Of course we care what you have to think or say Onag. :-)

And I *know* I couldn't have said it any better myself. J2C was the best Jazz site there was. J2O is the best site now. (though J2C would probably be a good archive, if I ever brought it online again.) Back when J2C was in its prime, nothing could compete. (in fact, we squished some sites that tried even.) But it hasn't been updated in years and therefore wouldn't be a good current resource anymore.

There were several reasons why it was shut down. First was that we (on more than one occasion) did have hosting problems with it. Our first host (frontiernet) only allowed 10 megs of space. Second host (mich.com) went under. And I believe the third host (actionxtreme.com) was bought out by gamespy or something like that. Anyway, we lost FTP access to the site, and couldn't contact anyone about it so we couldn't update it even if we wanted to, at the end. Then that, combined with all the flamewars at the JMMB towards the end caused both to be taken down at pretty much the same time. What good is an un-updated site with flamewar forums anyway? Not much, so it was closed. (actually, more like shut down. J2C wasn't updated, and the JMMB was closed. Our account was deleted shortly after that, and J2C hasn't been back up since)

There's also some stuff that bothers me about what the people said about the JMMB closing. And they are STILL spreading lies and half-truths to this day. Isn't that just sad?

Like the following: "I remember Dethman closed it down saying it was lacking in christian values and everybody should go home and read their bible..."

Dethman did believe that the JMMB was getting away from Christian values, but that's not why it was closed. And he said nothing about how everyone should go home and read their Bible. He also did not make the final call to close the JMMB, I did. I could have kept it open should I have chosen to do so. Dethman saw that we couldn't keep the JMMB moderated properly, and it was dragging down the moderators who did try to keep it running. And with J2C not being updated, he came to me and asked me if I would like to close the JMMB since it was getting out of hand. I agreed that it was and thought over the decision to close it. Eventually I decided that before there was no good left on the JMMB, that I would close it. I did it to stop the bleeding, if you will.

Yet people still continue to flame Dethman to this day over it even. Why though? It wasn't because of his decision that it closed. I guess it's because people like to point their finger at people they don't like and who have different ideas than themselves. People who like to say "Oh look, he's a Christian do-gooder. He took it down because we aren't Christians." when people completely miss the point that THEY SCREWED IT UP. Obviously I'm not talking about everyone here, there was still a lot of good people on the JMMB, but the bad eggs were causing too much trouble and were too hard to keep up with back in the day. But they seem to neglect that and would rather attack someone else's religion instead of looking to see where the deeper problem is.

As for why the JMMB started to go downhill... that was mostly because people didn't have time for it. I was in college and that had to come first before anything JMMB related, so over time my visits became less and less. It of course doesn't help when I'm the head guy there. The other admins who could visit every day were stretched to the limit. Ones like Cobra and Addie (if you read this, good job guys! err.. gals!) were doing all they could to keep up. From what I remember, Addie resigned because her school work demanded more of her time. And to Cobra, I believe her words were "It's just a job." (it was a long time ago, please correct me if I am wrong with this) So it was something that she did, but she didn't enjoy it. Good moderators were hard to find too. Everyone was begging to be a moderator, but you can't necessairly trust anyone who beggs for it. Just because someone is good at begging, it doesn't necessairly make them good at being a moderator. To top it off you had people like Slayer (sorry guy) who abused the system more than once. And people wondered why I didn't make him a moderator AFTER this fact. Go figure....

I guess I should stop now. This rant has gone on long enough. I just get defensive when people spread lies about the JMMB. Most of the people who complain, just like to complain with no background or justification for their complaints. So I'll end this by saying, give credit where credit is due. I closed the JMMB, so stop flaming Dethman. I'm the one who gave the final decision to close it. So if you flame someone, flame me instead.

Bring it on.