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Originally Posted by Marine1969
(-)(-)(-)(-) you and (-)(-)(-)(-) your wierd stupid page claiming rule, if you claim the page, then what? You feel smug?
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Yes, basically you just feel smug. I didn't make the page claiming thing. It just kinda... happened.
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And Jesus didn't die on the cross, they had these large wooden pole type things there to nail people to, crosses would be to expensive to make just for criminals, and there is no heaven and hell as seperate locations, I'll explain.
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I don't see why you are even arguing about Jesus dying on a cross. The fact is that he was crucified and that he rose again. The medium on which they crucified Him is just the means. All English translations of the Bible and commentaries that I have read say cross or tree, anyway.
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After armageddon, people will be bought back to life over a period of time and judged, the bad people will die again and the good people will be given everlasting life on earth, which will be heaven with only the good people around and such.
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Scripture reference, please. I know of no scripture that says this. Here is a scripture that says the opposite. In context, Jesus is speaking of those who are Christians versus those who say they are Christians.
"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Mt 7:21, NKJV
In this verse, Jesus says there is a heaven, and only those who do the will of God get in.
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It can eb proved that you don't go to a different place when you die by that part in the bible when Jesus' buddy died, and Jesus was all like "dude, no, my buddy, he's dead" and they were like "yeah, it was like 3 days ago" and he was like "(-)(-)(-)(-) this, I'm bringing him back to life" but they said he'd be all decomposed, but he bought him back to life and he was fine, but he didn't say "I went to heaven and such dudes, it was awesome" because he didn't actually go anywhere, if he had, jesus wouldn't have bought him back because it's not a very good thing to do to bring him back from heaven, that's just mean.
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Hrm... Nice paraphrase. :) One point you missed that is slightly important: He was dead 4 days. The story is found in John 11:1-54. If you read this chapter, nothing is recorded of what Lazarus said. So, there is a lot of speculation as to what happened. Three most basic options as to what could have gone on:
1. He died, went to heaven, and then came back and missed heaven. It doesn't say that he didn't miss heaven. Jesus brought him back for a reason.
2. He died, went to heaven, and then God told him that he was going to be an example of Jesus's power, written up in a book and saved for all eternity, and Lazarus was fine going back to his old body for the glory of God.
3. He died, and went to Abraham's Bosom. Abraham's Bosom was a place that was referred to in the Old Testament (first half of the Bible) as a holding place for those who followed God's rules with all their heart, but before the Messiah(Jesus) came. No one is let into Heaven if they have ever sinned. The only way for this to change is if you admit to Christ(Jesus) that you have sinned, and accept the gift He gave you at the cross. The gift: cleansing of all your sin, which lets you go to heaven.
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I learnt some things about the bible from my best friend Mike, who was hit by a priest one time who said he was "evil kindred"
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I know you will not find someone unbiased about Christianity, but at least find two people with opposing biases, so you get both sides of the story. I'd talk to those people you know who wear crosses around their necks and T-shirts with Christian messages.
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So what do you ahve to say to that, nobody.
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The preceding text is my answer.
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I'm not being mean or anything I just find the whole page claim thing to be pointless.
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So do I, I was just cluing you in to the tradition of the JCF before someone else ran in here and yelled "PAGE CLAME LOL OMB" and you wondered "WTHeck is going on?"
If you have any more questions, I don't have all the answers, but I know the One who does.
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The bunny ears should look cool, by the way.