Probably never.

Hopefully soon.

What are we waiting for anyway? We could just start it now. There is no reason for it to be delayed, it's not like there is anybody we have to wait for to start. I doubt if Cobra or Gummi feel like they have to come up with the idea themselves. There is never going to be a complete agreement on what to do. I actually like Radium's idea. If nobody participates, it can be turned into a contest. This will have to be an experimental project, if we just keep arguing this will never start.