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On , ElectroPiZZa wrote:
STOP PUTTING DOWN NEWBIES! We were ALL once newbies. That's right, YOU. ME. That guy over there in the turtleneck. EVERYONE. Is it me, or does everyone seem to worship oldies? Just because they've been around for a few more years or so magically makes them a ruler of the community? We are JAZZERS. People. Humans. Lifeforms. Time does not make any difference. Sure, so they may have more experience with Jazz and gameplay, but so what? Everyday, I see people complaining about "newbies". New-bleeping-bies! "i haet neewbiez dey suk =(" is one example of the utterly pathetic lines. And yet, everyone seems to say "Heya, (insert oldie name here)! LONG TIME NO SEE!" in a gullible manner.
And I remember a few months ago, someone started a whole clan for OLDIES ONLY! Well dot my socks polka-dotted red and call me Ann! This is one of the most sickening things I've ever seen. Oldies only?! What kind of an idea is that? Oldies shmoldies! We are JAZZERS. We should be treated EQUALLY. Like normal HUMAN BEINGS. Also, people have been whining and saying "Am I considered an oldie?", when yet I always answer, "No, you are not an oldie. You are neither a newbie. You are a JAZZER." Then, which is even more moronically sickening is "I'm an oldie, therefore I'm better than you all!". Bah! I know you may be skipping this post, and I know you'll never read this or agree with this, but take into consideration of what I just said. It's an opinion, and more or less the truth. BAH! I need some water now. 
- Piz
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I don't think "newbies" are bad myself, but you ignore many points here in your rant against generalizing. Generalizing can be good, you know? It's nonsense that we should stop treating "oldbies" with more "hi " messages then "newbies", etc. Because "oldbies" are known. You know, when you see someone for the first time it is weird when you say "Hello X! LONG TIME NO SEE!", because you don't know him/her yet, right? Yep.
What I think is is that newbies is a term for people new to the game. Oldbies is a term for the more experienced people, that have found their way into the community. It's bad that newbies has been a term for bad-acting people, but it's good that players are associated with newbies. Because a community can't survive without a line between experienced people and inexperienced ones. Newbies simply aren't yet experienced with the game, the etiquette and the community. After they develop themselves they become normal players, the ones that run the community.
Can't you see that it is a good thing? Our entire society is based on the fact that someone joins a community, and the older, more experienced people help him, and after that he becomes a vast person in the community. It's nonsense that clans for oldbies only are bad. It are simply clans for experienced players. Like newbies like to talk with newbies, so they can help eachother become better, and can tell eachother the things they have experienced so they can become a normal player, accepted into the community, sooner.
It's not wrong that oldbies would also like to for example, have a chat group only for more experienced people. It gives them a chance to exchange memories, talk about the future of the community, and so on.
Denying the fact that this all is a good thing, is denying the community you live in, denying your own family. When you was a baby, were you considered grownup immediatly? Did they let you decide along with them about the household insurances, for example? No. You need time to become experienced. On the internet you just get experiences sooner, and it won't take 18 years.
That's why a line between newbies and oldbies is good. The line helps all groups grow and prosper, when used in a good way.
So.. I think you go a little far in your conclusions, electropizza. You talk about the perfect community, where, if someone joins, he immediatly has all memories and experience of the older participants.
Do not get me wrongly. I like newbies. They make this community great. But the only way to grow is to seperate all the groups, so that the newer people can be helped and the older people can be kept happy.
This is how life is.
*end of rant*
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