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Jun 2, 2003, 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by KRSplat
There is NO future in side scrollers. That is a dead genre... Jazz Jackrabbit 3 has got to be 3-dimensional. It does make it harder to design levels, but that means no crap levels from lazy designers...

  1. Why do people always think of side scrollers and 3D as mutually exclusive? 3D is a means of displaying graphics, not a genre. Any game (even tetris) can be done in 3D.
  2. Side scrollers are dormant. There is no such thing as a dead genre.
  3. Unfortunately, there will likely be multitudes more 'crap levels' (i.e. more bugs and less creativity) because of the difficulty of working in 3D.


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Originally posted by KRSplat
Futhermore, it is going to be a shooter. People don't buy chess video games, and Jazz Jackrabbit has never been anything but a shooter. We can't change that. Shooters make money. All of the money. We say Unreal killed Jazz Jackrabbit. The only way to revive Jazz is to make it current, and currently, the popular games are those games. "If you can't beat em, join em." Of course, it would have to have little blood and gore, because Jazz is a children's game. You have green bunnies hopping around eating carrots. Not many adults are going to buy that, so it has to appeal to kids.
I agree. Jazz is a shooter, and straying from that would be a mistake. However, I disagree with basically everything else. Chess is a bad example, as it's a fairly simple game, and there are too many freeware or shareware versions available for anyone to have a need to buy it. But people who like puzzle games do in fact buy puzzle games.

Unreal didn't kill Jazz because it was a better game. Epic dropped the ball with Jazz because Unreal was easy money. Jazz2 failed because of poor marketing, not because it wasn't up to par. It was groundbreaking, and as far as I know, is still #1 in the genre.

You're right about it not being able to contain much violence. I would take it a step further to say that it can't contain any blood or gore. As you said, Jazz is marketed toward children. Children don't buy video games; their parents do. Parents don't like blood.

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Originally posted by KRSplat
I had my first dose of first-person shooter a week ago in Time Splitter 2. I love it. So does everybody else. It would be great if we could have "camera" options so players would be allowed to decide in-game where they want to see the action from... I'm not sure if many other games let you switch from first person to third and vice versa, so we might have a bit of an edge there.

  1. Everybody doesn't love first person shooters. The majority of gamers targeted by current marketing trends are, yes. That includes a vast minority of potential gamers, which includes everyone who owns or has access to a computer or console. If all the gaming market has to offer is first person shooters, of course only first person shooter fans will be involved in gaming. This is an industry-wide mental block.
  2. I very much enjoy first person shooters. And real time strategy games. And puzzle games. And side scrollers. And action/adventure games. That's why we still have so many kinds of food available in the world; different people have different tastes.
  3. The ability to choose your perspective is actually not a new idea. The reason it hasn't been successfully pulled off is because when you're making a first person game, you design levels for the first person perspective. When you make a third person game, you design levels for the third person perspective. Giving the player the ability to choose between these would take away from what the level designer intended. For the most part, perspectives are not interchangeable. I definitely think the game should support multiple perspectives, but not necessarily the option to choose between them.


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Originally posted by KRSplat
Jazz 3 must be released on the console. No doubt about it. Console gaming is way more popular than PC gaming. But it also must be released on the PC.
Yes. Side scroller or not, Jazz could definitely benefit from a console release. I don't know the details of console popularity or specs, so I don't have any arguments here, but I would think the GameCube would be the most strategic release because of its appeal to younger gamers.

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That said, I think that any future Jazz games should be 3D/third person shooters. While there is plenty left to explore in side scrollers in general, I think Jazz is ready to make the jump.

I would like to see a Jazz2 addon/expansion, providing the ability to create/customize playing modes, and several other features, But I don't think these things would constitute a new game.

-Nag