no duh no one joins A$... er... well, i would say i didn't build the clan site, but then ryu would bug me again... oops... too late ya, u and DL are like oldie clanz that are still somewat thriving(if only i took JPL farther...), of course, most of us(including me) are just a buncha old farts now who can't really play good as we used too... AH! there went my back! Nurse!!!