notation. This post no longer makes sense. ;-P

[Chiyu]

JJ2 is kinda freeware when you know CraccoBoy ;-P

[KRSplat]

JJ2 is never freeware. If somebody gives it to you for free, then unlike freeware games, you are violating the law and are subject to stuff from Epic.

[White Rabbit]

There is no free JJ2. You'll have to buy it.

[Trafton]

OK, first of all, I have to state some things:

The JJ2 shareware is not full version. It is the equivilant of a demo. Second of all, DO NOT DO WAREZ. No matter how tempting it may be, Warez is wrong and not good. Besides, there are risks involved. Certain individuals will give you working copies of JJ2 for free, but just don't accept them. Buy the game yourself. By doing Warez, you are indirectly killing the game.

Not that I think you would do it. I'm just saying that I strongly recommend against getting JJ2 that way.

[Tubz]

Originally posted by KRSplat
JJ2 is never freeware. If somebody gives it to you for free, then unlike freeware games, you are violating the law and are subject to stuff from Epic.

How would Epic know that you obtained the gae without buying it?

Actually it will eventually be released for freeware, i'm sure of it. All games for the PC become freeware eventually, or majority of them do.

[Newspaz]

Originally posted by JJ Tublear
How would Epic know that you obtained the gae without buying it?

Actually it will eventually be released for freeware, i'm sure of it. All games for the PC become freeware eventually, or majority of them do.

I don't think so. Look at Commander Keen, still not free, look at Jazz1, still not free, look at doom, still not free. The only title I can name which has been released as freeware is OMF

[Unciaa]

Originally posted by Trafton
Buy the game yourself. By doing Warez, you are indirectly killing the game.

Are you speaking generally or specifically here? I fail to see how JJ2 can be killed any more than it already has been. ;)

[Iam Canadian]

For the last (and first :p) time people, Jazz GBA proves the Jazz franchise is STILL ALIVE!

Anyway...

Warez is bad. Don't use it. :p

[Unciaa]

Wait, so JJ2 warez is bad for Jazz GBA?
"Wow, JJ2 is really fun, maybe I should get the GBA version. But NO! Because I know it's fun I will not buy it! Instead, I will err, spend $150 in a linker and cartridge set... To play it... For free... Erm." :p

Old game warez is only hurtful in two ways:
a) it might dillute the owning companie's legal hold on the game rights if left undisputed [iffy this, don't think there have been any cases of this happening. Not that it's stopping companies from preventing thousands of old games from being played and preserved]
b) when it's still sold.

It's still sold in random locations in Europe as far as that goes; its makers went belly-up a bit back didn't they? I'd say JJ2's advertising value for Jazz GBA far outweighs the downsides it might bring [the handheld market is worth twice what the 'normal' console market brings], but of course, that's just my opinion. TheLaw[tm] disagrees. :)

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Unciaa
Wait, so JJ2 warez is bad for Jazz GBA?
No. JJ2 warez has nothing to do with Jazz GBA. However, it is bad for the Jazz franchise. Since Warez downloads are not actual sales, Epic will be less likely to continue the brand. If someone was to buy it, chances would theoretically be somewhat higher.
"Wow, JJ2 is really fun, maybe I should get the GBA version. But NO! Because I know it's fun I will not buy it! Instead, I will err, spend $150 in a linker and cartridge set... To play it... For free... Erm." :p
I'm not sure what you mean, but if you are referencing to emulators, I have to agree. JJGBA warezing hurts the Jazz brand more than JJ2 warezing, since Epic is more interested in sales of recent games than old ones.

Old game warez is only hurtful in two ways:
a) it might dillute the owning companie's legal hold on the game rights if left undisputed (iffy this, don't think there have been any cases of this happening. Not that it's stopping companies from preventing thousands of old games from being played and preserved)
The important thing is that it is illegal. Whether or not you happen to agree or disagree with the law, as a citizen of a country with anti-piracy laws, you must uphold them.

b) when it's still sold.
True. It hurts more when it is still sold.

It's still sold in random locations in Europe as far as that goes; its makers went belly-up a bit back didn't they? I'd say JJ2's advertising value for Jazz GBA far outweighs the downsides it might bring (the handheld market is worth twice what the 'normal' console market brings), but of course, that's just my opinion. TheLaw(tm) disagrees. :)
Some chains, such as Intertoys, occasionally still sell it. Yes, Project 2 went bankrupt, as did G.O.D. (I believe). But Epic has not died, and even bankrupt companies still hold the copyrights. Indeed, with the chances for Jazz 3 so low, I sometimes do wonder if Warez distribution would be good for the game, but I've came to the conclusion that we all want the best for Jazz 2, but should remain within the legal boundries. After all, the legal ramifications of Warez distribution are quite ugly, and it's just the wrong thing to do. That's my two cents, at least.

[Unciaa]

Originally posted by Trafton
The important thing is that it is illegal. Whether or not you happen to agree or disagree with the law, as a citizen of a country with anti-piracy laws, you must uphold them.

Hmm, semi disagree on that point. Laws are not absolute, they are just rules made by unperfect people. In this case, people who have lacking knowledge on the software industry, living in a world ruled by laws based on economies that existed 2000 years ago. Just because something is illegal doesn't make it morally/ethically/economically bad, it just makes it illegal period.

The basis of anti-piracy laws is that it leads to economic damage. But if the product is no longer sold, costs the distributer nothing when it's illegally copied, and/or is copied by people who either couldn't afford it anyway or wouldn't buy it in the first place, they lose nothing. Then it either turns to an argument "it's wrong because the law says so!" or "it's morally wrong". Both of which I disagree with.
Laws in themselves should be based on common sense, not the other way round, whilst morality... Well, that's just a can of worms. If a kid uses a pirated version of a 3d modelling software to gain enough experience to later get a job at a company that in turn does use legal versions of that software, I call it a good thing. I know a few people in the 3d industry, including some who made their own companies in the business, and they all started with pirated copies. Why? Because you cannot make a business out of nothing. They couldn't afford to use legal copies. They did however purchase legal copies once they could afford it- boom. Instant profit for the software company. Profit that would not be there had they not used shady copies to begin with. Just because this isn't possible when it comes to material products in 'the real world' due to those products costing something to make per piece on top of development fees doesn't make it wrong.


The entire software-related law section should be scrapped and written anew by people who know what it is about, right along with such stupidities as code patenting and other ideas that hamper creativity and only bring profit to big companies that can afford decade-long lawsuits that bankrupt their competition regardless of who is right.

[Onag]

Yes, Unciaa, in some cases the illegal copies do generate future sales, but isn't that something the software developer should have the right to allow or disallow? If you don't have enough money to pay for the movie anyway, does that make it okay to sneak in and watch it?

No.

Software is a priviledge, not a right. Someone not being able to pay for something does not make it right for them to steal it. That's what it is. You can downplay it all you want, but it's theaft however you look at it.

When was the last time you heard about someone pirating a game and liking it so much that they went out and bought it when they had the money? Anyone else want to take a guess at that one?

How would you feel if you walked into work on pay day and your employer said, "You know, we really like the work you do, but we just can't afford to pay you right now. Tell you what: just as soon as we have enough money, we'll go ahead and toss a little of it your way. In the mean time, though, we're going to keep you working for us for free." Think about it.

I don't care what it is or what the reason; piracy is just plain wrong.

[Unciaa]

Originally posted by Onag
When was the last time you heard about someone pirating a game and liking it so much that they went out and bought it when they had the money? Anyone else want to take a guess at that one?

Erm. I hear that all the time. I do it, others I know do it. Same thing with MP3s, I know dozens of people who's bought albums because they downloaded and liked that album's songs in MP3 form.

How would you feel if you walked into work on pay day and your employer said, "You know, we really like the work you do, but we just can't afford to pay you right now. Tell you what: just as soon as we have enough money, we'll go ahead and toss a little of it your way. In the mean time, though, we're going to keep you working for us for free." Think about it.

I think the proper analogy would be "we really like this program you wrote a while back and are now selling as a finished product. We cannot afford to pay for it right now, but we'll use it anyway and you'll get all this returned next month." The product is finished and it costs you nothing to distribute; you'd be hard pressed to find an analogy for that when it comes to real life.

Theft-wise, you're mixing morality with economics. Theft laws are there for economic purposes, if noone is hurt by these actions but your own personal pride, this is your own problem, not others`.