New Jazz2 mIRC chat channel

[Tubz]

First, of all the reason for this topic is to announce that me and Psyclone have made our own chat room. Basically it happened after I got banned for stupid reasons. And he got banned, I don't know why, he said he forgot to read the reason why. Anyway, I have had problems in the past with #jj2, especially I was getting sick of their so called diety banning, kicking, and muting me.

Also other people in the past were annoying. And basically the ops abuse their power, anyway here's the deal. I haven't talked to him yet about this, but we need more people to op the server during the times of the day we aren't available. Basically people in the mountain and pacific timezone would be greatly helpful.

I had already told him we needed more people. So I and him are hiring new ops to help us with JJ2. Now we might or might not hire you, it's not guaranteed. Anyway if you want to become an op at our new channel which we don't want to reveal at the moment. Then either: post in this topic, pm me, email me, or contact me via AIM or MSN.

AIM name: TimeMaster6008
MSN Messenger: timemaster34@wmconnect OR JJ Tublear

[Trafton]

There is really no point in having two #jj2-type channels. It has been tried before, and with very little success. There is only really one other active JJ2 channel, #jcstalk, but that is about something unrelated to what #jj2 is about. The only things that connect #jj2 with the game itself are the name and some of the people in it. The channel would be loosely based on a channel loosely based on the game it is named after.

But, hey, folks, this is real imitation imitation real imitation we're talking about here!

[Tubz]

Hmm, ya think so. Well, it will be good if its small, less chance of chaos. And we'll see how it goes along. If people really want to go for inapproprate stuff they might as well go to #jj2. While we are stll deciding on the rules. We probably will allow cursing.

[Trafton]

Originally posted by JJ Tublear
Hmm, ya think so. Well, it will be good if its small, less chance of chaos. And we'll see how it goes along. If people really want to go for inapproprate stuff they might as well go to #jj2. While we are stll deciding on the rules. We probably will allow cursing.
It's a good idea in theory (more or less), but there are a few problems that spring to mind. First of all, most people come to #jj2 for entertainment. And any channel is mostly for entertainment. When people get op powers, it is rare that they exclusively use them well, because in a chatting channel, there is less time to think about consequences to actions. And there is always some degree of power abuse in every channel.

The main problem with such a concept is that #jj2 is already "the" established chat room for JJ2 players looking for a break from actual play. There will be no reason for players to depart to this other channel, as it offers little more than a different place for miscellaneous chat. When the topic is no topic, people go where the most people are. That is how it goes, and how it will always go.

You want to know the top-secret place where there are tons of on-topic discussions about the game? The game itself. Surprise.

[Link]

I believe Internet Relay Chat was around long before the client mIRC.

[ShadowGPW]

1 thing is for sure, i'm not going to change the server or the channel =)

and IRC was made originally back in the 80's.

but mIRC was the first grapichal client

[Ninja]

Ehm, no. #jj2 pwns. Would you be offended if I said it was Jesus? I know it's not, but...would you be? =b

[Tubz]

No i'd just say it's stupid thinking. Already 4 people are out of this qualification for becoming an op. Can't list the names here, might be an attack.

[MaGoo]

Hah.. paranoid, aren't we?

[$tilettø]

When its up il join in, but i can tell you not much people will join and actualy stay in there...

(you might as well register the channel /bot to avoid takeovers)

#jj2 isnt that bad TUB sometimes you get random kicked some people more than others get over it and move on.. this wont realy help

[Tubz]

Anything you post here can be considered an attack, I won't try. Now let's see where can I get a mIRC bot?

[Tik]

What an incredible idea! Awesome! I'll be sure to help out with this!

[Ninja]

I reconsidered, this is a great idea, like Spaztic said. I would like to be an op very much. And Tub, I'm sorry about a few days ago. mcatis omg very much. >=( he is liek he's years old!!!1

please consider me for op and give me what channel address wil be please! ;(

~Mr.Good grammar to Bad grammar as he posts.
Meaning to, of course.

And mcatis! and i! and slayos! grrrr! :-#
and fquist is a evil dictator who dictates!!! aghhh! >=( we must kill these communists lets make a clan and call it CK Communist killers it will be great ;D

Derby: Personal attack removal/Sense drain.

[$tilettø]

Wow i agree with you Ninja Slayo and mcatis are stupid they think they own #jj2 they kick and laugh behind your back and when u do that to them they kick u no reason =((

i want to be a OP please i can also make a bot !!

i meen no offense to them so no ban me ok ?? power eating monkeys

[Tubz]

Ninja hmm, I don't know. And Slayo+mcatis are not going to be ops. Stilleto, perhaps, i'll talk to Psyclone.

[Ninja]

meen derby made it of look liek i said i wan`ted them to be ops! i was bashing them!! :-#

[Unhit]

#jj2 is the meeting point for the people from the community, #jcstalk the place to talk about JJ2 ;).

[ShadowGPW]

if there is any abuse just give me logs or Veggieman/Electropizza

[Momento Mori]

Me is confoosed.

[The SlaYeR]

There's no abuse Shadow. We only ban those who deserve to be banned.

And they insulted Autovoice.

[Black Ninja]

yes, good. a new channel would own

#jj2 bites big wind.


if you need anyone to help out, here i am.

[Black Ninja]

I WANT TO BE AN OP
if you didnt understand previous post ;p

[Chiyu]

Once I get trillian or mIRC I'll go to that JJ2 related IRC channel as well. :) But only if it's active enough, I wouldn't want to be the only one there. A fair and nice place to chat about JJ2 would be fantastic. Keep up the good work Tublear!

[Lama]

I don't think you'll cause any harm if you make a new channel. However, I don't know if many people would go to your channel.

These are sincere\honest questions:

1. Will CrazyDiscoJesus get banned from that channel?

2. Will copying and pasting stuff to deliberately annoy result in banning? i.e. if you do:

19:32 Trafton: I am on my way.
19:34 Tublear: 19:32 Trafton: I am only g</b>ay.

If answers are provided, I will look into the channel but #spiffyjuice and #jj2 will still be my main stay.

I am <b>dead</b> serious here, even if this post might look funny.

[ShadowGPW]

Originally posted by SlaYo
There's no abuse Shadow. We only ban those who deserve to be banned.

And they insulted Autovoice.

ill insult autovoice aswell so what its a bot

[$tilettø]

lol yeah.. abuse abuse... Psyclone got kicked because he talked behind SlaYo`s back? but after hes gone they talk behind his back that makes sence huh....

JJT and stuff got kicked alot yesterday sometimes for no good reason at all i call that abuse but i dont care it isnt realy serious or whatever worth an discussion

[MoonBlazE]

If you take stuff (as kick/bans) from #jj2 serious, then I see your problem. Overwise, if you don't want to be messed up into too much into jj2, just shut up there. Yelling up and playing smart in there makes you gain a kick.

*Also*, who havn't got a kick from #jj2?

[Tubz]

To answer your questions Lama:

1. CrazyDiscoJesus is Trafton and for having a dumb name, will be banned.
2. No

And now on to more issues, thanks for supporting me Cracco. And BlackNinja you can become an op see me today at 2-5 PM usa eastern.

Oh and about the power abuse. I do take kicks and mutes seriously. I find it annoying and dumb. And I will still continue on with this chat room. For there will no power abuse or dumb kick/ban/mutes.

[ElectroPiZZa]

I'd like to step in here and spread lies and filth to everyone reading this topic, since that is my profession. I'd also like to sincerely direct this post to everyone who is unsure of #jj2 and its 'power abuse', among other things. Being that I am a part of the people who "run" #jj2, it seems only mandatory to post a reply here.

First of all, it is fairly easy to understand how one might get upset by being kicked a number of times. I realize that it must be annoying. Although I haven't witnessed these events often, I would assume a major portion of the reasoning behind these kicks is because, on the kickee's part, there was simply a failure to comply to the rules after the first kick was placed. We do not ban people for absolutely no reason (except imaginary hostnames, but that's another story) and there will never be a time we will decide to. Like I said before, though, I have not witnessed whatever event this "new channel" business has spawned from (I'll get to the new channel part later), and unless there really was excessive abuse of power, the statements above still apply.

Admittedly, there <i>is</i> a relatively small amount of power abuse in #jj2. I've done some, myself. The reason behind this is because there are a small number of rules set up for #jj2; most irrelevant and meaningless. Therefore, there can only be a small amount of violations and an equally small amount of lenient kicks/bans. Abuse of power generally comes from a mixture of boredom and random spurs of events. Most abuse of power is usually done in good taste, and do not harm the channel generally. Relative to boredom and the random spurs of events, though, there is still reasoning behind multiple kicks of particular users. I, myself, don't really like to abuse power; but I do not speak for the entire channel here, and other people operating #jj2 simply abuse their power, as mentioned many times before.

Now, on the subject of this new channel, I'm not against it in anyway; just do not expect me to be visiting it. I'm not here to bash other channels and whatnot; I respect other channels and the purposes they have, regardless of whether I visit it or not. But still, and saying this out of sheer honesty; I don't really like the idea of a "#jj2 replacement".

Now, why is this? Simply because it will not work. #jj2 is the primary channel where JJ2 community members come to talk about whatever the bloody spoon they want. In this case, you are creating another channel with a similar name where you and some other people come only because you dislike #jj2. Okay.

Now what?

You see, people are currently dedicated to #jj2 and other spin-off channels suited for other purposes. #jj2 has its own, unique purpose. The new channel's purpose is very unclear and seems to be only created out of pure conflict and uselessness. I'm not saying your channel will fail; I'm merely stating that it doesn't seem to exactly be the best idea.

In any case, I wish you luck, regardless.

[Stijn]

<s>#[TF]</s>

What will be the channel's name?

[$tilettø]

lala If there will be good Jazz2 Related Discussions it might work out fine since the Discussions in #jj2 almost never goes about JJ2

[Unhit]

I agree to Flash's post ;P.

[Enigma]

Explain to me how you can agree with a question ;)

As for the question itself: Tublear said he wanted to keep the channel name secret until he had enough ops and until the channel got registered to prevent possible takeovers. I'll continue by throwing in a question myself: how long is this going to take?

[$tilettø]

Uh Until he gets a bot or register the channel but i dont think that JJT knows how to do that =(.

but some people already knew about the channel name....

[Trafton]

I would rather see the current channel improved. I don't want to have two JJ2 channels; that would hurt the original and would not do wonders for the new one. People would go to one or the other, and quickly both would become much less active. Besides, it is doubtful anyone will move, especially considering you do not have very much experience with owning a channel (no offense intended at all. It's just that owning a major channel requires quite a bit of mIRC experience.)

[Fawriel]

I personally don't care about power abuse, rather about power uselessness.....=\

I simply don't come to #jj2 very often because there are some really unfriendly persons around that channel...=/
Okay, sure, "don't take that seriously, Faw" and bla, but I DO take things like insults very seriously. That's just me.

I'd appreaciate it if the ops would do some more against (Derby-yumyum) like that.
Even if I sound like a wimp or whatever now! XP

[Tubz]

For all of the people who applied for the op position. I'll need all of you to private message me your contacts. AIM, MSN, Yahoo, & email.

[Lama]

Thank your for answering my questions, JJT. :) I will look into the channel.

[Tik]

I agree with Piz here, hands down.

Tublear, it sounds to me like you are just making this channel for spite, but are masking it by saying it will just be a better environment. I admit #jj2 can sometimes be a difficult place to get used to, and you may feel shunned or feel like you are being discriminated against for no good reason save the fun of the operators. However most people do not have a problem with the channel, though sometimes I wouldn't be suprised if newer visitors to the channel felt sort of out of the loop or ignored simply because they aren't used to the channel.

People complain that discussions in #jj2 about Jazz2 are rare, however I'd like to say that #jj2 is not a channel directly dedicated to the actual game of Jazz2, but to the community that revolves around Jazz2. Look at the JCF - half of everything is in Misc. You can't just talk about Jazz2 constantly, there is going to be normal everyday discussion about whatever happens to come up. There ARE discussions about Jazz2, there are duels and games set up, you can see the current GIP, and you can talk to people in this community real time.

Of course there is power abuse, but it is all in fun. Admittedly, sometimes ops kick people just because they are generally annoying. Is that fair? No, but you should know when you first come in that there is a bias. So if you don't like it, creating a new channel for spite is pointless...if you can't adjust yourself to the mood and environment of #jj2, learn to. I think you will learn that most of the people there are very friendly, but when it comes to new visitors we like to have a little fun. We may kick for no reason sometimes, but kicking is really just a pointless poke in the side if you turn on Auto-Rejoin. And if we ban you for a while, it is for a good reason. No bans are permanent, either, unless you commit a serious offense.

Moreover, blah blah blah, and frog.

[Tubz]

Hmm, yes indeed the point of the new chat room has now changed no longer is it for revenge. But for another place the commnity can come and talk. Still there will be no bias, and you guys need to stop. It's dumb, immature, and rediculous. If you are really as Shadow said given the power to be an op, and were trained to. Then prove it. And use your power right.

At this rate, everyone who learned martial arts. Would use it for for real on people.

[Trafton]

I would like to see less power abuse, regardless of whether this channel works or not. And a lot less. No more bans for insulting AutoVoice. The AutoVoice thing is fun and all, but it's not needed to ban people for it.

[Tubz]

I will probably make most banned person of the month. Lol, was I really asking for my last ban. Na, Disguise can't take a joke.

[EvilMike]

People who get annoyed from being kicked are the ones who don't realize you can set mIRC up to auto-rejoin channels.

[Tik]

JJT, today you were crossing over lines and being a general annoyance. Your ban will be removed sooner or later, but you have to understand the limits and joke within them, and don't annoy the ops.

[Lama]

EDIT: Removed secret channel's name

[Ninja]

Insulting Autovoice is an unforgivable crime, and you should be glad if your just banned for a few days for insulting him.

[$tilettø]

lol kid its just a bot not a person

Well that is completely unfair. I mean, you can annoy us by repeatidly kicking us, but we can't annoy you
Yeah you got a point there, i dont mind it but its true

EDIT: Removed secret channel's name
Hehe :P Secret? everyone seems to know about it =/

[Ninja]

Bots do have feelings, you know, Stilleto.

[Tubz]

Oh it has a feeling huh. Everyone knows that Autovoice is none other than mcatis. But if they didn't know, now they do. Bots are foos they are their to help the op out. For I am getting one, and it will own.

[Fawriel]

I'll repeat my point since nobody seems to listen to me.
Originally posted by Piccolo
I personally don't care about power abuse, rather about power uselessness.....=\

I simply don't come to #jj2 very often because there are some really unfriendly persons around that channel...=/
Okay, sure, "don't take that seriously, Faw" and bla, but I DO take things like insults very seriously. That's just me.

I'd appreaciate it if the ops would do some more against (Derby-yumyum) like that.
Even if I sound like a wimp or whatever now! XP

[Tubz]

Pic, and that's your opinion. For the people who actually do care about the power abuse my channel is open. It is practically the same thing as #jj2. With a few tweaked rules, the bot for the room is not God, and no one has to worship him. I don't care if you insult him either. Just don't insult other people in the room.

[Lama]

No one is going to play God? That's a relief. :)

Stylo, even if everyone knows, I still don't have the right to post its name here; Only you or JJT can.

[Ninja]

#Jazz2World

At the moment, Stilleto owns it.
reg;)

[Tik]

Originally posted by URJazz
Well that is completely unfair. I mean, you can annoy us by repeatidly kicking us, but we can't annoy you. Usually the reasons people are kicked are because they are annoying other people in the channel, including the ops. It's like a circle. You annoy the ops, the ops kick you, and you claim that all the ops are doing is trying to annoy you by kicking. We don't just kick for no good reason. People who are kicked are being pains, or we are just having fun with a new person.

OPs should be treated with the smae respect as anyone else, and not as a higher person. But they are at a higher level than you. If an op is doing something very wrong, he will get deopped. Ops are ops because they are held up to a standard, and they meet that standard.

I've looked onto #jj2, and many OPs don't seem like they deserve to be OPs, and I don't usually complain, but sometimes it just gets to a point where it's just not right. I can understand 'a little fun', but #jj2 isn't just a little fun, every time I'm in there someone is getting kicked for no good reason, just for 'a little fun'. A agree that there are too many ops right now, but that isn't my decision to make. And you must be coming in at the wrong times, because usually there isn't any trouble. And if there is, then there is a reason for it.

So I think that we either need to: A) Clean up the act on #jj2, remove some OPs, and add some B) Create this new channel and hope that it prospers
I would rather have A because it's more practical, but by the looks of things that won't be happening. So I think we should move on to choice B, which JJT seems to be doing, and so I am happy. While I don't care if he creates a new channel, I think this entire idea is worthless. I don't plan on visiting this channel much at all, and over the year and a half that I've been at #jj2 I have never been annoyed enough to go to a new channel. Granted, sometimes there are problems, but they are eventually worked out. If you are kicked repeatedly from a channel, there IS a reason for it. You may be kicked a couple times for no reason, but we do have limits.

[EvilMike]

You say us ops are not kicked for no reason, but I can give you a list of times when various people did so to me ;P