The difference between the spam that is posted in PATPAY and that of which we have posted is quite noticable. First of all, there are 10,000 messages in PATPAY. We have not posted 10,000 spam messages. In addition, the messages did carry a point, though they did not exactly express them clearly. Forum games are fine - in moderation. 10,000 posts is not moderation. Nor is it appropriate when people delete posts, push, and shove in order to achieve the 10,000th post - that is the worst sort of spam. Anyone is capable of expressing their opinions on constructive subjects, after all. The only difference between these spammy forum games and normal topics is that posting a lot, whether the content of the post is pertinent or not, is held in higher regard than the actual posting quality. When this occurs, the topics become troublesome and "competing" for numbers regarded as significant occurs. This further adds to the quantity of spam, and eventually it becomes acceptable to post in a frenzy with nonsensical content simply to reach these numbers while post quality is ignored. This is the problem. If PATPAY was not a "I'll race you for the 200th post" sort of topic, it would not be as much of a problem. Or at least I do not think it would be (or would have been, as the case may be).