You do have a point there, Cobra. As my very close friend says, "True, true. It's all in the attitude, the rest is extraneous. You could wear all pink, listen to disco and still be gothic, so long as you had the attitude, it's just that most that have the attitude like black, like metal, as it fits their mood/personality."

I was speaking of modern gothic 'standards' should I say?

`Wildie