Project *that* teasers.

[Newspaz]

Project *that* is a project Ice M A N has been working on. And I've been busy helping him a little by making stupid remarks. Asking stupid questions, and other stupid things you would expect from me.

We won't give any further project details at this moment.

http://stan.stupidcoders.com/diam1.gif

http://stan.stupidcoders.com/diam2.gif

http://stan.stupidcoders.com/diam3.gif

[Trafton]

Interesting... <A bit fake-looking, but still interesting.>

~ Traft

[Blackraptor]

...JJ1 JCS?

[Ice M A N]

Although "When it's done" applies here.. I'm aiming before the end of the summer.

[Fawriel]

...O_O

[ElectroPiZZa]

Intriguing!

[Derby]

Originally posted by ElectroPiZZa
Intriguing!

[Ninja]

Wow.

[Alister]

Neat.

Hope <i>is</i> more than a reader. Looks great.

[Ice M A N]

Even if it was a reader, a writer wouldn't be much harder. But I'm not saying which it is/was/will be. I probably shouldn't even say that. ;p

[Violet CLM]

Yayayayayayayay.

[Radium]

I'm betting it's a hoax.

[4I Falcon]

Originally posted by Radium
I'm betting it's a hoax.

If it is, they must have gone through a lot of work to try to get us to believe it.

I think it's a real thing. JJ1 JCS... looks très spifflar. (Hee, I used an accent. Go myself.)

[Black Ninja]

wow. looks neat. except that JJ1 includes *NO* home-cooked-levels episode, so this can't work. ;p

[Link]

It would actually, seeing as files can be renamed.

[Deaddy]

Hi :)

[Hare]

Wow, at first I was thinking, "Project 'That'" is saying a bit much about just another level pack... Then I realized that JJ2 doesn't have toasters. ^_^ Ok, I guess such a thing would be enough to earn the title of Project That.

*plays the Diamondus theme in his head*

[defalcon]

Ice MAN...you genious you.

[Unhit]

Heh, great idea!

[Skulg]

If it is what I think it is, I.. LOVE you guys. If not, I love you anyway :D

[Alister]

Originally posted by Ice M A N
Even if it was a reader, a writer wouldn't be much harder.

What I meant was the actual ability to edit stuff. Windows to choose events and suchlike. Still, the format decoding may well be the harder than any window construction, so I'll shut up.

Originally posted by Black Ninja
wow. looks neat. except that JJ1 includes *NO* home-cooked-levels episode, so this can't work. ;p

That didn't stop the Commander Keen community. Overwrite away! Whee!

[Xion]

Originally posted by Radium
I'm betting it's a hoax.

It is...Look at the tiles. JJ1 does not have that crisp of graphics. Also, don't the ammo come in packs of 5 instead of 2?

I have just the demo, so I don't know. :)

[Fawriel]

=\

I think it really is a hoax.
See that grass in the second shot?
"Partly Foreground", yeah, right. XP

[Violet CLM]

Originally posted by Xion It is...Look at the tiles. JJ1 does not have that crisp of graphics.
It doesn't? Those are JJ1 Diamondus tiles, each one.
Also, don't the ammo come in packs of 5 instead of 2?
No.

I have just the demo, so I don't know. :)
So? The levels shown in the pictures are from the demo.

[Sun Fun Dude]

I doubt its nothing but a hoax but I am hoping its not.

[CelL]

Originally posted by Unknown Rabbit
Yayayayayayayay.

[Xion]

Originally posted by Unknown Rabbit
It doesn't? Those are JJ1 Diamondus tiles, each one.
I'm not saying it's not the tiles, but rather the clarity of the tile. In JJ1 they are really pixelated.

[Newspaz]

Originally posted by Xion
I'm not saying it's not the tiles, but rather the clarity of the tile. In JJ1 they are really pixelated. That's because they are shown on a lower resolution. (320x200)

[Xion]

rrrriiiigggghhhhtttt....

[Another Jazz 2 fan]

*blink* *blink*

Woah....

New events?

Woah....

*faints*

~AJ2f

[defalcon]

rrrriiiigggghhhhtttt....
Yes.

[FQuist]

*blink* *blink*

Woah....

New events?

Woah....

*faints*

~AJ2f

These are jj1 events, not jj2.

[4I Falcon]

Partly Foreground is a JJ1 event?

Great. Now I'm confused again,

[Radium]

I'm not sure, but the square in the corner of the tile seems to symbolize two events on the same space.

[Xion]

This is such a hoax, and you people are all over it like it's the savior of the jazzers.

[Radium]

This is such a hoax, and you people are all over it like it's the savior of the jazzers.
If it is a hoax, it'll be the most elaborate one since http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?threadid=7011

[defalcon]

This is such a hoax, and you people are all over it like it's the savior of the jazzers.
I can't wait till you're proven wrong. ;P

[Tik]

There is a little more evidence that this isn't a hoax in the JCS forum. Ice M A N has already proven that he's figured out how to extract Jazz1 tilesets, or at least Diamondus.

If this isn't a hoax, then whee yay.

[Violet CLM]

There is a little more evidence that this isn't a hoax in the JCS forum. Ice M A N has already proven that he's figured out how to extract Jazz1 tilesets, or at least Diamondus..
He can. I have proof. 34 images of proof.

[Ice M A N]

I was wondering how long it would be until that was mentioned. ;)

I claim page 2 for Project *that*!! ;p

[Cpp]

Hey IceMAN! Let me know when you figure outhow to extract tiles from jj2 tilesets :)

[Ice M A N]

haha.. Maybe someday Overlord. ;) Starting the day after Project *that* is finished, of course. ;)

[Alister]

I'm not sure, but the square in the corner of the tile seems to symbolize two events on the same space.

From what I can make out, the square in the corner means the tile is a background tile (and when there is no other event, it even says "background tile").

Oh, and if it is a hoax, maybe the interest sparked will persuade someone to do it for real. :)

[Ice M A N]

Oh, and if it is a hoax, ...

Oh ye of little faith.

[4I Falcon]

Oh ye of little faith.

I am currently overly intrigued. I need to go blow something up to go relieve all this tension.

*warez-downloads UT onto his dad's office computer... }>*

[Bobby aka Dizzy]

I don't see why everyone has so little faith in Ice M A N, I mean he certainly did some interesting things with jj1 tilesets and all. I'd be very very surprised if this was a hoax.

[Alister]

Oh ye of little faith.

I am he of much faith. That was intended for those who <i>are</i> of little faith.

[Ice M A N]

My bad. :)

[RockyR]

Wow that could be a beautiful thing. :D
This could probably be better than the original JCS even if it offers the same or less flexibility.

Hmm .. However long the wait would be, i still can't open the original jazz, even with the tppatch file. .. do you suppose I did it wrong or is there another way to fix the runtime error?

[Newspaz]

Try <a href="http://download.com.com/3000-2094-7789535.html?tag=lst-0-1">CPUKiller</a>, and slow your PC down to about 200mhz.

[Alister]

I'm not sure, but the square in the corner of the tile seems to symbolize two events on the same space.

From what I could make out, the square in the corner means it's a background tile.

Behold the reappearance of a mysteriously disappearing post. ;)

[Xion]

this is just a hoax...this is completely fake.

Remember how Gumi and Cobbi fooled you all with the fake gay-marrige thing? I thought that was real, so I was fooled good.

This seems too good to be true, so I am guessing it is not real.

[4I Falcon]

I can't wait till you're proven wrong. ;P

Oi.

[Xion]

He can. I have proof. 34 images of proof.
*cough*HOAX*cough*

[KJAZZ]

If this isn't a hoax, then whee yay.

Yes. :D

[4I Falcon]

That, and HOO HA.

I missed that whole thing with Gummi and Cobbi, didn't I? *whack whack whack*

[Xion]

Oh ye of little faith.
I have no faith in this idea. It is so fake, and since there are only three screenshots of the levels themselves...

I will believe this when I see the program with my own two eyes...and I can bet thirty bucks that will never happen.

[Ice M A N]

I have no faith in this idea. It is so fake, and since there are only three screenshots of the levels themselves...

I will believe this when I see the program with my own two eyes...and I can bet thirty bucks that will never happen.

I'd say for you to make sure you have $30 to give away.. but I suppose you could just never download/see it. Also let it be known that, as mentioned, 34 images of extracted JJ1 tilesets were shown to a group of individuals. And.. an (Note: Old) in game screenshot from some time ago:

<img src="http://icemania.servehttp.com/ss.gif" alt="In game screenshot. Not done by palette modification or anything (check the palette yourself). Old.. does not reflect current status. Only available when my webserver is on">

[Radium]

When it finally is released, please do not make it put your name on all the clouds.

[Ice M A N]

uh.. I guess that was a bad choice of pictures if that was the impression you got. It was just trying to show that changes can already be made ingame.. of course that picture won't have anything to do with anything in the end (green sky? name in clouds? greyscale everything? yeah right.. :P)

[Violet CLM]

I have no faith in this idea. It is so fake, and since there are only three screenshots of the levels themselves...

I will believe this when I see the program with my own two eyes...and I can bet thirty bucks that will never happen.
I am tempted to take you up on this one.

[Newspaz]

I am tempted to take you up on this one.
I am not tempted. Everything he has seen on those screens, can already be done by the program. We will release it for sure. Finished, or unfinished. We never promised anyone what we would add, or what we wouldn't.

[Xion]

<img src="http://icemania.servehttp.com/ss.gif" alt="In game screenshot. Not done by palette modification or anything (check the palette yourself). Old.. does not reflect current status. Only available when my webserver is on">
OH MY GOD THAT LOOKS SO FAKE.

First of all: Why is the text in the clouds so crisp while everything else on the screen is blurry?

Secondly: Look by the turtle on the tree's arm. The plant is not only in black and white, also a small portion of the turtle's arm is in black and white.

Thirdly: Why does the BG mountain's edges a light green? It's supposed to be in B&W, right?

Fourthly: That entire cloud with the text looks fake. It looks nothing like the other cloud in the picture.

Lastly: You showed us that you can edit the levels in your "editor" but how did you change the TS itself? You never talked about that.

Please, if you're going to try and pass an edited screenshot past me, you are going to have to try a heck of a lot harder to clean up the picture and your paper trail.

Final Verdict: Hoax, Fake, and will soon become an Urban Legend.

[Newspaz]

First of all: Everything in that screenie has the same ammount of "crisp", as you call it. You're just seeing things that aren't there.

Secondly: That's the plant, not the turtle.

Thirdly: They are not green.

Fourthly: There is no other cloud in the picture. That's the sun, with a part of the turtle's foot.

Lastly: I edited the tileset using PSP7. Ice M A N knows all about the compression.

Final Verdict: You're seeing things that just are not the Or are trying too hard, to make a point. We might release that level ediit sometime soon. But I think you can just as well just believe what we say.

[Violet CLM]

It's not that the rest of the stuff is blurry, just that it uses gradients to make things look smoother.

And I'm taking that bet.

[Radium]

Fools, when making a hoax always use .jpg files to cover your mistakes.

[Xion]

First of all: Everything in that screenie has the same ammount of "crisp", as you call it. You're just seeing things that aren't there.

Secondly: That's the plant, not the turtle.

Thirdly: They are not green.

Fourthly: There is no other cloud in the picture. That's the sun, with a part of the turtle's foot.

Lastly: I edited the tileset using PSP7. Ice M A N knows all about the compression.

Final Verdict: You're seeing things that just are not the Or are trying too hard, to make a point. We might release that level ediit sometime soon. But I think you can just as well just believe what we say.
1) No, compare Jazz to the cloud I am referring to. Jazz is VERY blurry.
2) That is the turtle.
3) okay I can not argue with that.
4) No, that is a cloud. The other part is too large to be on the turtle.
5) I cannot argue with that too.
6) No, I'm pointing out everything you don't want us to see.

And also, I noticed this: Look at Jazz's left foot. Two points here: WHY IS HIS FOOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TILE? I mean, okay it should be a little in for depth reasons, but THAT FAR? Another thing: He is animated like he's going to fall off, but he is NO WHERE NEAR THE EDGE OF THE TILES!

Final Verdict: I am seeing through the wool they are pulling over my eyes. I can see that this is a hoax even though they deny it over and over and I can bet that this will never come out.

[Ice M A N]

If we released the BLOCKS.000 file which produces that tileset, would you shaddup? (Note that it is not perfect. As it is greyscale, the animations do not work correctly (they are all stationary/static), nor does foreground scenary work(you do go behind it, but you can see the bounding box of the sprites via a dithered pixel effect)

[Newspaz]

1) No, compare Jazz to the cloud I am referring to. Jazz is VERY blurry.
2) That is the turtle.
3) okay I can not argue with that.
4) No, that is a cloud. The other part is too large to be on the turtle.
5) I cannot argue with that too.
6) No, I'm pointing out everything you don't want us to see.

And also, I noticed this: Look at Jazz's left foot. Two points here: WHY IS HIS FOOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TILE? I mean, okay it should be a little in for depth reasons, but THAT FAR? Another thing: He is animated like he's going to fall off, but he is NO WHERE NEAR THE EDGE OF THE TILES!

Final Verdict: I am seeing through the wool they are pulling over my eyes. I can see that this is a hoax even though they deny it over and over and I can bet that this will never come out.
You obviously haven't played Jazz1 too often.

[Alister]

Hmm. My post has magically reappeared. In fact, a whole load of posts have appeared. Hmmm.

So, while I'm reitierating, I may as well say this: Even if this is a hoax, I will <i>personally</i> do it for real. I mean, it must be possible.


Wow, tilesets too?

Of course, all you needed to do was take a screenshot, change the palette and add "ice m a n". Nothing to do with whatever Xion's on about. Maybe he needs to see an optician. :)

[Ice M A N]

Shh... TB. You've runined it.

j/k (I wonder what Xion's reaction is/was/will be ;p)

Tilesets too? I tell you.. they're one heck of a lot easier :P

[Violet CLM]

1) No, compare Jazz to the cloud I am referring to. Jazz is VERY blurry.
No he's not. Those are just gradients.
2) That is the turtle.
That is the plant. Save the picture to disk and zoom in on it a bit.
4) No, that is a cloud. The other part is too large to be on the turtle.
What you're seeing by the turtle, I think, is the sun, and another cloud to the right of it.
And also, I noticed this: Look at Jazz's left foot. Two points here: WHY IS HIS FOOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TILE? I mean, okay it should be a little in for depth reasons, but THAT FAR? Another thing: He is animated like he's going to fall off, but he is NO WHERE NEAR THE EDGE OF THE TILES!
Ok, go complain to Nick and Arjan. It's their fault, after all.
I can bet that this will never come out.
So you're still going with the 30 dollars?

[defalcon]

OH MY GOD THAT LOOKS SO FAKE.

First of all: Why is the text in the clouds so crisp while everything else on the screen is blurry?

Secondly: Look by the turtle on the tree's arm. The plant is not only in black and white, also a small portion of the turtle's arm is in black and white.

Thirdly: Why does the BG mountain's edges a light green? It's supposed to be in B&W, right?

Fourthly: That entire cloud with the text looks fake. It looks nothing like the other cloud in the picture.

Lastly: You showed us that you can edit the levels in your "editor" but how did you change the TS itself? You never talked about that.

Please, if you're going to try and pass an edited screenshot past me, you are going to have to try a heck of a lot harder to clean up the picture and your paper trail.

Final Verdict: Hoax, Fake, and will soon become an Urban Legend.
I'm really tempted to smack you upside the head and take on that bet too. Try actually PLAYING JJ1 then come back and compare it. ;P

[Radium]

Try actually PLAYING JJ1 then come back and compare it. ;P
But that would prove all his reasons wrong! Then what would he do!?

[Unhit]

Could you please hurry a bit ;)?

[Tubz]

I don't get it. I'm either guessing event edits, or JCS v2.0

[Sun Fun Dude]

Xion I have been smacking my head over and over again at your stupid stuff you pointed out, go play JJ1 before you point out the problems. Does Jazz look blurry in that pic? No thats because Jazz1 runs in 320 by 200 thats why everything looks "crisp" as you say. God!

[Stijn]

I would stop trying to convince him it's true. If he believes it's real we can't laugh at him when the program is released ;)

[Ice M A N]

I'm just waiting for his reply to my BLOCKS.000 offer.. I mean.. how can he argue with that? (I'm not saying I don't expect him to try though! ;p)

[Xion]

I have played JJ1, and It is very pixelated. Though if you do shrink it down you should get a crisp image. And also:

Jazz's foot does NOT go into the ground like that. I know, I've stood there and it does go in a little, but not *that* far.

Another flaw here is your inability to keep a story straight. First you say that it's the sun and the foot. Then you say it's the sun and another cloud. STICK WITH YOUR STORY OR ADMIT DEFEAT!

This is such a Hoax, yet everybody is so (This part of the message is brought to you by Derby brand Admin Wands. Buy yours today!) that they can't see this is nothing but a prank, hoax, and a joke. I can not believe everybody is falling for it.

AND I CLAIM THIS PAGE FOR MY KEEN SENSE OF LOGIC TO SEE THAT THIS IS A HOAX!

[Enigma]

Xion, please, you have made your point several times now. Also, allow me to point out that it was Newspoon who said it was a turtle foot + the sun, and Unknown Rabbit who said it was another cloud + the sun. Two different people, so who would you be asking to stick with his story? As for that discussion, i'd agree with Newspaz and say it's the turtle foot with the sun. The size of the foot is definitely NOT too big ;-P

[Ice M A N]

Fine then.. different tileset modification, but same idea...

<a href="http://icemania.servehttp.com/BLOCKS000.zip">Proof of Concept</a>

If you can't figure out how to use it.. well.. there's something seriously wrong.. :p

[Radium]

Fine then.. different tileset modification, but same idea...
<a href="http://icemania.servehttp.com/BLOCKS000.zip">Proof of Concept</a>
If you can't figure out how to use it.. well.. there's something seriously wrong.. :p
Xion > Foo

[Alister]

Love the clouds. :D

[Xion]

Fine then.. different tileset modification, but same idea...

<a href="http://icemania.servehttp.com/BLOCKS000.zip">Proof of Concept</a>

If you can't figure out how to use it.. well.. there's something seriously wrong.. :p
Okay...it's a file.

What do I do with it? install it to my Jazz1 folder?

Hang on lemme find it. :( *mumbles "I know I have it somewhere"*

[Newspaz]

Overwrite the original in your Jazz1 folder. But make sure you backup it :)

[Xion]

Okay the version on this computer is screwed up...I gotta go to the other computer. :(

[Xion]

Fine then.. different tileset modification, but same idea...

<a href="http://icemania.servehttp.com/BLOCKS000.zip">Proof of Concept</a>

If you can't figure out how to use it.. well.. there's something seriously wrong.. :p
Okay, you proved that you can change the colors. You proved that you can edit the tiles themselves.

But did you prove that Project *that* is real? Nope. This could have been done with just about any program. In fact...

PSP can open up RAW file formats...formats like .000. They don't have to be real picutres, they can be music (I know, I've opened the eradicator music with PSP). So this could have been laid out already and you just edit it with PSP.

So in the end, you did prove that the picture was real, yet Project *that* is fake.

[Lark]

If CliffyB saw this, he'd say, "(-) these modern kids! Back in my day, we had to walk through a mile of snow, and than do all this fancy programming to make a level!"

[Xion]

If CliffyB saw this, he'd say, "(-) these modern kids! Back in my day, we had to walk through a mile of snow, and than do all this fancy programming to make a level!"
Well let's find Cliffy! I know he hangs around Planetunreal...

[Newspaz]

Oh by the way I'd like to point out that, whatever happens. We will release something. We already have some nice tools lying around.

[Violet CLM]

PSP can open up RAW file formats...formats like .000. They don't have to be real picutres, they can be music (I know, I've opened the eradicator music with PSP). So this could have been laid out already and you just edit it with PSP.
Quite a pity for your theory that PSP can't open the Blocks.### files.

So in the end, you did prove that the picture was real, yet Project *that* is fake.
I like how nowhere in your post do you give any reasons that they are proving Project *that* is a fake, yet assume it's obvious.

[defalcon]

Well let's find Cliffy! I know he hangs around Planetunreal...
Ahahah! *cough* NO. PlanetUnreal is a Gamespy Affiliated site. CliffyB can be found at the INA (Infogrames/Atari) forums for UT2003/2004 discussion.

And dude, you've lost. When it comes out, I'm going to laugh so hard.

[Fawriel]

I've already ordered a good seat for the the day *that* will be released so I can see Xion's face when it was. :D

[Xion]

I've already ordered a good seat for the the day *that* will be released so I can see Xion's face when it was. :D
And what day is that? :D

And dude, you've lost. When it comes out, I'm going to laugh so hard.

Who said I lost?

They still haven't given any solid proof that Project *that* is real. This is all just them saying "Project *that* is real" and a few screenshots that show nothing of the actual program itself...

I just thought of that: what if they just hacked a picture of JCS and cropped it. I have not seen a true interface for Project *that* at all yet.

Once that gets shown it will be all revealed...and I will be proven wrong.
























































(like they will ever prove me wrong. Any good secretive person would never show the entire thing. This is just a joke and a hoax.)

[Newspaz]

Oh by the way, Xion. We never said what *that* actually is. Maybe it doesn't even have a GUI. You don't know........

[Blackraptor]

I'm betting it isn't a hoax, and I'm hoping it isn't a hoax as well. Why would someone go through all this just to let it be a hoax?

[Radium]

Can you guys just make a modified level file or something so Xi' will get all mad?

[Newspaz]

Why bother he'll tell us we made the changes using a hex editor anyway.

[Ice M A N]

Which we *could*, although it'd be quite hard. Heck.. we could change it in PSP as he suggested. (I'm not even kidding. I could write a program to tell me which byte to change to change to which "colour" so that the ground could be a different tile or something. Anything more than that would be insane in PSP/hex editor. Well.. more insane.)

[Stijn]

And what day is that? :D
They still haven't given any solid proof that Project *that* is real.

Yet you also did not give any solid proof that your theory is true.

[Alister]

<img src="http://www.alexfinch.com/alister/jazz/diam1.gif" / align="left">If I can do this in a few days, Ice M A N can certainly decode tilesets fully in whatever amountof time he's been at it.

Disclaimer: I actually started this about two years ago. Back then about the only thing I could make out was the purple mushroom, and that was messed up. Project *that* took me back to it, and (frustratingly) I managed to get this just by changing a few numbers. so when I say this took a few days, bear in mind that these days were spread out over several years.

Of course, it's entirely possible that this was faked. But hey. I now it's real, so what do I care what you think? :)

[MoonBlazE]

I'd love to know why Xion decides to mess up this topic with a hopeless discussion about if the project is fake or not, when he just can contact the people and talk with them.

[Xion]

I'd love to know why Xion decides to mess up this topic with a hopeless discussion about if the project is fake or not, when he just can contact the people and talk with them.
First amendment, moonblaze.
I feel that I should be able to say what I wanna say, when I wanna say it, and how I wanna say it without anybody stopping me.

@Flash: Iceman did show that you don't need Project *that* to be real to do what was shown.

@Blackraptor: Some people would think these hoaxes out for years to pull on the world, and some are still abound. Look at Chain Letters. :p

[Sun Fun Dude]

Fine then.. different tileset modification, but same idea...

<a href="http://icemania.servehttp.com/BLOCKS000.zip">Proof of Concept</a>

If you can't figure out how to use it.. well.. there's something seriously wrong.. :p

Wow thats amazing. Xion has been proven wrong but he still won't completely give in.

[EvilMike]

Xion, I cannot begin to explain how terribly you have made all your points, and how flawed your reasoning is. While it is very easy to simply argue something and debate it like a reasonably informed person, you seem insistant on constantly getting your facts wrong and contradicting yourself. It seems as if you are either trying too hard, or just faking it, which is what I think is the case. You also decided to bring up the concept of the first amendment of the United States Constitution while speaking directly to someone who isn't an American. Even if he knew what the first amendment, he did not challange your right to free speech. He did not ask you to stop expressing yourself. He asked you to bring your comments somewhere else where it would be more relevant and effecient, like a private conversation.

I think Xion's disbelief of this project is a hoax.

[Xion]

Wow thats amazing. Xion has been proven wrong but he still won't completely give in.
Like I said before: I am proven wrong that the tilesets can be changed, however I have not been proven wrong that Project *that* is a hoax.

@Mike: I'm just looking at it and seeing many ways how this is fake. For instance: Shouldn't all of these editors have some kind of interface, specifically for the tilesets to change the level? As soon as I see a screenshot that has the interface (i.e. a full 640x480, 800x600, etc. screenshot of the program) I will believe.

Untill then, Project *that* is nothing but a hoax to me.

[Newspaz]

Xion. You assume it is a level editor. You assume it has a layout.

[Xion]

Xion. You assume it is a level editor. You assume it has a layout.
Okay then: What is it? Answer that!!!

[Admael]

Y'know, it doesn't seem all that unlikely. And it'd be nice. I won't mark my calendar, but it'd be interesting to see what they come up with.

-Addie

[Urbielewicz]

cool :cool:

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[Link]

Okay then: What is it? Answer that!!!

Program creators have a right to withhold information about their upcoming programs.

[Newspaz]

And I wouldn't tell him anyway. Since I don't want to disapoint anyone when we can't bring what we promised. Until now, I can only tell you that you will get several tools which will enable you to encode levels, encode tilesets. And possibly information about the file format.

Further I can tell you, we are looking at the possibility of editing levels.

[Syntax]

Xion: Right, because Newspaz and Ice M A N told you it was an editor, and they are very well know for hoaxing us.

Evilmike: Way to 0wn Xion. :)

Newspaz/Ice M A N: *thumbs up*

[Xion]

<IMG src="http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/sarge/Whatever_anim.gif" width="133">

[Derby]

<IMG src="http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/sarge/Whatever_anim.gif" width="133">

<IMG src="http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/sarge/Whatever_anim.gif" width="133">



http://216.73.100.85/spiffyjuice/pikz/derby.jpg

[n0]

I don't care what *That* is, if there is a program *That* can do any thing close to what JCS can do for jazz, I'll download *That* program.

Oh, and I think that Xion is just trying to draw attention to himself, and likes to argue even if he knows he is wrong (I've done it myself) so I'm not going to try to argue with him. So, in other words, I agree compleatly with you Xion! Ice M A N can't program and is a liar. In fact, he doesn't even own PSP so he has no idea how he made that edited blocks.000 and the black and white screenshot!
Yeah.
And stuff.

`N0

[Ice M A N]

Ice M A N can't program...
http://cs.saintmarys.ca/~competition/2003/topten.html 6th place. (Granted, there were only 23 teams..., and the whole sarcasm bit too.. but still ;p)

Anyway, (Atomic)Feline has joined the project shortly after this topic was started and is doing some amazing work. I've basically left the project in his and newspaz's hands. It's quite far along, but there is a ton of research into events and stuff which needs to be done that I don't have much interest in..

[Fawriel]

http://cs.saintmarys.ca/~competition/2003/topten.html
Anyway, (Atomic)Feline has joined the project shortly after this topic was started and is doing some amazing work. I've basically left the project in his and newspaz's hands. It's quite far along, but there is a ton of research into events and stuff which needs to be done that I don't have much interest in..
*grins*
THAT's what he's working on... :D
You just ruined the surprise. :p

[Xion]

I agree compleatly with you Xion! Ice M A N can't program and is a liar. In fact, he doesn't even own PSP so he has no idea how he made that edited blocks.000 and the black and white screenshot!
N0, we already settled that the TS can be edited...however I have never seen any proof that Pj.*that* is real.:)

If I see a full-screen screenie of it and all it's features, I'll believe.

And as link said, they would not do that so I still have doubt.

And in order to make me remove my doubt, I gotta see what all it does in a picture.

And as link said, blah blah blah...

In other words: it's an endless cycle before it gets released. That's all there is to it.

Maybe Ice M A N will kill the project before it sees day for one reason or another (crashed disc) and then he would either A) reprogram it from a previous backup. B) hope NS has a newer version than his backup. C) kill it and I would never believe it's existance.

Page claim in the name of a HOAX!

[MoonBlazE]

Give up, Xion. They cannot do anything else than show the screenshots they got, it is your own choise to belive it. You are getting nowhere like this.

[Xion]

Give up, Xion. They cannot do anything else than show the screenshots they got, it is your own choise to belive it. You are getting nowhere like this.
fine.

PM me when it gets released.

[Newspaz]

N0, we already settled that the TS can be edited...however I have never seen any proof that Pj.*that* is real.:)

If I see a full-screen screenie of it and all it's features, I'll believe.

And as link said, they would not do that so I still have doubt.

And in order to make me remove my doubt, I gotta see what all it does in a picture.

And as link said, blah blah blah...

In other words: it's an endless cycle before it gets released. That's all there is to it.

Maybe Ice M A N will kill the project before it sees day for one reason or another (crashed disc) and then he would either A) reprogram it from a previous backup. B) hope NS has a newer version than his backup. C) kill it and I would never believe it's existance.

Page claim in the name of a HOAX!
Listen up, the only thing you know about project that is that it has to do with Jazz1.

[Xion]

Listen up, the only thing you know about project that is that it has to do with Jazz1.
and that's all you have told us.

[Fawriel]

Xion...

They told you it has to do with JJ1.
You saw they could edit JJ1 tilesets.
SO WHY SHOULD THEY MAKE A HOAX IF THEY ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH JJ1 ALREADY?
If they can or cannot edit levels, they said it has to do with JJ1, and that was already proven.

DURRH!

[Newspaz]

and that's all you have told us.
Then why are you suggesting that we should release screenshots of the GUI?

[Xion]

so that you can tell us more.

[Fawriel]

Tell us more about their "HOAX"?

[DoubleGJ]

Oh, just ignore that dude. Or remember him about 30 bucks when *that* comes out...
He's just on it and he won't stop. THere is no way to change his mind.
Anyway, good luck on *that*!

[Sun Fun Dude]

I bet when/if *that* comes out Xion will come up with some excuse like: it isn't real it just hipnotises you into thinking its real, how do we know its not a brain washing program? :lol:

[Feline]

I bet when/if *that* comes out Xion will come up with some excuse like: it isn't real it just hipnotises you into thinking its real, how do we know its not a brain washing program?

I hope not. I'm hoping I'll get those 30 dollars. ;)

[Violet CLM]

I hope not. I'm hoping I'll get those 30 dollars. ;)
I doubt you will, especially considering I'm the one who actually took his bet.

[Newspaz]

I doubt you will, especially considering I'm the one who actually took his bet.
Gah. You will get 30 dollars. Because of us. Not fair.

[Violet CLM]

Hmmm... hadn't thought of it like that. Want to share?

[Ice M A N]

Or you could just help us out to join the side EARNING that $30 .. that'd work too. ;)

[Alister]

you need helpers? Well why didn't you <i>say</i> so? ;)
I'd be happy to do any programming/testing/whatever you need done.

[Ice M A N]

heh.. When we need helpers (which will be soon), you and Unknown were already going to be the two people I would ask specifically in addition to a general announcement/request for help to see if anyone else is interested.

[Violet CLM]

I can't really do anything in the way of JJ1 besides testing things.

[Ice M A N]

Well.. it'd be like learning (and sharing knowledge of) JCS all over again, but with JJ1 and less help to get you off the ground. I mean.. it's no problem if you don't want to or anything. And it'll still be at least a few more days (possibly weeks though) before we're ready..

[Radium]

Well.. it'd be like learning (and sharing knowledge of) JCS all over again, but with JJ1 and less help to get you off the ground. I mean.. it's no problem if you don't want to or anything. And it'll still be at least a few more days (possibly weeks though) before we're ready..
HAH! So you admit it's a level editor!

[Ice M A N]

I only admit that it isn't a hoax. ;)

er... that *that* isn't a hoax.

[Violet CLM]

I think I could handle that...

[Feline]

I would like to reinforce Iceman's point that *that* will need some people proficient in JCS, not that it's a level editor per se, but that knowing how to make jj2 levels (by this I mean good ones) will be helpful for the work that we have in store.

[Newspaz]

http://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/moreinfo.php?levelid=2534

<FONT SIZE='5'>XION WAS WRONG, SO NYAH!</FONT>

[Ice M A N]

heh.. you might want to wait until we fix the upload, ns. ;p

[Newspaz]

It is fixed. :D

[Blackraptor]

I knew this wouldn't e a hoax. GJ guys.

[Alister]

Disbelievers? Level0.041.

I'm sorry, I really couldn't resist. I wonder if this will get edited?

EDIT: Removed what really was a personal attack. Sorry.

[Fawriel]

Hello Xion =)

[Xion]

Pj.*that* crashed my system upon install. THEREFORE, Pj.*that* has not pwned me. Pj.*that* has been pwned by my computer.

:p

[Black Ninja]

hahahahahahahahahahaha Xion foo ;p

(You have been Pwned and you know it. Give Violet his $30.)

[Radium]

It's insulting when anything 94' says my system files are out of date.

[Trafton]

It would probably not have been a bad idea to use the latest Windows system files.

~ Traft

[Fawriel]

Pj.*that* crashed my system upon install. THEREFORE, Pj.*that* has not pwned me. Pj.*that* has been pwned by my computer.

:p
...

...your excellence, I do not wish to contradict you, but I do think that above statement would mean that your calculator has been "owned" by *that*.

[Radium]

Itallic third person narrative time!

<I> In a desprate last appempt to save his reputation, Xion took an axe to his computer as *that* was installing. Now nobody could ever prove it's existance to him.</I>

[Fawriel]

^^!1

[Trafton]

...

...your excellence, I do not wish to contradict you, but I do think that above statement would mean that your calculator has been "owned" by *that*.
Calculator? Hahaha.

Just because it does not work on your system, Xion, does not mean it does not work at all; I have tested it on several operating systems and it appears to work on all of them. Maybe it is a problem with the configuration of your computer or the system files it overwrites with its own, semi-outdated ones.

~ Traft

[Radium]

You mean it un-upgraded my system? Awww, now Pong dosn't work.

[Ice M A N]

Yeah.. you're supposed to read those things asking to make sure if you're going to overwrite a system file with an older version (hint: don't).

[Xion]

...

...your excellence, I do not wish to contradict you, but I do think that above statement would mean that your calculator has been "owned" by *that*.

I thank you for adressing me correctly.

Actually, I hit the install and it froze. :(

[Feline]

Actually, I hit the install and it froze.

We found out that the installation is faulty. Just extract the cab file. ;p

Here's something I made... granted it looks bad...

Back up your old level0.000

Get it here (http://icemania.servehttp.com/pub/LEVEL0.000)

[Newspaz]

Then just unarchive the CAB file. :P

[KRSplat]

Wow. Not only does this program force the user to actually read the readme for a change, but in my opinion it could also revolutionize the Jazz community if developed further and made into an easily useable program and adds a way to access the levels without overwriting the old levels... and in general gets better. I can't even say the JJ2 community for this.

[Lark]

The version that was released on J2O dissapointed me, because in the picture you showed just now, it showed the names of the events...

[Newspaz]

That proved to be impossible once we started to decode other levels.

[Xion]

There is no manual within the cab file...

Wat do I click?

...anyways drop the whole thing, I did not believe this at first because I thought nobody would care.

Ice was then saying his thanks (since there was no readme) and explicitly excluded me. Now, I was possibly the only reason why anybody would care about this project, so I was the person that got people intrested.

You (Ice and NS) were right, I was wrong, leave it at that. Nobody else has to rub it in (like I had at least a dozen people do to me.) I cannot go into a server without getting told to me "PWNED!" by some fool that doesn't know how to work JCS correctly. (Now who's Pwned?) I walk in and say two things: "Hello" and "Not a word."

[Newspaz]

Start the program. And look in the help menu.

[Xion]

Start the program. And look in the help menu.
That is more vague than Link's latest riddle.

WHAT PROGRAM???

[Newspaz]

J1CS.exe. It's in the CAB.

[Radium]

*reads help file*

*brain explodes*

[Feline]

I've already made some changes to the program. You can now select tiles from the level window with the "B" button and can select Events and paste events without going to the event window by using the Ctrl + E and Shift + E combos. I also plan to add Event names... only for the event window and not the Level window. This should make people a bit happier. I'm also making an Undo function.

[Edit]

Ok... all the above was implemented. The new version should be up shortly. Check back here and we'll tell you when the new version is out. A lot of bugfixes and special features were added. =)

[Stijn]

Can't resist.

*insanely laughs at Xion*

[DoubleGJ]

"Uninstaller did not find file System/Core.dll"... is something wrong with my PC? And why UNinstaller?

[Newspaz]

"Uninstaller did not find file System/Core.dll"... is something wrong with my PC? And why UNinstaller?
Because it's a lousy VB installer. Just unarchive the CAB file.

[DoubleGJ]

OK, now I see it. I think it doesn't fit into my 800x600 Windows resolution. It's great! Yeah, extremely hard, but once you got control over it you can mess much more than in JJ2 JCS! It can help with making tileset conversions, but I think that makers will still need some old printsreen methods, since animation frames are not in the tileset.

[Alister]

Now, I was possibly the only reason why anybody would care about this project, so I was the person that got people intrested.

You're not seriously telling us that you are really that conceited?

[Feline]

OK, now I see it. I think it doesn't fit into my 800x600 Windows resolution. It's great! Yeah, extremely hard, but once you got control over it you can mess much more than in JJ2 JCS! It can help with making tileset conversions, but I think that makers will still need some old printsreen methods, since animation frames are not in the tileset.

Just so you know, when you open a tileset or a level, the tileset appears in a file called blocks.bmp in perfect format. JJ2 tileset conversions made simple. :)

[DoubleGJ]

"Bitmap's width must have at least one pixel"... So, for me it doesn't work.

[Tubz]

This is such a hoax, and you people are all over it like it's the savior of the jazzers.

Prepare to eat your words. Wow this thing really does look like a JCS upgrade.

[Violet CLM]

Making JJ1 conversions from the Blocks images is about as bad as editing those things that come with JJ2. You don't have any tiles with mountains behind them, there's no background included, and none of the animations are there. Not to mention the tile placement could be better.
Stick with Backspace+F2, it gets better results. (Print screen? err?)


Am I the only one Getanims.exe doesn't work for? It keeps saying it can't create Getanims.exe.txt.

[Ice M A N]

Making JJ1 conversions from the Blocks images is about as bad as editing those things that come with JJ2. You don't have any tiles with mountains behind them, there's no background included, and none of the animations are there. Not to mention the tile placement could be better.
Stick with Backspace+F2, it gets better results. (Print screen? err?)


Am I the only one Getanims.exe doesn't work for? It keeps saying it can't create Getanims.exe.txt.

The program can be updated easily to do all this.. the background mountain stuff is just a single colour (black?) drawn where transparent is.. that'll take all of a minute to code. Background would be no problem.. well.. actually it may if there ARE different styles for the background.. the animations are palette based, so those can be done programatically as well, but would take a bit longer since I don't know the ranges of the palette which changes (thought I do know how they change)... so.. all in all I <i>could</i> do it tomorrow. ;p

As for placement.. yeah.. I'd agree. But that's how nick had it, and cliffy used...

And I haven't played around with Getanims.exe, but shouldn't that txt file be in the current working directory (and be opened instead of created then..)?

[Feline]

And I haven't played around with Getanims.exe, but shouldn't that txt file be in the current working directory (and be opened instead of created then..)?

The Getanims.exe.txt file is included with the program and should be put in the same directory as Getanims.exe

[Violet CLM]

Yes, it exists, and shows what I presume are the animations for Level0.000. It gives me an error whenever I try to get it to show a different level's animations.

[Ice M A N]

Well.. see http://icemania.servehttp.com:8000/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=22#22 which is probably the same problem (and solution).

[Feline]

Yes, it exists, and shows what I presume are the animations for Level0.000. It gives me an error whenever I try to get it to show a different level's animations.

This presumtion is incorrect. That file contains references for ALL animations and is NOT meant to be overwritten. Pick a new txt file... It's only a few Kb. ;p

[Xion]

conceited
Searching memory banks...
Searching...
Searching...
Word not found.
Would you like to input a Definition? (Y/N/A)

[Radium]

Would you like to input a Definition? (Y/N/A)
- P
Bad command or filename.
- Lies. All lies.
Bad command or filename.
- Delete you.
Unable to find file "ete you."
- $#&@(*!@#64
Your computer has been destroyed. Have a nice day!

[Feline]

;p A new version is up.

[Sun Fun Dude]

Cool! Xion is wrong just as I thought all along. *That* is alot more flexible then JCS.

[DoubleGJ]

Now we need Jazz1Online.com for Jazz1 uploads. ^_^

[Feline]

Now we need Jazz1Online.com for Jazz1 uploads. ^_^

Actually, I was sort of hoping if people would upload levels onto Jazz2online just for the kicks of it.