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Kaine Jackrabbi
Jun 3, 2005, 05:15 PM
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/9329/mar07120bh.th.png (http://img189.echo.cx/my.php?image=mar07120bh.png)
http://img195.echo.cx/img195/9506/jun03144ip.th.png (http://img195.echo.cx/my.php?image=jun03144ip.png)
http://img207.echo.cx/img207/8075/feb21077px.th.png (http://img207.echo.cx/my.php?image=feb21077px.png)
http://img26.echo.cx/img26/4799/ki4gl.th.png (http://img26.echo.cx/my.php?image=ki4gl.png)

Yeah, It's all Sonic X, except the red-headed girl is my main fancharcter, Ki the fairy, I'm working on a bunch of JJ2 fanart, but considering how bad I am at drawing animals, It could take awhile. And again, I don't expect anyone to actually LIKE my art.

Odin
Jun 3, 2005, 09:37 PM
Yeah, It's all Sonic X, except the red-headed girl is my main fancharcter, Ki the fairy

You're a girl?

NaT
Jun 3, 2005, 09:53 PM
nice drawings..!!!..... they reminds me of some old Russian cartoon! :)

Stijn
Jun 4, 2005, 01:50 AM
The faces are somewhat strange. In reality, the part between the nose and the forehead doesn't bend back as much as in your drawings, and the nose is placed too low. I like your color usage, though. <3 colors.

Kaine Jackrabbi
Jun 4, 2005, 12:32 PM
Yes, I am in fact a girl. Also, I'll try to get the face positions right next time.

Radium
Jun 4, 2005, 01:24 PM
Ello, small child. If I have not introduced myself, my name is Radium, and I'm the local everything critic, and owner of http://www.foxmage.com, a website with no actual content (storage, mostly). I try my best to give insightful constructive criticism to help people improve, and insightful destructive criticism to amuse myself. I will now commense my detailed analysis of your four submitted drawings, in order to see if you redeem yourself for that unrhyming piece of poetry you posed in the Comedy Cafe. Heck, to see if you can redeem yourself for posting in the Comedy Cafe in the first place.
Allow me to start my process with the first piece of your work, the one that depicts two people either kissing or crying on eachother or whatever. I don't care what they're doing, in fact. At your level, I'm mostly here to critique digital things and anatomy.
First off, a lesson in digital art: floodfill is a privelage, not a right. A common misconception by new artists is that they can scan in a sketch, reduce it to two colors, and floodfill away. Don't do this. It gives you ugly, blocky lines with white spaces in them. Work around this. If you have a tablet, color things in manually (usually on a multiply layer) instead of using the floodfill. If you don't have a tablet, learn to floodfill antialiased lines. How to do this really depends on the software you're using.
Now, let's talk about shading. Your figures look flat. There's no depth to them. To correct this, shade! Highlight parts of the hair (ridiculously so, this is anime!). It will give your characters depth, and make them look better. Especially add some reflection on that tear. Make it shiny. Shiny things are powerful and special. Also, don't put a black outline around the white reflective thingies on her eyes. It ruins the shinyness.
Anyway, on to anatomy. First of all, the girl's mouth is way too low. Go find a picture of a human skull (or, examine the one below). Note the chin part. She needs this. Also, your hair seems random. Go find someone with hair, and draw it. Hair is complicated and takes work to master, but it's not just random lines. Work on eye and ear positioning, too.
http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/pics/Side%20Skull%20copy.JPG
Anyway, now on to the happy winged gal. Let's start with a lesson in wings. Those are bad wings. What you intended them to look like depends on what sort of wings they were supposed to be.
http://www-biol.paisley.ac.uk/courses/Tatner/biomedia/jpegs/brdwng.jpg
This is a bird wing. It has three joints, two of which are important. Note how it has feathers, and they fan out on the last portion.
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/303432/2/Angel_or_insect_wings__large_.jpg
These are insect wings. They usually come in fours. I never studied into these much, but they are probably something closer to what you are looking for. Note the oval shape, and four-ness.
Now, the most important part: body structure. First of all, she's way too thin. Her hips should be at least as wide as her shoulders, especially with her arms raised like that. Also, you might want to try planning out the basic form before you draw the character. They will end up a lot more realistic that way. Her arms are too thin, also.
Anyway, next I'll critique this tied up guy. His neck should connect to the middle of his head, not the left side. And it looks like you tried shading this one. It's a good start, but if you shade something you can't pick-and-choose what parts to shade.
His face in general seems a bit off. It's hard to tell what part is his face. I also wouldn't put outlines around the kiss marks; it puts too much emphasis on them. In general, outlines go on 45 degree or greater angles.
Aaaand lastly, this dancing girl. Her right arm is longer, her right breast is larger, and her right eye is higher. Her other eye is a bit too far to the side, also. Again, the thing with the hips. The lines on this one look smoother, though, like you drew it larger and scaled it down. Good job on that.

So, I ran out of things to say. Someone else continue.

Kaine Jackrabbi
Jun 4, 2005, 02:59 PM
Her wings were MEANT to be like that. She is a FAIRY. Not a bird. Not a bat or insect. A FAIRY. Her wings were MEANT to be like that.

Otherwise, thanks.

n00b
Jun 4, 2005, 03:18 PM
A fairy? Well most fairys use butterfly wings, but I n00b know better than to give youbog standard info! My knowledge told me of a fairy named Lumina(or something like that) from the game Sonic Shuffle! Since your art is Sonic related one way or another, I have decided that is the prime oppurtunity to show you the picture of said Lumina:
http://ghz.emulationzone.org/sonic/shuffle/lumina.jpg
Look at her wings, and let that sink in for a while.
EDIT: I would like to tell you she is flying so her wings are in motion.

Kaine Jackrabbi
Jun 4, 2005, 03:44 PM
A fairy? Well most fairys use butterfly wings, but I n00b know better than to give youbog standard info! My knowledge told me of a fairy named Lumina(or something like that) from the game Sonic Shuffle! Since your art is Sonic related one way or another, I have decided that is the prime oppurtunity to show you the picture of said Lumina:
http://ghz.emulationzone.org/sonic/shuffle/lumina.jpg
Look at her wings, and let that sink in for a while.
EDIT: I would like to tell you she is flying so her wings are in motion.
SONIC SHUFFLE BOMBED

Why don't you let that info sink in for a while while I go spend my time doing somthing more productive than listing to you talk about what fairies SHOULD look like.

n00b
Jun 4, 2005, 03:57 PM
SONIC SHUFFLE BOMBED

Why don't you let that info sink in for a while while I go spend my time doing somthing more productive than listing to you talk about what fairies SHOULD look like.
OMG! So that means all the characters in that game are now artiscally incorrect!!
If a game bombed the character art must be of the lowest quality!!!
And seriously, google Fairy and tell me if any of those pictures has wings like yours.
EDIT: Ok, so now i have found a fairy with a wing style closet to yours (SURPRISE! It's based off an insect's)
http://www.faeryshop.com/images2-15/David_Delamare/open/the_story_fairy.jpg
And now look at that, and now look at yours. In a sec I'll have a drawing up explaining the difference.

Baggers
Jun 4, 2005, 05:10 PM
*Cant think of any real way to make Kaine Jackrabbi feel worse, so jumps up and down repeatedly on her head while screaming and eating kittens*

Odin
Jun 4, 2005, 07:56 PM
This looks like fun!

*repeatedly punches Kaine in the face*

http://i.somethingawful.com/86/gifs/kid-fight1.gif

Radium
Jun 4, 2005, 07:58 PM
Now kids, follow N00b and I's example and use hardcore logic to crush people's spirits, not petty attacks.

Odin
Jun 4, 2005, 08:10 PM
Not just petty attacks, but petty attacks with animated GIF images!

Fawriel
Jun 5, 2005, 03:04 AM
You guys are mean.

Stijn
Jun 5, 2005, 03:21 AM
/me schopt Odin and Baggers

Kaine Jackrabbi
Jun 5, 2005, 08:17 AM
Why do I feel like everone except Sers, Fawriel, and Odin hate me. Okay, I get it, my art stinks, but are the aimated gifs of me getting beaten to a pulp really nessar? Oh and FOR THE LAST TIME: FAIRIES ARE MYTHICAL CREATURES!! THERE IS NO FIXED STYLE OF DOING THEM!

Radium
Jun 5, 2005, 08:51 AM
Why do I feel like everone except Sers, Fawriel, and Odin hate me.
I never said I HATED you. I'm a critic. This is my job. I either help people improve or crush their spirits. It's their choice how to take it.

Oh and FOR THE LAST TIME: FAIRIES ARE MYTHICAL CREATURES!! THERE IS NO FIXED STYLE OF DOING THEM!
But think of the aerodynamics!

n00b
Jun 5, 2005, 09:00 AM
I never said I HATED you. I'm a critic. This is my job. I either help people improve or crush their spirits. It's their choice how to take it.[QUOTE]
And I just followed Rad's example since I believe he said:
[quote]Someone else continue.

And of course, now I'm just trying to crush your spirits, because I tried to be helpful and you replied with:
SONIC SHUFFLE BLOWED! AND BECAUSE THAT GAME BLOWED I'M NOW NOT TAKING OF YOUR ADVICE DESPITE THE FACT IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE HELPFUL!
Or at least that's the impression I got.
Oh, and I'm sorry to say but there is a rule that wings are wings, and therefore you cannot make up your own non-working wings and try to have your art taken seriously if it's not meant to be shoddy.

D4shRed
Jun 19, 2005, 07:23 AM
The wings on the Faerie are just flat, not special or anything. They're not detailed. The pictures the others posted are good examples for detail. The bodies of the others are waaaaaaaaaaay to thin, the feet are too small and you don't shade. It looks just flat. The hair is also way to big, and don't dare blame it on style because style should atleast be somewhat anatomically correct. If you had hair like that it would probably rip your head off. The arms are too small and too thin. The shading on the third pic is well... bad, it is too dark and too fat. You should zoom in and do it carefully. Determine a light source. The shoulders are WAAAAAY to... well, Ki doesn't even have shoulders...

http://www.howarddavidjohnson.com/light_source-1.jpg

http://www.howarddavidjohnson.com/light_source-2.jpg

Oh, and it is dumb of you to not accept crits because someone said he took a quick ref from Sonic Shuffle -.-. If you continue doing that, you will never get better. Don't defend yourself with "My faerie should be like that stupid loser!!!" but try and improve your flat wings on the pictures and get some detail in it.
Links to other faerie pics:

http://www.sjgames.com/wallpaper/img/faerie-1024.jpg
http://www.jalekro.nl/produkten/faerie%20poppets/elfjes.htm

But think of the aerodynamics!

... I quoted thee. :P

Edit: Okay, I removed the url thingie too. Here some more wing pics, they are a bit big though:

http://www.unitedmaskandparty.com/Halloween/images/water_color_fairy_wings.jpg
http://www.bumpinthenightproductions.com/newline2004/flywings.jpg
http://www.costumesinc.com/Costumes/images/60240-std.jpg

n00b
Jun 19, 2005, 11:18 AM
I'm pretty sure that's one of them.

Derby: URL removal. Directly linking to the image leads to the display of an inappropriate image.

MoonBlazE
Jun 20, 2005, 12:25 AM
I think your art is a good start. Just keep practicing and you'll become a lot better.

Kaine Jackrabbi
Jun 20, 2005, 11:56 AM
Thank you all, and now, 2 more pics:
http://www.sonicverseteam.com/fanart//displayimage.php?pos=-5596 (severly mutated ki)
http://www.sonicverseteam.com/fanart//displayimage.php?pos=-5802 (Don't ask, it just happend)

Edit: Fixed the link

n00b
Jun 20, 2005, 12:04 PM
Both links lead to the Chris chao which I think is a tad out of porportion, but a very good start nonetheless. On the shading, I would like to know the light source.

Fawriel
Jun 20, 2005, 12:12 PM
Hmmm, a pretty good start indeed. It looks pretty good. The only thing is that the arms and legs don't look right.. they look disjointed. Like they don't belong to the body, but are kind of floating in front of it.. see it?

EDIT: Uhm.. that was for the Chao thing.

Kaine Jackrabbi
Jun 20, 2005, 12:13 PM
Both links lead to the Chris chao which I think is a tad out of porportion, but a very good start nonetheless. On the shading, I would like to know the light source.
Overhead, slightly to the viewers left.

Hmmm, a pretty good start indeed. It looks pretty good. The only thing is that the arms and legs don't look right.. they look disjointed. Like they don't belong to the body, but are kind of floating in front of it.. see it?

EDIT: Uhm.. that was for the Chao thing.
Oops...

n00b
Jun 20, 2005, 12:35 PM
Hmm, well then it means you got the undershadows pretty much correct, but not the rest of the shading.
http://www.angelfire.com/games3/sonicdream/pics/chao.jpg
Study the chao's head, the shading of the head should be close to what you're looking for.