Distributing Jazz Jackrabbit 1 is now legal!

[<Crono>]

The Library of Congress has created four carefully curtailed exceptions to the DMCA in the interest of preventing the DMCA from unfairly breaking mostly obsolete technology. The list represents "four classes of work," as follows:

(1) Compilations consisting of lists of Internet locations blocked by commercially marketed filtering software applications that are intended to prevent access to domains, websites or portions of websites, but not including lists of Internet locations blocked by software applications that operate exclusively to protect against damage to a computer or computer network or lists of Internet locations blocked by software applications that operate exclusively to prevent receipt of email.

(2) Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete.

(3) Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.

(4) Literary works distributed in ebook format when all existing ebook editions of the work (including digital text editions made available by authorized entities) contain access controls that prevent the enabling of the ebook's read-aloud function and that prevent the enabling of screen readers to render the text into a specialized format.

Considering that Jazz Jackrabbit 1 cannot be played on newer machines without using special software (or at all from my experience with windows XP) I think it qualifies :D

If you think I'm wrong please tell me.

[Xion]

YEAH! THE DCMA WAS JUST A TYPO!

[<Crono>]

YEAH! THE DCMA WAS JUST A TYPO!
Not really...

[Blackraptor]

Can I hav jj1 plz thnx!111111!11HAMSTER!!1 (my old one got erased, then destroyed, then burned, then put into an old box and placed somewhere deep in my apartment.)

PLZ THNX OMG LOL DD

[Link]

JJ1 is in exe format, which is not obsolete. It does require a patch to run on new computers, but many programs require patches. By your logic any program that needs a patch to run properly is exempt from copyright.

[<Crono>]

JJ1 is in exe format, which is not obsolete. It does require a patch to run on new computers, but many programs require patches. By your logic any program that needs a patch to run properly is exempt from copyright.
There are no patches to make JJ2 work on newer computers, there are probrams such as moslo that allow it to run or the "TPPatch" which is more of an illegal hack. There are NO patches put out by Epic that allow this game to run on newer computers therefore my logic is nothing like that at all. The program may be .exe but turbo pascal is pretty obsolete.

[Violet CLM]

Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access.
You do not require a computer made in 1994 to run JJ1. A computer made in 2003 can run them as well.

A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.
XP is reasonably available in the commercial marketplace, and XP users can play JJ1. Nowhere in here does it say anything about Moslo or TPPatch.

[Trafton]

(3) Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.
First of all, this clause was intended to apply only in the case that a console system or operating system became impossible to obtain. When this occurs, it becomes legal, yes; however, JJ1 does not apply to this clause. Computers that can run it are reasonably available. I am using one right now. It is a 3GHz machine that is currently running Jazz 1. A patch is required. If you were right, that would mean the instant a game was patched, it would become legal to distribute. This is simply not true. I am sorry, but JJ1 is still quite illegal.

~ Traft

[Blackraptor]

Darn.

[KRSplat]

Does that mean Atari 2600 games are freeware now?

[<Crono>]

I am using one right now. It is a 3GHz machine that is currently running Jazz 1. A patch is required. If you were right, that would mean the instant a game was patched, it would become legal to distribute.

No, that would mean if a 3rd party patch is required for the game to run on a current computer it is legal to distribute. I seriously doubt you can run JJ1 on a 2003 computer without using TP patch, moslo or similar 3rd party program, therefore JJ1 is legal. If Epic released their own patch designed to make JJ1 run on newer machines then it would be different, but they havn't have they?

Yes Atari games are freeware as well as NES, SNES, and possibly some Dreamcast games.

[Link]

"Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete" - again, JJ1 is distributed in a format perfectly readable by today's software and hardware. The runtime error is a problem caused by the compiler used to create JJ1, not an incompatibility problem between Windows and JJ1's executable format. Windows can run JJ1 perfectly, patched or not. You'll notice that it is a program error, not a Windows error, that you get when attempting to run JJ1.

The hardware (a computer) and software (a Microsoft Windows or DOS product and TPPatch) are reasonably available.

[<Crono>]

Jazz1's "FORMAT" is in turbo pascal which can NOT be run by a standard PC anymore without DOS and TPPATCH. TPPATCH modifies the game's actual binary data. This is called reverse engeneering and is illegal. Therefore it is impossible to run JJ1 on a current day computer without breaking the law making it fall under the catigorey of requiring hardwear not redily avalible in the market.

[Violet CLM]

Seeing as software which breaks the law is always readily available, and nothing is said about not having to break the law anyway, I fail to see how your logic works. I might add that you don't need TPPatch when you can use Moslo.

Note also that that part applies to the "machine or system" needed to run the program. PCs and XP are readily available, and both can run JJ1. Nothing is said about patches. So because JJ1 is not "obsolete", and for a program to be free it must fufill both conditions, JJ1 is not free.

[Karmus]

Yes Atari games are freeware as well as NES, SNES, and possibly some Dreamcast games.

No, they are not freeware. It is still illegal to distribute them via ROMs on the Internet. In all cases it's illegal to make 'backup' of the games, because "you don't need to." The authors still have the copyrights, you know.

[Trafton]

Jazz1's "FORMAT" is in turbo pascal which can NOT be run by a standard PC anymore without DOS and TPPATCH. TPPATCH modifies the game's actual binary data. This is called reverse engeneering and is illegal. Therefore it is impossible to run JJ1 on a current day computer without breaking the law making it fall under the catigorey of requiring hardwear not redily avalible in the market.
It does not matter what programming language it was written for. All that matters is the system it runs on; in this case, said system is a Personal Computer. Said system is still on the market.

Additionally, this rule applies only to extreme cases in which running the came would be possible. TPPatch is also still available on the proverbial "market", and quite common. Besides, if the game is too old to be played on the system, this law only applies to distributing it through other systems, one would assume. Otherwise, what would be the point of the law?

~ Traft

[Haze]

Setting aside all the talk about machine obso1337ness, patches and other crappy imho excuses, there is still the matter of copyright, which has so far been briefly mentioned in this thread. :\
Jazz Jackrabbit still is an active trademark of Epic Games, therefor you can kiss the "JJ1 IS FREEEEE!!!" thing goodbye. Thank you. -_-'

[Radium]

Either way, thank you for not making another one of those "omg lol JJ1 is freewarez is says so on (site).com!!" threads.

[stripe]

Haze, this thread is about the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. But I'm still not very clear on the issue: while it claims these four things are exempted from the DMCA, what does that entail? It seems to me like this is saying that the special protections on digital media enacted in the DMCA (which I don't know much about) don't apply to these things... obviously there are still other protections on it, but how do they differ?

hmm, need a layer :)

stripe

[Strato]

I have 8 layers!

[Haze]

*lol @ infinite* *nods @ stripe* I know that. ^_^ Just reminding everybody that aside from these directives regular copyright laws also still apply. ^_~

[Darker]

Ur all odd, JJ1 is abandone ware. No one can stop the people who wanna give it out can and will give it out.

HAHAHA

[Darker]

CMON PEOPLE, LOOK AT THIS, 2004, LOOK AT JJ1, 1995@
IT IS A SIZE OF A SMALL LEVEL in a 3d game :P cmon people, epic games cant do now to a game they dont care about@

[Newspaz]

Darker, abadonware is illegal.

[Link]

We've been arguing about something Crono quoted, but he didn't include the full context.

http://www.copyright.gov/1201/

This only applies to "the classes of works subject to the exemption from the prohibition against circumvention of technological measures that control access to copyrighted works."

These are not exemptions from copyright law itself, only exemptions from prohibition of circumvention of access controls. (So basically in these circumstances, one is able to circumvent access controls while still being in accordance with the fair use rights granted in the copyright act.)

I say this whole argument is over.

[Strato]

Link wins again.

[Karmus]

Abandonware is ONLY legal if the authors has given the permission to freely distribute the app/game online.

[Tik]

Ur all odd, JJ1 is abandone ware. No one can stop the people who wanna give it out can and will give it out.

HAHAHAYou are so cool.

[Trafton]

Abandonware is ONLY legal if the authors has given the permission to freely distribute the app/game online.
That's not exactly the concept of "abandonware." The concept is when a game is too old for the company to care anyway; it is true that that makes it legal, but it also makes it shareware. However, this must be agreed to by all parties involved, which is rare.

~ Traft

[DanYjel]

Abandonware is ONLY legal if the authors has given the permission to freely distribute the app/game online.
When authors give permission, it's freeware.
Abandonware is always illegal. But it must be. It's treasure of this world.

[Lark]

Darker, it's 2003. Not 2004.

[Tubz]

I revive myself on the JCF just to say: that I hope Crono wins the argument. Long live JJ1, the best JJ game ever.

Long live Pulseman!

[Tubz]

You are so cool.

"Kill me JJ one more time."
~Britney Spears quote edit

[Trafton]

I revive myself on the JCF just to say: that I hope Crono wins the argument. Long live JJ1, the best JJ game ever.

Long live Pulseman!
How will Crono's winning this arguement do anything? The fact is, he is wrong, whether or not he wins. This is not the Supreme Court; the discussions here do not decide the laws. Besides, JJ1 can live on. It is still available in some areas and common on EBay.

"Kill me JJ one more time."
~Britney Spears quote edit
Oh. Okay. Now I'm convinced.

~ Traft

[Tubz]

Well Ebay sucks, and oh it doesn't matter I would have downloaded it anyway. Even if I didn't get my copy of JJ1.

[Tik]

Well Ebay sucks, and oh it doesn't matter I would have downloaded it anyway. Even if I didn't get my copy of JJ1.How does that justify anything? All you're doing is admitting that you don't have any integrity and that you'll readily break the law for your own convenience, ignoring viable solutions because they "suck".

[Tubz]

Yeah and I don't care Spaztic. You can go ahead and constantly try to defend games that are "years" old, but I won't. I will only probably defend the new gamse and games probably only within maybe 3 or 4 years at the most?

Geez, yeah right. I won't defend games that are as old as Sonic The Hedgehog 2. When their worth like jack crap if you tried to sell them, if you owned them.

[Violet CLM]

Geez, yeah right. I won't defend games that are as old as Sonic The Hedgehog 2. When their worth like jack crap if you tried to sell them, if you owned them.
1. All you are saying is "I have no sense of morals or law and only do things according to whatever I feel most benefits me, myself and I.".
2. It only costs 10 dollars. For PC. People buy it.

[Black Ninja]

JJ1 = Freeware = No
JJ1 = Illegal to Distribute = Yes
Downloading Illegal files = Bad = Yes
Download JJ1 = No.

I now have said all that needs to be said.

[Hare]

This thread should die.

[Karmus]

Duke Nukem: "Die, you ***********!"

[Stijn]

*pageclaim*

Anyway, who actually cares if it is legal to send it to others. If you really want it, I'm sure you will get hold of it in a more uhm... unconventional way :D

[Tubz]

1. All you are saying is "I have no sense of morals or law and only do things according to whatever I feel most benefits me, myself and I.".
2. It only costs 10 dollars. For PC. People buy it.

Do I care? Maybe, and that's just because this is the best Jazz Jackrabbit game of all time. Otherwise, if JJ2 was from 94, I probably would have downloaded it. I don't really care if you or Spaztic or anyone else thinks I have no morals. I do what I do for my own purpose. And if you all want to constantly fight about illegal stuff and whatnot, you can go ahead to. But I willl only buy certain things, like I would download an Atari game, not buy it. I would buy a PS1 game, not download it.\

JJ1 = Freeware = No
JJ1 = Illegal to Distribute = Yes
Downloading Illegal files = Bad = Yes
Download JJ1 = No.

I now have said all that needs to be said.

While as true as your statements may be, I think all of us will probably agree on statements 1 and 2. But some of us, like me, may argue on statements 3 and 4. So here's my view:

JJ1 = Freeware = No
JJ1 = Illegal to Distribute = Yes
Downloading Illegal files = Bad = But I might do it anyway
Download JJ1 = Yes
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Indeed correct Fl@$h, i've come to the reasons that the game is too old. And, that I or anyone else would have legal cause to have the game, if they owned JJ2. It doesn't matter, if they have JJ2, as in a legally bought version of the game, they are strictly entitled to their copy of JJ1, as stated by the paper inside the box, and on the cover of the box in the corner.

[Trafton]

Do I care? Maybe, and that's just because this is the best Jazz Jackrabbit game of all time. Otherwise, if JJ2 was from 94, I probably would have downloaded it. I don't really care if you or Spaztic or anyone else thinks I have no morals. I do what I do for my own purpose. And if you all want to constantly fight about illegal stuff and whatnot, you can go ahead to. But I willl only buy certain things, like I would download an Atari game, not buy it. I would buy a PS1 game, not download it.\



While as true as your statements may be, I think all of us will probably agree on statements 1 and 2. But some of us, like me, may argue on statements 3 and 4. So here's my view:

JJ1 = Freeware = No
JJ1 = Illegal to Distribute = Yes
Downloading Illegal files = Bad = But I might do it anyway
Download JJ1 = Yes
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Indeed correct Fl@$h, i've come to the reasons that the game is too old. And, that I or anyone else would have legal cause to have the game, if they owned JJ2. It doesn't matter, if they have JJ2, as in a legally bought version of the game, they are strictly entitled to their copy of JJ1, as stated by the paper inside the box, and on the cover of the box in the corner.
You can take this position, but you can not say that it is morally correct at the same time; what you are doing is illegal, bar none. The paper means you are entitled to a copy from Epic Megagames, not hAcKRAT_63.

~ Traft

[Tubz]

Of course it's illegal, but all I mean is anyone with the paper desrves the copy of the game. I don't know who this hackrat is.

[Stijn]

Epic won't make any money if I don't buy it, nor if I download it somewhere. What's the difference? :P

I wouldn't buy it if I saw it, I am just interested in seeing how it looks and plays.

[Karmus]

I know someone, he bought Jazz Jackrabbit 2 (not TSF) and got JJ1 included, but when he found out TSF was out he downloaded a full version of that. For me that sounds illegal.

[Tubz]

Alas, it is illegal. But I took into consideration the illegal facts that I downloaded TSF anyway. And that, it's not distributed in America, as my first reason. That all the other Jazz expansions were freeware, and that the game isn't even worth buying.

[Violet CLM]

It's not worth it? You can't be bothered to shell out a few dollars in order to get a complete game, including online play, a level editor, multiple playable characters and access to hundreds of new levels once the included ones get old?

[VashTheStampede]

JJ1 is in exe format, which is not obsolete. It does require a patch to run on new computers, but many programs require patches. By your logic any program that needs a patch to run properly is exempt from copyright.


so by his standards JJ2 is also free to distribute, seeing as you need the 1.23 patch to play it online.

version 1.21 is legal to distribute? i highly doubt it.

[<Crono>]

VashtheStampede: That is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard, the 1.23 patch is not a 3rd part patch is it? And you dont even need the patch to play the game even if it was. Get a brain you stupid morron.


My philosophy: downloading JJ1 does not harm EPic as it is no longer manufactured or sold.
Therefore downloading it does not demonstrate any lack of morals, however being against anyone downloading it or downloading it yourself is balatent stupidity.

[SteelTalon]

[thread hijack] What is this PTPatch you speak of?[/thread hijack]

[Violet CLM]

My philosophy: downloading JJ1 does not harm EPic as it is no longer manufactured or sold.
http://www.epicclassics.com/

Therefore downloading it does not demonstrate any lack of morals,
Yes it does. Whether or not it harms Epic, you are still stealing.

however being against anyone downloading it or downloading it yourself is balatent stupidity.
I found a new quote!

[Strato]

UR wins!

[Trafton]

VashtheStampede: The 1.23 patch is not a 3rd part patch is it? And you dont even need the patch to play the game even if it was.
I assume you mean "third party". The 1.23 patch does not make the game free in 1.23 form whatsoever. It is a first party patch. Not that it matters. Unauthorized third party patches, such as crack patches, do not apply to this law for obvious reasons.

My philosophy: downloading JJ1 does not harm EPic as it is no longer manufactured or sold.
The problem is that it still is sold in some places.

Therefore downloading it does not demonstrate any lack of morals,
It's still illegal, even if it wasn't hurting Epic, which isn't true.

however being against anyone downloading it or downloading it yourself is balatent stupidity.
More like blatant following of international laws. Your morals may say this is fine, but general population does not, nor does the law, which oftentimes justifies the general population. Just because you disagree with something does not mean it is stupid. It is hard to realize that for everyone, but it is something everyone needs to do.

~ Traft

[Risp_old]

*claps*

[Shadow XZ]

A few words to say.

Yes, most likely downloading and distributing JJ1 on the internet is illegal.

However, you cannot say that it hurts Epic in any way or form. In many cases, any JJ related product makes up a very small percent of Epic's total income.

So in the long run, is it right to download it? Lawfully, no. Morally, it depends.

[Sun Fun Dude]

A few words to say.

Yes, most likely downloading and distributing JJ1 on the internet is illegal.

However, you cannot say that it hurts Epic in any way or form. In many cases, any JJ related product makes up a very small percent of Epic's total income.

So in the long run, is it right to download it? Lawfully, no. Morally, it depends.

I doubt Epic makes any money of JJ anymore.

[Trafton]

I hate to pull out the old jumping off the bridge metaphor, so I won't; the fact remains that this is a bit too special. It's sort of like those people who drink bottled water and use cell phones will driving alone in the carpool lane in their giant, rollover-prone SUV because they are somehow entitled by breathing. Sure, a few people doing this does not hurt, but no one is any more entitled than anyone else to own a free copy. If you are, then everyone is. And there is no reason for you to be. I say "you" in general as being anyone - anyone, no matter who they are. If you truly care, write Epic and say you bought JJ2. If they give no reply, sue them or something. You could even get more money. Plus, you can sue people. Us Americans love doing that.

~ Traft

[Flamepanther]

I hate to pull out the old jumping off the bridge metaphor, so I won't; the fact remains that this is a bit too special. It's sort of like those people who drink bottled water and use cell phones will driving alone in the carpool lane in their giant, rollover-prone SUV because they are somehow entitled by breathing. Sure, a few people doing this does not hurt, but no one is any more entitled than anyone else to own a free copy. If you are, then everyone is. And there is no reason for you to be. I say "you" in general as being anyone - anyone, no matter who they are. If you truly care, write Epic and say you bought JJ2. If they give no reply, sue them or something. You could even get more money. Plus, you can sue people. Us Americans love doing that.

~ Traft
Oh, that's great thinking. Let's all sue Epic. That won't do any damage... except maybe more than every person on earth downloading a copy of JJ1 (which is available for sale from Epic whether anyone buys it or not).

[Trafton]

Oh, that's grate thinking. Let's all sure Epic. That won't do any damage... except maybe more than every person on earth downloading a copy of JJ1 (which is available for sale from Epic whether anyone buys it or not).
That was actually rambling sarcasm.

~ Traft

[Sun Fun Dude]

Oh, that's great thinking. Let's all sue Epic. That won't do any damage... except maybe more than every person on earth downloading a copy of JJ1 (which is available for sale from Epic whether anyone buys it or not).

Epic doesn't sell any JJ realated product anymore. Its Unreal this, Unreal that!

[Flamepanther]

Epic doesn't sell any JJ realated product anymore. Its Unreal this, Unreal that!They don't make anything except Unreal. They pretty much don't sell anything at all directly. However Epic Classics still sells Jazz 1, I believe.

Incidentally, I don't think making versions of just one game is going to work forever... then again it's still pretty much working for id.

[Karmus]

Some companies make too much out of one selling thing, they don't see the importantness in their other games. Some people love their games so much that they have all their lifestyle involved in it.

[Tubz]

It's not worth it? You can't be bothered to shell out a few dollars in order to get a complete game, including online play, a level editor, multiple playable characters and access to hundreds of new levels once the included ones get old?

Maybe if the game didn't have so many bugs it would be worth it.

[Tubz]

I hate to pull out the old jumping off the bridge metaphor, so I won't; the fact remains that this is a bit too special. It's sort of like those people who drink bottled water and use cell phones will driving alone in the carpool lane in their giant, rollover-prone SUV because they are somehow entitled by breathing. Sure, a few people doing this does not hurt, but no one is any more entitled than anyone else to own a free copy. If you are, then everyone is. And there is no reason for you to be. I say "you" in general as being anyone - anyone, no matter who they are. If you truly care, write Epic and say you bought JJ2. If they give no reply, sue them or something. You could even get more money. Plus, you can sue people. Us Americans love doing that.

~ Traft

Your advise would get me in trouble with the law, :(.
Oh and another thing, SUVs wouldn't be so prone to rollover, if one did not abuse the car, and try to drive really fast or at rediculously fast speeds.

Some companies make too much out of one selling thing, they don't see the importantness in their other games. Some people love their games so much that they have all their lifestyle involved in it.

So true Karmus. Unreal has gone to Epic's head, I just saw that Cliffy B guy on G4 today, once again the topic was Unreal.

[Trafton]

Your advise would get me in trouble with the law, :(.
How so?

So true Karmus. Unreal has gone to Epic's head, I just saw that Cliffy B guy on G4 today, once again the topic was Unreal.
Maybe because Unreal makes them money and JJ2 doesn't? I don't like it either, but it is still not an excuse for illegal activity.

~ Traft

[Jazzyman]

Where are you talking about, copyricht,s ?

[Radium]

Where are you talking about, copyricht,s ?
I downloaded some of the games you made on J2O. I was expecting you to say something like this.

[Karmus]

Unreal has gone to Epic's head

Also on the main site you only see "Unreal", "Unreal ...", "Unreal *this*", "Unreal *that*".

[Sun Fun Dude]

Also on the main site you only see "Unreal", "Unreal ...", "Unreal *this*", "Unreal *that*".

Yeah Karmus I believe I already said that.

Epic doesn't sell any JJ realated product anymore. Its Unreal this, Unreal that!

[Karmus]

Distributing Jazz Jackrabbit as abandonware has and will always be(en) illegal, until Epic releases it as freeware, and that's only when it's downloadable on their site.

[Glaber]

What about the shareware versions?

[Violet CLM]

Look at the name. Shareware. It's free.

[Karmus]

What about the shareware versions?

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Abandonware is an illegal definition of old games no longer being sold in shops can be downloaded for free on the Internet.
Demo is the same as shareware and can be downloaded on the game site. I don't think these can be sold.
Freeware is free stuff the author(s) have confirmed free to distribute and not to sell.
Full version is a complete version of a game. When you buy a game-cd.
Shareware is a shortened version of a game that the developer wants people to share with others so they will go buy the game and they can earn money. I also think that these can be sold for a cheap price. (I bought a shareware of Jazz Jackrabbit on a floppy (Jazz logo on the metal-*thing*) in a shop 8 years ago for a nickel.) Shareware is mostly replaced by demos today.
Trial versions of programs are often with a time limit (for example 30 days) or a max. use limit (for example 10 times open program). Some programs also have in example 1 hour use and when the 60 minutes have passed by the program will be shut down. They are also often with limitations as demo and shareware.
Warez is illegal distribution of full versions of games for free. For example through IRC, P2P, FTP or HTTP.
These were all different types I could come in thought of.

[Lark]

Abandonware - An illegal way to download games that are no longer sold in stores (but may or may not be sold on the Internet). Although many think it's legal, it's not. Not as illegal as warez, though.
Freeware - Full versions of games that are not sold and never will be sold. For example, <i>Jetpack</i> is freeware now.
Shareware - The old term for demo. Shareware is demo, and demo is shareware.
Demo - A shorter version of a game that just shows off the capabilities and main concept of the game. Often released several months before the game is released. I once found a demo version of <i>Major Stryker</i> in a store, but it didn't say it was a demo and not the full version. It was only like $2.00, so I got my mom to buy it for me. When I got home, I found out it was the same shareware version I all ready had gotten from a FREE demo disk. I was really angry, too. I don't know if what the store did, selling shareware, is legal, but if I remembered what store it was, I would SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE >OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO
Warez - A highly illegal way of getting free games that are still sold. Some games that are available through warez haven't even come out yet. Warez is often associated with ****ographic material, and hacking.
Full version - The full version of the game that you BUY. OMGOMGOMGOMG BUY!!!11 ;o
Trial - Versions of full games that can only be used for a limited time. You often get buggy trial programs that exceed the trial's limit. For example, I had the program <i>Mozart</i> for all most two years and it was supposed to stop working after two months. Trial versions of games and programs also are occasionally based on the number of times you use them. I've played some really nasty trial games that shut the game off when you lose, or win the whole game, or something, just so when you start it back up, you wasted one of your chances to use it. REALLY NASTY PEOPLE. Trial versions are often turned into full versions by codes, or serials. Hackers take advantage of this and often find out special codes that gives you the full versions, also known as crack codes.

PS: Is this thread ever going to die? =P

[Karmus]

I love Jetpack!!! Highly recommended!
http://www.adeptsoftware.com/
That game was once shareware, but is now released as freeware. It's not abandoned and has nothing to do with abandonware. Abandonware is some peoples own thought, the authors haven't given any permission.

[Lark]

People are getting off topic now >OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Sciz CT]

When you buy shareware, all you're paying for is the cost of materials and shipping. I bought plenty of games that way way back when.

[Bartman]

Heheh. Abandonware, everyone remember that day where I did the thing? =P

[Xtreem]

the way i see it its illegal to download jazz 1 but your doing less harm downloading jazz 1 than if you download a tune from kazaa.

more than likley if you went in to a shop you could buy a cd with the tune you downloaded but if you went in to a shop (in england anyway) and wanted to buy a jazz jackrabbiit game they will have probly never have heard of it.

yes epic classics are selling it but they make it hard for you to buy it, who likes the idea of posting money halfway across the world and hoping it gets there one day?

[Karmus]

It's weird that Epic Classics (another company) is selling Epic MegaGames' old titles. It shows that Epic Games Incorporated are totally careless about their own for example Jazz Jackrabbit.

[Trafton]

It's weird that Epic Classics (another company) is selling Epic MegaGames' old titles. It shows that Epic Games Incorporated are totally careless about their own for example Jazz Jackrabbit.
Epic Classics, I'm sure, is related to Epic. It's probably just a matter of law, honestly.

~ Traft

[Flamepanther]

What, is this topic back again? :confused:

DIE! DIE!
*smashes with a hammer*

[Karmus]

What, is this topic back again? :confused:
DIE! DIE! *smashes with a hammer*
I think most people know the point of this topic.
*Reverting to my Duke Nukem quote earlier, when he kills a boss*

[Brian]

Abandonware is no more or less illegal than warez. Remember, if the company that makes it doesn't declare it as freeware, then it's still illegal. The only real difference is that abandonware is old software that people think that companies don't care about anymore, and warez is usually more current. But from a legal standpoint, you're still not allowed to download either without permission.

See, the problem here is copyright. Software falls under the same category as books. While it is a good thing that the owner of the copyright gets compensated for their work, the bad part is that there is no law that distinguishes between software, and other works (books, music, etc...) So that means that the copyright on JJ1 is valid for the same length of time as it would be for a book. And that is, if I remember correctly, the life of the author plus 70 years.

So by the time that we're all dead, and any computer that would play JJ1 is behind a locked glass case in a museam, we'll be able to download and play JJ1 for free. :-)

Before then though, JJ1 without purchasing it or owning an actual CD or disk set is illegal without official word from Epic that it is freeware. So this discussion is pretty much a moot point.

But who knows, maybe they'll release it one day. I remember once that the developers for Castle of the Winds gave that away for free. That was on Epic's Mega Message Board. (even before the JMMB) if I digged hard enough I might even be able to find the email that I got from the developer who sent me part 2 as an attachment. So keep your hopes up, maybe one day we'll get it!

Btw, according to the "original" argument that no computers/hardware today will run JJ1, I'd have to say that you're wrong. Buy a computer, put windows 98 on it (yes, microsoft still supports it. In fact they just <a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39119028,00.htm">extended the support date</a> on it.) and underclock your processor. Yes, I know it's a bit extreme, but hey... it can be done. :-) Just because computers today come preinstalled with XP on them, it does NOT mean that it is the only OS out there.

[Newspaz]

You know what would be cool, if the source code of Jazz1 could be released. I've seen it done with Rise of The Triad and Duke Nukem 3D recently. And there are some very nice developments there. (For more information visit the <A href="http://www.3drealms.com/">3DRealms</A> website.)

[Karmus]

OFF TOPIC:
You know what would be cool, if the source code of Jazz1 could be released. I've seen it done with Rise of The Triad and Duke Nukem 3D recently. And there are some very nice developments there. (For more information visit the <A href="http://www.3drealms.com/">3DRealms</A> website.)
That's why I use Dukester X (I'm a beta tester) and the w32 ports to play multiplayer under sucking XP (it actually sucks!). I hope Shadow Warrior also will get possible to play with port someday. People are begging like mad.