Science Fair

[Violet CLM]

Ok, URJazz and I are having a science fair. You have to come up with some new JJ2 trick that isn't already publically known (you know... like wallclimbing, only new). In essence, it's that simple.


Guidelines for entries:

You can submit pretty much anything, really, though obviously unrelated stuff won't win. Quirks are ok, so you can submit something showing how turtle shells bounce off moths, but we prefer for your project to have a use.
Try to make your gadget compact. Size will sometimes be an issue, so if it takes up 20x16 tiles, it won't be incredibly practical.
Include both a text file explaining what your project is, how it works, and what it does, and an example level showing it in action. The example level does not have to have good eyecandy, as long as it works.
For the example level, use Top Secret 3, unless you need a masking (such as a hook at just the right height) not in it. In that case, use some tileset it will work with, and include it in the .zip file. DO NOT INCLUDE MUSIC.
No adult or illegal files.
The judges' decision are final. We do not take threats, bribes, or insults.


Send entries (only one per person, teams allowed) to either Violet (VioletCLM@hotmail.com) or Jazz (relling_07@hotmail.com) , with the subject "JJ2: Science Fair".
An example entry can be downloaded by clicking on this (ftp://ftp.tachyonlabs.com/pub/users/ttachyon/sam/Global Trigger Zone.zip) link. (Global Trigger Zone)


The winner will recieve their choice of JJ1 tileset converted (by me), with their rabbit in it. They can also beta test it. Also they get the pride of having won.
The runner up (if any) will also be able to beta test it if they wish. And the pride of having almost won.
All entries must be submitted before the 11th of June (one month).




Questions? Concerns? Witty remarks? Post them here, and we'll do our best to <strike>ignore</strike> answer them.

[n0]

Sounds Like fun! Can I submit more than one entry?

`N0

[Violet CLM]

No. If you somehow discover two undiscovered and useful things, we still don't let you submit them both. Choose one.

[n0]

Ok. I submited "Project Hog."
I think it turned out nicely.

`N0

[Mello]

I dont have ANY idea. *Light buld turns on* aha ...press 3! (iam sure everybody knows that). hmmmmm press shift 3 times! (wait.....thats already done) hmmmm... elevator...taken.....can i show a bug in the game?

[Blackraptor]

OMG OMG CONVERSION! MUST WIN!

[Lark]

I started this conversation in Violet's hotel server last night, when we all discovered that you could bounce turtle shells off of moths... maybe I'll use that kind of thing.

[MaGoo]

Does the science project have to be in JCS? I've got a few things JJ2 related that nobody knows, hopefully.

[Lark]

I said that kind of thing. Besides, I have something in mind, but it will require help from somebody else.

[Violet CLM]

I suppose not, Magoo. For example, if you have refined the process of drifting to a point where it is regularly possible and moderately useful, you are free to submit that.

[EvilMike]

May I use one of the many tecniques which I have come up with, which despite the fact that they ARE known to some, are otherwise relatively unknown?

Or do I have to spend my time comming up with some new thing?

[Lark]

I think that'd be okay. Anyway, I was gonna do a project on how your framerate differs due to the effects of weapons and other effects, but my computer is so fast it's all most all ways a constant 60 FPS. The lowest I've ever gotten is 51, when I made a really advanced paralaxing background with high colors, put on the god mode effects, flew around fast in a 512x256 level, and shot the toaster with fast fire on. That should do the trick, huh? :-p

[Violet CLM]

Coming up with something new would be best.

[Lark]

I'm posting this just to keep this topic at the top of the list so people don't miss it.

[mikeejimbo]

Originally posted by LAb RaT kiD
I said that kind of thing. Besides, I have something in mind, but it will require help from somebody else.

What kind of help? I don't have any ideas,

[Lark]

I needed somebody to make a server, and you can't :( I was gonna see what weapons cause the most lag.

[mikeejimbo]

I believe that that's the toaster.

[blurredd]

I dream of contests like this one. But should I participate? Hmmm... And what should I make? And how evil should I make it?

[mikeejimbo]

Originally posted by BlurredD
And how evil should I make it?

Very evil I'd say. The more the better.

[n0]

You guys did get my entry, right? Or do I need to re-send it?

`N0

[Violet CLM]

Yes, we recieved your entry. However, as far as I know, yours was the only entry we have recieved.

[Trafton]

I really would enter something, but it is difficult to think of something new and creative under a deadline. I, personally, get my best ideas (not that they are very good, but still my best) when I am not even remotely trying to think of them.

That and the fact that I am not creative or talented, too.

~ Traft

[Tik]

Lots of people are the same way as Trafton, but I guess the rules have already been set and the deadline as well...

Why hasn't this been announced on J2O?

[Violet CLM]

Update: Two entries now!


Wait until June 5th or so, Jazz. If there aren't any more then, the deadline might be extended, but it's a bit early as of yet.

[Xion]

Submitted "Science Project: Clipping" to Violet. It's kinda known, but not very widely known. :)

[Violet CLM]

Ok, there are currently four entries. No official decision has been made on which is the best. However, four is not the largest number, so the deadline has been extended to June 18th. Get those creative processes running.

[Rage]

I know a way to make a turtleshell go up the wall. But it's not useful.

[Violet CLM]

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Jazz shoots Shell into the Blinking block, which closes on the Shell. Suddenly, the Shell is on top of the Wall. Whee.

[Rage]

Or, just put an acc belt left at max speed against the wall. The wall will try to go up several times getting higher each try.

[Violet CLM]

The Science Fair is over, and here we have some results! In no paticular order. If you want more information about how anything here works, ask the author.


"Clipping Project" by Xion:
This charming little thing demonstrates that if you run with bouncy, it will go through walls. Not only that, but once it goes through walls, it can destroy things.
NOT A WINNER.

"Infinity Glitch" by GenEX:
This is more interesting. It shows that if your layer 4 is small enough, and has no tiles in it, you can set a "Tile Width" or "Tile Height" without getting an access violation. In addition, it places lots of random events all over the level.
NOT A WINNER.

"Jazz vs. Spaz" by Firesword and CelL:
I don't know how much about this level should be publically revealed, but I will say basically what it seems to be showing is that if you stomp a morph, you will change character.
NOT A WINNER.

"Hugela's Science fair" by... Hugela:
Hugela does not seem to understand the meaning of "one entry". The submitted level is filled with different things, ranging from dieing on a CTF base to a flying horizontal spring. However, none of the new stuff is paticularly useful, and Hugela didn't seem to follow the rules, so this is
NOT A WINNER.

"Siencfair-Pyromanus" by Pyromanus:
Pyro also submitted more then one thing, but we decided the first one doesn't count, as it basically shows what an event does. As for the rest, he has submitted a way to create enemies in multiplayer.
Sound good? Sadly, they behave like SCEs: They give you an error in anything other then Treasure Hunt, where they do no more then bullets. Admittedly this could make for an interesting treasure hunt, where, say, you try to get to the exit with the required number of gems, but still, it's a bit annoying, and Pyro didn't seem to mention the errors.
NOT A WINNER.

"Project Hog" by N0B0DY:
"Hog" is actually "Fog". Using a combination of lighting effects, this shows how to put your level in a fog, or only a select part of it. This is a nice eyecandy effect, and in the long example level, you can see many uses for it. Very nice for forest levels and stuff.
RUNNER UP.

"The Triggerless Jail 2 Concept" by BlurredD:
Basically, BlurredD shows how to create the Jail2 concept (used in Team Battle, Jailbreak, and various other things) without using triggers. It can also be used for other various things we won't tell you about. It was a hard decision between this and Project Hog, but this has been selected as
THE WINNER. Choose a planet.


Thank you all for taking part. If we forgot about you, oops.

[Blackraptor]

Good job everyone. I couldn't enter since I couldn't come up with anything new, but Yay for BlurredD! <s> Choose turtemple!</s>

[Radium]

<s>All lies! Choose Dreempipes!</s>

[Blackraptor]

Violet already did Dreempipes foo.

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by Radium
<s>All lies! Choose Dreempipes!</s>

Well, Radium, just not for you, I made this some time ago.
Dreempipes (http://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/moreinfo.php?levelid=2190)

[Newspaz]

Where can we get these levels? I'm interested in nobody's level.

[Violet CLM]

As far as I know, we do not have permission to publically distribute any of these levels. Go ask the authors.

[Stijn]

Hey, authors! Would you be so kind to publish your levels?

[Teej a.k.a T-Dj]

Yeah. That would be cool, and it might help level designers... :D

[Pyromanus]

Hey
I'm quite sad my entry was not good enough but i can understand why it wasn't good enough it indeed gives errors when the host get's killed by the enemies.
I didn't know that the event i gave was known.
It's one event that turns the whole level in a not perfect no-fire zone at some moments you can see bullets flying. but they don't hurt you don't lose hearts being hit by the bullets

Well i uploaded the entries to my local webspace

My Entry (http://users.pandora.be/pyromanus/Siencfair-Pyromanus.zip)

[Fawriel]

N0b0dy! You hand over that level RIGHT NOW!
Or I..




I...





I won't breathe til you do. *pouts*

[Xion]

*sigh* All the useful stuff is thrown out while the useless CTF crap wins. :(

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Xion
*sigh* All the useful stuff is thrown out while the useless CTF crap wins. :( If you meant your own, even I knew that one. ;P

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Xion
*sigh* All the useful stuff is thrown out while the useless CTF (stuff) wins. :(
Useless? That is actually really cool. And the thing about going through walls...has been done before. ;-P

I would really love to see N0B0DY's level. He must upload it. Unless, that is, it is simply the transparant level thing, in which case that is already commonly known.

~ Traft

[Fawriel]

Originally posted by Trafton
Useless? That is actually really cool. And the thing about going through walls...has been done before. ;-P

I would really love to see N0B0DY's level. He must upload it. Unless, that is, it is simply the transparant level thing, in which case that is already commonly known.

~ Traft
I doubt he would be rated Runner Up with transulcent tiles.

[CelL]

Originally posted by Blackraptor
Good job everyone. I couldn't enter since I couldn't come up with anything new, but Yay for BlurredD! <s> Choose turtemple!</s>

I have a semi-unfinished version of that somewhere if you'd happen to be interested. ;-P

[Lark]

Blackraptor's probably gonna win... his project works. ;) It's very interesting.

[Blackraptor]

Errrr......Labrat, what exactly are you talking about? I didn't submit anything XD!

[Xion]

Originally posted by URJazz
Yes, BlurredD won for a reason. Oh, and it isn't some CTF thing, he just used it for something to do with CTF, but it can be used elsewhere and is really useful. Me and trafton were arguing about this last night and this is a question he could not answer: Where? He could not think of any other ways to use this system other than CTF.<And imho the jail2 system will not make it onto my computer without good reason.>

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Xion
Me and trafton were arguing about this last night and this is a question he could not answer: Where? He could not think of any other ways to use this system other than CTF.<And imho the jail2 system will not make it onto my computer without good reason.>
That is not true. I gave examples such as Team Battle.

~ Traft

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by >Cell<
I have a semi-unfinished version of that somewhere if you'd happen to be interested. ;-P
He does, too. It's mostly bugless, and only missing one thing that I can think of (last I checked).

Originally posted by LAb RaT kiD
Blackraptor's probably gonna win... his project works. It's very interesting.
Last I checked, the science fair was over.

Originally posted by Xion
Me and trafton were arguing about this last night and this is a question he could not answer: Where? He could not think of any other ways to use this system other than CTF.
Believe me, there are ways. Jazz came up with one in a few minutes, even, but I'll let him talk about that if he wants.

[Xion]

Originally posted by Trafton
That is not true. I gave examples such as Team Battle.

~ Traft

That example was not good enough an example for me. If it was something useful in my opinion, and executed correctly, I would have agreed with you.

[EvilMike]

While BlurredD's "discovery" is neat and all (even though I thought it was common knowledge but whatever) using it as a jail2 alternative is insufficient.

When the level cycles, information on warp targets is not reset.

[Xion]

Yeah I came up with one pretty quick. Trust me it is useful, just hard to think of places to use it. I have a level which I'll show send anyone of you if you PM me your e-mail. It shows how it can be used to replace triggers, possibly lots.
I don't really use triggers...I just make it look nice. That's why I can't make good levels.

UR, I'll send you the PM at this instant, but if it is a CTF-biased level it will hit the trash.

[Xion]

That's an...okay system.

Not very useful for a die roll, not exactly *random* because I rolled a 2 twice in a roll.

Not exactly useful.

[Fawriel]

Ah, heck, I just remembered something yesterday I could have used to take part here...


Erm..

Is it commonly known that seekers can move through blocks carrying the One Way event?

[Xion]

Xion, I never said that Multiple Warp Targets are useful, not that system. Well that system is useful, but not in most cases, just in a few select ones. Oh, and BTW, it is random. Just because you roll a 2 twice in a row does not mean that it isn't random. I can roll a die and get a number multiple times fairly easily.
Capture the Flag, perhaps? It's junk. Pure junk.

[Violet CLM]

I find it interesting how something that won the science fair, is thought well of by Trafton, has already been seen to have multiple uses, and no unfixable flaws, is pure junk.
And again, believe it or not, if you take a 6 sided die, you CAN roll a "2" twice in a row.

[Trafton]

I have changed my mind. Xion is completely correct.

Also, I have decided since start positions can be used in CTF, they are bad. The same goes for every single other event. After all, if they even could possibly be used in CTF, that completely nullifies any possible use they could ever have and makes them not a technical JCS achievement, but a pile of useless nothingness. Senseful, no?

~ Traft

[Xion]

I have changed my mind. Xion is completely correct.

Also, I have decided since start positions can be used in CTF, they are bad. The same goes for every single other event. After all, if they even could possibly be used in CTF, that completely nullifies any possible use they could ever have and makes them not a technical JCS achievement, but a pile of useless nothingness. Senseful, no?

~ Traft
Taffy taffy taffy...

You have my view wrong: Anything associated with CTF is bad, however that does not limit it to being just inside CTF. See, if there was real use of JAIL2 outside of CTF, I would accept it. Since there cannot be any usefulness outside of CTF, and half this community is CTF-biased, they see this as a godsend. I don't see CTF as all that great, but more of a useless piece of coding stuck inside a game.

Jail2 is just another piece of hard work trying to double the greatness of CTF, whereas it, CTF, has no greatness in actuality. :(:(:(

CTF = :r

[Violet CLM]

"If there was any real use of Jail2"
http://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/moreinfo.php?levelid=1773
(among others...)


Also, there are more uses for CTF's "useless coding" then CTF. Jailbreak, Team Battle, Team Race, Assassination, or anything that's played in CTF mode. The key word is "Team" here.

[Trafton]

Originally posted by Xion
Taffy taffy taffy...
Xiony Xiony Xiony...saying my name three times will not make your arguement against the value of JAIL2 any more senseful, at least to me.

You have my view wrong: Anything associated with CTF is bad, however that does not limit it to being just inside CTF.
For instance, start positions? After all, they are much more associated with CTF than JAIL2 is. And you have to have start positions in 100% of CTF levels or they will not run. JAIL2 is used in about 2% of CTF levels at most. So start positions must be fifty times as bad!

See, if there was real use of JAIL2 outside of CTF, I would accept it.
Get ready to accept it or, more likely, deny the evidence that it is useful outside of CTF for some obscure reason. See Violet's post.

Since there cannot be any usefulness outside of CTF, and half this community is CTF-biased, they see this as a godsend. I don't see CTF as all that great, but more of a useless piece of coding stuck inside a game.
Perhaps this community is CTF-biased because they prefer CTF as a gamemode? Besides, "biased" is the wrong word. The community prefers CTF to Battle; they are not biased. Being biased would be preferring something for some reason other than thinking it is better on one's own accord.

Jail2 is just another piece of hard work trying to double the greatness of CTF, whereas it, CTF, has no greatness in actuality. :(:(:(
After all, it would be horrible if it was improved to the point where you actually liked it.

CTF = :r
No. The logic involved in disliking of JAIL2 only because it can occasionally be used in CTF = :r.

~ Traft

[EvilMike]

I still stand by my opinion that a trigger based jail2 is less prone to error than a warp based jail2.

[Xion]

Xiony Xiony Xiony...saying my name three times will not make your arguement against the value of JAIL2 any more senseful, at least to me.


For instance, start positions? After all, they are much more associated with CTF than JAIL2 is. And you have to have start positions in 100% of CTF levels or they will not run. JAIL2 is used in about 2% of CTF levels at most. So start positions must be fifty times as bad!


Get ready to accept it or, more likely, deny the evidence that it is useful outside of CTF for some obscure reason. See Violet's post.


Perhaps this community is CTF-biased because they prefer CTF as a gamemode? Besides, "biased" is the wrong word. The community prefers CTF to Battle; they are not biased. Being biased would be preferring something for some reason other than thinking it is better on one's own accord.


After all, it would be horrible if it was improved to the point where you actually liked it.


No. The logic involved in disliking of JAIL2 only because it can occasionally be used in CTF = :r.

~ Traft
1) I was using it in (PA).
2) Are start positions ASSOCIATED with CTF? Just because they are used in CTF doesn't make them bad. Jail2 is Associated with CTF because 9/10 times it's more useful.
3) Yes, this community is CTF-biased. They would rather grab a flag and return it to base than to hunt. Your definition is incorrect: Wakeman was biased, but did he ever have a reason?
4) JJ2 CTF = :r while UT99 CTF = :D :D :D :D
5) And I have changed my viewpoint about Jail2: With the CTF-biased community, they don't wanna kill for a point, they would rather grab the flag and run it back. Therefore, JAIL2 has no point in being in the world. I have played Assassination, and it is a good idea, except for the fact that it has been executed poorly. Team battle too. JDC should have Battle, while the Clanwars should have Capture. It's just common sence. Treasure, don't ask because it has gone from a weird idea to chatter's paradise.

Actually, This system of JAIL2 has been done already, now that I have seen the physics behind the system. So this is at least 4 months old, yet it still won. The level is Monopoly...an okay version of the game. :) So N0's should have won since it is new.

Derby: Personal attack edit.

[Radium]

I like CTF because it's a team game. A team game means you can sit there doing nothing and still win.

[acid]

I like CTF because it's a team game. A team game means you can sit there doing nothing and still win.

heh heh. If you sit around and do nothing, your teammate will most likely get ticked off at you, having to do twice as much work.



I think we should have another science fair, I kind of missed this one and I already have a good idea.

[Xion]

OK, the thing about it is that the system was not publically known, and that is the thing that we didn't want, so it was still good. And you do not know if N0's entry was new or not, for all you know it could have been done a year ago. And despite your arguing, it still stands that BlurredD won with that, while it was very close, and the decision was hard to make, BlurredD won over N0B0DY fair and square, Violet and I being the judges. If you cannot accept this, than please post somewhere else, because no matter what you post the winner will remain to be BlurredD. We're not trying ot be biased, but even if you found a way to prove that BlurredDs was bad in some way, we would not take the prize away.
I'm not asking for a change of winning, I'm just speaking my mind.

[Ice M A N]

"Wakeman was biased, but did he ever have a reason?" I'm pretty sure he did. I *think* I remember reading it had something to do with prefering levels having textured background mode on (or not liking if textured backgrounds were turned off, or something to that extent)

I dunno if I'm right, but I don't think my imagination would ever think that up on its own..

EDIT: See Unknown's post below. Explains it better (I thought it was Roaster, but I guess I only remembered one of the "factors")..

[Violet CLM]

2) Are start positions ASSOCIATED with CTF? Just because they are used in CTF doesn't make them bad. Jail2 is Associated with CTF because 9/10 times it's more useful.
It is? Jail2 may have started out in CTF, but I have not seen it used in actual CTF mode in a while.
3) Yes, this community is CTF-biased. They would rather grab a flag and return it to base than to hunt.
Out of curiosity, have you ever played CTF? Only one person on each time can have the flag at any given time. The majority of people, even in CTF, spend their time hunting down the other team. Without hunters, your team isn't going to have a very good time of it.
Your definition is incorrect: Wakeman was biased, but did he ever have a reason?
Yes. "Wakeman is Biased" arose from him telling someone (Roaster, I think) how he preferred certain factors of levels to others. You know, like all eight layers being used. So basically he's biased towards better quality.
4) JJ2 CTF = :r while UT99 CTF = :D :D :D :D
Is there a difference?
5) And I have changed my viewpoint about Jail2: With the CTF-biased community, they don't wanna kill for a point,
This is a generalization. Also, you don't kill for points in Jail2, you merely kill people to get them out of the way for a bit, increasing your chances of winning.
they would rather grab the flag and run it back. Therefore, JAIL2 has no point in being in the world.
WOW. This is easily the strangest logic I have seen today.
I have played Assassination, and it is a good idea, except for the fact that it has been executed poorly. Team battle too.
They have? You are invited to improve them. We'll like it, assuming they're actually improved, and your idea of improving is not similar to how most people edit Battle1.
JDC should have Battle, while the Clanwars should have Capture. It's just common sence.
I don't know what common sence is, but common sense tells me that JDC can have just about any gametype it likes, while clanwars can have just about any team based gametype. (Bank Robbery! Whee!)
Treasure, don't ask because it has gone from a weird idea to chatter's paradise.
Ummm.... no? Treasure Hunt in itself, collecting gems and going to the exit, is merely a rarely played or created gametype, but with a common non-weird idea. Saying all the various levels that must be played in Treasure mode are Treasure Hunt is like saying that Bank Robbery is CTF, or Hotels are Battle.
Actually, This system of JAIL2 has been done already, now that I have seen the physics behind the system. So this is at least 4 months old, yet it still won. The level is Monopoly...an okay version of the game. :)
Monopoly? What does Monopoly have to do with different warp targets leading different places? (Also, whose Monopoly level?)
So N0's should have won since it is new.
Actually, it's not, creating it was already known, what N0B0DY did was refine the process.
Derby: Personal attack edit.
Oh no. This one I can not argue with. Perfectly reasonable and all that.

[Xion]

This cannot be resolved, so we might as well just drop it and let it die on it's own.

[Stijn]

You are all off-topic. SHAME ON YOU.

[4I Falcon]

I claim the page in the name of "How about a nice big bag of NO?"

In other news, pork. I'm too lazy to try to discover new and interesting things in JCF.

However, I will willingly mooch off of everyone else's successes. }>

[Stijn]

Hooray for useless replies.

[acid]

I think we should have another science fair, I kind of missed this one and I already have a good idea.

Since everyone was too busy arguing when I posted this,*COUGHCOUGH* apparently nobody saw it. So I'm posting it again.

[Xion]

Out of curiosity, have you ever played CTF? Only one person on each time can have the flag at any given time. The majority of people, even in CTF, spend their time hunting down the other team. Without hunters, your team isn't going to have a very good time of it.

Is there a difference?
1) Yes. :r

2) There is a difference with the advent of THREE DIMENSIONS! Snipe spots, guard points, and other effects make it a good experience. You can sit back in the base and still win and have it be FUN. JJ2's CTF is...blah. CTF should never be in 2D IMHO. Other than JJ2, have you ever seen a 2D game with a popular CTF mode?

You want CTF fun? UT99 and Tanarus is your place to go.

[Trafton]

1) Yes. :r

2) There is a difference with the advent of THREE DIMENSIONS! Snipe spots, guard points, and other effects make it a good experience. You can sit back in the base and still win and have it be FUN. JJ2's CTF is...blah. CTF should never be in 2D IMHO. Other than JJ2, have you ever seen a 2D game with a popular CTF mode?

You want CTF fun? UT99 and Tanarus is your place to go.
Why did you not respond to any of the other points he mentioned that were actually relevant?

~ Traft

[Violet CLM]

Snipe spots, guard points, and other effects make it a good experience.
Both of these can very easily be done in JJ2.
You can sit back in the base and still win and have it be FUN.
I begin to see why you dislike CTF, if your idea of a fun game is laying down and letting your team mates do all the work.
JJ2's CTF is...blah.
I don't like CTF either, but do you see me condemning anything that can be used in CTF?
CTF should never be in 2D IMHO.
Yes, well, there are a lot of people who disagree with you.
Other than JJ2, have you ever seen a 2D game with a popular CTF mode?
No, but I've never seen a 2D game with a CTF mode, let alone anything else. JJ2 is just ahead of the field, ok?
You want CTF fun?
Not really.
UT99 and Tanarus is your place to go.
3D? Ick.

[Xion]

Why did you not respond to any of the other points he mentioned that were actually relevant?

~ Traft
Why? Because you are being so (bacon) STUBBORN about it, therefore I figured I best try to wrap up the entire post with answering two main points which all the rest link to.

Okay Unknown: you bring up a good point, JJ2 is the ONLY 2D game wih CTF...other than a few other short-lived games based on the sport of Paintball, but seriously, Isn't CTF best played in 3D?

Also, you can NOT have snipe spots and guard points in JJ2. It's not possible at all. Sorry. Can you point your gun at a downward angle in JJ2? not really. Upward angle? Not at all. Just low, middle, and up. That's all I know about.

[Violet CLM]

How about bouncies, seekers and pepper spray? Those go in many directions.

[Xion]

How about bouncies, seekers and pepper spray? Those go in many directions.
yes, true, but you are very limited. Can you shoot directly at somebody at some odd angle in the distance? not really.

CTF is best played 3D, period.

[n0]

Sorry I'm late, I just got back from vacation.

I will be uploading project hog soonly.

For comming in second place, do I get like half a tileset or somthing?

`N0