omg man u are so naif , this orvbitz appolochie isnt good enough , why cause maybe he faked tha spazz and faked his ip but one thing for orbitz what i am telling u know , people that crash even noobs or oldies should get banned why causeit can make jj2 a funner place to play, only Foffed thing is spazzyman with his ASD screwing things up, able to crash server while ur serverlist banned , well nimmy there is an easier way to do it remember we accidently had the Mirc bot thing when ips could be shown of servers , i can say i dont use a mirc bot anymore and no gip scripts but , There are programs that u can download internet sites to show them offline downloads all on the site what if he gotten the Gip script of j2o with such a proggie, haxed his way in the gipscript of the site , so he can see the ips of servers, join the servers by ip , and crash them , i mean that would be the way to get server ips , get a gip script make some modifies and get ips , that would be sucky alot