Something thats not exactly fair

[Blackraptor]

Ok, some of you may think im a retard after reading this, but there's one thing i dont get. Why is everyone making fun of DDL?

Whenver the name DDL comes up people think of server lasering and all that stuff, but not ALL the members do that. True, some members (not mentioning names) have a really bad attidude andacct plain stupid, but not ALL of them. Its like saying all green-shirt wearing people are (weird) orsomething. I dunno, i just think that people shoudlnt blame the whole clan for a few peopl'es misdoings.....

And for some of you, no, I am not supporting the bad things DDL did, im not askign to join it, im just posting this as a small question, because i dont think its fair to some people like Crono who have totake all that dissing to DDL because of a few immature people. I just think that DDL needs to have more "control" over the actionsof their members.

Oh, and for some of you, DDL doesnt hate jj2, it just has some problems with j20 (???) which id rather not get included in or stuff. Ok, some people in DDL are really evil and immature, but that doesnt mean the clan as a whole is bad.

Well, ive made an idiot of myself, feel free to stab me with a spork.

Derby: Abused context edit.

[Radium]

DDL simply has a leader convinced that J20 is dominating JJ2, and that people can no longer distinguish the difference. They may be right, in a way, but when you think about it it's like a religeon. Some people simply belive in a religion, other people will make it a goal to destroy all those who do not share their beliefs.

[Trafton]

To be honest, DDL is neither a huge threat to JJ2 nor absolutely nothing to worried about. Anyone, armed with any knowledge of computer operation and an intent to do harm, may and probably will do some damage. Still, most of the things that people have attributed to DDL are not at all DDL's. DDL is not responsible for every bad thing that happens. To the contrary, DDL rarely actually does anything. The server crashing was mainly cloning. DDL members are mostly people that for some reason or another find that violence is the only way to solve their problems. This is a shame, since not all of DDL is bad at all. Crono, for instance, is reasonable. However, there are some members who seem to only be in it to do damage. Calling J2O a communist site is ridiculous. A few problems:

1. Communism is the idea of a government where any money the country has the government takes and then redistributes evenly. I can't even find a single connection between J2O and communism.

2. Communist countries are lead by dictators mostly. While it is true that there is no electorial system or anything on J2O, the simple fact is that the Internet as a whole is that way. Get used to it.

3. Hacking is not the way to do it. It seems that DDL has not actually hacked anything major, despite their threats. After all, "The Tuesday That J2O Was To Die" was supposed to happen last August. It still hasn't happened, unless they are hacking J2O really slowly. They aren't really a threat in the big view of things, but anyone can do damage. If they want to say their cause, I would rather they say it than hack (or threaten to do so). It's not the cause I object to as much as the methods.

[Blackraptor]

In other words, they want attention....

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Blackraptor
In other words, they want attention....
Yes, but I enjoy posting lengthy and pointlessly complex messages more.

[MoonBlazE]

We make fun of DDL because they're acting like (nouns). If you won't call them (nouns), then what would you call people that act like that over a game? ;-P

Derby: Wide attack removal.

[Enigma]

Blackraptor, it is unbearable for the human nerves not to laugh when you see how DDL thinks this community is communist and ruled by evil dictators. I used to think DDL was annoying at first, when they kept posting they were going to destroy jj2 and j2o. Now i think they're hilarious. Seriously, i don't make fun of people very often, but this is just too much.

[MaGoo]

I enjoy going in to Jazz servers as DDL Klein or something like that, because it gets me banned. It's quite fun, really. You should all try it.

[dopeh]

Right...

[KRSplat]

Trafton, your post got me thinking. Here are my ideas:

1. There's nothing wrong with Communism

2. What if we made a website where you could elect an administrator? Sure, it's kind of crazy, but it just might work. We just need people who don't like screwing stuff up and people that are reasonable and take us seriously. I don't know how this would work, but I like the idea.

[Radium]

Originally posted by KRSplat
2. What if we made a website where you could elect an administrator? Sure, it's kind of crazy, but it just might work. We just need people who don't like screwing stuff up and people that are reasonable and take us seriously. I don't know how this would work, but I like the idea.
Yea! We could elect mods and admins! <s>Mike would be gone in no time!</s>

[Blackraptor]

<s> Yes enigma, which would mean Fquist is really Dubya</s>


Anyways, i dont hate them because everyone else does, just the way some of them act. If they would stop dissing us etc, then they would be treated normally.

[Enigma]

Ah, but there's the problem. Will they stop doing that? DDL was founded as a clan against j2o. It's their essence.

[Tik]

DDL is nothing to be taken seriously, really. They are just little kids who want attention. Are they nuicenses (bad sp)? Of course. They were founded specifically to 'destroy' j2o or Jazz2 or whatever. No one really worries about them, they're just annoying. They've been especially annoying to me since the little morons think that SpiffyJuice is part of j2o or Jazz2 in general. They are really no harm.

However, I do agree that the jokes should stop. They are pathetic, albiet, but if we stopped paying attention to them then they will get bored and stop.

[MoonBlazE]

They must absolutely get as much attion as possible, because I can't wait to they grow up and just figure out what they have done.

[Stijn]

If you're nice then you shouldn't join a clan with opinions like "Fight for a free world of JJ2 by destroying the POWERHUNGRY IDIOTS, even if we should sacrifice ourselves!". period.

[VelKa]

Originally posted by Spaztic
They've been especially annoying to me since the little morons think that SpiffyJuice is part of j2o or Jazz2 in general.
Yeah. Isn't that just...stupid... ;-P

DDL &lt; [STUP]

Btw, I don't really think that DDL is "Clan Talk". It's just a group of whiners who think that select members of J2O--which isn't a clan--DM, and GpW are trying to take over JJ2. They, in my honest opinion, are so (broccoli-obessed) that they would lose to J2LC in a clanwar.

I don't really care much about the government of JJ2. If I don't like the people who moderate it, I will simply go play UT2k3, instead of being a (potato) and complaining. It's a lot easier if I go away instead of "hax0ring" people and being an idiot.



~Velkasha DM

[FQuist]

You argue that the entire clan should not be judged because of actions of individuals. However, these individuals are members of the clan, and no action is taken to remove their membership for the clan. That must mean all the clan people support the actions, which makes them all guilty.

Furthermore, 'democracy' on this site just isn't possible because of two reasons: someone has to pay for the site and people have to create the site and build on it. An example is J2O v2. Do you expect us to work and pay for people like DDL Klein or something? ;-)

Sites are owned by people. It's a strange thing then to let others lead the site without your consent. Furthermore, if people don't like the site they can start their own and be their own leaders. It's the same except that you don't make people work or pay for someone else.

[Blackraptor]

I would agree as well, Fquist and some other admins pay for this site, the least we could do is show some gratitude to them, instead of haxoring the site and making threats and rude comments etc.
Besides, its Quist's site, and its his responibility, he could do whatever he wants with it, including shuting it down. If you want a democratic site, then why dont you people go ahead and make one then.
Oh and guys, dont turn this into a flamewar by dissing DDL repeatably, we all get the point.

[Chiyu]

Well, at least DDL's site is good. It should an option to upload levels/tilesets, then it would be the best JJ2 related site around.

[Blackraptor]

*cough* J2O *cough*

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by CraccoBoyCC
Well, at least DDL's site is good. It should an option to upload levels/tilesets, then it would be the best JJ2 related site around. Haze's Hideout is ten times more Jazz releated than that, and DDL is really unpopulair for their actions, so nobody would really register for serious use.

Also, I'd like to ask you to stop favorite DDL, nobody here likes you for it, just stop it.

[Blackraptor]

Err...Moonblaze, i never said I favoured DDL, im just saying that not all people in it are bad...

[MoonBlazE]

Originally posted by Blackraptor
Err...Moonblaze, i never said I favoured DDL, im just saying that not all people in it are bad... I was reffering to CraccoBoy.

[Chiyu]

(PA)

Derby: Severe personal attack removal. This is absolutely intolerable, and you have received your final warning. Consequences will be brought up.

[MoonBlazE]

This is so hilarious. Please flame me more. :D

[Ninja]

Can someone give me the URL plz thx =))

[Chiyu]

I believe it's www.timeciruits.ddl.com


EDIT:
Oh, no, mistake. It's http://ddl.timecircuits.net/

[Tik]

Originally posted by Excabus on the DDL MessageBoard
Well I think they are communists cause whenever they see a memeber of ))_ post at JCF they delete the topic or just plain ignore as if we were some lower form of human beings, second of all they gave us no respect just because we were accused of doing bad htings, third of all is that they act like jerks and boss everyone around, that's why I think SOME of the admins are communistic. Have a nice day I'm (not) sorry, but I find this amusing....but only because they call the admins "Communists".

Communism: "A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which <b>all goods are equally shared by the people.</b> "

That means that although there is a single authoritative 'dictator' individual or small elitist group, their purposes are towards equality between all people. So their clames that the admins are communists <b>and</b> are biased against certain people doesn't make any sense.

[Chiyu]

I agree. I don't think they know what communism means. Now if they used dictatorship, monarchy or maybe even republic, theocraty or capitalism it would have made more sense.

[Blackraptor]

@Moonblaze: sorry, it sounded as if meant for me
@Craccoboy: Please dont flame mb and turn this into a flaming thread, the message board really doesnt need another one of those.

Technically, the admins dont boss you around, the word for what they are doing is being strict. Being bossy is something like this:

OMG THIS IS MY MESSAGE BOARD, SO IF YOU JOIN, YOU MUST WORSHIP ME AND HAVE AT LEAST 3 VOVELS IN YOUR NAME. Also, IF YOU DO ANYTHING THAT IN ANY WAY OFFENDS ME I WILL BAN YOU AND MAKE YOU FEEL MISERABLE. FURTHERMORe, YOU ARENT ALOUD TO EXPRESS OPINIONS, MY OPINION IS ALWAYS THE RIGHT ONE!

Thats a better definition for bossy.

[Derby]

Any flaming beyond this point will result in a warning, as well as the post being removed (further advancing the fruitlessness of posting such content in the first place). Be cautious as to what you post.

[Trafton]

DDL seems to me to have inflated what is a case-by-case base for attacking into being a huge conspiracy against them. It really isn't. If you look around, no one is out to get anyone. And, if you really think about it, their ideals are closer to communism (not necessarily a bad thing). At least on J2O community input is accepted. That's more than I can say for many other communities.

[Blackraptor]

The reasons DDL may hate us may vary. They might think that the admins are to strict, (no swearing, innapropriate things etc), and without thinking over it carefully, they agreed that admins are communists. Or they may have had some past experiences with the site that has made them vengeful and they seek out revenge on those who they may think are part of the problem. Anyways, the main reason i brought this topic up because ive seen many unfair stereotypes on DDL, more on them than any other clan.

Oh, and not all DDL members are banned from this site btw.
Crono hasnt done anything (at least nothing i know of on this messageboard) and is still active sometimes.


<There better be no personal attacks in this, the last thing i need is a warning>

[Chiyu]

Crono is indeed a very friendly person.

[Blackraptor]

Yes, but why is Craccoboy banned...I know he abused the rules many times, but what did he do to get banned? Im curious, and im going to go investigate so i can make attempts to sue anyone involved. Cya All;)


Back on Topic: It be better if a DDL member would see this, then he/she can post their own argument.

[ßúññ¥€lmérTbtCC]

I think its very unfair Cracco Boy got banned.

[dopeh]

BE, rule breakers must be punished. He has been warned quite a lot lately as I've been told, and it's his own fault. Maybe he should try changing his behaviour. You can't keep giving people warnings. Won't help much then eh? btw, it's only temporary.
Anyway, off-topic.

[Blackraptor]

Ok, this isnt a thread about cb being banned, back on topic ppl.

[<Crono>]

Originally posted by Blackraptor
Back on Topic: It be better if a DDL member would see this, then he/she can post their own argument.
Your wish is my command :P The "communism" thing was a joke, it sounded better than calling j2o a dictatorship or a totalitariansm or somthing cause back quite a few years ago (before I was born) with the soviate union and such people were all scared about communism and saying people were communists in order to get the fired and stuff. And then theres all the wars the US went to to prevent communism. Our (The US's) current stance on "terrorism" kind of remeinded me of it, so I called u guys communists once or twice and it stuck :P

Also the idiotic memebers, Kdian and Piccolo are kicked out of DDL. (due to their soiling of our reputation)

[Stijn]

w00t

<s>I claim page</s>

[Blackraptor]

Its good to hear that Crono, and I hope that in the future DDL will be like any other clan. Keep up the good work:)